/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16444871]

Post one lesser known book that influenced your thinking.

[Anonymous No.16444888]

>>16444871
That, OP, might be the most important book to my understanding of history and society of all I've read, desu.

[Anonymous No.16444907]

>>16444888
Based. What other books would you recommend?

[Anonymous No.16444944]

>>16444907
In terms of elucidating history and putting it in an understandable context? I don't know. The Technological Society and Propaganda by Jacques Ellul, maybe, with some caveats. Schmidt, too. I have been searching for a book that has the sort of gravity and clarifying ability of The Ancient City, actually. I bought pic related but it hasn't come in yet. I have seen it described as somewhat in the a similar vein, a spiritual successor, maybe.

[Anonymous No.16444954]

>>16444944
*Schmitt

[Anonymous No.16445015]

>>16444871

[Anonymous No.16445025]

>>16444871
Bruno Snell's The Greek Mind

[Anonymous No.16445034]

>>16444944
I also bought this recently but I've got to finish Tom Jones before I make my way to it.

[Anonymous No.16445063]

>>16444871

[Anonymous No.16445200]

Bump

[Anonymous No.16445204]

>>16445034
>It's on libgen, you know

Also check out "Philosophy of the Ancient Maya", also on libgen. Not as good, but good food for thought.

[Anonymous No.16445210]

>>16444888
christ, checked. Checked em good. Guess I'll ahve to check that book next

[Anonymous No.16445213]

>>16444871

[Anonymous No.16445251]

You’d be doing yourself a big favour by reading this, OP.

[Anonymous No.16445265]

Besides the Romantics, one of the most potent redpills for the country life

[Anonymous No.16445275]

[Anonymous No.16445294]

>>16445204
>"Philosophy of the Ancient Maya",
Ahh, good to see the Aztec philosophy poster is still around, I think I even got in an argument with you once or twice, but it's good to see you again. You should post about the work some more(considering I still haven't read it), as I think /lit/ anons would enjoy it a lot and would also probably improve the general quality of posts.

[Anonymous No.16445325]

>>16445294
Probably. I'm not the only one who talks about these two, but I might as well be. I've been meaning to go back through Aztec Philosophy and Philosophy of the Ancient Maya and get some stuff worth putting on here.

[Anonymous No.16445673]

based coulanges poster

[Anonymous No.16445708]

>>16445325
Yeah it's pretty fun to read considering how different and unique it is from both West and East, hope to see your thread anon! A good break from the usual overall.

[Anonymous No.16445730]

>>16444871
Outlines of Pyrrhonism by Sextus Empiricus

[Anonymous No.16445812]

>>16444871
It's a fun read but pretty dated. I wouldn't base my worldview on it.

[Anonymous No.16445822]

>>16444871
The greatest book ever written.

[Anonymous No.16445878]

>>16444871

[Anonymous No.16446051]

>>16445325
I thought whites burned all their written shit. how do I know this isn't some charlatan chucklefuck selling his own youtube-tier quack ideas with an aztec motif?

I've got a friend who dismisses anything western and will buy 100% ANYTHING that has some sort of association with 'indigenous' peoples. Drives me fucking mad.

[Anonymous No.16446831]

>>16445822
I got filtered hard by this. I had no idea what the fuck he was talking about and it was not funny enough to care about some made up german philosophy book.

[Anonymous No.16446835]

>>16445673
I nominate The Ancient City to be part of the /lit/ canon.

[Anonymous No.16446846]

>>16445275
Is the golden bough really obscure? Did you read all 12 volumes?

[Anonymous No.16446847]

>>16446846
Nobody talks about it on here

[Anonymous No.16446866]

>>16445730
Based

[Anonymous No.16446917]

>>16444871
>offers funereal repast to the Manes

[Anonymous No.16447127]

>>16446831
Borges loved it so hard he memorised large portions of it. It's a fantastic book, you should give it another go, but I recommend looking up on its influences on the wikipedia, Carlyle's personal struggles, his three main Anglo influences on the work, German Idealism, and of course just its thematic originality and irony. And reading his "Hero-Worship" lecture before it, so you can perhaps get some of the philosophical ideas and mentality behind it.

[Anonymous No.16447144]

>>16444871
Also Human Scale by the same author.

[Anonymous No.16447167]

>>16444888
digits confirm

[Anonymous No.16447168]

>>16447144
This looks somewhat interesting, but I read "cultural diversity" - does he mean "every race a separate space", or "diversity is our strength"?

[Anonymous No.16447190]

>>16447168
The former. Sale doesn't believe in the cultural melting pot ideal.

[Anonymous No.16447211]

>>16444871
>lesser known book
It's fairly decently known in France. I mean as much as a historical classic will be. It received pocket book editions from big names rather than needing to go for meme editors (based of them though).

[Anonymous No.16447212]

>>16447190
Great, I'll try to find a copy of this. Thanks anon. The problem with most similar ideas I've come across is that they see no value in race/heritage and assume all people are interchangeable.

[Anonymous No.16447254]

Keeping the historical theme, pic related is certainly underrated. The seething from Marxists might have been the cause at the time of release. Today it will be "culturally insensitive" or related complaints. Many would be filtered by the title alone.

>>16445275
>>16446846
Even the subversive Franz Boas fanboys will put it as a reference in an anthropology or ethnography reading list. It's just one of those books few people read cover to cover anymore for good reasons.

[Anonymous No.16447268]

God damn this is a good thread.

[Anonymous No.16447328]

>>16444871
Homo Novus - A Human Without Illusions

[Anonymous No.16447361]

>>16445213
>lesser known

Here is another one.

[Anonymous No.16447543]

[Anonymous No.16447586]

Basically Kacynski but more educated on the subject

[Anonymous No.16447659]

>>16444871
Read Egon Friedell.

[Anonymous No.16447737]

man there's not enough time to read all these books!

