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Did you read it? Are you enlightened now?

>> No.16550430

fuck no im not reading that gay shit

>> No.16550449

Yes and yes. Also I poop in the street now.

>> No.16550461

>>16550424

I hear a lot of talk about Indian philosophy on here, but when I try to do surface level reading on any of it it just seems like either gibberish or im14andthisisdeep-tier stuff by white people.
I just don't get it, what's the point any of these guys are trying to make? Dismantling illusion (as Herman Hesse put it)? Being a fag guru and leeching off society (think Osho)? Or is there really some substance in this stuff that my feeble western mind has as of yet been unable to comprehend?

>> No.16550493

>>16550461
Just pay zero attention to new age Westerners (or those in the Western 'light') and read for yourself and read commentaries by the actual philosophers/gurus like Shankara. Plato is unironically the best introduction to metaphysical concepts brought about in the Upanishads. Listening to one of those fags is like watching a School of Life video on some philosopher - it is for the lowest common denominator, if not completely warped.

>> No.16550498

>>16550424
the upnishads have the same intellectual depth as, say, parmenides. the west got past him in 20 years, while the indians are being stuck with the upanishads for 2500 years. indeed europeans are 125 times the men the indians (or the gooks, or the jews, or the niggers) are.

>> No.16550537

>>16550498
That's just not true, they are the GOAT metaphysical works, all the while predating Plato which is amazing in itself. Yeah poos are behind because they only care about metaphysics, why would Hindus/Buddhists waste effort on ethics etc as opposed to piercing the veil on their supposed truths that would help liberate themselves. True the West demolishes poos in every other way than metaphysics - and you can thank Christcucks for that (for better or worse you decide)

>> No.16550565

>>16550493

Thanks. However, as soon as I look up this person, I'm hit with a wall of jargon that says nothing about the man's actual philosophy. This is what I meant by 'gibberish' in my previous post. All Wikipedia gives me are names of associated schools (Dashanami, Shanmata), streams of thought (Advaita Vedanta, Brahma Sutra, Upashinad) related theology (atman, brahman etc.).

And this goes on, I can look up any western philosopher and at least understand to some degree what they were interested in (ethics, metaphysics etc.), what they believed (platonist, atheist, apologist) and so on. But for Indians the only search results are pages and pages of words in Sanskrit which to me mean nothing. Why should I give a fuck if Adi Shankara was criticised for using Madhyamika Buddhist logic if you don't explain why that logic is flawed?
It just feels to me like it's jargon on jargon on jargon and that underneath there is very little substance or that it's lost in translation.
Not trying to be a dick or a poo-in-loo-tier hater. I just don't get why so many people say that Indian philosophy is so advanced when it's so goddamned opaque.

>> No.16550592

>>16550537
the poos believe the immanent world to be illusion, and are used to dwell in the intellectual fabrication of the being, BECAUSE they are utter shit at doing high IQ deeds like math, logic, physics, music, war, natural sciences, architecture and figurative art (they started only after the greeks thaught them), literature, politics, and pretty much life itself.

>> No.16550635

>>16550424
Yes, I did read them. No, I'm not liberated but my perspective has been permanently changed, and I never lose my understanding and awareness of the Self, and I seldom experience unhappiness or anxiety anymore.
>>16550565
>I look up this person, I'm hit with a wall of jargon that says nothing about the man's actual philosophy.

Check out this collection of some of his Upanishad commentaries and form your own idea of his metaphysics directly without relying on other secondary sources which don't provide you with the essential understanding formed from reading his works.

https://estudantedavedanta.net/Eight-Upanisads-Vol-1.pdf
https://estudantedavedanta.net/Eight-Upanisads-vol2.pdf

>> No.16550654

>>16550592
>the poos believe the immanent world to be illusion,
only a few schools believe this out of the dozens of major Hindu schools/sects
>they are utter shit at doing high IQ deeds like math, logic, physics,
Panini invented formal systems, anonymous Indian mathematics first used 0 in notation and it spread from them to Arabs and then the west. Ramanujan was one of the most brilliant mathematicians of the 19th-20th centuries and has been compared to Euler and Jacobi.
>music, architecture, figurative art
lol I hope you are just trolling and are not really this stupid

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>>16550635
I would be careful about reading Advaita Vedanta interpretations such as Shankara's as a commentary to the Upanishads, they are extremely reliant on Buddhist philosophy (Shankara is called a "cryptobuddhist" by most Hindus, and most scholars agree). If you want to read the Upanishads, work through them with editions and commentaries that aren't sectarian, or at least read an interpretation that is closer to the original meaning of the Upanishads, rather than Shankara's 9th century AD quasi-buddhism.

>> No.16550668

>>16550660
Kek it's this autist again.

>> No.16550691

>>16550668
Autists like him make this shithole better.
Stfu shallow pseud.

>> No.16550701

>>16550654
The quora pajeets are here to tell us about how they invented blinking

>> No.16550733

>>16550654
> Panini invented formal systems
panini was a fucking grammarian and "formal system" means nothing as well as your guru bullshit.
the zero was already known (egyptians, mesopotamians and greeks left an empty spot instead of the zero). indians just intruced a new notation.
jacobi is not a mathematician, and ramanujan has been compared to euler by who? your local fakir? some ""enlightened"" shitty monk of yours?
> >music, architecture, figurative art
there is no art in the indian subcontinent before the greek-indian one. you had some africa tier artifacts.
and im not aware of any indian composer comparabel to handel or strauss. your mantra retarded noise is not music.

