Is prison /lit/?

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Is prison /lit/? Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:22:14 2020 No.16363420 [Reply] [Original]

Think about it
>live as a neet
>can read (almost) all the time
>homosexual explorations
>nothing to do but improve the self
Why shouldn’t I just murder someone right now?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:23:53 2020 No.16363430 >>16363420 the book catalogue is very limited and mostly restricted to 200-page paperback fiction

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:24:45 2020 No.16363437 matricide is very lit

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:25:24 2020 No.16363440 >>16363437 matricide is for faggots. patricide is /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:26:41 2020 No.16363449 >>16363420 >get fucked in the ass by BBC daily Yep, I'm thinking it's /lit/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:27:21 2020 No.16363456 >>16363449 mutt's law

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:52:13 2020 No.16363627 I enjoyed my time in jail. Everybody was pretty chill except the guards who found ways to create problems.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:53:46 2020 No.16363638 It sounds nice but what about if you want to leave prison?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:56:55 2020 No.16363661 >>16363627 >I enjoyed my time in jail. kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 18:59:02 2020 No.16363674 i read some article about an american prison replacing physical books with ereaders, which you had to rent for crazy amounts of prison money. so maybe even that shit’s going out the door

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:00:34 2020 No.16363684 >>16363661 No joke, I had a good time. I got to read books all day, go to a proper gym and during the evenings we would have 20 guys sitting around a TV watching movies or football games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:01:26 2020 No.16363695 >>16363420 Mark Fisher lives in all of us.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:02:38 2020 No.16363704 >>16363430 Maybe in jail. Once you're in prison you can buy whatever books you want, besides those that are banned for obvious reasons (such as 48 Laws of Power or any books on seduction/manipulation)

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:06:09 2020 No.16363723

>>16363684
I agree. Something about it is very chill. For the first week I had that anxiety like there was something I needed to do, but after that I settled in and it became cozy knowing that I have absolutely nothing to wake up for. In a way, I had more freedom in jail. If only I was allowed to have internet, I'd be set.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:08:19 2020 No.16363735 >>16363684 where did you go to?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:11:32 2020 No.16363762

>>16363420
What crime would give me 10 years in the can? Now that some of you have mentioned it, it seems to be exactly what I'm looking for. Previously I wanted to go live into a cabin, far away from poisonous tech, with only books and notebooks to write but not sure if I'd be able to pull it off. Might as well just let the state fulfill my dream. Is prison a good place for reading?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:12:43 2020 No.16363770 >>16363735 It's just a county jail in Akron, Ohio.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:13:29 2020 No.16363774 >>16363762 if they force out that you did it just to get locked away you'll get institutionalized

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:16:11 2020 No.16363793 >>16363770 Is that where all those cool rock bands and stuff come from, right? If it's not too personal, what did you do?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:16:39 2020 No.16363795

>>16363684
I always believed in the idea of voluntary jails. You're allowed to join them if you've done nothing wrong. It's better than being starving and homeless. Any tax payer should be allowed to commit themselves to prison in the absence of any conviction.
>3 hot meals a day, over 2000 calories
>nice bed
>activities and leisure activities
>structure to life
I think homeless people would benefit from prisons tremendously if they were allowed to stay there as they pleased.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:18:52 2020 No.16363810 >>16363762 Dueling was ruled not to be first degree murder back in the 1890s supreme court after it was banned. That would probably get you 10 years if you had proof of a contract before hand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:19:24 2020 No.16363815 >>16363793 I don't know anything about rock bands but I was arrested for robbery. It was almost about 15 years ago now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:20:56 2020 No.16363829 >>16363810 yeah, or you lose and fucking die

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:21:12 2020 No.16363831 >>16363795 I wouldn't object to having some proper work camps come back into fashion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:26:57 2020 No.16363879 Here's a plan >steal $10,000 from a bank >give it to someone to invest for you >go to jail for 5 years >work out, read books, improve self >come out of jail >money has compounded >cash out

