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HEGEL. The Absolute Discovery: Certainty of itself or Reason = God. How Certainty of itself was found to be absolute or all reality, and therefore the same as “God,” or How it was seen that what is called “God” in Religion is in truth (reducible to, the same as) Pure Certainty of Itself or Pure Self-Consciousness (which must also allow for “intersubjectivity” – and not collapse into an undifferentiated One of Pure Identity, cf. “I am in the Father, the Father in Me,” I am in them, they are in Me” etc). This way: Kant sketched the Principle. Fichte-Schelling saw its true value and use, and developed it, but not adequately. Finally in Hegel’s Phenomenology we see how Consciousness of an Object gives way to Consciousness of Consciousness or Certainty of Itself, that is, the latter steps into the place of the Object (Essence, Truth, Being, What Is)! See, “There is nothing behind the Curtain or Appearances unless we go behind there ourselves!” Then as we go on 1. this Certainty of Itself becomes The Concept, Der Begriff (= Self, Thought, Self-Consciousness), and 2. gradually “The Self’s meaning grows/expands,” gradually more and more features of the Object, more and more “In itselfs,” become known to be Self or get counted for Certainty of Self!! At the end, all alleged Being, Objectivity, Otherness (Anders-Sein) no longer holds out, is seen to have been an illusion, or in reality nothing but Certainty of Itself!! So, the Result is: BEING = CERTAINTY OF ITSELF! So, God too = Certainty of Itself! Also see religion to Absolute Knowing where Vorstellung (and the Vorstellung “God”) is converted into Concept or Self or “Self’s Act within itself.” Also: The Meaning of “Certainty of itself” and “Being-for-itself.” It means 1. Identity-in-Difference (cf. TUA, unity of self-consciousness {difference}), 2. Certainty (as subject) of Certainty (as object/being), like “I = I,” 3. See Fichte-Schelling’s “self-reverting Activity,” “Think yourself and notice how you do it,” think the Wall, now He that thought the Wall! And Hegel, “self-cons is essentially the reflection out of the world of sense and perception, back into itself!” Cf. “Reflection-into-Self” and the Meaning of Self-Consciousness, and Fichte’s “The I as subject-object” : a) Consciousness of an Object, then b) Cons of Cons as Cons of an Object; Fichte, “Consciousness is my immediate object, not the Statue! Schelling, “The I is not an Object like a Thing, It only becomes an Object by making Itself into an Object!! And no one else can see it, Your Pure I, it only exists for itself! = Being-for-itself! [[Men’s room at Telos Meeting, I = I!]

>> No.16455123

>>16455117
Oh yes, I understand Hegel now.

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I understand now...

>> No.16455200

>>16455117
WTF is this schizo shit

>> No.16455227

vocaroo anon read OP's post please

>> No.16455234

OP, are you on drugs right now?

>> No.16455303

>>16455117
no its actually thesis + antithesis = synthesis

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>>16455303

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>There is nothing behind the Curtain or Appearances unless we go behind there ourselves!

>> No.16457584

nice, good stuff

>> No.16458302

>>16455303
based F:NV playing midwit.

>> No.16458324

>>16455117
wew anon
>>16456384
lol

>> No.16458349

Yep, unironically.
>Das Ich setzt sich selbst und das Nicht-Ich entgegen.

>> No.16458355

>>16455117
based and /x/ pilled
Hylics will tell you to take your meds

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Absolute certitude at last!

>> No.16458386

>>16455227
yes please

we need you

>> No.16458507

>>16455227
bump for this

>> No.16458522

Are philosophers just highly functioning autistic schizophrenics?

>> No.16458529

>>16458522
schizophrenia = enlightenment, so yes. Never trust a sane philosopher

>> No.16458537

>>16458522
autists = analytical

schizos = continental

>> No.16458563

>>16458529
based
true wisdom lies within the marriage of genius and madness

>> No.16458678

>>16458358
Does it come in suppository format?

>> No.16458753

>>16455117
>Certainty of itself or Reason
You may have actually read Hegel.

>> No.16458908

>>16455117
These posts are what make me want to read more philosophy. Any advice on how someone outside of academia could learn more efficiently, I. E. how to effectively read these dense, obfuscated texts and how to write in this headspace. I've been thinking a lot about subject-object orientation, but I don't know SHIT about Kant, Nietzsche, or any of these German Idealists. So, why am I having these thoughts!? Has the Hyperstition poisoned me with its arrow from The Outside - am I a conduit? Or, merely under possession of a genius I'm yet to understand until Integration?

