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Hey /lit/, this might be a weird question, but ive become intrigued with the concept of pain and suffering as positive forces.
Basically, in initiation rites, people who have to suffer/endure more to pass, tend to be far more loyal to that particular organization than those who had to do very little to get into it. People who have to suffer a lot together tend to form stronger bonds than people who dont.

This psychological phenomenon fascinates me, and im really curious on whether people have written about it more.

>> No.16381523

It is unironically "coping". Coping with reality. Coping with pain being inevitable, so whoever can take more is the strongest, etc etc.

>> No.16381532

>>16381523
thank you for your insightful contribution

>> No.16382041

bump

>> No.16382073

>pain is weakness leaving the body
Not sure how true that is but it resonates with me.

Ignore the muh cope posters, because by definition they're also only coping.

>> No.16382339

>>16382073
Thats more just a platitude (though it has a core of truth). Im talking more about the real psychological effect that hardship has one people.

>> No.16383176
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16383176

THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING ABOUT THIS I WILL NOT ACCEPT SILENCE

>> No.16383376

>>16381500
Collective suffering bring people together, look at all populations that suffered the most, they are the more "soudé" (not sure how to say this in English). Historical examples are the polish and the Russians.

>> No.16383385

>>16383376
>Soudé
isnt that a way to cook meat?

>> No.16383393

>>16381523
>anon shifts the cope paradigm

>> No.16383462

>>16383385
That's sous-vide anon, but soudé means when they are tight in spirit with each other as individuals within a collective

>> No.16383492

>>16381500
Read Junger

>> No.16383497

>>16381500
I haven’t finished it yet but H.G. Wells time machine has a race of humans that have degenerated in their evolution because the lack of pain, suffering, want, etc

They spend their days wasting away content, you would have to read it to get a better understanding on his theory of them (there’s a second race that lives underground but like I said I haven’t finished it)

>> No.16383514

>>16383176

http://www.classicshorts.com/stories/tec.html

>> No.16383547

>>16383514
oh so that's how that happened

>> No.16383625

>>16383492
which work in particular?

>> No.16384352

>>16383492
>>16383625
answer pls

>> No.16384542

>>16383462
You know individualism and collectivism are two faces of the same coin and that when someone speaks of collectivism more often than not they are referencing totality and using the word wrong