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 19:28:48 2020 No.16363892 >>16363879 $10,000 invested wont compounds very much.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:46:21 2020 No.16364373 >>16363795 That's called the military. Unless you mean without working.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 20:48:47 2020 No.16364383 >>16363456 He's not wrong though

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:07:40 2020 No.16364505 >>16363420 Unfortunately if you commit a crime with the intention of going to prison they will just release you

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:12:11 2020 No.16364529

>>16363762
Unfortunately in Canada with our lax justice system you'll be lucky (bit of sarcasm here) to get 10 years in prison if you commit anything short of first or second degree murder. It's kind of bullshit actually. Jamie Bacon recently got 18 years total including time served so he'll be out within a few.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:13:12 2020 No.16364535 >>16364529 (Killed six people by the way)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:14:29 2020 No.16364544 >>16364505 How do they figure out intent? And why would the release you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:17:13 2020 No.16364554 >>16364544 I was just joking, if you murder someone you will go to prison for sure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:18:42 2020 No.16364558 >>16364383 American fetishes aren't /lit/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:19:44 2020 No.16364565 >>16364529 Does the same apply to foreginers?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:21:41 2020 No.16364578 >>16364565 I think so, any crime committed on Canadian soil. Jurisdiction and sovereignty and all that stuff. It's the same with pretty much any country.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:23:16 2020 No.16364588 >>16364558 4chan is an American website

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:25:49 2020 No.16364599 >>16364373 >>16363795 I think this could be done with public service like improving infrastructure or menial work for the common good Serving in the military isn't attractive

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:26:10 2020 No.16364601 >>16364588 So?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 21:36:46 2020 No.16364656 >>16364599 Become a monk

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:17:39 2020 No.16364838

Prisons not really lit but there's something I do miss about it.

It was a microcosm where I could basically coast. I knew when I was getting up, I knew when I was eating, I knew exactly when I'd be on the yard and when etc. The repetitiveness is a bit hypnotic and I sometimes find myself missing the routine.

It was extremely rough for the first bit, especially the first week where I was fighting at least once a day but once I wasn't so green I just kept my head down, read a lot of books and played cards

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:20:12 2020 No.16364859 >>16364656 They won't let you join if you have any debt.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:26:56 2020 No.16364892 File: 70 KB, 1024x665, nervous cat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16364838 Is it scary though? Are you at risk of getting raped or something?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:30:52 2020 No.16364918 >>16364892 Niggers will rape you if they think you're weak.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:33:02 2020 No.16364939 File: 153 KB, 800x450, sad cat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16364918 What if you join the Aryan Brotherhood? Won't they protect you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:33:57 2020 No.16364941 >>16364838 >especially the first week where I was fighting at least once a day really?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:35:20 2020 No.16364954

>>16363420
If I get one of those solitary 1person cells where nobody can touch then sure, but most prisons are filled with retards and would be a hell to read in. it would be like trying to listen to music while your ears are filled by a bunch of retards screeching on twitter.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:35:55 2020 No.16364961
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>>16364918
Why did prisons start allowing sodomy? You read of prisoners being killed for it clear up until the 1920s in most of the world. Seems kind of stupid to allow this. Even in South Africa, up until the 1980s. Nelson Mandela was beaten in prison once because the guards accused him of masturbating. Why did they suddenly stop caring? Prisons these days even allow "conjugal" visits and actual sex. I don't get it.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:40:13 2020 No.16364984

>>16364892
Raped likely not, jumped, extorted, fucked with? absolutely. Especially if you're white.
Within the first hour I had a group come up to me and say my dinners were theirs and I would have to pay a fee to be in the pod. I said no and I was fighting at least once a day that first week. I got the shit kicked out of me, got 2 black eyes,a light concussion, and lost two teeth but I wasnt going to be an extorted "white boy".
Its scary in that you can be fucked with but if you dont disrespect others and keep your head down its manageable

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:42:55 2020 No.16365003 File: 24 KB, 654x654, 1596639424629.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16364984 Is there some way you can get your own solitary cell and never have to be around these apes?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:46:51 2020 No.16365026 >>16363879 >make 4000 extra Worth

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:47:14 2020 No.16365029 >>16364939 Just side with the nazis or with the mexicans and you'll be fine. Never sidr with the niggers (i.e. dont be a nigger)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:50:17 2020 No.16365045 File: 13 KB, 414x415, s7zeDKT.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16365029 Can you be sure to find nazis in any prison? What if you end up in jail and you are the only white guy there?