[Anonymous No.16447786]

All of GK though

[Anonymous No.16447818]

>>16446051
The Aztec (who I will use as a placeholder for "all urban Mesoamericans" for ease) are portrayed as oogabooga tribals living in the jungle, akin to Africans or North American Indians, but this is not so. They had an intellectual class of Tlamatini ("tl" in Nahuatl is pronounced like "ch", but with the tongue where it is for "t"), literally "someone who knows something", AKA philosophers. The Spanish burnt a TON of books, and the Aztec of all classes were upset by this, but some survived. More importantly, they couldn't kill literally all of the Tlamatini if they tried, and they couldn't kill literally all of the natives who still operate off of the baseline theology and metaphysics that they've had for a very long time. The book cites its sources heavily, and the entire field is sort of reacting to Miguel Leon-Portilla's work, and he cites his sources HEAVILY (whether he's interpreting things the right way is debatable, but he's not making shit up). So, if you're cool with just leaving it at "no, it's actually real", you can ignore the rest of this post.

There's a few periods in how this stuff gets written down: the first is just the Aztec Tlamatini literally writing their stuff down, as they had independently invented the book. The Borgia Group is this, and was written before the Spanish showed up. There's a few others of this category. Then, you get the post-Spanish stuff, where the Tlamatini just (re-)write their shit down because they were a literate culture that valued such things. The Codex Borbonicus is one such text. There's a few minor texts of post-Spanish Aztecs who are raised in the Spanish tradition writing their native stuff down, that come later. Finally, at some point a group of monks realize "oh shit, these guy's aren't oogabooga retards". This is a problem if you're trying to convert them, for exactly the reason Missionaries ran into when trying to convert Buddhists and Hindus: if you aren't aware of what they believe, then someone schooled in YOUR philosophy AND theirs will come along and dunk on you in front of the peasants. So, they commission the Codex Magliabechiano, out of a mixture of this and intellectual curiosity.

There's a lot of plastic shaman shit out there, don't get me wrong. But the fact that the only one star reviews of this book on amazon are ":(" and a guy sperging out because this ISN'T dances-with-wolves bullshit and is instead actual philosophy would clue you in that this is, y'know, actual philosophy.

[Anonymous No.16447839]

>>16444871
Various works by Klages

[Anonymous No.16447841]

>>16447818
I should add, if you want to know why South Americans worship death and heroin-Jesus, this is baseline theology and metaphysics are why. If you want to know why Mexican cartels commit comically gruesome acts of totally unnecessary violence, this baseline theology and metaphysics are why.

[Anonymous No.16447969]

The Trauma myth and Mind Fixers

[Anonymous No.16447987]

>>16444871
anyone got this in epub/mobi?

[Anonymous No.16448160]

>>16447144
Does anybody know where I can get an affordable copy? I'm not paying 80€.

[Anonymous No.16448599]

>>16444871

This book changed the way I consider time. It's a series of essays from academics about changing the way we perceive and measure time.

[Anonymous No.16448617]

>>16448160

A library?

[Anonymous No.16448632]

posting in based thread

[Anonymous No.16448635]

>>16448599
How do you consider time now?

[Anonymous No.16448667]

>>16448617
Anon, I'm a Krautcuck, our librarues consist out of YA, more YA, some anglo normie tier classics and self-help books. They stop being relevant when you grow aove the age of 12.

[Anonymous No.16448687]

>>16448667
Geh halt in die Unibib du Depp

[Anonymous No.16448695]

>>16445275

Frazer's work has been widely debunked at this point. Same with Eliad and Campbell. The three are often still read because of their influence on the field, not because their ideas are still valid. The Golden Boughs was an ambitious but flawed work, and unfortunately, there has not been an attempt to write a more up-to-date successor. You'd be best served reading more specific books that cover different aspects of what he was trying to explain.

Watkins, Calvert. "How to Kill a Dragon: Aspects of Indo-European Poetics" which covers primarily magical charms and liturgical poetry.

Gager, John. "Cursing Spells and Binding Tablets in the Ancient World" (focusing on lead cursing plates in the Hellenistic world)

Faraone, Chris and Obbink, Dirk (eds) "Magika Hiera" (an anthology of excellent essays on Greek magic)

Faraone, Chris. "Ancient Greek Love Magic" (A diachronic survey of love magic in the Greek and Roman worlds).

Ogden, Daniel. "Greek and Roman Necromancy" (A diachronic survey of necromancy in the Greek and Roman worlds).

Pollington, Stephen. "Leechcraft" (looking primarily at the Old English herbal medical manuscripts, which include a fair number of magical cures.

Jolly, Keren: "Popular Religion in Late Saxon England: The Elf Charms in Context"

Dumezil, Georgez. "Archaic Roman Religion"

Lord, Albert. "The Singer of Tales"

Ong, Walter. "Orality and Literacy"

Puhvel, Jaan. "Comparative Mythology"

[Anonymous No.16448701]

>>16444871
The Bible

[Anonymous No.16448710]

>>16448635

That measuring labor in hours and days did irreparable harm to how we think about time, and why it's now impossible for any country to do any longterm thinking.

[Anonymous No.16448764]

>>16448695

Forgot to add descriptions.

>Dumezil, Georgez. "Archaic Roman Religion"

About Rome's the lack of mythology by historical times.

>Lord, Albert. "The Singer of Tales"

The mechanics and structure of contemporary Balkan oral story-telling

>Ong, Walter. "Orality and Literacy"

The basic problem is that the strategies for conserving knowledge are fundamentally different for oral people than for literate people leading to cognitive dissonance.

>Puhvel, Jaan. "Comparative Mythology"

Suggests that the reason why mythological traditions were lost is simply that Roman religion had become so ritually complex that it became an added burden to be disposed of.

[Anonymous No.16448783]

>>16448687
There are 5 copies in all public libraries in the whole of germany looking throught the kvk. German libraries are pure shit.

[Anonymous No.16448784]

>>16448695
>widely debunked
Fuck off. Dumezil, Pollington and Puhvel are good recommendations, though.

[Anonymous No.16448810]

>>16448784

Bad word choice. A better phrase would have been "so widely written about that it's no longer up to date."

[Anonymous No.16448831]

>>16448810
Perhaps, but that doesn't mean their works no longer have any merit or raise interesting ideas. I wouldn't recommend anyone read the entire Golden Bough though, I'll give you that.

[Anonymous No.16448859]

>>16448831
>Perhaps, but that doesn't mean their works no longer have any merit or raise interesting ideas.

Very true. I still like those books for casual reading, just not academically.

[Anonymous No.16448874]

>>16448859
There shouldn't be any difference between casual or academic.

