/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16436768]

Is this accurate?

[Anonymous No.16436799]

Whoever made that image shall be the first to perish.

[Anonymous No.16436806]

>I am le better than you because I like things you don't like

[Anonymous No.16436808]

>>16436768
>kanye isn't higher than the NYT
Another pleb filtered by Yeezus

[Anonymous No.16436813]

>>16436768
My unpopular opinion is this: About 90% of "art" is useless. There are very few things to say about the human condition that are eternal, and these are thus the themes. They are always present. Then you have the [current day] problems which are always overused in every [current day] piece of art. For a creation to be truly memorable and withstand the test of time, it must either do something truly revolutionary/new, in the field of writing, composing, cinematography, special effects, atmosphere, etc. Or, to just manage to portray something, a feeling, a theme, a period, perfectly. To that end, very few movies actually have anything to say. All those arthouse flicks essentialy amount to nothing.
>oh no, a poor drunk and his struggles
>oh no, a poor wife and her struggles with infidelity
>oh no, uh, loneliness but the MC is a good looking guy with friends, ex gfs and a job
>oh no, uh, faggots and niggers or something
There's nothing for them to say, because the average joe lives through this "uneventful" life full of daily problems and misery. Meanwhile, a good blockbuster, like Alien has a technical and atmospherical merit. Apocalypse Now managed that while also having a narrative. Tarkovsky, Angelopoulos and the like manage to create moving paintings. Scorsese manages to tell simple straightforward stories and tales. Sly and Arnie give you a few hours of passive entertainment. Out of all these, few things will survive the filter, but my point remains. Films about nothing are ultimately useless, and that acounts for the vast majority of movies.

Moreover, I'd even say that most "artists" can't even create. They wait for things to happen around them, for people to work, struggle and truly create, so that they can sit back, speculate, condemn and twist. Reality is their basis, but they do not partake in it. They live in the world, but they cannot make it move. Just remember, we still tell tales of Achilles, Alexander and Plato. Not of some 1700 Playwright. Because they did something unique. They sought glory, conquest and formed philosophies. They didn't just sit back and react to the things that other men did, they sought their path in life. And that extends to the modern day. Scientists seek to discover and create new things. Politicians rule and try to mold the world. Artists, usually, just sit back, and wait for something to happen so that they can share their "ebin" ideas.

[Anonymous No.16436824]

>>16436806
there is such a thing as high art and low art you know. It's not about being better. I think the internet and all the access people have to everything is changing things though. Post modernism popularized 'low art'for high art audiences but I'm not sure if it did the opposite too.

[Anonymous No.16436830]

>>16436768
>tfw filtered by the second paragraph of Finnegan's Wake
pls halp

[Anonymous No.16436839]

>>16436813
Art isn't necessarily supposed to "say" anything, you absolute midwit

[Anonymous No.16436845]

https://voca.ro/1cFWwQj6ec7y

[Anonymous No.16436852]

>>16436768
>the fucking NYT that high
OH NO NO NO NO

[Anonymous No.16436853]

>>16436768
>Harry Potter and game of thrones right under Frankenstein and citizen lane
Fucking kek

[Anonymous No.16436869]

>>16436768
>the Big Bang theory above Kanye

[Anonymous No.16436902]

>>16436839
yes it is

[Anonymous No.16437011]

>>16436902
No it doesn't.
Visual art, musical art can be simply beautiful without making some kind of deep grandiose statement.
I'd even argue that the BEST art is that which doesn't seek to make a statement.

[Anonymous No.16437085]

>>16437011
You're conflating art with beauty.

[Anonymous No.16437096]

>>16437011
Then admit that it's utterly meaningess and exists merely to be entertainment, at which point you open the floodgates for videogames and comic books. "Art" just exists as an industry, nothing more.

[Anonymous No.16437122]

>>16437096
>>16437085
Define "art"

[Anonymous No.16437138]

>Ultimate fighting at bottom

A slack jawed faggot made that image

[Anonymous No.16437137]

>>16437011
> I'd even argue that
Then do it. You're gesturing toward some imaginary argument purely as a means to state your opinion.

[Anonymous No.16437155]

>>16437137
Ultimately it's my own opinion, but I think that art that actively seeks to make a statement tends tends to be pompus, fart-sniffing and not at all enjoyable to see/listen

[Anonymous No.16437194]

>>16437155
Cool.

[Anonymous No.16437221]

>>16436813
>About 90% of "art" is useless.
Wow and a fucking gamer confesses this moronic notion, too!