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 22:50:35 2020 No.16365048

>>16365003
You can be in segregation but its designed to be punishing.Sure youre alone, but your also locked in a room for 23 hours a day with an hour for rec or showering.

Im not big on prison reform, but segregation is actually inhumane and needs to be changed. Its hellish to be locked away with little human interaction or stimulus

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:10:52 2020 No.16365177 File: 376 KB, 768x576, 1591019494154.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16365048 I would gladly take that over being around a bunch of horrible savages who beat you up and rape you and steal your food.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:17:54 2020 No.16365213 >>16364961 Genuinely curious about this.

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:25:46 2020 No.16365271

>>16365177
In my experiences with it I thought it was better out with those type of guys than being alone. My first time became a cycle of doing things to get the attention that I needed to break the monotony which in turn lead to me being sentence for more days. I'm not ashamed to say that I felt less than human and to me being in general pop was a gift.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:37:24 2020 No.16365361 >>16365026 >>16363879 Get a job bro

Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:54:17 2020 No.16365460

>>16363420
Prisons don’t make sense to me
>break the law of the country
>in order to make you understand the law of the land we will make you live in a place where there are no nation-enforced laws
>being in a gang (i.e engaging in criminal behaviour) is the only way to get by

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 14 23:59:27 2020 No.16365493 >>16365460 They pretty much exist for cheap labor

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:00:03 2020 No.16365498 >>16365271 All in all would you recommend prison?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:00:35 2020 No.16365499 >>16364961 did fuko say anything about this

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:01:07 2020 No.16365500 >>16365460 It's not there to "make you understand the law." Laws exist regardless if you know them or not. But prison is there to punish you or to "reform you" (if you live in a faggot country).

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:01:50 2020 No.16365503 >>16365493 That makes sense in the US where all inmates are basically used for slave labour, but what about other western nations?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:03:47 2020 No.16365520 File: 531 KB, 1999x1333, arctic wolf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Here is how it should be. >petty crime a few lashes with a whip >moderate crime more lashes and severe beating >severe crime torture and execution

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:05:07 2020 No.16365526

>>16365499
Not this specifically. He does mention that in the modern style prisons, there was usually a rule forbidding prisoners from communicating in any way, so they couldn't organize into gangs, or have a negative influence on each other. The prison organizers realized pretty quickly that not allowing people to socialize just drove them mad, and that it was impossible to prevent in most cases anyway. I suspect something similar happened. Prisons just get more and more lax the more we realize they really don't function as rehab center, and are really just big cages.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:06:36 2020 No.16365536

>>16365500
>to make you understand the law
That was actually the original ideological purpose behind prisons. Prisons were always supposed to function as rehabilitative justice, and even are called "correctional facilities." Part of rehabilitating someone is making understand that what they did was wrong, and why. It almost never works.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:08:13 2020 No.16365548 >>16365520 Based and prisons should be institutions for homeless, poor or people not wanting to be rentcucks can go to for a baseline of existence.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:08:39 2020 No.16365551 >>16365503 lack of a better alternative? I'm not sure but the prison populations are vastly lower for everyone else http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2page1.stm

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:11:52 2020 No.16365568 >>16363795 >voluntary jails this can be analogous the many society structures currently propped up in the 21st centure

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:14:37 2020 No.16365586 >>16365498 if you're in a low or medium security and dont mind losing freedom and comforts to be a neet who reads books all day: yes