[Anonymous No.16448921]

>>16448874

I disagree. Frazer, for example, was an armchair anthropologist who didn't know any of the languages of the cultures he studied so he had to rely on other people's translations. He also never did any field work. He was a pseud, so citing him academically is a good way to have your work dismissed. But he had interesting ideas that are worth reading.

Ideas need to hold up to peer review. If not, it needs to be discarded. Else it infects the whole field like identity politics in modern academia.

[Anonymous No.16448942]

Factfulness showed me that we're still fucked, but not as fucked as I thought. Some things are getting a little better.

[Anonymous No.16448944]

>>16448921
You seem to suffer from some cognitive dissonance. The people who set the academic standards and do the peer reviewing are largely the same that infect it with identity politics. Modern academia is a sham and has been for quite some time, despite some honest individuals here and there.

[Anonymous No.16448976]

>>16448921
The peers in peer review, especially in anthropology, are already infected and replaced. They will dismiss proper works due to ideological disargreements. Here is a quick run down and >>16448944 is completely right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjaRgALhEdg

[Anonymous No.16449028]

>>16448944

If I write a paper that Jesus was East Asian and get it published, that paper should not be cited seriously. What I was trying to say before is that I believe base knowledge on a subject should only contain theories and concepts with evidence/proof. People can and should throw whatever ideas they want into the pot, but they should be kept in a separate category until enough studies/analysis have given the material enough weight. The difference between casual and academic work.

And I agree with you on modern academia. As someone who transitioned to industry, a lot of funding goes to the best showman/salesperson, rather than the ideas with the most merit. I encountered quite a few projects that we knew were bullshit from the beginning but the professor wants more papers under his name so he can leverage it for his career. Identity politics create buzz right now so a lot of people are hoping on the train. It's all virtue signaling.

[Anonymous No.16449053]

>>16449028
>People can and should throw whatever ideas they want into the pot, but they should be kept in a separate category until enough studies/analysis have given the material enough weight. The difference between casual and academic work.
The problem is that ideologues decide what passes and what doesn't, therefore saying that "enough studies/analysis have given the material enough weight" doesn't mean anything anymore. How else do you explain this
>I encountered quite a few projects that we knew were bullshit from the beginning but the professor wants more papers under his name so he can leverage it for his career

[Anonymous No.16449059]

[Anonymous No.16449072]

>>16448874

You wouldn't read "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" over something released in the last century if you were researching Rome, would you?

[Anonymous No.16449084]

>>16449072
Sure I would, why not?

[Anonymous No.16449086]

>>16444871
From Atlantis to the Sphinx made me realize that Atlantis is real and at the heart of the origin of humanity and ancient civilizations.

[Anonymous No.16449099]

>>16449072
>dont read "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" if you are researching Rome, its old and stuff
>read "Gender Idenitiy in the Roman Republic: Why The White Straight Male Needs to be Castrated" instead, its newer :)

[Anonymous No.16449107]

>>16449099
kek

[Anonymous No.16449113]

>>16449053

Trendy ideas make it all the time, but get dismissed eventually. Like lobotomy and the smaller skull size of black people. If enough evidence points the field in the opposite direction, it'll fix itself in time. I would suspect that many of the ideas spouted by the trans community will not hold up a few decades from now.

[Anonymous No.16449123]

>>16449113
>get dismissed eventually.
> it'll fix itself in time
>I would suspect that many of the ideas spouted by the trans community will not hold up a few decades from now.
You've obviously never heard of the great march through the institutions. I used to think that way too, but not anymore.

[Anonymous No.16449124]

>>16449072

Real talk, Goldsworthy's book is way better.

[Anonymous No.16449143]

>>16449123

Couldn't we do the same thing, though? I would argue capitalists have more money to do this than the liberals.

[Anonymous No.16449155]

>>16449143
Liberals are just hypocritical capitalists who have both their own money and part of yours thanks to taxes, so they will outspend you most of the time.

[Anonymous No.16449159]

>>16449113
>smaller skull size of black people
And now google scholar the cranial volume of unmixed black people.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289604001357

[Anonymous No.16449161]

>>16449159
>>16449113
">The relationship between brain volume and intelligence has been a topic of a scientific debate since at least the 1830s. To address the debate, a meta-analysis of the relationship between in vivo brain volume and intelligence was conducted. Based on 37 samples across 1530 people, the population correlation was estimated at 0.33. The correlation is higher for females than males. It is also higher for adults than children. For all age and sex groups, it is clear that brain volume is positively correlated with intelligence."

[Anonymous No.16449167]

>>16449143
Most "capitalists" have no morals but money and couldn't care less for this stuff unless it made them money. The liberals who push this stuff are mostly very rich as well, even though they like to larp as marxists. Normal people who oppose this stuff have their hands tied. Counter-infiltration seems like one of the only options but I don't know how.

[Anonymous No.16449191]

>>16449161

I know a retard with a huge head. Debunked.

[Anonymous No.16449201]

>>16449059

How did this change your world view?

[Anonymous No.16449230]

>>16449191
>Anecdotal evidence
>debunked

[Anonymous No.16449248]

>>16449230
Pretty sure he was joking anon. On another note, I don't know why you posted that pic, but it makes me very happy - there's something surrealist about seeing it posted randomly. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.16449291]

>>16447659
absolutely based. Found his works in hardcover at a university library. The last of the 'comprehensive' historian philosophy and poetic as well.

[Anonymous No.16449294]

>>16449248
Glad it made you smile, fren. Those were the innocent times.

[Anonymous No.16449297]

>>16444871
A fully 'Nietzschean' explication of the 'superhuman' in art, and the rest of his material is to this standard

[Anonymous No.16449313]

>>16449294
ALL THE NOSTALGIA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZgxeX2dCnQ

[Anonymous No.16449327]

>>16444871
What was the premise of this book again? Been years since I read it. Something like that ancient societies weren't nearly as "Rational" as most enlightenmentboos thought?

[Anonymous No.16449369]

>>16449294
>>16449313
Wait - this isn't wholesome at all. :(

[Anonymous No.16449382]

>>16449369
>he didn't know DashCon

[Anonymous No.16449432]

>>16448764
>About Rome's the lack of mythology by historical times.
I disagree, Dumezil's thesis is pretty clearly that Rome's history WAS its mythology.

