/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16589925]

Any books on the future of religion? And im not just talking about demographics, but im also talking about the possible emergence of new religions and culture and civilization progresses, or how religious psychology could be harnessed for other goals (similar to how fascism and communism became religions).
Only one i know who wrote about it are Spengler and Hoffer.

[Anonymous No.16589940]

That’s literally anyone’s guess.

That being said, I do believe that one day, a religion will emerge in America that will worship BBC. I also believe they will paint the Washington Monument black and will bow down to it like the muslims bow down to the Kaaba

[Anonymous No.16589958]

>>16589925
Second religiousness is coming

[Anonymous No.16590054]

>>16589958
This is from Spengler, right?

[Anonymous No.16590088]

>>16590054
yes

[Anonymous No.16590128]

>>16589958
bring it on

[Anonymous No.16590196]

>>16589958
They’re saying your name, go on stage! Go! Hegel, GO!

[Anonymous No.16590233]

>>16589925
Not a book but here's a lecture:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=IYEyv5a_3LM

[Anonymous No.16590240]

>>16589925
I think islam will be much more of a thing. I hope the amish grow. I hope there is a revival of an ascetic gospel based collectivism where people sell all their goods and live in communes. I feel like the culture is ripe for it.

[Anonymous No.16590255]

>>16589925
we need handsome charismatic chads to make religion fashionable again

[Anonymous No.16590326]

>>16590255
Hylics can't do it. We need martyrs basically. Its our responsibility as individuals.

[Anonymous No.16590382]

>>16590326
You’re right, people tend be love a taliban of religious zealots

[Anonymous No.16590409]

>>16589958
It is already here.

[Anonymous No.16590420]

>>16590409

[Anonymous No.16590530]

>>16589925

[Anonymous No.16590535]

>>16590530
Damn that seems like it fits right on this topic.
How is it?

[Anonymous No.16590554]

>>16590409
> the megaphone
> the amount of smartphones recording it
> the person in uniform gently assisting their posture.

[Anonymous No.16590575]

>>16590530
Terrible book.

[Anonymous No.16590577]

>>16589925
You'd have to find out what is the nature of new religions in liberalism then find out what the analytic process is in terms of progress within it.
Obviously protestantism was part of structures capable of forming then but now I think religion is just similarly meant to rely on "what feels right". This has been a trait in all new religions in liberal cultures. I think the ones that are most successful solve what is most needed to be answered or most confirming. There is that marriage cult that spread from Japan which responded to neet shit but I think it dies out quickly as liberal culture just accepts. So a religion in a liberal culture is always a band aid to be put on then discarded to make it look like religion isn't needed per liberalism.

[Anonymous No.16590621]

>>16590575
~t. Hasn't Read It

[Anonymous No.16590703]

>>16590577
You've got an interesting idea, I think a liberal religion could accomplish your imperative to be constantly shifting by its use of language.
I know it's topical but just look at that senator and Merriam webster deciding that preference is now an offensive term.
If you keep the language (or some necessary component of the religion) subject to change at any time and if you follow through on that threat and constantly change it. People have no choice but to follow what you say.
They're using and perverting the Mormon principle of revelation that's been used to reform the Mormon faith.
This way it always acts as the band-aid but it has a consistent power structure

[Anonymous No.16590865]

>>16590621
>>16590530
>let's make neoliberalism a religion
No need to read garbage.

[Anonymous No.16590945]

>>16590409
What's happening here?

[Anonymous No.16590990]

>>16589925
The future of the USA is Manichaean antiracism (with prophet Ibram X Kendi) vs Mormonism. Amish don't participate in politics and all the other forms of Christianity are dying out.

[Anonymous No.16590996]

>>16590530
>>16590621
>>16590865
>>let's make neoliberalism a religion
>Unger's call is for a revolution in our religious beliefs that encompasses both individual transformation and institutional reorganization; to create change in the life of the individual as well as in the organization of society. The first part of the program of individual transformation means waking from the dazed state in which we live our lives, and recognizing our mortality and groundlessness without turning to the feel good theologies and philosophies. The second part of the program of social transformation means supplementing the metaphysical revolution with institutional practices by creating social institutions that allow us to constantly overthrow our constraints and our context, and to make this overthrow not a one time event but a continuing process. This is the program of empowered democracy that calls for reforms in the market economy, education, politics, and civil society. "The goal is not to humanize society but to divinize humanity." It is "to raise ordinary life to a higher level of intensity and capability."
Yikes

[Anonymous No.16591004]

>>16590996
holy kek

[Anonymous No.16591006]

>>16590990
Why couldn't you guys give us Manichean Racism instead? What a disappointment.

