/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16438592]

books that explain why old hags made lolis illegal?

[Anonymous No.16438663]

>>16438592
Is all power illegitimate

[Anonymous No.16438721]

>>16438592
Loli is popular in Japan because its age of consent laws is 13.

[Anonymous No.16438731]

>>16438721
>Loli is popular in Japan because its age of consent laws is 13.
it's a bit more complicated than that
also 13 year olds aren't lolis.

[Anonymous No.16438739]

>>16438721
>tfw no loli to snuggle and read with
why live

[Anonymous No.16438756]

>>16438592
Literally Assemblywomen by Aristophanes

[Anonymous No.16438757]

>>16438731

[Anonymous No.16438761]

>>16438592
Jealousy

[Anonymous No.16438767]

>>16438761
>mfw when Americans

[Anonymous No.16438773]

>>16438767

[Anonymous No.16438779]

>>16438767
>>16438773
It's the future you chose, burgers.

[Anonymous No.16438782]

>>16438757
>they took this from you

[Anonymous No.16438793]

>>16438782

[Anonymous No.16438797]

>>16438793

[Anonymous No.16438800]

>>16438797

[Anonymous No.16438808]

>>16438782
>Sneedville

[Anonymous No.16438810]

>>16438782
>>16438782
>>16438782
>>16438793
Go back to the middle east pedo scum

[Anonymous No.16438811]

>>16438782
Sneedville became Chuckville on their wedding night

[Shakespeare No.16438812]

>>16438782
>>16438793
fuck I just realized I want that; it's so wholesome!

[Anonymous No.16438814]

>>16438757
daily reminder

[Anonymous No.16438821]

>>16438810
>refuses to fug horny preteen girls so muhammad has to do it for him.

[Anonymous No.16438829]

never change /lit/

[Anonymous No.16438833]

>>16438810
Don't mind if i do.

[Anonymous No.16438838]

Foucault was a literal cumbrain

[Anonymous No.16438842]

OP here, no one has recommended me any books yet.
This was a serious question and now i'm gonna get an off topic b& because you fucked up my thread.

Thx.

[Anonymous No.16438848]

>>16438731
wtf Japan why are women given a misdemeanor for 3 crimes that give men a felony

[Anonymous No.16438853]

>>16438842
you had a nice meme, but you had to be a pedo and shit up your own thread

[Anonymous No.16438856]

>>16438592
Lolis are the passion of my existence. One might even go so far as to say that they are the light of my life and the fire of my loins. As such, I present you with a selection of passages resembling poetry created in heated moments of passion by none other than yours truly. Enjoy.

I want to have sex with a loli.
I want to have sex with a loli.
I want to have sex with a loli.
I want to have sex with a loli.

Will a loli ever die?
No good sir, she's ever spry.
Will a loli ever age?
No good sir, she'd lose her wage.

Lolis smell better than a blooming flower.
Lolis taste better than a sprout of cauliflower.
Lolis look better than any supermodel.
Lolis feel better than my water bottle.
Lolis sound better than a robot.
Lolis think better than Immanuel Kant.

Lolis are fun, lolis are good.
Fuck a loli like you should.
Lolis are cute, lolis are pure.
Sex with lolis is the cure.
Lolis are hot, lolis are great.
Take a loli on a date.
Lolis are love. Lolis are life.
Soon you'll have a loli wife.

Lolis cum and lolis go.
Lolis prancing to-and-fro.
Lolis whisper in your ear.
Lolis stroke your fleshen spear.
Lolis can set you alight.
Lolis will make you ignite.
Lolis are precocious dames.
Lolis leave your life in flames.

Lolis love cum. Lolis love dick.
I want a loli to suck me quick.
Lolis love to lick sweaty ass.
I want a loli to jerk me fast.
Lolis love to swallow cum.
I want a loli to have some fun!

See a loli. She looks neat.
Taste a loli. Sweet little treat.
Hear a loli. She sounds funny!
Touch a loli. Touch her cunny.
Smell a loli. She smells sweet.

Loli tastes good on my tongue.
Loli says that I'm so hung.
Loli wants me to go down.
Loli gets taken to town.
Loli gets her cunny licked.
Loli gets her cunny dicked.
Loli moans in carnal pleasure.
Loli takes my pearly treasure.
Loli snuggles up with me.
Loli is cute as can be.

How many lolis can you lick?
How many lolis can you dick?
How many lolis make you cum?
How many lolis lick your bum?
How many lolis suck your cock?
How many lolis use TikTok?

Suck a loli's undeveloped nips.
Kiss a loli's perfect little lips.
Pound a loli's precious flower;
Demonstrate your phallic power.
Make a loli squirm and cum
While you kiss her, use your tongue.
Finish deep inside her cunny;
Holy shit she's cute and funny.

Lay a loli on her bed.
Kiss her and her face turns red.
Gently brush her hair aside.
Probe your fingers deep inside.
Make her squeal and make her squirm
Till your cock gets nice and firm.
Spread her precious cunny wide
And take that loli for a ride.
Breed her till she falls asleep
With your cock still buried deep.
Snuggle her and hold her tight.
Keep her body warm tonight.

[Anonymous No.16438863]

>>16438853
>pedo
Anything starting from puberty is fair game.

[Anonymous No.16438869]

>>16438842
Enjoy.

[Anonymous No.16438871]

>>16438814
peaked at 14, right around puberty. therefore ideal to marry a year or two before that to train her properly.

ephebes confirmed master race

[Anonymous No.16438873]

>>16438853
Stop using made up feminist words.