[Anonymous No.16449484]

>>16449382
I'm sorry anon :(

[Anonymous No.16449503]

>>16449327
Yes. Not that the weren't rational in a general sense, but they weren't Rational as in enlightenment rationality, which is a very specific set of beliefs.
For example Philosophy which is idealized by enlightenment and the Greeks essentially became synonymous with it is a very late development in Greek society, and arguably not a completely positive one.

[Anonymous No.16449511]

>>16446917
Based

[Anonymous No.16449526]

>>16447254
what good reasons

[Anonymous No.16449529]

>>16447987
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1PG8ueliGQO6ll8ZMvIicTEl6LHHydrue

[Anonymous No.16449538]

>>16447969
You will hang from a lamppost pedo. Your time is coming.

[Anonymous No.16449595]

>>16447328
>Converging evidence from disciplines including sociobiology, evolutionary psychology and human biology forces us to adopt a new idea of what it means to be a human. As cherished concepts such as free will, naïve realism, humans as creation's crowning glory fall and our moral roots in ape group dynamics become clearer, we have to take leave of many concepts that have been central to defining our humanness. What emerges is a new human, the homo novus, a human being without illusions
lol wtf is this

[Anonymous No.16449647]

>>16449529
Thank you. If you got similar books of your choice, you can upload them if you think they would otherwise be unavailable.

[Anonymous No.16449660]

Just lol at all the mainstream shit in here. OP said "lesser known", did he not?

My thinking is largely influenced by obscure unedited untranslated medieval Latin manuscripts with extensive marginalia written by monks. Sometimes I have found scans in library databases which literally have 0 downloads. I am very possibly the only one alive who has read this shit.

[Anonymous No.16449662]

>>16449647
This is available from the publisher for free during corona.

[Anonymous No.16449666]

>>16449113
the free market economy will save the humanities my friends

[Anonymous No.16449676]

>>16449666
>McDonalds and its role in the Early Roman Republic: The rise of flavour

[Anonymous No.16449683]

>>16449660
Where do you find these?

[Anonymous No.16449694]

>>16449660
Basado

[Anonymous No.16449708]

>>16449676
I'd read it

[Anonymous No.16449709]

>>16448695
>Frazer widely debunked
Well, his ideas and general theories are no longer accepted but his insights are still often precious; also, the whole thing is an enormous compendium of ritual, folktale and primitive thought, so still widely used.

Eliade is not particularly debunked, just not quite as popular for a variety of reasons.

Campbell is interesting, but bit of a monist, always on the verge of pop culture New Age self-help category

t. totally legit academic

[Anonymous No.16449724]

>>16449660
t. doesn't understand Latin

[Anonymous No.16449732]

>>16447841
explain the cartel thing

[Quindecim No.16449761]

A book that changed my whole perspective on life is a manga called Goodnight Punpun by Inio Asano. I found it really profound and relatable, except for the protagonists homocidal tendencies. A lot of other works by Inio Asano are thought provoking.

[Anonymous No.16449773]

>>16449761
Cringe

[Anonymous No.16449884]

>>16444871
La Rochefoucauld's Maxims. I use this book as a mirror. Whenever I read it, a new flaw I didn't know I had is revealed to me, and I find a new strenght to fight it when that is possible, or understand it as well as possible when it isn't.

[Anonymous No.16449891]

>>16449761
this is a literary board, go discuss your chinese cartoons somewhere else

[Anonymous No.16449924]

>>16449099
The two are about as ridiculous.
Gibbons is sole responsible of the comparative retardation of Roman and even worse, Byzantine studies in the English speaking world.

[Anonymous No.16449955]

>>16449884
Make it a trio of La Rochefoucault, Gracian, La Bruyere.
Moralists of the 17th century are the greatest, depends if you count them as lesser known to fit OP.

[Anonymous No.16450220]

>>16449732
The Paleo-Siberian metaphysical system posits a prime "stuff" that everything is made of. For the Aztecs, this is "teotl". Teotl is not, however, a noun: it's a verb. It's a churning sea of pure change. Everything is made of teotl. In this sense, it's an ontologically monistic system. Teotl can be divvied up into various energies, patterns, etc, but these are also just teotl. The only truly proper thing that you can say is "teotling is occurring". Teotl teotl's teotl to teotl teotl using the past teotl to teotl the current teotl to teotl the future teotl. But you see, everything is teotl, so there is nowhere teotl isn't. BUT, you can increase the "rate" of teotl in certain places. Teotl is often included in various words and names indicating power. In the Aztec religion, ritual was about generating this teotl, which would then spread outwards (or be directed).

In this sense, it's different from mana or numen, in that you can have a place with no mana or numen, but you cannot have a place with no teotl. You can just make teotl teotl really "slowly", but you can't actually stop it. The sacrifice of hearts to the sun is a good example of this. It's a massive ecstatic ritual on top of a fucking mountain covered in dancers and blood and ornaments and smaller rituals, culminating in a man being held down, a dagger digging into his chest as he screams, his ribs are cracked as instruments flare, his heart is pulled out of his chest by a screaming priest covered in blood and guts and feces and paint and feathers, and then it is presented to the sun, and its ollin (bouncing energy, there's also twisting and weaving but those aren't as important here) is given to the sun. Aztec religion could be simplified as just a big spiritual recycling system.

The cartels are tapping into this native metaphysics that never really went away, as they are essentially enacting a magic ritual. By chainsawing a man's head off on camera, they generate enormous teotl, that they can they use for their purposes. The victims of these are often drugged for compliance, so we can see a divergence from European magical systems here where the pain of the victim would be needed for the ritual to mean anything. The fact that this never really went away has always brought up problems for Catholicism in the properly Mestizo/Indio regions of Latin America, because it's just so fucking alien to western conceptions of how everything works.

[Anonymous No.16450244]

>>16449666
satanic opinion for satanic get

[Anonymous No.16450320]

>>16450220
sounds based, thanks for the effort post

[Anonymous No.16450623]

>>16448874
There should be. Don’t be so pretentious

[Anonymous No.16450635]

>>16444871
This book is a gateway into darwinist Dasein

[Anonymous No.16450650]

>>16449955
>no Montaigne

why

[Anonymous No.16450653]

>>16450623
>Don’t be so pretentious
Said the pretentious dick

[Anonymous No.16450654]

>>16448160
You could probably find a cheap used copy online.