[Anonymous No.16591010]

>>16590996
These people basically have to admit that a religious desire will always persist and that liberalism alone cannot fulfill all of man's needs, yet they cannot admit that any true religion will be illiberal.

[Anonymous No.16591063]

>>16591006
There will be some people who will openly join the "racist" side of the Manichaean dialectic because a white person can never truly be on the antiracist side the way a black or brown person can be. They can, at best, be an ally to the cause. The only way they can prove true redemption from whiteness is by martyring themselves. Basically an apocalypse cult for white urban liberals.

[Anonymous No.16591302]

>>16590996
This is just trotskism 2.0: zioni-bolshoi-hypoliberalism.
>>16590945
Whole lot of retardation and idotic guilt virtue signalling.
>>16591063
Niggnosticism?

[Anonymous No.16591305]

>>16590409
What place in the world would be as far away from this kind of shit as humanly possible? Asking for a friend.

[Anonymous No.16591326]

>>16590865
It's not neoliberal, you don't even know what that word means you idiot.

[Anonymous No.16591345]

>>16591305

Russia I guess

[Anonymous No.16591347]

>>16590577
Liberalism will fail as peoples ideas become more fractious and polarized. Democracy is already falling apart, and when the political rent seeking reaches a critical mass "live and let live" will die on the same altar

[Anonymous No.16591348]

I think there is something interesting to be said regarding the 'Americanization' of religions- namely the reduction of faith to a consumer choice and various attempts at spirituality in a necessarily atomizing economic and social order.

Mormonism sort of exemplifies this for Christianity- as the faith adapted to accommodate the endless frontier of the American West. You can see a sort of similar trend in the rise of Evangelical megachurches recently (not to say Mormons and Evangelicals are identical, simply that they both are the result of Americans reconciling contradictions in their faith and their social order). Frankly I would love a book rec on this subject. I once met a professor on a train who was writing a paper on church-business fusion in the American South. The ways in which people's basic interactions with the church shift is very interesting. Also, see the recent NYT article about corporate spirituality consultants(!)

This process is happening with Buddhism as well I believe. McMindfulness by Purser is a good book on the 'Califonization' of Buddhist practice.

Interesting points about the recent critical race theory wave taking on religious aspects in this thread. Thinking of it as another Great Awakening of sorts is interesting.

It's a little more fringe, but I absolutely think that Qanon exhibits some extremely religious tendencies. It certainly is a faith suited for our times.

[Anonymous No.16591370]

>>16590703
Yeah that's a good point. I think overall a religion provides answers, or attempts to, and the structure that provides a framework for our problems is the basis of the religion's first struggles. Christianity can give us a narrative about creation, ethics etc but in a liberal culture, do we really need a religion which covers those or do we need to know how to operate in capitalism and perversity? At the very least it could explain why protestantism became so watered-down, atheistic and maniacally "pro-love" without any substance. There's just not a lot Christianity can offer a liberal society without supplanting it, while "western buddhism" doesn't contradict liberalism enough in what they import.

>>16591347
Yeah I agree. Christianity offers so much but the whole "power structure" doesn't operate on Christian fundamentals so Christianity isn't a good religion in it.

[Anonymous No.16591391]

>>16591348
Yeah that is a good point. I find it kind of funny that sexuality is considered progressive if it's genetic (orientation) and conservative if it's environmental (preference). Also the banning of drinking 100 years ago works within the banning of language. This did start a huge religious awakening so I'm not sure if that's the case today.
I argue every ideology that is complex enough has a creation narrative (like scientism has the big bang etc) so I wonder what this creation narrative would be for these new ideas.

[Anonymous No.16591406]

>>16591348
A lot of the anabaptists thought that the second coming was right around the corner, where Christ would come and smite the wicked and establish his eternal kingdom. We see this string of thought live on in the politcal arena.