[Anonymous No.16438880]

>>16438871
She peaked at 12.
14 isn't "right around puberty"
It's nearing the end. Consult >>16438863

[Anonymous No.16438888]

>amerilards not allowed to sex their women until 18
>amerilard women look like webm related at 13
Kek

[Anonymous No.16438896]

>>16438888
oh shit

[Anonymous No.16438917]

>>16438793
>>16438797
>>16438800
may allah not forgive you

[Anonymous No.16438921]

>>16438917
why would Allah have a problem with it? No abrahamic religion, or really any religion at all has a problem with it.

[Anonymous No.16439582]

>>16438842
Duvert, Good Sex Illustrated

[Jesus No.16439888]

>>16438592
increased life expectancy made also people so much more toxic.

[Anonymous No.16439980]

>>16438814
impossible to refute, tragic as it is

[Anonymous No.16440180]

>>16438592
Plato's Symposium and Laws, unironically. In both texts he gives the first arguments against pedophilia you can find in Western philosophy.
Tl;dr: it is unjustifiable on two ground:
1) in Symposium it is proven that the pedophile does not really love children: he always uses them. As such, you could not justify it morally even in an universe in which children could consensually take part in sexual relationships with adults. Also, of course
2) we don't live in such a universe, as it is argued in the first book of Laws, so not only you're using children, but you're also severely harming them (and by proxy, it pedophilia is normalized, you're harming society as a whole by taking part to a prsctice which systematically ruins thr youth's prospects).

[Anonymous No.16440188]

>>16438592
Is this a gender war thread?
I'm I gonna have to spam the pics?

[Anonymous No.16440477]

>>16440180
Provide a quote.

[Anonymous No.16440628]

>>16440477
Later, I'm phoneposting now and I cannot be bothered to do that. Just check Socrates' speech and Book I of Laws (the part against pedophilia is at the beginning of the argumentation)

[Anonymous No.16440719]

>>16440628
What you are referring was about pederastry and hedonism.
There wasn't a time in history where you weren't able to marry a 9 year old girl if you wanted to.

[Anonymous No.16440741]

>>16440180
I think you missed the point of the Symposium. You are not supposed to view Pausanias' speech as more important than the others.

Also the arguments that are made are not specifically against underage sex, but all sex. Socrates rejects the adult Alcibiades, because he does not give into base urges but instead rationally contemplates beauty itself. The argument is that all sex is bad.

[Anonymous No.16440809]

based thread

[Anonymous No.16440837]

>>16438863
How is this not accepted? These are relatively clear guides that are directly based on a biological basis and can be independently assessed on every individual.

[Anonymous No.16440860]

>>16440837
>what is mental maturity

[Anonymous No.16440869]

>>16440860
Old enough to kill, old enough to take cock.

[Anonymous No.16440871]

>>16440860
Precisely the type of psychobabble impossible to assess externally that shouldn't be used in legal matters if there is anything better available.
Besides >sex requiring "mental maturity".

[Anonymous No.16440877]

>>16440860
>>what is mental maturity

Not directly correlated with age. Many people are immature as adults. Should they not be allowed to have sex? How would you measure this maturity objectively?

I get that there has to be some sort of line to reduce exploitation, but pretending it is perfect and objective is ridiculous. It is a compromise, I see no reason to pretend otherwise.

[Anonymous No.16440885]

>>16440871
>>16440877
It's not that they're not mature for sex, it's the power the adult has over a child to manipulate and exploit them.

[Anonymous No.16440887]

>>16438731
>ladies get 3 misdemeanors for under 13
>guys get 3 felonies for under 13
something seems a bit off about this

[Anonymous No.16440893]

>>16440719
The Symposium disqualifies heterosexual lust too

[Anonymous No.16440897]

>>16440741
Yes, that's my point. Read the post again.

[Anonymous No.16440920]

>>16440893
what does that have to do with marrying 9 year olds?

[Anonymous No.16440922]

>>16440885
The exact same retarded argument can be made in general about men "exploiting" women, or even more for women "exploiting" men (a woman does exploit the man that desires her ten times more than she does him).
Applied consistently it would also forbid rich men from fucking poor girls and people in position of power (politicians, industrialists, etc) would also be forbidden from dating. Xi Jinping (say) certainly has more power over a plebeian woman than a random non-family adult has over a 12 year old.
It is a strange excuse that, if correct, would "prove" far too much, and is only and inconsistently applied in the cases that those waving it happen to dislike.

[Anonymous No.16440954]

>>16438731
>>16438848
>>16440887
So women can have sex with an under 13 year old boy in Japan while only being charged with a misdemeanor. Meanwhile it's a felony for men who do it with a girl.
Meanwhile, girls begin puberty much earlier than boys do, which makes the Japanese law even more absurd.

I don't know much about Japan, but looking at their birth rates and how much they work, it must be a spiritually draining place to live in. At least they have cohesion and high trust though.

[Anonymous No.16440999]

In my country consent age is 14.

[Anonymous No.16441020]

>>16440999
>14 year olds
Old hags, basically MILFs.

[Anonymous No.16441038]

>>16438663
what would legitimate mean here?

[Anonymous No.16441053]

>>16441020
How old is gif related?

[Anonymous No.16441099]

>>16441053
It's a webm, holy shit.

[Anonymous No.16441118]

>>16441099
Ok, how old is webm girl?