[Anonymous No.16450687]

[Anonymous No.16450704]

>>16448874
wrong

>>16449924
What's wrong with 'decline of the roman empire'? Was kind of planning on reading it but was planning on researching beforehand. I just want a trustworthy book, no conspiracy BS.

[Anonymous No.16450724]

>>16450704
>wrong
No correct

[Anonymous No.16450857]

>>16450704
>What's wrong with 'decline of the roman empire'?
Dude, any roman historian before the 20th century was extremely biased including Gibbons.

[Anonymous No.16450865]

>>16450857
>Dude, any roman historian before the 20th century was extremely based including Gibbons.
Fixed it for you

[Anonymous No.16450868]

>>16444871

[Anonymous No.16450878]

>>16450865
>Hating on chads like Tiberius, Caligula, Nero, and Domitian because they wouldn't appease the shit senate
Yeah, I'm thinking cringe

[Anonymous No.16450880]

>>16450857
ok, biased in what way and why?
And why would people not be biased anymore right now?

[Anonymous No.16450906]

>>16450878
That's not the standard to go by, genius

[Anonymous No.16450922]

>>16450880
>ok, biased in what way and why?
Do you not know anything about roman history? Anyways, all it takes is a simple search to see how Gibbons was biased.
>And why would people not be biased anymore right now?
Right now, people are a bit more focused on looking at the emperors with as much balance as possible. They might hold their own opinions but it isn't outright slander

[Anonymous No.16450955]

>>16450922
Why don't you just summarise lel, I studied latin in high school so yes I do.

[Anonymous No.16450981]

>>16450922
If you think people are less biased today than a hundred years ago you're massively deluded

[Anonymous No.16450994]

>>16450955
>Why don't you just summarise lel
He's a product of enlightenment thinking. Who basically blames Christianity as the cause of the empire's downfall ignoring basically everything that actually made it fall apart. Not to mention like the classic roman historians, showed favoritism to people reflecting his ideals and shunning everyone else. There, I'm done with the spoonfeeding

[Anonymous No.16451009]

>>16450981
I never said that. I said emperors are looked at with more balance. If you honestly think that Livy and Tacitus are some great shining examples of historical integrity, then you're deluded.

[Anonymous No.16451036]

>>16451009
>I never said that.
>Dude, any roman historian before the 20th century was extremely biased including Gibbons.
Come on guy.
> If you honestly think that Livy and Tacitus are some great shining examples of historical integrity, then you're deluded.
I don't think they're less dishonest than modern scholars, no.

[Anonymous No.16451044]

>>16451036
*more dishonest

[Anonymous No.16451048]

>>16450687
Explain this post, please.

[Anonymous No.16451084]

>>16451048
History of economics on the macrolevel of Western EU, stuff like Central banking.

[Anonymous No.16451092]

>>16451036
>>Dude, any roman historian before the 20th century was extremely biased including Gibbons.
And that's a fact. Nero didn't fiddle while rome burned.
>I don't think they're less dishonest than modern scholars, no.
I'm sorry that you legitimately think that Caligula told his soldiers to attack the sea and made his horse a senator.

[Anonymous No.16451127]

>>16451084
But it's not literary

[Anonymous No.16451143]

>>16451092
Why are you so disingenuous? And yet you call actual scholars biased? What a retard.
>And that's a fact.
Then don't claim you didn't say that, faggot.
>I'm sorry that you legitimately think that Caligula told his soldiers to attack the sea and made his horse a senator.
I never said I did, faggot.

[Anonymous No.16451276]

>>16449660
Explain. What is your favorite passage you've found? Pls. Can you translate Saint Rabanus for me?

[Anonymous No.16451287]

>>16451036
>And yet you call actual scholars biased?
That's because they were. Tell me, how do you compare slander as told by ancient roman historians who heard heard hearsay to 20th/21st century scholars who looked at primary sources and say that the 20th/21st century scholar's work is the same in terms of bias?

[Anonymous No.16451305]

>>16448599
>Stewart Brand

That man is a rabbithole of its own the final boss of boomers and likely naval intelligence

[Anonymous No.16451312]

>>16444871
Reflections on the Revolution in France by Burke.

[Anonymous No.16451742]

>>16450650
>Montaigne
>17th century
Anon, I...

[Anonymous No.16451784]

>>16450704

The problem is it's missing about 250 years of new research and analysis.

[Anonymous No.16451789]

>>16451742
Didnt mean 17th century, just meant that he's the grandaddy of all those and a funner read.

[Anonymous No.16452167]

[Anonymous No.16452172]

>>16445015
Any tips on how to find this? Libgen provides no results, and while being a fan of Bataille, spending hundreds for a copy seems excessive

[Anonymous No.16452192]

>>16445025
Great book. Surprised to see it here.

[Anonymous No.16452998]

>>16450220
Unfathomable based. Care to explain the Southamerica worship of Death and Jesús? Also, if you have other recommendations I'd thankful

[Anonymous No.16453023]

>>16449167
close, the best solution I know is not to retake institutions but build parallel ones. If the old institutions collapse we then take their place, if they don't we can live our own lives outside of their institutions and not be affected by them as much (and since the ideas would be closer to truth we could sway lots of people to join and eschew old stale lying institutions until we are dominant and simply replace them)

Retaking the institutions is a losing battle. it's like that quote I can't remember but will paraphrase "I convinced you to let me in because it was within your principles, I kicked you out because it was within mine" or put way better since I butchered that: we let them take over the institutions from a fair debate sense, but they don't do that and so now that they usurped control they can wield the power of the institutions against you, spend time on university campuses trying to convert institutions conservative and see how it goes. But, spend time online writing making or educating others through your own courses, materials and forums and you will find greater success. You can discuss far more works online then you can in a stale old institution, especially concerning the humanities.

[Anonymous No.16453947]

>>16450654
I couldn't, I already checked every plattform I know of which sells used books.

[Anonymous No.16453961]

>>16444871

[Anonymous No.16454278]

>>16451305
Been meaning to read Counterculture to Cyberculture. How is it?