Q shit is one such example, where it paints it as inevitable that trump will drain the swamp, butcher the satanic pedophile elite, and usher in another American century.

For the leftists they have a technologist marxists bent, where the #resistance will succeed, the koch's brother types will hang, and FINALLY we will have an economy that "works for people" and everyone will have free cookies forever. Robots will fill our every need and we'll finally be free to play videogames and paint watercolors all day. And naturally that perennial evil of WhiteRacismTM will be stamped out, and we will all homogenize into one raceless caramel orgy.

[Anonymous No.16591423]

When the fuck are we gonna get a science based religion like in scifi?

[Anonymous No.16591440]

>>16589940
I dont what so holy about the brit news channel

[Anonymous No.16591451]

>>16591406
To me any millenarian movements are always based on fantacism because their religion doesn't have an answer

[Anonymous No.16591454]

>>16591391
>this creation narrative would be for these new ideas
The woke creation story is the birth of Whiteness and white supremacy in 1619 a well as indigenous turtle island narratives.

[Anonymous No.16591459]

>>16591423
They can't exist. Science can't tell you what to worship, it just says x happens when y does (or what neurons are activated when you worship a religion)

[Anonymous No.16591462]

>>16591440
The BBC used to be really popular in the USA back when Doctor Who was big.

[Anonymous No.16591471]

>>16591454
I wouldn't worry about that. You are only against what you can't control and that whole race liberalism crap is easy to argue against. It's just rewarded so it seems like it's winning or is right.

[Anonymous No.16591480]

>>16589925
>religious psychology

Ideology

[Anonymous No.16591487]

>>16591370
I think we might also see a resurrection of Christian orthodoxy, I mean both eastern and SPXX varietals. Tradcath is already a big meme on Twitter, people are hungry for sacraments, and the evils of Christs day are the same we see today. I cant think of religious texts that swing harder towards the loss of morality than the gospels and the prophets. People are utterly sick of endless plastic garbage, and want altars made by the carpenter's hand, and churches built by the mason's. Just look at how many views blacksmiths and shit get on YouTube.

If the Christians were smart they could swing this quite well

[Anonymous No.16591504]

>>16591487
*SSPX varietals excuse me

[Anonymous No.16591537]

>>16591487
I think until liberalism finds a religion which expressly solves the world and problems as liberals see it, it will inherently be soulless (and w a rising of mental illness). This being said, the world doesn't operate fully in a liberal framework. Liberalism is incomplete in a logical sense, and the only way to go past it is to help liberalism develop in realistic terms which leads to a broadening of the world and fundamentalization of the problems which leads to God inevitably.

[Anonymous No.16591572]

>>16591406
I broadly agree with your point. Millenarianism is a fascinating concept, and I would be curious to see some research on the similarities and differences on its various manifestations throughout the years. I would wager one big difference today is rampant consumerism and consumption. Trump is more or less a Mahdi figure to Q people- but in my personal experience the way the devotees show it is purely through media consumption and purchasing decisions.

I think you're being a little sloppy in your diagnoses of the left- lumping together some very very different tendencies and sorts of people. Very broadly, I think many mainstream liberals dont have quite the apocalyptical tendency because they are more entrenched in the sorts of business, academic and media positions that dont encourage that sort of thinking. Instead, you get a sort of slavish dedication to norms, 'compromise,' and a regulation of desire (Dems are the super ego to the GOP's id).

Hyper-woke race theory people come at it from a different angle- for some minorities (particularly well off ones like Kendi or Coates or the 1619 lady) I do believe a constant focus on attacking white privilege and racial hierarchy is the manifestation of a larger struggle with an uncomfortable alienation as well as narrowing employment prospects. For white devotees, I think privilege works as sort of an uncleanable 'original sin' to be eternally struggled against. I dont think they believe it (white racism) will ever end- but rather serve as a tool to separate the holy from the wretched and excuse internal racist thoughts until the end of time.

As for Fully Automated Luxury Communism types- well they're just lazy.

[Anonymous No.16591574]

>>16589925
Bullshit graph, that assumes natural population growth and the religion staying strong as it currently are. Whats gonna happen instead is theres gonna be more and more mexicans and its gonna be more catholic, especially as the mexicans start reproducing more. And if the US collapses or ceases to be the world hegemon its gonna be even worse for them.