[Anonymous No.16441145]

>>16441118
probably around 15

[Anonymous No.16441171]

a 16 year old in 1800 is not the same as a 16 year old in 2020. things change and society changes with it. deal with it pedos

[Anonymous No.16441195]

>>16441171
16 year olds in 2020 are fitter, taller, better educated, more nourished and have much more power than they did in 1800
so uh, try again sweaty.

[Anonymous No.16441218]

>>16441171
You are right in a way. With the burger nutrition people enter puberty way sooner than in previous ages.
A 16 year old in 1800 would be very young looking to us. A 16 year old in Antiquity would be a bona fide loli/shota.

[Anonymous No.16441239]

>>16441218
>people enter puberty way sooner than in previous ages
>A 16 year old in Antiquity would be a bona fide loli/shota.
no they fucking wouldn't lmao.
people didn't begin puberty earlier then. girls just had periods later, and even then that wasn't always the case, as we think medieval girls had their menarche earlier than industrial girls.

there are studies done on modern hunter gatherer societies and their pubertal process is not different than ours at all.
jesus christ, 16 year olds were killing eachother in pre antiquity too.
you think shotas were duking it out? lmao. holy shit, the crap people believe.

[Anonymous No.16441272]

>>16441239
>you think shotas were duking it out?
Straton of sardis is quite explicit in the description of the boys he thought good for fucking, which he extends to 16 years of age, and the desceription is clearly that of an early adolescent.

[Anonymous No.16441282]

>>16440809
>t.

[Anonymous No.16441286]

>>16441239
>>16441272
Besides, 16 years old being drafted is not incredible at all. Napoleon's armies and those of his enemies were still full of them, and even noticeably younger boys running lowly tasks around camps.

[Anonymous No.16441298]

>>16440877
Have you ever talked to a highschool girl you retard

[Anonymous No.16441307]

>>16441272
unless you can quote me on a description he used for a 16 year old... peoples pubertal processes have not changed for as long as humans have existed. it's a biological mechanism.
>>16441286
>16 years old being drafted is not incredible at all
16 year olds aren't in the prime of their fitness
and in a case of total war, they would have no choice and but to fight anyway.

[Anonymous No.16441315]

>>16441298
they don't seem any more "mentally mature" than older women.
also, i prefer middle schoolers.

[Anonymous No.16441345]

Anyone else find it disturbing that most normies main objection to pedophilia is that they get icky gross feelings when imagining anything sexual with children or childrens bodies? It's like the actual damage done to abused children is secondary and their rage is really just fueled by "I find this gross and so should you"

[Anonymous No.16441355]

>>16438767
>>16438773
>>16438779
Why are americans like this

[Anonymous No.16441366]

>>16438782
Not really unwholesome as long as you wait until she starts bleeding to start fucking

[Anonymous No.16441416]

>>16441345
You are correct, even the "muh abused children" thing is mostly a meme.
First of all rape, coercion, exploitation are all terrible, full stop.

A woman wrote an entire book about this, called The Trauma Myth. She did a meta-analysis of all available studies on child sex results, and found the following:
1. The act of sex itself was usually wonderful and relaxing for the young girl.
2. The trauma came from the bombardment of society: child protective services, psychologists, prescription drugs for assumed-anxiety, press releases, jailed adults, etc. They felt like shit after that. But not during the act itself.
3. The women who went through liberal sexuality at a young age and never got caught, grew up to be incredibly confident and happy women, far happier than the national average, far less likely to commit suicide than the national average, and completely in control of their own bodies and sexuality. They felt free as a bird for having shaken the shackles of society.

[Anonymous No.16441419]

>>16441307
I was answering your claims that early adolescents couldn't fight. Yes they can, and it was even standard for large parts of history.
>>16441307
>peoples pubertal processes have not changed for as long as humans have existed. it's a biological mechanism.
Its speed and triggers are quite dependent on lifestyle especially nutrition.
For Straton, his 16 as a limit on boy's age for being fucked is found on epigram 4 of the Boyish Muse. His description of the boys is spread on the whole book. It's not liek I'm going to reread the entire faggot manual to provide citations, but already on epigram 10 he dismisses the appearance of body hair, and I remember him doing so several times. According to >>16438863
this happens today at 13, and even at 11 in the most relevant areas.

[Anonymous No.16441444]

>>16441416
It depends how young the girl is and how nice the pedo is. If they're careful and don't hurt the child and try to make the comfortable this is mostly true, but physical abuse that scares the children, makes the uncomfortable, or causes pain (sadly not uncommon), can cause a lot of trauma issues or even DID in extreme cases, which will onset before they know what the trauma means socially.

[Anonymous No.16441471]

>>16441416
>The women who went through liberal sexuality at a young age and never got caught, grew up to be incredibly confident and happy women, far happier than the national average, far less likely to commit suicide than the national average, and completely in control of their own bodies and sexuality. They felt free as a bird for having shaken the shackles of society.
I think this was true in the past but not very true today, most girls will be indoctrinated into internet woke culture which will cause them to be shamed and disgusted about what happened even if they were never caught.