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:16:30 2020 No.16365601 >>16365503 >>16365460 Angela Davis' Are Prisons Obsolete is good and shows how prisons were at one point progressive change but we haven't really looked hard at them to see if they are effective

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:18:16 2020 No.16365619 File: 51 KB, 409x409, 1596666497414.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16365586 >a neet who reads books all day I am already like that, and I'm not in prison.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:31:15 2020 No.16365716 >>16365536 its sounds just like that- Justice. there to be to treat someone as a lesser human

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:37:03 2020 No.16365749 >>16365619 Most people live in poverty and can't afford this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:39:26 2020 No.16365757 >>16364529 Just do something minor, then when you're in court insult the judge and try to attack the guards or some lawyer. Keep doing it if you want to stay in jail

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:43:14 2020 No.16365782 >>16363420 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGEKLXwX2HU Apparently prison is nothing but free time to read. Plot twist: the selection sounds horrible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:48:01 2020 No.16365813 >>16363420 This boy is going to be very, very happy on January 20, 2025. Give or take a few days.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:48:22 2020 No.16365817

>>16363420
>can read (almost) all the time
Yeay, but but what can you read?
The average IQ in prisons is pretty low, most people are barely literate.

Can you get Hegel there? I do they take requests? I assume in high security American prisons they don't prioritize giving the prisoners their book requests with haste.

It is probably better to be in a non-violent prison. Avoid taxes or what have you, if you don't get caught you will have more money.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:49:56 2020 No.16365828 File: 19 KB, 400x400, 1599128215546.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16365813 Why, what happens then?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:53:24 2020 No.16365846 >>16365716 Not really. The point is till ostensibly to appeal to the reason of each individual, to 'correct' negative or antisocial behaviors on the basis that everyone is equally capable of doing so.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:54:54 2020 No.16365849 >>16363627 Where was it? All prisons seem terrible because of banged up tv shows

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 00:56:52 2020 No.16365860 >>16363762 lol In Canada You’d have to murder someone to get ten years or deal huge amounts of fentanyl/heroin/cocaine

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:01:17 2020 No.16365879

>>16364529
It was conspiracy he didn’t do the actual murder and he’s been in since 09. I agree it’s bs but facts are facts. You get 2 for if your held before sentencing and conviction because, lack of access to services that you’d get in prison, and what if you’re innocent? Remand centres are more violent that prisons that’s why you get 2 for 1. Prison is useless anyway in most cases. Bacon deserved 25 though because of the innocent guy killed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:02:47 2020 No.16365885 >>16364954 Think of all the biggest idiots you’ve known, every bully in highschool, all the ones that were too dumb to avoid it are there.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:03:03 2020 No.16365886 Charles Manson talks about this. He would spend a couple months studying a book, reading it over and over and taking notes, then he would apply it within the prison.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:04:17 2020 No.16365893 >>16365177 Same, I would meditate all day true monk style

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:04:39 2020 No.16365895 >>16363430 >the book catalogue is very limited prison is literally like a 2 star hotel with angry maids that will do anything you want for you except jack you off

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:04:40 2020 No.16365896 >>16365886 In these interviews he mentions it. https://youtu.be/cI292IidG8M

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:05:23 2020 No.16365899 >>16365503 Punishment has been proven not to work

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:07:26 2020 No.16365907

>>16365551
The US has insane sentencing, no developed countries have life without parole but the USA has no problem sentencing even teenagers to life with no parole. No chance of parole increases the level of violence too. If there is no chance to get out what incentive is there to behave?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:08:00 2020 No.16365910 >>16365899 If they suffer, then it's working.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:08:28 2020 No.16365914 >>16365568 Such as?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:09:09 2020 No.16365917 >>16365907 >but the USA has no problem sentencing even teenagers to life with no parole. Good. As long as they deserve it, all's fine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:09:29 2020 No.16365920 >>16365601 She’s such a fucking idiot and not qualified to talk on the subject. God anon pick anyone but her. How many bad people does she know or met?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:11:16 2020 No.16365925 >>16365910 You have a simpleton's notion of criminal justice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:11:34 2020 No.16365926 >>16365886 what do you mean by "apply it within the prison"?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:11:57 2020 No.16365928 >>16365917 It’s been deemed cruel and unusual punishment. It’s not even debatable, look at similar crimes and sentencing. Say between Canada and the USA, the American system favours retribution rather than actually tackling the issue of crime

