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>watch election debate
>both parties yelling over each other, mainly trump though he never shuts up
>one person states a "fact"
>other person says no your wrong no thats not how it is no i dont think so
>repeat over and over

books on the art of honest debating?

>> No.16474522

>>16474512
Democracy is such a shit system
>inb4 America is not a democracy
It is a polyarchic democratic republic

>> No.16474527

There she blows!

>> No.16474528

>>16474512
Cicero

>> No.16474529

Can we just have an emperor already? This shit isn't going to work with so many different cultures.

>> No.16474531

>>16474512
American debates aren't exactly orations from antiquity. The audience isn't as refined, to put it lightly.

>> No.16474532

>>16474522
What about their bizarre practice of having the Supreme Court veto/pass stuff seemingly of its own accord. What is the political term for that

>> No.16474533

>>16474529
Trump is emperor by divine right already, the population just needs to wake up and support him whole heartedly

>> No.16474535

>>16474512
The OG book you are asking for is Rhetoric by Aristotle OP. It goes over all the methods employed in tonight's debate. "facts" as a method of convincing people is a subset of one subset. It's not a very important thing at all, really.

>> No.16474536

Reminder if you are a Blumpf voter to leave this board (and kill yourself). You are the garbage of this board.

>> No.16474538

>>16474533
Their first king should be some biracial mutt to placate the minorities.

>> No.16474542

>>16474532
Separation of powers, but it really didn't kick in until Marbury v Maddison when the court discovered it could rule laws unconstitutional.

>> No.16474543

>>16474512
Honestly both parties going at each other for the entire duration made the debate far more interesting than I anticipated. Then you also had the moderator seething in the corner and begging both parties for some order. It was glorious, and I for one cannot wait for the second debate

>> No.16474549

>>16474543

What's the format for the next one? Town Hall?

>> No.16474550

>>16474522
It's not a democracy. It was never designed as a democracy. The bougie founders hated democracy and had disdain for the people. They were pieces of shit who just wanted to maintain their private property and never cared for the people. The system was broken to begin with. The only way to fix this country is communist insurrection.

>> No.16474556

>>16474531
>know your audience
#1 rule of Rhetoric

>> No.16474557

>>16474543
It just annoyed me. Trump is all volume, no substance, and Biden is too weak to shut him down.

>> No.16474558

>>16474543
>trump: i support bad things. my opponent supports good things
>biden: shut up, man. i do not

>> No.16474566

Trump embarrassed Biden and the moderator

MAGA

>> No.16474568
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>>16474556
based and rhetoric pilled

>> No.16474570

>>16474535
Thank you anon

>> No.16474574

>>16474557
Trump had plenty of substance. He asked a lot of questions that people have been begging him to for years. Biden is the one who couldn't even refute anything he said, beyond saying
>n-no, that's not true!! My son is just a drug addict like many of you at home!!

>>16474558
You're an idiot and didn't even watch the debate, did you?

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16474576

>if a bat hits you over the back of the head, it isn't an idea
is this hegelian?

>> No.16474577

>>16474574
>he supports antifa and defunding the police
>no I don't jack
>he supports the green new deal
>no I don't jack
>he supports socialist medicare for all
>no I don't jack

I literally did. It was the most brilliant television I think I've ever seen. We literally live in a society.

>> No.16474580

>>16474550
I know it's bait, but it is a democracy, just a variation of it. Robert Dahl has a book on that, you can find it on Lib Gen. And btw, the Founding Fathers disdain for democracy was based.

>> No.16474586

>>16474512
I unironically wanted a fistfight between these geriatric fucks.

>> No.16474592

Humanity is complete trash, utterly hopeless

>> No.16474596

>>16474557
yeah, I too much prefer the 2 min clock count down with a loud buzzer at the end and the ability to mute mics, if the candidate didnt get his pre hashed argument across in the time limit.
>>16474574
>Trump had plenty of substance.
people vehemently dont want to believe that things he says, which others never mention, actually has traction.

>> No.16474599

>>16474535
What if someone instantly checks up your fact as you say it? In aristotle's time, they didn't have instant fact checking methods

>> No.16474606

>>16474580
It's not bait. I'm serious. America is an oligarchy. You're a piece of shit if you believe that.

>> No.16474608

>>16474557
So many numbers were flying around by both of them. But Trump has a point that Biden talks all this stuff but has mostly been an insider for 47 years.

>> No.16474609

>>16474580
Representative democratic republic I guess? Only time I ever feel even close to direct democracy is when we get to vote on local city bills. It's all so disappointing.
>>16474586
I knew he wouldn't but I was hoping Biden would just walk over and punch him. I guess we have two more of these to hope that happens.
>>16474592
Agreed.
>>16474570
Sure thing, bud.

>> No.16474615

>>16474574
Trump barely focused on the country. It's all about his image. He's uncivilized.

>> No.16474616

>>16474599
>“A few months ago I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions tell me that's true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not.”

All you do is employ another rhetorical tactic and downplay the error. Play up the feeling behind what you said, play up how the general idea behind the fact is true, but the fact itself is inconsequential. You can also do what we saw during the debate tonight, deflect and reorient the conversation to something else. If you have extra ammo with you, you can even admit to the fact being wrong and just blast them with something else. It all depends on context and what your strong suits are and what your goals are.

>> No.16474617

>>16474606
Do you really believe everyone that dislikes democracy is a piece of shit? There are a lot of problems with it

>> No.16474622

>>16474599
cant tell if this comment is irony, if it isn’t then go back to r*ddit but there are no facts

>> No.16474648

>>16474615
>two scoops
>three minutes

>> No.16474659

>>16474550
Get a job, you bum

>> No.16474863

>>16474512
We need an Augustus