[Anonymous No.16454319]

>>16444871

[Anonymous No.16454337]

>>16444871
Imagine finding everything that is true in "analytic philosophy" a century before in was a thing with none of the wrong.
Had the book received its proper audience no one would have taken Kant, Hegel, and Mill seriously after it. Not to mention proactively refuting Russel and Brouwer. Husserl saved it from oblivion but it remains an obscure curiosity in many departments.
To this day the anglos fear Bolzano.

[Anonymous No.16454370]

>>16454337
It's a shame he decided to write in the tongue of the defeated, and not the tongue of the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.16454399]

>>16454370

[Anonymous No.16454402]

>>16454370
Many German writers never faced a problem from that (Hegel, Marx, Nietzsche, ...)
Really the main issue is that he didn't have a big following in German speaking countries either. There are many circumstances that led to this situation. He had conflicts with Austrian academia about methods of teaching and their internal organization so he was virtually blacklisted. He was a mathematician which at the time got him bad points among philosophical circles in Germany. He was a priest which led fedoraics and Kultukampf prussianoids to dismiss him without ever reading him. At the same time he had issues with his clerical hierarchy so was never openly promoted by the Church. He also wrote in a very pure but dry, mathematical style.
As I said Husserl is the only reason he was saved from utter oblivion.

[Anonymous No.16454420]

>>16445275
>>16447254
>>16448695
BTFOs all
>pic related
Probably the most fun read I've ever had. I don't care if it's true or not.

[Anonymous No.16454455]

The Customs of the People

A very politicall incorrect yes very authentic four-volume ook about a time when people, even in europe differentiated themselves from their direct neightboors an mutts where a non-issue.

Part 1:
https://archive.org/details/diesittendervl01busc
Part 2:
https://archive.org/details/diesittendervl02busc
Part 3:
https://archive.org/details/diesittendervlke03busc
Can't find part 4.

[Anonymous No.16454462]

>>16454420
>Initially printed as a limited edition of 200 copies, it was partially reprinted in 1878, and completely reprinted in a limited edition of 350 copies in 1927. In 1965, University Books, Inc. published 500 sets for the United States and 500 sets for the British Commonwealth with Publisher's Note and a Postface.
Rare. The content seems insane though.

[Anonymous No.16454472]

>>16448783
tfw live close to heidelberg and its based libraries

[Anonymous No.16454498]

>>16454420
So, it's masonic babble about how all religions go back to one?

[Anonymous No.16454697]

>>16454462
It's available online.
>>16454498
With LOTS of references to other sources, which makes it doubly fun. It's a pandeist work, so, I guess, yeah.

[Anonymous No.16455745]

>>16444871

[Anonymous No.16456157]

>>16450220
based teotlposter

[Anonymous No.16456206]

>>16444871

[Anonymous No.16456207]

>>16450220
>The Paleo-Siberian metaphysical system posits a prime "stuff" that everything is made of.
?

[Anonymous No.16456314]

Not super unknown, but more anons should read Blanchot. This book is the best description of altered states I've ever read. Overall, you could say that Blanchot's project is doing literary analysis so hard he turns it into mysticism.

[Anonymous No.16456390]

>>16447127
Alright, I will put it back on the stack.

[Anonymous No.16456431]

>>16448599
Rationalist are always pathetic when they talk about reality, even more so when they talk about time.

[Anonymous No.16456485]

>>16456207
What dont you understand about it?

[Anonymous No.16456588]

>>16456485
He doesn’t know about the migration

[Anonymous No.16456863]

>>16447818
>as they had independently invented the book
I already knew they had estimated pi but I hadn't heard about this. fucking God dammit. we lost 1/3 of the world's brain when these guys were taken out

[Anonymous No.16458226]

>>16449924
People say this all the time and I have no idea why. History is inherently difficult to nail down so why is Gibbon's interpretation not valid at all?

[Anonymous No.16458246]

>>16450994
I disagree with Gibbon's analysis but to say he isn't worth reading or biased beyond the pale is absurd. Don't you think a lot of modern research on Rome has our biases implanted in it?

[Anonymous No.16458258]

>>16451036
Livy and Tacitus would have had tangible consequences if they wrote something that angered the wrong person. They were definitely biased in many ways

[Anonymous No.16458367]

[Anonymous No.16458440]

>>16445034
>>16445204
>>16447818
didn't the aztecs burn all the previous histories about a hundred years before Cortez arrived though?

https://historyofinformation.com/detail.php?id=3936

do these books take this into account? aztec religion/philosophy would basically be a hundred year old or so edifice rather than a completely accurate representation of their metaphysics

[Anonymous No.16458490]

>>16449732
>>16450220
mexican here

no, cartels don't do cartel things because of this, LOL

[Anonymous No.16458603]

I don't know if this guy is famous or known or what not, I just know that since I've read this I've booked up to all of his work, it's a very short read, just a hundred pages long but it's deconstructing life to a terrifying degree

[Anonymous No.16458816]

>>16458490
Shut it beanah

[Anonymous No.16458953]

>>16452998
Monotheism as Christianity (and even more so, Judaism and Islam) posit it just doesn't make any sense under this metaphysics. The idea that there can only be one thing "up there", or anywhere, is absurd. Because everything is just processes, intelligence is a process. But there's no reason an intelligence has to look like a human. The Aztecs did not see their gods as "Such-and-Such, who is in charge of X, Y, and Z". Rather, they just were. The God of War WAS war. War was an intelligent process. The god of love WAS love. Love was an intelligent process. A man is just as much a part of the land he farms as the land is part of him. They're part of a greater whole. Philosophy of the Ancient Maya plays with this, as this also applies through time. You know how we often visualize states, cities, nations, ethnicities as if they had an intelligence? A super-intelligence, as is used to describe insect colonies? That's this, but for abstract concepts.

So of course Death is a God. "God" is just "any sufficiently powerful thing that can be interacted with". Saying death isn't a thing is absurd, things die, so death must be. Death can be interacted with. They interact with death in the closest manner they can approximate: Mary.

>>16456207
There's two waves, made up of smaller waves, of entry into the Americas. The first is the "Paleo-Siberians", AKA The Red Man. Then, the Inuit show up. They're only distantly related, and the Inuit do NOT adhere to this metaphysics.

