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Okay, now I know that there's a lot of people on this board who gag when they see a piece of literature that isn't at least as complex as Finnegan's Wake, or mind-wrenchingly post modern.

My question boils down to this. Are these goddamn books worth reading, or is there an inherent badness to them that goes beyond regular /lit/'s aversion to not overly complex prose?

>> No.16525368

>>16525299
>Are these goddamn books worth reading
Its escapist genre fiction, so no.
/thread

>> No.16525385

>>16525299
Imagine for a minute that you're a sewer worker, and the shit is fantasies about the medieval.

The first book is okay, but after that the feasts decline. Also GRRM's fantasy of the medieval is pathetically uneconomic.

The only good thing is when you realise that no character with a chapter has any political power or capacity to modify what is happening: that you're watching a horror show through the eyes of idiots.

>> No.16525388

>>16525385
Oh and I forgot, Hodor chapter is brilliant.

>> No.16525422
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>>16525299
We get a thread like this every week or two, and every time the consensus is generally:
a) It's certainly much better than reading nothing, if you read very little or not at all it's a far better way to get back into it. I started with the series a few years ago and this year I read GR, Dubliners/ Portrait and Lolita and enjoyed them all a great deal
b) There is indeed more complexity to these books than "le genre fic is for pleebs" give it credit for (bear in mind that most of those people don't read anything), political philosophy, ethics, trauma and development, and even some interesting religious themes and symbolism are all present and intelligently woven into the narrative
c) The books are fun, if you were at all invested in the show and felt it went to shit after a few seasons, as most people agree it did, then you owe it to yourself to read the version where it just got better from that point.

>> No.16525436

>>16525422
Thanks based anon. Not a newfag to the site but a newfag to the /lit/ board, and I like to read shit that's popular and critically acclaimed just to know why, and this cleared up my decision.

>> No.16525530

>>16525436
No problem anon, and happy reading!

>> No.16525566

>>16525299
I've read all of them, they are alright in a sort of political intrigue sort of way and the writing is simple (not that that is a bad thing). The problem is that the series is what, 7 books long or so? And really it could have been condensed into 2 or 3 at most. Danerys is insufferable and ever chapter about her should have been pulled from every book and just made into a spin off sorry; she is off on her own continent doing her own thing that is pointless to the story, and only really matters in a dance with dragons which ironically was the hardest for me to care about. By the time she matters to the story I was almost beyond the point of even caring, and then DwD is almost entirely about her. I'm addition the entire series suffers from fantasy creep: the first books are almost low fantasy, and progressively things get more fantastical with every book. Depending on your tastes this could be a good or bad thing but I was hoping for more of the "intrigue with mystical legends that may be true" and it turned into "witches and princesses riding dragons, zombie armies and wizards" and it by far those are the weakest parts of the story.

>> No.16525923

>>16525385
problem with feast/dance is they are a buildup to the payoff in TWOW.
You've Stannis drowning the Freys at the lake, Euron sacrificing the hightowers/redwynes at the arbor, Victarion/Tyrion fighting the clusterfuck in slavers bay and Aegon/Golden company annihilating the Tyrells.

>> No.16525976

>>16525923
Murders aren't delicious baked goods you stupid noble.

>> No.16526086

>>16525388
You clearly haven't read them because there is no Hodor chapter.

>> No.16526097

>>16525299
No they're great books with fantastic world building. Pretty much everyone who shits on them is a Tolkien fanboy who is angry GoT was successful.

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16526100

>>16526086
>texts are defined by authors

>> No.16526189

>>16525368
>escapist
Everything about it is modern. What are they escaping? Trump's wall?

>> No.16526194

>>16526189
THEIR BODIES JUST DEMAND ORGANS THATS THE ONLY REASON THEY"RE MODERNIST

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16526607

>>16525299
They're fun and easy to read, that's all you need to know. Also they unlock a pretty big fandom if you're interested in that since the series is so popular.

>> No.16527840

>>16525299
The story progression in the last two books is worse than the prior three and so much more enjoyable than what HBO wrote. I would try them for this reason alone.

>> No.16527886

>>16525299
>Are these goddamn books worth reading
No.
They were meant to be a trilogy. Then GRRM decided to turn the series into a bloated, meandering mess, only strung together by OH NO YOU DIDN'T endings on every single shitty, bloated book.
The series will never be concluded.

>> No.16527909

>>16526100
Faulkner's Benjy processed through the syntax of Hemingway's nada.

>> No.16527930

>>16525299
If by faggotry you mean are they pozzed or sjw books, no actually they're not. GRRM is a big soft libcuck but the books aren't like that. I've seen people argue that the blondest characters like the Lannisters and Targs are the most evil and incestuous, that's probably true but I see it as a literary trope and it doesn't bother me. The non-Westerosi are certainly not depicted as noble savages or in any kind of unduly romanticized light.

>> No.16527986

>>16525299
They're pretty entertaining for what they are, but they'll probably never be finished so if you want closure, don't start