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:12:42 2020 No.16365930 >>16365925 You have a liberal view of """"justice"""". It shouldn't be the principal's office. It should be hell.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:13:42 2020 No.16365934 >>16365910 What does that make you? Most people get out of prison, how do you expect them to be more human after they’ve been dehumanized the whole time? They’re adults, the idea “well if you don’t like it you won’t go back!” Punishment is so outdated

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:14:47 2020 No.16365938

>>16365928
I read an article about two teenagers who murder one of their grandma's with an axe. They brutally axed her to death while she was begging, and then cut her to pieces, all that just to steal a hundred bucks from her to buy weed. They rightfully deserve life in prison.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:16:27 2020 No.16365950

>>16365938
You can’t pick a sensational case, and no they don’t deserve life because their brains aren’t fully developed. Sorry, you’re leaving out a very important part, life with no chance of parole. Sure they can serve a long sentence but they deserve a chance at parole.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:16:38 2020 No.16365952 >>16365934 Crime is outdated, yet it still happens. If they had respected the law like most people, they wouldn't be in fucking prison.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:16:54 2020 No.16365953 >>16365926 He explains better than I can in these interviews. >>16365896 One was How to Win Friends and Influence people, which he used on the guards to get better food and treatment. He mentions reading Jung too. I haven't watched it all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:17:08 2020 No.16365954 >>16365930 My view of justice isn't liberal, but I believe in maintaining social order rather than play-acting juvenile revenge fantasies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:17:58 2020 No.16365957 >>16365952 Oh there’s no discussing with such a simple black and white viewpoint. Ina perfect world you are correct.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:18:26 2020 No.16365961 >>16365950 They are likely psychopaths. No normal teenager brutally murders an older woman for so little, who's also their relative. It's not safe for society to have these monsters at large.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:20:14 2020 No.16365973

>>16365961
You’re not able to reach that determination. If you believe in correction and rehabilitation you Would also believe That it works and that if it works rehabilitated people should be freed. Maybe they are psychopaths I don’t know, but life without parole is a poor system.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:22:13 2020 No.16365980 >>16365973 The whole US system doesn't make sense to me. Like, some nigger judge decides your fate based on his fee fees and then they also ask for the opinion of some faggots from the area? I don't get it.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:23:01 2020 No.16365982

>>16363879
>Do this because you have an IQ of 78
>Get $10,000 in bag but ink blows up and only $347 is spendable now.
>Give the usable money to your friends Cletus (91 IQ) and Jaleel (71 IQ) to invest your money.
>Cletus uses his half to get exit-scammed by a new crypto
>Jaleel buys a used truck, using his half plus $1200 of his own money
>Get out of jail
>It's 13 years instead of 5 because you were sentenced to 20 years under 18 U.S.C. §2113 and got out early on good behavior
>Cletus meagerly pays you back $100
>Jaleel is at some different correctional facility because they found the marker ink on one of his bills.
>You're now 33 with no job, education, or money except for Cletus' $100 (a whopping $7.69 per year while in prison)
>You've been raped 600 times in prison
>Gained weight after trauma of rapes made you addicted to pleasure-eating
>Only book you could understand in prison library was "Hungry Little Caterpillar"
>You tried to pick up a book by Kant one day because one of the prisoners told you he was "super, duper smart" and got stuck on the first sentence for 5 hours, never read any non-picture books again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:23:18 2020 No.16365987 >>16365954 One does not necessarily negate the other.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:24:02 2020 No.16365992

>>16365973
True. Part of the point of allowing a state to enact law and order is to remove personal ethical considerations from the mix.