>>16458440
"Aztec" is more of a political designation than an ethnographic one. The Nahuatl people as a whole, and again ALL Paleo-Siberian peoples, adhere to this. So it's not just the Aztec, but the Maya, the Inca, even the Iroquois and the Sioux. So, yes, you're right, but EVERYONE believed in this stuff. Chocolate, vanilla, superman, it's all flavors of the same ice cream.

[Anonymous No.16459098]

>>16454455
how the fuck i´m going to read this if i don´t know german, is there an english version?

[Anonymous No.16459161]

>>16458367
Is this the hitler = vishnu lady??

[Anonymous No.16459168]

>>16458490
They do they’re just too dumb to realize it

[Anonymous No.16459760]

BUMP

[Anonymous No.16460037]

>>16450865
Why do you keep writing his name wrong? It's GIBBON—not plural; no "S."

[Anonymous No.16461100]

>>16459098
>he can't read german
Never gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.16461172]

>>16458953
>Monotheism as Christianity (and even more so, Judaism and Islam) posit it just doesn't make any sense under this metaphysics. The idea that there can only be one thing "up there", or anywhere, is absurd. Because everything is just processes, intelligence is a process. But there's no reason an intelligence has to look like a human. The Aztecs did not see their gods as "Such-and-Such, who is in charge of X, Y, and Z". Rather, they just were. The God of War WAS war. War was an intelligent process. The god of love WAS love. Love was an intelligent process. A man is just as much a part of the land he farms as the land is part of him. They're part of a greater whole. Philosophy of the Ancient Maya plays with this, as this also applies through time. You know how we often visualize states, cities, nations, ethnicities as if they had an intelligence? A super-intelligence, as is used to describe insect colonies? That's this, but for abstract concepts.
I mean anon.... thats not really that alien of a concept anon. greco-romans would go back and forth with gods being the patron of x and actually being x. and similarly later on in chistian Europe processes would be personified. or depersonified in different mediums.

[Anonymous No.16461310]

>>16444871

[Anonymous No.16461694]

this is one of the best threads I've ever seen

[Anonymous No.16461715]

>>16444871
I have no clue if this is obscure enough to count, but it's a good book.

[Anonymous No.16461985]

>>16447786
i personally didn't find it that enjoyable

[Anonymous No.16462033]

>>16461985
I think his conceptions of medieval Christianity are great in comparison to a lot of the modern discourse.

[Anonymous No.16463185]

>>16459161
Yep, the St. Paul to Hitler's Jesus

[Anonymous No.16464088]

>>16461715
Nice, I just finished that tome recently. It was not what I was expecting at all, but damn, what a wild ride.

[Anonymous No.16464156]

>>16464088
I know, right? It's such an excellent bridge piece between Christian theology and thoroughly Hermetic things like Alchemy or Qabbalah. I consider it a must read for anyone looking into such a niche subject.

[Anonymous No.16464169]

[Anonymous No.16464178]

>>16464169
Mind to type a short abstract?

[Anonymous No.16464184]

>>16464169
great fucking book, thanks for recommending it anon

[Anonymous No.16464193]

>>16444871
This is a great thread but I feel like it is going to cost me a lot of money.

[Anonymous No.16464214]

>>16464178
Not the guy you asked, but Paul Hazard sums up his book like this "The majority of Frenchmen used to think like Bossuet, but all of a sudden they now think like Voltaire: it is a revolution" (sorry for the poor translation). Hazard explains how, between 1680 to 1715 the French started to believe and think differently, how the free-thinkers destroyed tradition. It was the birth of the modern world.

[Anonymous No.16464303]

>>16444871

[Anonymous No.16464397]

[Anonymous No.16464448]

>>16464214
Interesting. Thank you for your trouble, kind anon.

[Anonymous No.16464634]

>>16452167
>it's my fault if someone, anyone, commits any kind of crime
>we should all be naked and live in the woods
thanks prophtard

[Anonymous No.16464651]

>>16450220
I'm taking the teotlpill

[Anonymous No.16464723]

>>16445025
Read it because of this post, great book. Thanks anon :)

[Anonymous No.16464817]

>>16464723
qrd?

[Anonymous No.16465163]

>>16445265

[Anonymous No.16465174]

[Anonymous No.16466429]

>>16465174
Patrician

[Anonymous No.16466597]

>>16444871

[Anonymous No.16466697]

>>16466597
the fuck is this

[Anonymous No.16466796]

Definitely the best book that Ive been reccomended on here

[Anonymous No.16466976]

>>16466697
A hidden gem.

[Anonymous No.16467449]

>>16466697
It looks like anarchist theory

[Anonymous No.16467629]

>>16449113
You can't be this fucking naïve. Any "trendy" ideas with even a hint of relevance to politics are immediately moralized, at which point accepting or rejecting them becomes a moral question and not a scholarly question and entirely outside of the scope of academic inquiry. Look at homosexuality and how it was removed from the DSM - there was no newl scholarship supporting this decision, the homosexual advocate groups just screeched so loudly and frequently that the DSM folded.

[Anonymous No.16467787]

>>16450635
>darwinist Dasein

[Anonymous No.16468185]

Moreso then any other book this has influenced the way that I think about literature, criticism, creativity, our conception of what constitutes genius in regards to creativity and general differences between the classicists and moderns (romantics/rationalists) in the aforementioned categories. The only people who read Babbitt anymore are a certain traditionalist stripe of American conservatives and even if they do Babbitt it's probably not this book. I'd recommend his entire bibliography.

[Anonymous No.16468279]

>>16448695
>Eliade
>widely debunked
Frazer yes, and Campbell yes. Frazer was an armchair anthropologist and Campbell lacked any anthropological rigor and sucked his own dick with transcendence. Not that the books and authors are not interesting, some of the ethnographic accounts in GB are 10/10.
Who debunked Eliade, and which of his works did they debunk? I’m genuinely interested.
Also thanks for the list. I’ll be checking those out

[Anonymous No.16468294]

>>16464303
I have this on my shelf. Haven’t gotten to it yet. Is it good?

[Anonymous No.16468399]

>>16449709
>Campbell is interesting, but bit of a monist, always on the verge of pop culture New Age self-help category
Campbell isn't really rigorously academic but I personally value his works on comparative mythology because the better ones (ie, the ones where he doesn't try to cram in his pet theories) are excellent as babby's first introduction to the non-Abrahamic weltanschauung. There are books that are better on any given topic but most of them are drier than silica gel.