[Anonymous No.16441489]

>>16441419
>I was answering your claims that early adolescents couldn't fight.
16 year olds aren't early adolescents.
>>16441419
as for the faggot manual for fucking boys, it can say whatever. i'll take his word for it but i don't like little boys.
all the social fags I know started fucking as soon as they were able.
>Its speed and triggers are quite dependent on lifestyle especially nutrition.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16311040/
>More than 20,000 years ago, in small hunter-gatherer societies, scientists estimate the age range of menarche was similar to what it is now, between seven and 13 years.
>At the start of agricultural settlement 2,000 years ago, the age of menarche increased. Girls weren’t able to reproduce until they were a few years older, around 15 years of age.
>During the industrial revolution, the average age of menarche increased to 16-17 years, likely a result of overcrowding and poor childhood nutrition and hygiene.
>In the nineteenth and early 20th centuries, we saw a marked decrease in the age of puberty, largely due to better nutrition, hygiene and health.
>Over the last 100 years the age of puberty has varied, even decade to decade, with girls from the United Kingdom, Canada and the United States born in the 1960s reporting the oldest age of puberty onset, at 13.37 years.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12006712/
>girls begin puperty at an earlier age if they moved from a developing country – where nutritional food may be limited – to a developed country. The body needs to be assured it has adequate fat mass to enter the reproductive phase – it’s basically the human body’s way of saying “I am ready”.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19144224/
>“stress” in the womb (such as nutritional deficits), as well biological or psychological stress in childhood, can alter the hormone levels in the body and, in some cases, promote earlier sexual development.

Oestrogen levels due to plastic may cause girls starting puberty earlier today, but studies have shown to be inconclusive. it's difficult to isolate for, more research is needed.

[Anonymous No.16441494]

>>16441315
All you care for is fulfilling your sexual desires. This is not the purpose of a relationship.

[Anonymous No.16441504]

Everyone in this thread probably has difficulty criticizing Islam because the most obvious criticism is usually related to something like this.

[Anonymous No.16441510]

>>16441504
I thought the main criticism was oppressing women and throwing faggots from rooftops

[Anonymous No.16441518]

>>16441494
why would having a relationship with a 30 year old woman be more fulfilling than with a 12 year old?

[Anonymous No.16441528]

>>16441510
he's probably a /pol/ak. they don't see an issue with oppressing womyns and throwing fags off rooftops.
but when it comes to MUH CHILDERINOS, even /pol/ can't help but virtue signal.

[Anonymous No.16441529]

>>16441298
Girls who are boring to talk to as highschoolers don't become interesting to talk to as adults. Adult women who are interesting to talk to were interesting to talk to in highschool. Maturity is largely a myth that comes from people overestimating their own progress and propping them up through a sense of superiority to those younger than them, as if living longer was an achievement.

[Anonymous No.16441539]

>>16441518
>12 year old
Might as well just get a flashlight coomer. No one is denying that younger women are more attractive however, we all know you people don't give a shit about the person you just care about indulging in your degenerate sexual desires. This is contrary to the purpose of marriage and sex.

[Anonymous No.16441574]

>>16441539
>might as well get a fleshlight
you're literally dehumanizing the girl and calling me a coomer degenerate.
12 year olds aren't fucking retarded. they're capable of thinking critically and that's just around the perfect age to build a life long inseparable bond.
>This is contrary to the purpose of marriage and sex.
i don't like pumping and dumping, but the morality of the act doesn't change with their age.

[Anonymous No.16441589]

>>16441539
By 12 you have capability for abstract thought, which is the major milestone for mental maturation even though your brain will continue to finish things up for the next decade. Teenagers lack experience but their traits, personalities and capabilities are mostly developed. The only thing really lacking is common social experience or circle due the age difference and experience gap, but this would be developed after marriage. You're only capable of thinking about the moment and not the potential for the future. You probably think arranged marriages are always wrong too.

[Anonymous No.16441613]

>>16441574
It's interesting how these fags which are all about protecting the "children" also barely see them as human beings.

[Anonymous No.16441633]

>>16441613
Maybe that guy sees 12 year olds as good for something besides fucking

[Anonymous No.16441639]

>>16441613
What would your age of consent be then?

[Anonymous No.16441645]

>>16441639
Age of consent is a faulty concept but I understand why it exists. I'm not interested in dictating what's best for society just what can or can't be the case in individual cases.

[Anonymous No.16441661]

>>16441416
>The trauma came from the bombardment of society
Is it another case of children falling down and looking at the reaction of adults around them to know whether they should cry or laugh?

>>16441504
>difficulty criticizing Islam
I hate Islam for its Gnostic influences, its pseudo-Arianism, its mixing of vice, crime and sin and subsequent legalism, its millenarism, its hero worship of the complete retard that founded it, its iconoclasm, its fatalism.
I don't give a fuck they beat women and faggots. Actually those are positives.

[Anonymous No.16441665]

>>16441639
>age of consent
The state should fuck off from that.

[Anonymous No.16441687]

>>16441665
Your fantasy will never be fulfilled.

[Anonymous No.16441694]

>>16441687
Its not a thing in muslim states

[Anonymous No.16441709]

>>16441687
I don't follow stupid laws anyway.

[Anonymous No.16441773]

>>16441694
>converting to islam to fulfill your degenerate coomer desires

[Anonymous No.16441776]

>>16441687
It has already happened for most of history. Saying it's never happening again because end-of-history or something is daring.