Under a liberal prison system, what is supposed to matter is a person's potential harm to society. A person can be a psychopath and still be reformed so they are not dangerous. The state isn't supposed to care about what's in your heart.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:24:20 2020 No.16365994 >>16365982 >You've been raped 600 times in prison Reminds me of a Pynchon joke "How do you know?" "I counted"

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:25:31 2020 No.16365999 >>16365992 >The state isn't supposed to care about what's in your heart. I think they're supposed to care what's in your brain, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:26:40 2020 No.16366007 >>16363420 >can read (almost) all the time I don't think that's a given.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:27:29 2020 No.16366011

>>16365992
Exactly correct, that’s why in Canada all
crimes are against the crown, the criminal has committed his or her act against all society. To be fair what punishment would be suitable for a loved one that is a victim of a terrible crime? None obviously.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:27:58 2020 No.16366014 >>16365920 She's been in jail before

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:28:09 2020 No.16366015 >>16366007 Imagine you're happily reading in your cell and then a group of rapists suddenly appear and they take their dicks out. What to do in those cases?

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:29:21 2020 No.16366022

>>16365999
They do which is why they seek advice from experts.

Let me ask you this, what do you think of a man kills someone when he is having a psychotic episode, he gets proper treatment and psychiatric assessments deem him no longer a threat. Should they still face life in prison?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:30:21 2020 No.16366030 >>16366014 Lol so? So have a lot of idiots

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:30:41 2020 No.16366031 >>16363420 imagine all the bussy on demand bros...

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:31:19 2020 No.16366033 >>16366014 Just read her wikipedia bio. Its wild, somebody should make a movie.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:31:23 2020 No.16366034 >>16366015 Fight to the death, more dignity in dying

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:31:40 2020 No.16366036 >>16363420 Read Crime and Punishment, you'll find answers there

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:34:39 2020 No.16366052 File: 112 KB, 640x642, 1600117863835.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16363795 Monastery, anon.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:35:04 2020 No.16366054

>>16366022
The matter of determining whether or not a person is a threat is also pretty ambiguous.
Most people are guided by some kind of internal morality, i.e. they don't kill people because they just think its wrong, but also just by circumstance, meaning they don't kill anyone because there's just no reason why they want to right now. If you think about it, most psychopaths don't really have a reason to want to commit crimes, and can just live with no conscience, probably still doing bad things, but not breaking any laws.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:35:14 2020 No.16366055 >>16364838 You were in there for a sex crime weren’t you?i spent ~6 months total in county and if you stayed in your own lane, you didn’t get fucked with

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:36:07 2020 No.16366057 >>16366022 Depends on your philosophy on the purpose of prison. Is it to punish or is it to reform? If it's to punish then no treatment really washes off his murder but if it's for reforming people then his sentence should be seriously lowered.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:38:40 2020 No.16366069

>>16366057
Punishment is always part of it, but prison systems are unique among criminal justice programs in that they are designed to emphasize reform, which they routinely fail at. The literal point of using prisons instead of exile, or just executing people, is that they are supposed to discipline prisoners, which they never do.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:41:46 2020 No.16366086

>>16366057
My philosophy based on evidence is that punishment is barbaric. A hangover from biblical times, an eye for an eye, you hurt me so I get to hurt you. It doesn’t solve the issue of crime. Of course there are some people that need to be kept apart from society, but I don’t require that they be brutalized, I don’t want to brutalize or dehumanize someone.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:44:51 2020 No.16366100

>>16365980
The judicial system is made up of gay roleplayers who want to complicate a simple process just so they can share their views and feel important. Either someone committed a crime or they didn't - if you commit crime B, you should get pre-determined punishment B. Judges should keep their opinions and "discretion" out of it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:46:29 2020 No.16366113 >>16366086 Depends on the type of crime. Murderers deserve all the shit they get and then some more. Barbaric animals like this should be judged and punished like barbaric animals. Anyone else should be reformed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:49:59 2020 No.16366134 >>16363879 >less than half a year's wages even at minimum wage you're an idiot

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:50:51 2020 No.16366141 >>16366113 You’re not very informed about this subject. The sensational murders are 1% of murders. They almost never get out anyway. What does it make you that you want to see them hurt?