[Anonymous No.16437250]

>>16436768
Zootopia is a far more intellectual and artistically accomplished movie than Star Wars the force awakens

[Anonymous No.16437252]

>>16436813
>filtered by arthouse films and only watches blockbuster garbage

[Anonymous No.16437320]

>>16437085
It is synonymous.
>>16437096
>Then admit that it's utterly meaningess
Meaningless in what regard? Are you trying to undermine the power of beauty and sublimity to the human condition?
>and exists merely to be entertainment
Aesthetic appreciation is not the same thing as entertainment.
>at which point you open the floodgates for videogames and comic books.
Video Games and Comic Books do not have a strong grasp on aesthetics, and in fact tend to cling to didacticism to compensate otherwise. Terrible analogy.
>"Art" just exists as an industry, nothing more.
Drivel.

[Anonymous No.16437393]

>>16436768
Spotlight should not be that high
Revenant deserved to win

[Anonymous No.16437411]

>>16436813
>My unpopular opinion is this: About 90% of "art" is useless.
kys bugman.

[Anonymous No.16437439]

>>16436806
Yes. Fuck proles.

[Anonymous No.16437453]

>>16437096
All use is useless without art.

[Anonymous No.16437549]

>game of thrones, Harry potter
>not on the same level as grand theft auto

[Anonymous No.16437598]

>>16436768
"Hmm... needs to be a log scale to even stand a ch-"
> Sees NYT on the top
OK, we're done here.

[Anonymous No.16437720]

>>16436813
100% correct. Most people are uninteresting and have nothing to say, and they usually shit on the rare individuals who actually do something unique.

[Anonymous No.16439001]

>>16437221
>>16437411
>u dum-dum!
Great arguments.
>>16437252
Faggot, if I hadn't watched those arthouse flicks how could I comment on them? They are inherently pretentious and mostly empty. They exist purely to satisfy their creators, who pour their work into them. You just consooom them and think that if you like a Hungarian drama from the 70s, you've somehow obtained some ebin character trait. Tell me now how "The Man Who Sleeps" is some profound piece of filmmaking, and not just 2 hours of trie voiceover over some basic black and white shots.
>>16437453
Wow, this rly mks u thnk! Like, sheeeeeiiii life be like, useless without, like, reading something as profound as the Naked Lunch!
>>16437122
I define it as just creating something, really.
>>16437320
>Meaningless in what regard? Are you trying to undermine the power of beauty and sublimity to the human condition?
Beauty is eternal. The Human Condition has only a finite amount of subjects to talk about, and just repeating them over and over doesn't make your creation deep or meaningful.
>Aesthetic appreciation is not the same thing as entertainment.
Which brings us to my argument that "arthouse" can only work if it's just a moving painting and doesn't walk down the same tired paths of nonsense. A "moving painting" has merit.
>Video Games and Comic Books do not have a strong grasp on aesthetics, and in fact tend to cling to didacticism to compensate otherwise. Terrible analogy.
Just going "no" isn't an argument, you know. I don't even like vidya that much. But to disregard something like Deus Ex or Bloodborne, while still considering some bottom of the barrel talky-talky drama art, means that you're just a pretentious and biased cunt who wants to feel superior over things he can easily consoooom.
>Drivel.
Great points, faggot.
The average joe doesn't care about all this faggotry because he's got bills to pay. The artist doesn't care because he's busy creating. The scientist, the politician, they have actual responsibilities in the real world. The philosopher tries to find the true path to life. So who's left salivating over pretentious nonsense? Boring people with safe jobs, ample leisure time, a lack of meaningful goals and a hole inside that they try to fill by mingling with people the same as them, warping elitism more and more in an effort to make consooming essential.

Hell, just go and see what most artists actually like. The most basic stuff across all media. They devote all their energy to actually trying to do something unique. Or at least create something. I may not like Bela Tarr and his works, as it's evident, but at least he creates what he wants. His fans are the scum, since they just consoooooom him and pretend as if it matters. As if it makes them more "interesting". Time wasted on meaningless drivel is worse than producing drivel, because there there's at elast action.
>>16437720
Noooooo you can't say that, like, 2 hours of poorfags eating potatoes in black and white is art!

[Anonymous No.16439055]

>high school required reading is the height of high culture
lol

[Anonymous No.16439075]

>>16436768
They just let anyone with a college degree to write a textbook huh. Sums up burger higher education.