>> No.16550737

>>16550565
>ethics, metaphysics, platonist, atheist, apologist
These are all Greek words. You're complaining that you're having Sanskrit words thrown at you instead of Greek.
Sure, it poses a difficulty, but that doesn't say anything about the teachings themselves, inasmuch as they were not written for the intellectual descendants of Greeks.
Follow the other anon's advice and disregard >>16550660

>>16550654
Ramanujan was, in all fairness, a western mathematician of Indian descent.

>> No.16550809

>>16550737
>Ramanujan was, in all fairness, a western mathematician of Indian descent.
Yeah in the same sense that Greek mathematicians were Babylonian and Egyptian mathematicians of Greek descent.

>> No.16550829

I'm German and I have the translation of Eknath Easwaran. Any German fags here that know of its good?

>> No.16550861

>>16550829
Note that it's a translation from Eknath Easwaran's English translation. I have heard that his Gita is okay but his Upanishads pretty bad for serious reading, that he interprets freely and untraditionally.

>> No.16550876

>>16550809
This can be said of Pythagoras perhaps, but someone like Euclid was clearly standing in a line of Greek mathematics. Ramanujan did not stand in the line of Indian mathematics.

>> No.16550958

Read it like 10 years ago and I cant remember shit about it, other than me being impressed as to how similar it was to a few things in greek philosophy... but how at the same time the greeks had explained themselves much better and then developed the ideas rather than stay there.

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>>16550424

>> No.16552461

>>16550424
Read it and felt nothing.

>> No.16552728

>>16550424
Yes, and getting there.

>> No.16552747

>>16550565
because you literally just havent learned about it yet you idiot holy shit how is this absolutely RETARDED post not drawing more ire

JUST READ

>> No.16552864

>>16550635
>Check out this collection of some of his Upanishad commentaries and form your own idea of his metaphysics directly without relying on other secondary sources which don't provide you with the essential understanding formed from reading his works.
How am I able to form my own ideas if I read through a biased commentary of the actual text in question? A commentary IS a secondary source.

>> No.16553334

>>16552864
>How am I able to form my own ideas if I read through a biased commentary of the actual text in question
Because the commentary is a direct translation of a Sanskrit commentary written by an 8th-century man considered to be one of Hinduisms most important philosopher/theologians, i.e. Shankara. Unless you already have an encyclopedic knowledge of Sanskrit philosophical terminology then much of the Upanishads are very hard to understand without any commentary/notes; so some form of commentary or extensive notation is practically inevitable. So if you are going to read them you might as well read the interpretation and explanations written by renowned Hindu philosophers instead of mediocre and dumbed-down ones by academics.

>> No.16553356

>>16553334
I'd rather read the actual translation than some medieval pajeet coping, besides if I wanted to do that I'd just read actual renowned philosophers like Ramanujacharya or Madhvacharya, instead of hidden buddhists.

>> No.16553357

>>16553356
based

>> No.16553373

>>16553356
holy based..

>>16553334
cryptobuddhist alert

>> No.16553390

>>16553356
where can I get Madhva's bhasyham of the upanishads?

>> No.16553421

>>16550592
Lol are you comparing the single country of India to the entire continent of Europe in an attempt to debase them? A more honest comparison would be country by country.

>> No.16553427

>>16553421
I really hope this is bait

>> No.16553446

>>16553427
I don’t care man I’m not Indian I’m just asking a question.

>> No.16553449

>>16553390
http://www.nageshsonde.com/images/chhandogya-upanishad.pdf
http://www.nageshsonde.com/images/brihad-aranyak-upanishad-commentary.pdf
http://www.nageshsonde.com/images/Sri_Madhva's%20_Bhashya_on_Isha_panishad_book.pdf
http://www.nageshsonde.com/images/Sri_Madhva_Mandukya_Upanishad.pdf
http://www.nageshsonde.com/images/Katha%20_Upanishad_book.pdf
http://www.nageshsonde.com/images/Sri-Madhvachachaarya-Bhashya-On-Taittiriya-Upanishad.pdf
http://www.nageshsonde.com/bhashya_on_kena_upanishad.html
http://www.nageshsonde.com/images/Atharvan_Up_Mundaka_up.pdf
http://www.nageshsonde.com/images/Prashnopanishad.pdf

Bonus Gita commentary
http://www.nageshsonde.com/Bhagavad_gita.pdf

>> No.16553530

>>16552747
this

>> No.16553548

>>16550733
Dunning and Kruger would have loved you

>> No.16553804

The Upanishads are a cringe attempt from the hindus to make the vedas compatible with more popular ideas from the jains and the buddhists.


The jains and the buddhists talked about karma, rebirth and ignorance so the poos copied that.

The jains said that nirvana can only be reached inside samadhi and then dying inside samadhi, so poos copied the first part.

The buddhists say you don't need to die to get to nirvana, so the poos copied that.

In the vedas, the poos just talk about rituals and sacrifices, which is useless to buddhist, but not to jains for the ritual part, so they made the buddha as one of their god and now the poos say killing animals is wrong.

With the meditation meme, the poos created Advaita and now they say that only thru meditation people can reach nirvana. that's true like the jains, but false in buddhism.

Don't forget that in the vedas, there is no karma, no rebirth, no ignorance. Just 100% sacrificial rituals of animals and dancing around a fire to please gods.

Then later on with the mahayanists rejecting the buddhist sutras, but still wanting to pas as buddhist, the mahayanists made up the non-duality meme, just like the Advaita. It is not clear which one of the two group of retards create the meme, but they are both non-buddhist, as seen from the content and the style of their lengthy crappy texts.

>> No.16554441

>>16553804
the doctrine of the ignorance and the doctrine of non-duality are exactly the same thing.

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>>16550424