[Anonymous No.16591589]

>>16591370
>>16591487
I for one, hope that Gnosticism emerges into the consciousness of the average Christian

[Anonymous No.16591611]

>>16591574
More broadly as religions diffuse into American society they lose the cohesion and solidarity that makes them powerful forces. Most third generation Mexican immigrants are much less stringent in their faith than their grandparents or fresh over the border migrants.

[Anonymous No.16591817]

>>16591305
Afghanistan or Sahelian Africa

[Anonymous No.16592174]

>>16591572
The UBI types and the 1619 types have become some of the only voices in the room during this post Facebook era. I come from a town that was in national headlines recently and the views I described are by no means obscure.
Maybe the wine moms in Vermont are still into LBJ type policy, but their kids have pretty much universally moved onto more radical positions.

If anything I see liberals as the more paranoid of the two groups, if only because Trump acts as a messiah for Qboomers. The WaPo's tagline for the last 4 years has been "democracy dies in darkness"

[Anonymous No.16592194]

>>16591487
>>16591589
I think this is possible but it depends on people who are actually in the know and willing and dedicated to their cause to become martyrs for it. I perceive the potential for a new radical ascetic (quasi)gnostic/neoplatonic slant of Christianity that would be in a sense bare bones yet rigidly initiatic with the sacraments. A sort of "return to early days", didache based evangelism of poverty and apocalyptism. At least I hope.
>>16591537
I feel like because liberalism evolved out of Christianity in some senses it will always be its natural home and that as long as the economic aspect of modern consciousness is allowed to take precedence over the sphere of conscience Christianity will continue to be at the behest of capital. Like i said it seems to me to depend on you typical Christian realising and acting upon their belief that this life is fleeting, we are sojourners here but for a short while and its ultimately the state of your soul that counts, i.e. its up to the average Christian to step up and emulate Jesus or let the world slide further into chaos.

I honestly think orthodoxy could have a revival but if its gonna be catholicism it needs to get its shit straightened out and find a more healthy balance between soft, low church progressivism and high church conservativsm with a more rigid ethical direction.

[Anonymous No.16592235]

>>16591537
people are ecstatic (in the biblical sense) over progressive politics already. When you tell them they've replaced god with the democratic party at a small get together they get pretty mad tho.

[Anonymous No.16592246]

>>16591305
Russia or China

[Anonymous No.16592257]

>>16591574
Might be true for Mormons but not for Amish, whose Luddite lifestyles render them immune to the decrease in birth rate that comes with an increase in wealth and material benefits.

[Anonymous No.16592259]

>>16592194
>liberalism evolved out of Christianity

Macintyre has created an entire career saying that is absolutely positively not true. Liberalism evolved out of the failed attempt by humanism to create a rational underpinning for morality, which lead from Hume to Kant to Kierkegaard and finally to Hegel-Marx. The Christian world have around a 1000 years of unitary moral structure that was not "liberal" in the sense of each person have their own personal "beeeee yourself" teleology

[Anonymous No.16592316]

>>16590409
>>16590420
This. Blacks are deities who walk the Earth to leftists.
https://counter-currents.com/2020/06/blacks-are-americas-gods/

[Anonymous No.16592336]

>>16592174
I guess I still think that the largest chunk of the Dem electorate is older liberals whose politics are a sort of constellation of vague good feelings about Michelle Obama, #Resisting, and maybe some flavor of the month Dem climber like Beto or Pete. Theyll happily attach themselves to the progressive cause of the week, but dont confuse that with actual radical positions. Remember, at the end of the day, Biden won the primary. Not Bernie, who had the general endorsement of self identifying leftists, and certainly none of the candidates who ran on identity politics stuff.

I absolutely agree that your generic liberal- especially the particularly 'politically active' (ie watches MSNBC, reads NYT, Biden Harris sign out front) may well be just as manic if not more so than a Trump diehard. However, this manifests as an obsession with upholding political norms, longing for 'reasonable republicans,' and generally trying to come across as the pragmatic political grown up. This mindset is of course chock full of its own hypocrisies and promotes all sorts of hysteria- but I think its still a little different from full blown Trump people. IN this thread, the Q people are the ones worth discussing because out of all the American political landscape their particular psychosis is the one that most resembles a religious faith IMO

[Anonymous No.16592354]

>>16591305
Poland, Hungary, Russia, anywhere in the Middle East.