>> No.16459010

>>16458908
Start with Kant nigga

>> No.16459032

>>16458908
It helps to have a pad and paper to jot down words with definitions to reference, especially with people like Kant and Hegel who are very complex. If you don't do this you'll read a bunch of words that don't make sense and you'll rage and become an analytic cuck because you'll get filtered.

>> No.16459043

Read Voegelins critique of Hegel. And forget Hegel.

>> No.16459102

>>16459010
>>16459032
Maybe I should just dive in, read Kant - hope for the best, and diverge from there. I'm scared, though, bros. I don't want to get psued-cuck-filtered.

>> No.16459114

>>16459102
Be like medieval theology students and reword their writings so as to understand them better. It will be slow but you'll get a lot more out of it.

>> No.16459131

>>16458358
Lol, nitrous is the true patrician drug.

>> No.16459139

>>16458358
This is somewhat true, I only understood many of these concepts after taking LSD.

>> No.16459149

>>16458537
Based schizoautist here AMA

>> No.16459196

>>16459114
I actually find this helpful and inspiring. It would be a fun writing exercise and help me understand my own relationship with the text. Then, I'll kick off my theory-fiction WordPress career and retire in Valhalla.

>> No.16459268

>>16455117
This is it: the beast of my waking nightmares.

>> No.16459311

>>16455227
>>16455117
Ill try again next time.
https://vocaroo.com/1xgzVxRBESKY

>> No.16459368

>>16459311
Thank you

>> No.16459443

>>16455117
>>16455227
>>16459368
I did a little better.
https://vocaroo.com/1eQSTbiU64M9

>> No.16459465

>>16455227
>>16459368
You know what, as a board, we should aggregate a whole bunch of Vocaroo recordings of a book and put in an application for librivox.

>> No.16460040

>>16459443
You are not THE Vocaro-faggot...

>> No.16460143

>>16460040
I know, but I tried my best, didnt I?

>> No.16460384

>>16460143
you did good senpai and made me laugh thanks!

>> No.16460510

>>16460384

thnx

>> No.16460772

>>16455227
>>16460040
I got it commissioned.
https://voca.ro/1dUkOyA5v0et

>> No.16460827

>>16460772
LMFAO the shouting is perfect but you forgot to describe OPs pic for the blind people like you always do

>> No.16460830

>>16460772
Now where is the guy who can make a picture video corresponding to the mentioned themes

>That "Fichte" pronounciation; unironically trying to pronounce german word in german. Accent but I'm still impressed, and I am german.

>> No.16460842

>>16460827
Im not him, like I said, i commissioned him from this thread
>>16460660

>> No.16460908

lol. I have never seen Hegel symmetrical, I am dying.

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>>16455117
>“There is nothing behind the Curtain or Appearances unless we go behind there ourselves!”

>> No.16461586

>>16460935
what is that even supposed to mean?

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>>16461586
OP has tunneled out into the noumenal realm and seen Everything as One from the standpoint of the Absolute Idea, wherein subject/object and appearance/reality and all other opposites are solved.

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>>16461586
>and off they traveled into the dark seas in order to find that which they might contain

>> No.16461699

>>16459102
Start with Descartes - it will be easier and also interesting. Then Locke, Leibnitz, Berkeley, Hume and then Kant.

>> No.16462965

>>16455117
I dreamed of him

>> No.16463071

>>16461586
it means that the only things that exists are those things in aperence. anything outside of perspective cannot be said to exist. think schrodinger's cat.

>> No.16463079

>>16463071
noumena/phenomena

>> No.16463082

>>16461699
this too. though you can short list to (Being somewhat familiar with plato aristotle) Descarte Hume and Kant if you want.

>> No.16463102

>>16463079
yes, but have you read prolegomena? the noumena is mostly a hypothetical ultimate reality useful for conceptualization, but we can never reach it as mortals. therefore, as long as there is the curtains, we cannot say that there is anything behind it.

>> No.16463377

>>16455117
DIE SVNTHVSVS

>> No.16464688 [DELETED] 

bump