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:55:14 2020 No.16366164

>>16366141
I live in one of the most violent countries in the world. One of my relatives was shot and killed; the murderer was never found. I've had guns put to my head. The fact that you first-worlders are such fucking hippies about this topic is troubling and frankly disturbing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:55:20 2020 No.16366166 >>16366022 Psychiatrists are evil and can't be trusted, so yes, they should absolutely remain in prison because the threat to the public is unacceptable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:57:42 2020 No.16366180 >>16366164 >I live in a shithole therefore first-worlder should enact my fantasy of how a justice system should work Outstanding reasoning Pablo.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 01:58:18 2020 No.16366181

>>16365828

Sorry you couldn't connect the dots. I was referring to the final hours (or days) of Trump's second term, and this is traditionally a period when they issue whatever political pardons they have to unleash. I think it's quite likely that this kid will enjoy such clemency, and rightly so. But only contingent on a Trump win.

In contrast, I think Obama pardoned Bradley Manning somewhat before his final hours in office, but I'd have to look it up. Everyone puts in their final fuck-you pardons in the hours before exiting, and Trump will surely have some fuck-you stuff ready, whether in 2025, as is to be hoped, or else in 2021.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 02:01:20 2020 No.16366196 >>16366164 Do you live in South Africa?

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 02:03:01 2020 No.16366207

>>16363674
Yes, states are increasingly moving towards a system where prisoners need to buy a $200 tablet that allows them to buy approved ebooks from $3-$25 a piece. This includes public domain works, which they also charge for.
Here is the list of the 8500 books PA prisoners are allowed to read:
https://www.cor.pa.gov/Inmates/Documents/master-ebook-list.pdf

In West Virginia, prisoners are charged by the minute to read. It works out to about 5 minutes of reading for an hour of prison labor.

https://reason.com/2019/11/22/west-virginia-inmates-will-be-charged-by-the-minute-to-read-e-books-on-tablets/

>>16363704
This is false

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/jan/13/us-states-move-to-stop-prisons-charging-inmates-for-reading-and-video-calls

https://qz.com/1399330/prison-inmates-will-soon-be-reading-ebooks-but-thats-not-a-good-thing/

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 02:04:14 2020 No.16366210

>>16366164
Even if your relatives murderer was found, and found guilty. I sympathize with you, I couldn’t understand your pain, however I am
Removed from your personal connection to the crime. I do not seek to hurt the crimInal in the same way I do not believe in the death penalty, it does not make sense for me to seek retribution or vengeance and do not want the state to commit this in my name as a citizen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 02:04:15 2020 No.16366211 >>16366180 The US is already enacting it in a way, thankfully. It's only the faggot hippies like the ones ITT that are the problem.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 02:05:24 2020 No.16366214 >>16366207 That’s so fucking Insane

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 02:07:52 2020 No.16366224 >>16366210 How will a family receive justice, then? Or should they? I wonder what's your idea of justice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 02:09:05 2020 No.16366233 >>16366207 Oh no, the sweet prisoners have to pay for e-books. Abloo bloo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 02:10:29 2020 No.16366236 >>16366233 Correct.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 02:11:58 2020 No.16366244 >>16366207 2099 for a fucking book??

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 02:12:37 2020 No.16366250

>>16366224
A family won’t. That’s the hard truth. There is no suitable justice for a violent crime where a family would say that’s acceptable. Not even death, the death penalty countless times has been noted by the family to not solve any of their problems with seeking justice. There can only be acceptance and dealing with the crime in other ways.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 02:14:25 2020 No.16366262 >>16366224 Justice is a stupid philosophy. It’s no different to the concept of blood money in Afghanistan. Legality in civil disputes is one thing but justice? No, it’s ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 02:20:55 2020 No.16366301 >>16366207 who the fuck is Anthony Trollope? his works go on for almost two pages wtf

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 02:43:27 2020 No.16366410 >>16366211 >The US >an example of a good/improving and functional judicial system Mis costados.