[Anonymous No.16592400]

>>16592246
Oh buddy if you think the Chinese dont do whacky stuff like this...

>>16592316
Interesting take but oversimplified IMO. Youll find I think very little actual transfer of wealth or power to black people in the wake of all this. Guarantee all the people kneeling or whatever in those linked videos are in it more for some sort of guilt sublimation/reaffirmation of moral status as opposed to a genuine belief in 'black superiority' or whatever. If you dont mind Zizek, this is worth watching. I think its a good diagnoses of that sort of white rich liberal mindset:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=472lCEy4dBw

[Anonymous No.16592413]

>>16589925
imo we are in transitional period between religion and science and in the end the religious will exterminate eachother leaving the scientist and intellects to continue to innovate

[Anonymous No.16592414]

>>16592316
This is a honeypot for perverse creatures. The whole staff was in interracial sex slavery. What they're saying doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.16593357]

>>16591487
They're more concerned with converting certain other groups

[Anonymous No.16593690]

>>16593357
such as?

[Anonymous No.16593705]

>>16592400
>Interesting take but oversimplified IMO. Youll find I think very little actual transfer of wealth or power to black people in the wake of all this. Guarantee all the people kneeling or whatever in those linked videos are in it more for some sort of guilt sublimation/reaffirmation of moral status as opposed to a genuine belief in 'black superiority' or whatever. If you dont mind Zizek, this is worth watching. I think its a good diagnoses of that sort of white rich liberal mindset:
All mainstream race-relations discourse in the US assumes that blacks (it's really only about blacks) are children, the disagreement is just over how old we are to take the child to be, mentally speaking, and whose fault it is that the child doesn't seem to be developing properly. Since we're all equal in theory, within American metaphysics, various brown peoples and especially Africans are supposed to be able to developed into Informed Participants in Are Democracy with a bit of loving car from the American Schoolmarm-State, which proves the salvific and universal nature of Our Democracy. But it doesn't seem to work that way, so someone must be blamed. This is why as Zizek notes the particularities of these various peoples is affirmed while something like German identity is negated - nonwhites are still seen as being in a tutelary stage, so it wouldn't be very nice to correct them harshly. They're only children, after all! Above all the child must be protected from the delinquent young man (normie "white people") who would ruin their development and potentially hurt their feelings.

[Anonymous No.16593727]

>>16592400
That's the great hypocrisy of liberal types. Even if they want to spread the wealth enjoyed by the consumer class, they have absolutely no regard for the 3rd world labor that makes it possible.

[Anonymous No.16593755]

The dominant religious life of any given culture is not recognized by it's practitioners as religion. It consists of those unconscious beliefs assumed as being self evident. Only when those become questionable and start to deteriorate in the culture, they become categorized as religious. But as long as they remain lively parts of the culture, they are unnoticed in the fabric of experienced reality, as in ideology *sniff*

[Anonymous No.16593761]

>>16591423
It has already existed since the renaissance

[Anonymous No.16593768]

>>16593755
only uncontacted tribes have truly living culture then

[Anonymous No.16593781]

>>16593768
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.16593805]

>>16593781
any group that's not completely isolated will be aware that other groups have different usages and beliefs.

[Anonymous No.16593840]

>>16593805
Yes, and those other groups are demon possessed, infidels, sinners, authoritarian, patriarchal, whatever. That is, they are somehow twisted, and our beliefs and values are right.

[Anonymous No.16593851]

>>16591487
I for one welcome the riddance of Catholicism in America. This country was founded and built by Puritans, thank you very much.

[Anonymous No.16593861]

>>16590240
the Amish are so fucking based

[Anonymous No.16593869]

Science is a religion

[Anonymous No.16593907]

You aren't going to see any new religions pop up, they immediately get reclassified as a cult and eventually shut down; there's a entire anti-cult industrial complex that's worth billions.

[Anonymous No.16594051]

>>16593907
A real religion cant really be shut down through oppression. Look at Christianity.