[Anonymous No.16441945]

>>16438663
for foucault, power creates knowledge that justifies itself, discourses are autonomous in this way, you don't need to appeal to someone outside
>>16438767
lol, currently dating 17 y/o as a 24, feels good man.
>>16438782
looks nice
>>16438842
trauma myth (it's funny, I've made a couple of threads about this book like half a year ago when no one was talking about it and now its posted in every pedo-related thread. Based it is) is the best book about it because it provides both first-hand psychological and historical-political contexts. Also Foucault History of Sexuality pt1. Also some publications that analize this book, e.g. "Foucault, Feminism and sex crimes" has a based thesis that follows Foucault's argument about pedophilia and rape being differently understood in different epochs.
>>16440180
in Symposium (and Phaedro) it's not against pedophilia per se, but against excessive Eros.

[Anonymous No.16441953]

>>16441945
>lol, currently dating 17 y/o as a 24, feels good man.
What made you decide to groom a child?

[Anonymous No.16441970]

>>16441953
lol, she was more assertive and dominant when we first met up, no joke. And I'm not particularly shy-incel kind of guy.

[Anonymous No.16441976]

>>16441970
You do realize it's your responsibility as an adult to ignore and decline the sexual advances of children, right? They don't know what they're doing.

[Anonymous No.16441986]

>>16441416
thats not the conclusion of that book at all lol

[Anonymous No.16442006]

>>16441976
>They don't know what they're doing.
you haven't met a lot of 17 year olds I guess. But all jokes aside, internet will make pedo-hysteria look really dumb in some 5-10 years. Right now 12 year olds have watched every kind of porn genre possible. 10 year olds left to their phones will have seen more fucked up stuff than dozen of their lineages combined. Sexual knowledge is no longer forbidden, so the image of "sweet innocent boy/girl" will start to turn pale

[Anonymous No.16442021]

>>16442006
I don't really expect the cognitive dissonance to decrease, right now it's just shit about how these poor innocent children are just playing pretend based on what they consume and they aren't really ready, and it's all societies fault for sexualizing them etc

[Anonymous No.16442024]

>>16442006
>Right now 12 year olds have watched every kind of porn genre possible
You think that's a good thing?

[Anonymous No.16442051]

>>16442024
Not any worse than porn being endemic in society at all. Doesn't make a difference if they're 12 or 18 watching that shit

[Anonymous No.16442052]

>>16441976
hehe, oh yes they do, my niece is quite knowledgeable.

[Anonymous No.16442065]

>>16442052
Are you the anon with the 14 year old niece you wanted to fuck? How is that going?

[Anonymous No.16442074]

>>16442051
No one should be watching porn. It is a blight on society and it is a sin against chastity.

[Anonymous No.16442076]

>>16442021
might be true. But I don't suppose victimhood culture will last forever. Sooner or later, someone will give a voice to an affirmative position in regards to children sexuality (like it was in 60's). It doesn't take too much to rekindle the light.
>>16442024
No, pedo relations would be counter to that imo. A healthy way of introduction to sexuality compared to the internet. This or just sexual education very early on.

[Anonymous No.16442086]

>>16442076
>affirmative position in regards to children sexuality (like it was in 60's).
Collaborate

[Anonymous No.16442087]

>>16442024
Not him, but no, porn is degenerate but genuine sexual relationships are not. 12 year old girls are quite capabale and most understand what sex is, of course things like pregnancy should be avoided at this age but sex if both are willing is just fun.

[Anonymous No.16442089]

>>16442074
yeah, no one should be killing others, but it is inevitable. Stop living in a dreamland, bucko

[Anonymous No.16442096]

>>16442065
Not him, my niece is 11 and she is adorable.

[Anonymous No.16442104]

>>16442087
If they can get pregnant, pregnancy should not be avoided.

[Anonymous No.16442110]

>>16442104
It can fuck up their bodies at 12-14 because hips still too small though

[Anonymous No.16442116]

>>16442104
Women can get pregnant even in their late 40s and 50s, doesn't mean they shouldat that age.

[Anonymous No.16442121]

>>16442116
Women should be constantly pregnant from first blood to menopause. If it kills them it's natural selection at work

[Anonymous No.16442124]

>>16442110
No it doesn't. That's a myth.
>Adverse medical effects of teenage pregnancies have been reported mainly in quite old studies dated back to the 1950s. At this time, teenage pregnancies were seen as obstetric problems per se, which are associated with an increased risk of anemia, preterm labor, urinary tract infections, hypertension, preeclampsia, a high rate of cesarean sections but also preterm birth, low birth weight, and intrauterine growth restriction.
>These observations, however, are based on studies among social-deprived subpopulations and from third-world countries with very poor medical conditions.
>In this study, it could be shown that very young mothers (<15a) were quite immature, they were significantly shorter and lighter than older mothers, even older adolescent mothers. Furthermore, they gave birth to significantly smaller and lighter newborns. On the other hand—although breech presentation was quite high—the cesarean section rate—indicating birth complications—was significantly lower than among older mothers, even lower than among late adolescent mothers. Considering in contrast to the incidence of obstetrical risks such as cesarean section or adverse child presentation, such problems are low in comparison to older gravida.
>Therefore, we can conclude that teenage pregnancies—even among early adolescent mothers aging below 15 years—are not associated with increased obstetrical risks.
https://www.intechopen.com/books/an-analysis-of-contemporary-social-welfare-issues/teenage-pregnancies-a-worldwide-social-and-medical-problem

The body isn't retarded. It knows when it can give birth.

