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16408938 No.16408938 [Reply] [Original]

Why the fuck did he leave?

>> No.16409556

>>16408938
I'm not sure who they are but Odysseus/Calypso makes most sense.
Seven years is a long time, anon, and fucking a nymph on a private island pales ultimately when compared with adventure on the high seas and resuming one's status as autocrat of an entire people. Plus he probably missed his wife, son, and dog with terrible intensity and felt the accruing guilt of having become an essentially worthless human being.

>> No.16409561

>>16408938
He had a home, and a soul. Heidegger would of course raise the question of dwelling here.

>> No.16409735

>>16409556
Recollect also that in Odyssey Poseidon is Odysseus' chief antagonist and that his capsulation on an island with one of the sea lord's sexy daughters is essentially a prison sentence.

>> No.16409736

>>16409735
Was he really an antagonist then?

>> No.16409770

>>16409736
Considering that the ultimate destruction of his homeland was in the balance, yes. Poseidon for whatever reason did not want Odysseus reaching home. One means of the divine for achieving its ends on the playing field of mortality is temptation. Did Odysseus succumb? Yes, but had time enough to experience a change of heart and do something about it.

>> No.16409776

>>16409770
Was Calypso really just a bitch being paid or did she love him?

>> No.16409801

>>16409776
Maybe a little like one initially but came to love him; she wouldn't have helped him out in the end otherwise. Plenty of room for speculation

>> No.16409830

>>16409776
Wagner's Tannhäuser essentially encapsulates the idea of this story fwiw except that Tannhäuser leaves Venus herself so as to re-enter the competitive realm of mortal men.

>> No.16409917
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16409917

It wasn't the real world.

>> No.16410366

>>16409770
>for whatever reason
Isn't it beyond doubt that it was cause Odysseus hurt Polyphemus?

>> No.16410381

>>16408938
Have you finished the book?
He has a wife and son back home. Fun is fun, but he had to go. What’s the matter with you?

>> No.16410768

>>16410381
>immortality is just "fun"

>> No.16410820

Calypso had an annoying voice

>> No.16410831

>>16409830
Was that a moral choice? I haven't seen the Drama but from what I hear in the Pilgrim's chorus it seems to at least synthesise the sensual world with the pure.

>> No.16410839
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the face of a man constantly in a post-coom daze for seven years

>> No.16410882

I remember in Fitzgerald's translation Odysseus said Calypso "ceased to please". I don't remember the line exactly but I think I checked Lattimore to see if it was similar and it was. So if he said that we can deduce that he enjoyed her for a time, but grew bored of it after a while. Odysseus is a man, he doesn't actually want bliss, he wants a challenge and he wants to conquer. Since his wife was separated from him by a dangerous journey, she was actually more attractive to him than the easily-accessible goddess.

>> No.16410908

>>16410831
No, I don't believe it necessarily was a moral choice, or if it was it's cynically edged- this is what makes a medieval tale modern, though.
He's the best at what he does and is therefore the subject of envy and pettiness- growing tired of this he decides to return to Venus with a 'fuck all you incompetent motherfuckers' attitude near the end (he leaves her at the beginning) until magically converted to not just Christianity but the acceptance of his fate as a mortal upon the death of the woman he loved, and who loved him. May sound overwrought but the last 30 minutes of this opera are every bit as powerful as the last 15 minutes of T & I. It's really incredible.

>> No.16410920

>>16410882
Yeah I read the Lattimore one too and he did say he stopped enjoying it after a while. I thought it was weird that Homer made him enjoy it at all but I guess how could he not?

>>16408938
Because Homer made Odysseus to be a good king and good kings were supposed to look after their kingdoms

>> No.16410947

>>16408938
Althought dat pussy fire, all those years of naggin wears a nigga out

>> No.16410988

>>16410920
>I thought it was weird that Homer made him enjoy it at all
The men in the epics aren't meant to be perfect. Even the gods have flaws. Odysseus is a hero because (among other reasons) he managed to sail home despite being opposed by the god of the sea, not because every action he took was the most noble. After all, the only reason Poseidon knew Odysseus was the one who killed his son was because he boasted.

>> No.16411005

>>16410988
*blinds his son
oops

>> No.16411029

>>16410988
In the Greek 'oudeis or no one is a verbal pun on Odysseus' name fwiw
So Odysseus really rubbed it in

>> No.16411097

>>16410366
Poseidon was trying to keep him from getting home before that, however. Or at least was complicit in it because of, y'know, the sea and all that.

>>16408938
Penelope was just that good, in every way. She's basically perfect.

>> No.16411115

>>16410908
Yeah I've been meaning to watch it at some point, but definitely going to see it now. Thanks anon.

>> No.16411158

>>16410768
Meant the sex with Calypso.
Clearly the Odyssey is a love story at its heart. He chose his wife over eternal erections

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>>16411097
>Poseidon was trying to keep him from getting home before that, however.
Homer himself says that's why Poseidon is mad at him. The fact that his journey took long even before Polyphemus can be either bad luck or another god's will unless this is specified otherwise somewhere else?

>> No.16411182

>>16411177
>Homer himself
Zeus*

>> No.16411229

>>16411158
Nah, he chooses his kingdom (with the wife)

>> No.16411299

>>16411229
You’re ngmi

>> No.16411405

>>16411299
you’ll have company then

>> No.16411409

>>16410947
reel nigga shit

>> No.16411415

>>16411299
You got filtered out of this world if you think Odyssey is a love story lmao

>> No.16411570
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>>16411415

>> No.16411863

>>16411177
>The fact that his journey took long even before Polyphemus can be either bad luck or another god's will unless this is specified otherwise somewhere else?
Didn't Odysseus refuse to sacrifice to Poseidon or something, like he was in a hurry or something and didn't want to wait around in Turkey any longer?

>> No.16411941

>>16411863
Wasn't that Menelaus?

>> No.16413057

Love story lol

>> No.16413748
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16413748

Circe was the superior goddess

>> No.16413834

>>16413748
Based femdom poster

>> No.16414143

He got bored

>> No.16414306

haven't read The Odyssey yet, did she kill herself like Dido did?

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>>16414306
>did the immortal kill herserslf