[Anonymous No.16594083]

>>16590326
Yeah I thought the guy before was talking about how the Protestants basically turned The Bible into a young adult novel and mass into a pop-punk concert. Instead of having a form of religion that is adapted to modernity, we need a new generation of "chads" who preach a radical rejection of modernity and true devotion to God.

[Anonymous No.16594148]

>>16592413
More like the other way around. The scientists hook themselves up to dopamine generators and raise furbabies. Meanwhile, the religious have big families.

[Anonymous No.16594159]

>>16594148
Freudian slip that he separated scientists and intellects

[Anonymous No.16594172]

>>16592246
China and Russia are FULL of wacky cults. Their state media doesn't give them any attention, but they're all over the place.

[Anonymous No.16594237]

>>16594051
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.16594322]

>>16594051
>a real religion
>christianity

[Anonymous No.16594331]

>>16594172
I’ve heard about this. Know any articles/videos I can check out on this topic?

[Anonymous No.16594606]

>>16591459
Religions can be manufactured out of any content

[Anonymous No.16594638]

>>16594172
I believe this just based on how many internet famous chinese and russian cannibals I've heard of

[Anonymous No.16594820]

"In our hands, mythical return has only dialectical meaning; one refers to myth to compare: to show what has been possible. On the other hand, the figure proves itself. Man cedes his freedom to unknown powers. To name them is the real risk of our time."

There are a number of dangers in attempting a return to religion. The first is something like a paradox of technical thought - strangely the wider the path that our knowledge begins to take the more it becomes focused on a single object. It opposes the very essence of truth while at the same time setting up rigid standards for the perfection of truth as a process of experience, of something to be sought through the abstraction of laws. We see this in the separation of powers which become focused, as if with a Cyclopean eye, on single-issues. Intellectual fields have become the same in their methods, with the focus on divided fields of philosophy and the groundbreaking single-concept which is also, at the same time, a 'theory of everything'. Where myth still exists it is psychologized, a secondary type of euhemerism in which the psyche has cultivated the whole of nature. All of the technical aspects of the myth are there, repeated as if an echo, but with none of the force, and divided from the whole of the work.In the very best works the efforts of archetypal psychology can only turn the already existing works into minor fragments. The myth only returns to us as a curse, of something falsely heard and returning us to our doom.

By contrast, one can look to the myths to find multiplicity at its absolute limit, where the One is distributed throughout all things without being diminished. Modern thought tends towards a complete multiplicity without law, attempting to lend the mundane qualities of a sacred order, the greatest example being economic theories elevated to monotheism. In reading Ovid one may struggle to understand why a simple tale of women weaving still holds such great power, in it is the totality of the law which is undiminished and elevates all things to the highest character.

The effect of the intellectual catastrophe is worsened in that our language is almost entirely devoid of the mythic form. The forms run apart, or perhaps they are not even of the same river. Where the mythic insight forms in our time it almost always turns to ruin immediately. We are not born of divine waters. This becomes clear when one sees that the myths which are closest to us, those which could be transposed onto our time as law without changing anything but the gravity of character, tend to be the most misunderstood. Modern man even tends to fight against their form, as with Narcissus or Midas. To speak in the language of myth is to be ignored, one is treated as a ghost. Psychologized myth remains acceptable because it is a technical application, the myth is deprived of its divine qualities - the archetype is mapped onto the leviathan or the leviathan is mapped onto the archetype.

[Anonymous No.16594829]

>>16594820
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In either case nothing outside of it may be seen.

Even the myths of our time never took hold, although known they are given an ephemeral quality. This speaks to our power of resistance to the mythic vision, even to the laws of being and becoming. The divine laws of our age were written down by figures like Goethe and Holderlin, they came as close to ancient laws as anyone could, but the significance seems to have escaped us, even the traditionalists and those holding onto a religious path tend towards historicised time and the rites of an organizational corpse. A recapitulation of all failed orders which laid the ground for the modern figure. However, this also indicates the truth of what Goethe had said, our age occurs after the divine order, after the end of aged and where even the laws of eschatology no longer apply. Those in the middle of a parted ocean do not see the limits of its power, one in the midst of the bloodiest line may never know who Diomedes wounded. Atheism and misotheism are but religious forms before divine laws too strong to acknowledge - blindness before the transition into the absolute violence of law. The great reordering of dominion and the elemental forces from which our limbs and senses grow.