[Anonymous No.16442133]

>>16442121
Everything you people stand for is wrong. It's egocentric and disgusting.
>inb4 le epic stirner who cares about morality anon

[Anonymous No.16442134]

>>16442124
>The body isn't retarded
The rest of what you said might be right but this isn't, the body is very retarded with lots of redundancies and things that can fuck up for not good reason

[Anonymous No.16442140]

>>16442133
They don't have to be pregnant if they don't want to be.
Trust me though, they do.

[Anonymous No.16442170]

>>16442086
you mean elaborate? The basic argument of mine is that after 80's the predominant position in regards to children sexuality is reactive. Mainly, due to the part feminism has played the role in defining it. Feminist movements only looked at pedo relations trough the abuser-abused dichotomy, which is the negation of children sexuality and all of the possibilities that come up with it (that's what I mean by "reactive"). This narrative is a product of the victimhood culture and will last until it is predominant in Western societies.

When the "sexual revolution" of the 60's happened it was very different. Foucault and others (the infamous petition) wanted to decriminalize all pedo relations and abolish AOC. There were sexual relations in kindergarten in Germany. England had its pedo movement, USA too. It meant opening up to the possibilities of adult-child sex, finding new ways to think about it, instead of repeating the mantra that children are victims in all cases. It was something like that in ancient Greece. The topic of pedophilia was not something that is explained away by moralistic/legal/political predominant discourses, but was an area of contest.

[Anonymous No.16442213]

>>16442170
Ancient Greece was degenerate.
There is only acceptable type of child adult relationship that is younger girl (who hit puberty) and older male who is not a close blood relative (no closer than uncle), of course it cannot be forced.

[Anonymous No.16442228]

>>16442213
>Degeneracy
Literally not an argument. How will rubbing my dingus against 8 year old cunny cause the downfall of civilization?

[Anonymous No.16442233]

>>16442213
which culture wasnt degenerate? Which culture is progressive? Was Greece culture more degenerate by discussing children and their sexuality in nuanced and philosophical way than our, where we nicely ignore the fact that children now have access to all the fucked up shit?

[Anonymous No.16442249]

>>16442213
>uncle
>not close blood relative

[Anonymous No.16442280]

>>16442233
Degeneracy is not even an argument if you're any brand of traditionalist because civilization is inherently entropic.

[Anonymous No.16442287]

>>16441986
What was the conclusion?

[Anonymous No.16442310]

>>16442287
Don't touch little girls

[Anonymous No.16442311]

>>16442280
yeah, its funny when trads shit on pedophilia, when it was literally the progressives, feminists and modernity in general that put a big fat "verboten" sign on pedo relations.

[Anonymous No.16442325]

>>16442311
Theres a difference between age of consent being 14 or 15 and someone with a 9 year old

[Anonymous No.16442326]

>>16442310
Little girls want to be touched just as much as anyone else.

[Anonymous No.16442338]

>>16442325
I think everyone on this world would agree with you, what are you implying?

[Anonymous No.16442344]

>>16442310
Little girls want to be touched just as much as anyone else.
>>16442325
what is the difference

[Anonymous No.16442359]

>>16442344
I know this is a tactic used by roasties but what if that was your daughter? I'm talking about prepubescent girls here. Stop trying to deny that it's wrong anon.

[Anonymous No.16442364]

>>16442359
Men never want their daughter getting fucked no matter how old she is, they're just expected to accept it when she's an adult.

[Anonymous No.16442369]

>>16438592
This is why PoMos are hatable. Age of consent laws are not there for any reason but protection. The literature is clear. Minors cannot consent, and sexual encounters at a young age is harmful to their identity.

You are NOT above the law.

[Anonymous No.16442375]

>>16442369
>minors
So capacity for consent changes along country borders. Interesting.

[Anonymous No.16442376]

>>16442359
if she was my daughter i'd make sure she be married off to a good young man she shared a mutual attraction with see >>16438782
preteens oodle at boy bands and shit, you think they don't feel attraction?

[Anonymous No.16442377]

>>16441661
>Is it another case of children falling down and looking at the reaction of adults around them to know whether they should cry or laugh?

Here's a (You) for mentioning something that I hate seeing parents do.

[Anonymous No.16442388]

>>16442375
Its not rocket science, legally it should be between 16-19 perhaps, but socially we should shun men 28 of up who go for 20 year olds or below.

[Anonymous No.16442391]

>>16442369
>Minors cannot consent, and sexual encounters at a young age is harmful to their identity.
factually incorrect, read the trauma myth
> Age of consent laws are not there for any reason but protection.
yes, but also pedo-hysteria harms children when they do have sex that is not harmful initially
>You are NOT above the law.
im the ubermensch

[Anonymous No.16442396]

>>16442326
Can confirm, my niece loves it. She is a bit shy or distant, or just not the type of person to initiate contact, when I am visiting she would sit some distance from me playing with her phone, talking or whatever and I would just hug her and then cuddle with her, after that she won't leave my side and even beg me to stay the night so we could spend more time together, mind you it isn't sexual (yet). God, I love touching her and hugging her so much.

[Anonymous No.16442402]

>>16442369
>You are NOT above the law.

[Anonymous No.16442407]

>>16442396
sounds cute as fuck.

[Anonymous No.16442418]

>>16442388
> legally it should be between 16-19 perhaps, but socially we should shun men 28 of up who go for 20 year olds or below.

[Anonymous No.16442425]

>>16442391
>im the ubermensch
>>16442402
Dont play a victim when society shows you the same coldness that you espouse.