[Anonymous No.16468706]

>>16449761
based and consumerpilled

My entire worldview is based around the Marvel Avengers francise (I'm tony stark)

[Anonymous No.16468717]

>>16466796
Somebody recommended me this on /fit/

[Anonymous No.16468930]

[Anonymous No.16470287]

>>16464397
This looks really cool, I've seen Corbin mentioned elsewhere on here.

[Anonymous No.16470331]

>>16454337
Any good English translations? I've been looking for something like this, in particular something that gets at what's wrong with intuitionism/Brouwer from beyond reverting to metaphysics.

[Anonymous No.16470342]

Uses neuroscience to btfo pure rationalism, scientism, the reformation, the enlightenment, modernism, industrialism, etc and made me appreciate art/poetry/aesthetics/social bonds a lot more. Very well written. I think it's essential reading for anyone who feels the modern world isn't necessarily an improvement over what we had and gives some insight into how to at least change your own mindset if not the mindset of Western society

[Anonymous No.16470459]

Any recommendations on Native American peoples and cultures?

[Anonymous No.16470784]

>>16458603
Just started reading this bullshit.

First couple sentences:
>Every age has its signature afflictions. Thus, a bacterial age existed;
at the latest, it ended with the discovery of antibiotics. Despite
widespread fear of an influenza epidemic, we are not living in a
viral age. Thanks to immunological technology, we have already
left it behind.

[Anonymous No.16470794]

>>16470784
He's not wrong, corona is a lie.

[Anonymous No.16470962]

>>16458603
>>16470784
Do you have a free PDF? Looks interesting

[Anonymous No.16471068]

>>16470962
It's in z library

[Anonymous No.16472222]

>>16444888
Me too. I read it in French. Most important book I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.16472262]

>>16472222
What’s so important about it

[Anonymous No.16472288]

>>16472262
Not him, reading it right now due to this thread and its pretty interesting, explaining the development of the city through the development of family, curia, and tribe in that order, with an emphasis on how different ancient thought was regarding religion and such and how it contributed to that. Basically how institutions developed in the ancient world.
Not finished with the book but so far its been great.

[Anonymous No.16472560]

I have posted already but I think this little book is alright

>>16472262
Also not him but I found it fascinating because it provided insight into how a citizen of ancient Greece thought of himself, his family and his place in the world. I have often read histories which detail notable events or era which incited in me a curiosity of how the people who actually lived then were. What was their life like, beyond the material facts of their existence? Their family life, their many superstitions, self-understand and daily rituals. This book allows you to see this, as best as possible. What is more, it details why these people were the way they were and why people are no longer.

[Anonymous No.16472785]

>>16470342
I had this book marked ages ago but couldn't find it or remember it, thanks for reminding me.

[Anonymous No.16472807]

Good thread guys, looks like i've got lots of reading to do over winter. And my bookshelf will baffle anybody who looks at it.

[Anonymous No.16473174]

It didn't really "influence my thinking," but I read this recently and enjoyed it a lot. It gets referenced a lot as a mathematical exercise or thought experiment, but the actual book isn't all that mathematical and is more of a fantastical social satire. It's short, very funny, and weirdly Lovecraftian in places.

[Anonymous No.16473334]

>>16473174
Do you go to BLM?

[Anonymous No.16473361]

>>16447144
>>16447144
Human scale is ok but it's too much of a screed for me to recommend it. Small is beautiful by em schumacher is much better

[Anonymous No.16473362]

>>16473334
What?

[Anonymous No.16473441]

Drawing for architecture by krier

[Anonymous No.16473452]

>>16473362
Boston /lit/ meetup, someone I know from there read Flatland recently lol

[Anonymous No.16473460]

>>16473452
No, that's not me.

[Anonymous No.16474064]

the commie destroyer

[Anonymous No.16474353]

>>16474064
Cringe. kys.

[Anonymous No.16474369]

>>16473361
>Small is beautiful
sounds like manlet cope desu

[Anonymous No.16474390]

>>16474064
The best take on Hegel so far, maybe ever.

[Anonymous No.16474406]

please give recommedations

[Anonymous No.16474418]

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[Anonymous No.16474572]

>>16468399

I've read Hero with a Thousand Faces and Myths of Light. I'm guessing you'd qualify the former as pseudo-psychology (with interesting information) and the latter as more worthwhile?

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[Anonymous No.16474637]

>>16464723
Thanks for the notice, anon
Glad you liked it

[Anonymous No.16474671]

>>16464817
The actual title's The Discovery of the Mind: The Greek Origins of European Thought. Just a series of essays (from Homer to Callimachus) that attempts to show how myth and the shape of the Greek language fostered future ways of thinking. Like E. R. Dodd's The Greeks and the Irrational it's an old book that's still frequently cited.

[Anonymous No.16474699]

>>16474418
i'm going to propose this to my reading group. thanks for the rec.

[Anonymous No.16474715]

>>16474572
Yeah, pretty much. I like to tell people to start with Myths to Live By and then move to the Masks of God if they want more after that.

[Anonymous No.16474730]

>>16456314
The Space of Literature has a similar has an involuted density, not unlike the experience of reading Plotinus.

[Anonymous No.16475219]

Robert Lyall's Travels in Russia, 1825

Sorry for small image. If you're a fan of that channel about Japanese and other perspectives on certain things then I ighly recommened this

I love how he announces his loyalty ti King Geroge III at the beginning of the book

[Anonymous No.16475438]

>>16473452
BLM obviously refers to the melanin enriched in the current year, so it sounded strange.

[Anonymous No.16475472]

Has anyone here read Robert Grave's interpretation of Greek myths?

[Anonymous No.16476265]

>>16475472
I have and it's okay but weirdly euhemeristic. Covers much in the way of the myths themselves but formulaic so feels more like a reference book (I've read both parts- the first mythographies I ever read, in fact). Read Calasso's Marriage of Cadmus and Harmony or Walter Otto's The Homeric Gods, instead.

[Anonymous No.16476864]

>>16475219
What channel is that, anon?

[Anonymous No.16476885]

Supremely based thread, You guys are alright hope to see you at school tomorrow

[Anonymous No.16477152]

A shame that the richness of this thread doesn't refract through the entire board. Truly based.