[Anonymous No.16439846]

>>16436768
beethoven is way above the others at the top

[Anonymous No.16439901]

>>16436768
Star Wars and Big Bang theory should be flipped, otherwise looks good

[Anonymous No.16439944]

>>16436768
>Miles Davis
>High Culture

[Anonymous No.16439962]

>>16439001
I asked you to define "art", and you never did, so all your points about the nature of art are irrelevant

[Anonymous No.16439969]

>>16436768
>Kanye West > Taylor Swift
Hello based department?

[Anonymous No.16439972]

>>16436768
>Miles Davis
>high culture

[Anonymous No.16439974]

>>16437138
This.

[Anonymous No.16439975]

>>16436768
Another fucking midwit thread?

[Anonymous No.16439985]

>>16437411
He is right, but it depends how you even classify art. By my metric 100% of art is good, and the stuff that isn't good isn't art.

[Anonymous No.16440007]

This is the kind of drivel that people who don't listen to Kanye can produce.
>hurr he acts weird in public, guess he must be low art
Kanye is easily as good as Miles Davis, and absolutely more influential.

[Anonymous No.16440077]

>>16436768

It does say that the diagram is arbitrary, but it seems to be more about perceptions of the audience rather than the art itself.
Take"Ultimate Fighting". I'm a bit of a martial arts fag, so I find it fascinating on a technical level, but I wouldn't argue that most fans are of the JUST BLEED variety.

Low culture seems to have a much more significant societal impact. All fight scenes in movies resemble MMA now, compared to the king Fu films they used to mirror. I feels like j see a Rear Naked Choke in a media every week now.
I've never watched any of the Kardashian, but they popularised the style that is culturally seen as "sexy" in the west.
But who gives a shit about ballet, apart from people who do ballet?

[Anonymous No.16440104]

>>16439962
Nigger, I literally did.
>>16439001
>I define it as just creating something, really.

[Anonymous No.16440132]

>>16436768
Beethoven Symphonies are pop-tier nowadays, especially the 9th and 5th. They are deep but are nice to listen to even if you have no idea what to listen for. For example, 2nd movt of 9th, it's a fugue but how many people you ask will tell you it's a fugue?

[Anonymous No.16440192]

>>16440104
>Art is creating anything
That's such a retarded definition.
If a factory worker turns raw steel into screws and springs, does that make him an artist?

[Anonymous No.16440237]

>>16440192
In a way, yes

[Anonymous No.16440239]

>>16440192
Yep

[Anonymous No.16440271]

>>16440192
I should've clarified that, IMO, it is a "personal" creation. Be it a sculpture made from screws or a carved table. Mass-Productions are an entirely different thing. But I really see no other way to define "Art". Now, there's a hierarchy in art, but "Art" as a "concept" is just the personally-invested creation of something. If you have anything better, share it. You used the factory worker as an example, but can't we say that a programmer is also some kind of artist if he creates a program that does something unique? Why is creating a tank not art, but writting about some
>le depressed supergenius imposter syndrome
in a cliche ridden book, considered "pure art"?

[Anonymous No.16440955]

>>16436768
>star wars
>not low brow culture

i bet an american did this image

[Anonymous No.16440980]

>>16436813
>Artists, usually, just sit back, and wait for something to happen so that they can share their "ebin" ideas.

what do you mean by that? i´m a brainlet

[Anonymous No.16440990]

>>16436768
nice to see the subconscious admission that the New York Times is an entertainment product

[Anonymous No.16441012]

>>16437096
>Utterly meaningless
It is just as meaningful as entertainment is.

[Anonymous No.16441037]

>>16440192
He is an artist of industry

[Anonymous No.16441264]

>>16440104
>Taking a shit is art

[Anonymous No.16441384]

>>16437085
If art isn't beautiful, it isn't art.

[Anonymous No.16441418]

>>16436768
>Miles Davis
>Emily Dickinson
They got some diversity points

[Anonymous No.16441459]

>>16436768
They took a weird stance on ultimate fighting. Martial arts are definitely considered an art. Ultimate fighting is the application of that art. I bet they don't like it because they have to confront their own weak, ugly bodies when viewing.

[Anonymous No.16441475]

>>16436768
Wow, turns out when your argument leans on pop culture references, it all falls to shit.

[Anonymous No.16441497]

>grand theft auto lower than the superbowl
>Fargo (literally one of the best shows ever made) lower than Harry Potter
>all those legit trash/midwit products like big bang theory, last week tonight and clown news network rated higher than Kanye
Every day I get more comfortable with the idea of executing wrongthinkers

[Anonymous No.16441515]

>NYtimes
>High culture

Americans need to be stopped.