[Anonymous No.16442429]

>>16442364
Is that true though? I don't have kids but I can't see myself objecting or even not liking it if my future daughter is enjoying her life with her husband (who is also a decent person). It just makes no sense to be so concerned about what other people might be doing together in bed.

[Anonymous No.16442431]

>>16442388
>>16442388
>legally it should be between 16-19 perhaps, but socially we should shun men 28 of up who go for 20 year olds or below.

[Anonymous No.16442435]

>>16442213
>not young pubescent boy with late-teen/early-twenties girl

[Anonymous No.16442436]

>>16442425
i am not a victim of anything and society is already cold and apathetic.

[Anonymous No.16442437]

>>16442364
>>16442429
If you marry your daughter off before shes fully matured, you are a terrible father.

[Anonymous No.16442449]

>>16442436
You being a faggot incel is not close to the coldness you will feel when you are repeatedly raped in prison i assure you.

[Anonymous No.16442451]

>>16442429
It's not inherently true but it's a common thing. That's where the common joke/stereotype of fathers being aggressive towards their daughters' boyfriends and forbidding them from dating come from. Father of the bride type stuff

[Anonymous No.16442454]

>>16442437
what the fuck is fully matured?
25?
why does she have to be "fully matured", and why are you implying it'd be against her will?

[Anonymous No.16442455]

>>16442369
>Identity
>the Law
Pathetic

[Anonymous No.16442464]

>>16442449
boohoo, get the fuck off my board.

[Anonymous No.16442465]

>>16442449
lol, lose arguments and start calling names, ok sweaty

[Anonymous No.16442469]

>>16442464
Go where you belong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUhxBQqDbeY

[Anonymous No.16442480]

>>16442449
>fetishistic prison rape fantasies
that's gonna be a yikes from me sweaty

[Anonymous No.16442488]

>>16442454
Women always have the rigjt to retroactively change their mind about if they consented and are more likely to do so about men they fucked as teens

[Anonymous No.16442513]

How long until the left deconstructs the idea of "consent" altogether? It can't be quantified or proven, there are already girls who say "Yes" to sex but afterwards claim they were intimidated and felt like they couldn't say no. Taken to it's logical conclusion consent is impossible to grasp externally.

[Anonymous No.16442520]

>>16442435
I am of opinion that men should prove their worth first (at the very least to themselves), then they will gain sufficient self confidence and will be able to find a woman/mate etc, usually this happen when boys reach at least the age of 16, but if it happens,earlier I have no objection.
Just having an older more experienced woman seduce young boy will likely result in most beta male ever who will forever be obsesed with nothing else but relationship with older female.
Of course situation changes drastically if it is older male and younger female and above doesn't apply to such relationship.

[Anonymous No.16442532]

>>16442520
This isn't true. Nothing gave me more confidence than being pursued by an older woman and learning how to please an experienced woman.

Girls my age think I'm great at sex and must be very promiscuous despite only having 2 gfs.

[Anonymous No.16442551]

>>16442520
See >>16442532
Getting pussy is the ultimate confidence boost for men

[Anonymous No.16442561]

>>16442451
When I was a dumb teenager I was fucking scared meeting my gf parents, epecially her dad, but with my last gf I met her dad and I was nice and respectable, relationship didn't work out because of her but I still keep in contact with her family (for various reasons) and her dad told me many times he approved of us.

[Anonymous No.16442568]

>>16442469
social shaming doesn't work here. this isn't twitter.
the fact i make you seeth somewhat brings me joy.
though, i pity you.
you peddle the dogma of whatever the accepted status quo is because it suits you.
telling me i belong in a prison isn't insulting, today I do tomorrow I don't.
that which society believes in is in constant fieri, eventually we all come around.

[Anonymous No.16442572]

>>16442513
>How long until the left deconstructs the idea of "consent" altogether?
zizek has already done that

>"“Affirmative, conscious, and voluntary agreement” – by whom? The first thing to do here is to mobilize the Freudian triad of Ego, Superego, and Id (in simplified version: my conscious self-awareness, the agency of moral responsibility enforcing norms on me, and my deepest half-disavowed passions). What if there is a conflict between the three? Under the pressure of the Superego, my Ego say NO, but my Id resists and clings to the denied desire? Or (a much more interesting case) the opposite: I say YES to the sexual invitation, surrendering to my Id passion, but in the midst of performing the act, my Superego triggers an unbearable guilt feeling? So, to bring things to the absurd, should the contract be signed by the Ego, Superego and Id of each party, so that it is valid only if all three say YES? Plus what if the male partner also uses his contractual right to step back and cancel the agreement at any moment in the sexual activity? Imagine that, after obtaining the woman’s consent, when the prospective lovers find themselves naked in bed, some tiny bodily detail (an unpleasant sound like a vulgar belching) dispels the erotic charm and makes the man withdraw? Is this not in itself an extreme humiliation for the woman?"

https://sendika63.org/2017/06/sexual-is-not-political-slavoj-zizek-425922/

[Anonymous No.16442582]

>>16442572
Freudian models are fucking awful. I'd say I don't know why the left still jacks him off so much but I do

[Anonymous No.16442595]

>>16442359
>>16442359
if she was my daughter i'd make sure she be married off to a good young man she shared a mutual attraction with see >>16438782
preteens oodle at boy bands and shit, you think they don't feel attraction?

[Anonymous No.16442615]

>>16442551
for me it depends how I get it and on the pussy itself, if I spend time and effort and get pussy I want then yes, but if someone who I don't fancy just throws herself at me (it has happened) then that is terrible.