This highlights the great difficulty and danger of religious thought in our time. Not only does one have to return to a way of thinking that is almost entirely lost, it also becomes necessary to rewrite the myths, to see what gods rule over the age. This is what the Romans did so well, and our own attempt must reconcile with the loss of autochthonous forces, without resorting to exodus or the decadence of searching out the last mysteries. The great law of divine violence must proceed undiminished for those living in an Unknown Age of the Unknown God. We wait for an Odysseus but the tendency is towards a formalistic and historicised theology which buries the formative religion before it can even begin. Technical and dogmatic thinking discourage the very imagination vital to a mythic place in the world, and even the poetic has been enslaved to nihilism, the era of transition, men formed against their very character.

[Anonymous No.16594837]

>>16594829
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Strangely, we find ourselves in a situation of mythic power, like Zeus at the limits of his dominion, imprisoning any sign of the future's return before it can take hold. The oath against all oaths. But our means of seeing the world is not equal to its proximity. Despite all conclusions of critique, of moralising the decline, there is devastating power before us, to which no past age can even be considered as an equal. All of the questions of being neglect that we find ourselves on immortal ground, we are of its laws - Tantalus figures who have escaped their curse or simply do not recognise it. In either case we are now of immortal laws and any question of the death of gods is a decadent conservatism - of those who had forgotten the highest laws to which the gods themselves are subject.

In Homer a proximity to the gods capable of defeating its own hubris, and in Pindar a distance which is just as powerful. We are of a middle territory and yet perceive ourselves as both closer and more distant - the perception of space leading to our laws of state. Or state lawlessness, the severed gordian knot woven into a new puzzle by Arachne figures. Our age is overburdened with devastation, meaning, and even joyous events, so it may be that the answer lies in our position, of our perspective - not in the sense of existentialism, psychology, nor abandonment into the historical moment, but as beings receptive to the violence of the highest laws. Paradoxically, it is those who deny this who also deepen the technique of criticism rather than turning to imaginative forms, myth, the violence of the old adventures and struggles. Even those who resist another failure of conservatism see themselves as artifacts for the museums, as part of the clown show.

And yet the laws remain, despite all efforts to deny them and build up opposing forces. Vengeance only increases in force, just as vice is the currency of virtue. We are witnessing mundane laws being swept aside by the day, the great threat of the return of mortality, to be one with the elements. A burden lifted from us as we were never equal to the gods, but the striving for it elevates our religions to the violence of the law. This is where the whole of time opens up to us again, where one sees the center of the universe descending from the horizon, even as the proximity of all that we confront blinds us. Even at the worst point of the battle one must have faith that a deep wound will be cut, that no matter where we find ourselves the skies will open up at least one last time. We are left with nothing but faith, a moral will towards natural law which the romantics themselves could not endure - but this is the last place for the numinous to reveal itself before returning as the utmost law. In forests, in the night, in dark rooms, the forgotten places, and side streets descending into the underworld.

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>>16589958
Second Religiousness is already here. Progressivism is doing exactly what Christianity did in the late Roman Empire

[Anonymous No.16594869]

I think a sort of death cult/religion will build around anitnatalism to combat overpopulation

[Anonymous No.16595247]

>>16592259
Brah. There would never have been a humanism if it wasn't for Christianity- particularly its breakdown. That that person could form a career out of that idea is just a testament to the historical retardation of modernity.

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>>16594331
Look up "vice russian thinks hes jesus"
>>16594237
Real religions that inspire devotion produce martyrs which strengthen the faith.
>>16594850
True. Socialists revolutionaries are basically millenarians in this sense. Actually it reminds me of that Chimpsky vid where he says that Marxism belongs in the category of organised religion. Basically psycho-afro-trotskyoidism.

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>>16590088
Which book ?

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bump

[Anonymous No.16596719]

>>16589925
>emergence of new religions
Unironically brand allegiance as surrogate religion. Look into mass marketing. I was gonna recommend more specifics but I'm away and forgot the titles.

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>>16596719
do it anyway

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>>16596721
>do it anyway

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>>16595555
Decline of the West

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bmup