[Anonymous No.16442628]

>>16442513
They already probably did, but they will never deconstruct it fully and even dissolved the idea of consent when it comes to rape itself since it goes agaisnt their ideals. So they simply walk in a minefield trying to dissolve whatever they dont like and trying now to blow up the things that they do.

[Anonymous No.16442658]

>>16442615
That's just you. It's not really that men should be showered with unearned pussy for life, but no reason to throw them into hardmode right away, the sink or swim mentality just makes more incels of men who fail it. Giving boys an opportunity to learn a bit about sex and see that pussy isn't such a big deal should only make it easier for them to chase tail without all the anxieties and hangups modern men tend to have.

[Anonymous No.16442868]

>>16442454
At least around 15

[Anonymous No.16442908]

>>16440920
He proves that you czn't love sexually a child. If you're marrying a 9yo, you're doing it for lust

[Anonymous No.16442977]

>>16442908
If you can't sexually love a child then how could you possibly marry a 9yo for lust?

[Anonymous No.16442991]

>>16442513
Consent is mostly a liberal-democratic concept. The right should do away with it in a good way. The left just wants legal child porn and convicted rapists out on the street.

[Anonymous No.16443004]

>>16442977
Utterly BTFO.

[Anonymous No.16443038]

>>16438592

Found the thread full of subhumans,

[Anonymous No.16443046]

>>16443038
exactly, anti-pedo stance is maximum retarded

[Anonymous No.16443048]

>>16442388
>but socially we should shun men 28 of up who go for 20 year olds or below.
terrible roastie take on this

[Anonymous No.16443056]

>>16443038
Victorian era feminists live rent free inside your head

[Anonymous No.16443058]

>>16442582
>I don't know why the left still jacks him off so much
for me it's the funny accent and nervous ticks and the racist jokes.

[Anonymous No.16443115]

>>16443046

I guess I spoke too soon. Okay, some of the posts are made by subhumans(>>16438782, >>16438779, >>16438773, >>16438767, >>16438761, >>16438757, >>16438814).

[Anonymous No.16443118]

>>16443115
>nooo not the 16 year old children nooooo precious innocent babies!

[Anonymous No.16443125]

I was groomed by a pedo and we'll be having our wedding ceremony as soon as this corona shit cools down, so I think it worked out pretty well for me

[Anonymous No.16443130]

>>16443118

AoC should be at least 18.

[Anonymous No.16443136]

>>16443125
Tell us the story. How old were you and him when it started and when did you guys do the dirty business?

[Anonymous No.16443137]

>>16443130
>at least
Tell me how I know you're American

[Anonymous No.16443143]

>>16443130
>burgerhands typed this

[Anonymous No.16443146]

>>16443136
14 and 23 for both

[Anonymous No.16443155]

>>16443137

Okay, maybe raise it to 21, just so they know what it's like to be an incel for a couple of years.

[Anonymous No.16443236]

>>16443155
So you're getting rid of romeo and juliet laws too? Do you recommend fitting teens with chastity cages until they come of age?

[Anonymous No.16443304]

>>16443236

Did that trigger you? Then the answer is yes.

[Anonymous No.16443386]

>>16443304
Nice

[Anonymous No.16443388]

>>16443146
That's pretty normal and he's not a pedo. 14 year olds are pretty developed and it's the age of consent in half of Europe.

[Anonymous No.16443415]

>>16443388

America is not Europe.

[Anonymous No.16443416]

>>16443388
While you're right I can also literally never be honest about when we met to anyone ever, including my family, because of how socially unacceptable it is. It would destroy his reputation and I would be considered a groomed victim no matter how old I am now.

[Anonymous No.16443490]

>>16443415
>>16443416
>literally can't tell family how you met your husband due to the disasterous social consequences
the fruits of modern liberal society, everyone.
Not much different from a totalitarian regime.

[Anonymous No.16443599]

>>16443416
Do Americans really?

[Anonymous No.16443626]

this thread is a hneypot, a filter for pseuds who only like foucault for his roman polanski letter of being french. read more women's novels

[Anonymous No.16443676]

>>16443626
Tranny

[Anonymous No.16443720]

>>16443626
OP here
>this thread is a hneypot
Then use a proxy. Feds are too busy jerking it to cheese pizza to care about what some """4chan intellectuals""" think the proper age to give/recieve a dicking is.
>a filter for pseuds who only like foucault
I like foucault for his epistemology and historical analysis as well as the butthurt he elicits from people.
>for his roman polanski tier of being french
if polanski lived in literally any other time period nobody would give a fuck that he screwed a 13 year old. His crime was that he wasn't married to her
>read more women's novels
Sure post recs.

[Anonymous No.16443913]

>>16443720
>I like foucault for his epistemology and historical analysis
Read Canguillem.

[Anonymous No.16443935]

>>16442977
Sorry, I meant to say something along the lines of "sexual interactions and romantic love cannot coexist"

[Anonymous No.16443968]

>>16443935
That would mean all non-chaste marriages are only for lust and have no love in them.

[Anonymous No.16444008]

>>16443968
Marriages are for reproduction and child-rearing

[Anonymous No.16444017]

>>16444008
What is romantic love for?

[Anonymous No.16444039]

>>16444017
For cuckoldry.
Not the previous anon.

[Anonymous No.16444558]

>>16444017
It is not for anything. It is a lie and makes nothing.