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 02:48:37 2020 No.16366442

>>16365914
work, school, casual settings or virtual casual settings? pretty much anything if you follow any political or economic commentary. its doubly ironic cause he mentions a tax payer. basically the gist is you are prisoner to the government anyway in such views and everything is government subsidiary these days

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 02:50:09 2020 No.16366447 >>16366410 >le wacky strawman I simply said they were making my fantasies come true, not that they're exemplary.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 02:53:26 2020 No.16366469 >>16363437 step up the game, filicide

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 06:20:51 2020 No.16367284 >>16366134 >>16363892 >>16365026 >>16365982 That's point jabronis. $10,000 is easy to launder, and you'rere getting paid to work out and read books, so it's still worth it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 06:35:46 2020 No.16367338 >>16363420 Isn't that the guy who had an anime Instagram account and killed his mother over low grades- pffft ahaha AHAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 06:44:58 2020 No.16367381

>>16366207
it's slavery.
>give someone 25 years for a minor offense
>put them in privately owned prisons
>force them to work for cents a day, which you force them to pay back to you for necessities.
>don't allow them to read
people in prisons are all scumbags anyway, so it's basically a victimless crime!
capitalism, baby!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 06:46:00 2020 No.16367387 >>16367338 elaborate

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 07:23:17 2020 No.16367537 >>16366052 Can't join if you have debt.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 07:31:23 2020 No.16367574 >>16363795 This is actually real, in Korea. It's for wagies who want to escape the every day and just relax in silence and isolation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpJE6BPpsyY

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 09:02:48 2020 No.16367918 >>16367574 >two days >you can "experience" this on a weekend and still keep your wagie lifestyle harmless

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 11:20:17 2020 No.16368496 >>16365954 Blood lust has to be satiated. If there was no punishments, those who felt they had been wronged would eventually take it out on somebody else.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 11:21:20 2020 No.16368501 >>16368496 this is how it should be >>16365520

Anonymous Tue Sep 15 12:20:38 2020 No.16368806

>>16367387
The kid in OP's picture had an Instagram account named "ryujibu" , where he post random images pertaining to anime, some being jokes but all mainly being secondary to the caption of the posts wherein he would talk casually on his day to day life as to start a small but consistent user base who would interact with him via comments.

This account was part of a community of many all with similar themes, the core being anime based but some drifting off into videogames and other mediums.

However one day the kid killed his mom via strangulation, failing, then strangling her once more, apparently due to a poor grade and an argument breaking out. The fun of it is if you look on his account and scroll through his posts/captions there are endless red flags foreshadowing this.

Some being: Him posting his le edgy dark triad personality test results and being high in psychopathy, him speaking of his gradual emotional decline, speaking of being self sabotaging and etc.

Here's his account link: https://instagram.com/ryujibu?igshid=1qb1beg7f8du4

I recommend at least looking at his most recent post (2 years ago now) and some older ones, the foreshadowing is nearly comical. If you want his name for any articles regarding his sentence it is "Gregory Ramos".

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 12:26:53 2020 No.16368837 YOU DONT GET ANY BOOK YOU WANT ANYTIME YOU WANT ITS NOT A RESORT

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 12:29:45 2020 No.16368856 >>16368806 ah, I see. Thank you, anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 12:57:36 2020 No.16369012 What if they steal your dinner?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 13:24:19 2020 No.16369214 >>16369012 You sacrifice your dinner instead of giving it to them. t.madman

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 13:32:57 2020 No.16369269 >>16369012 Then you fight. What are you, a bitch?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 13:37:28 2020 No.16369290 >>16369269 /lit/ would cower in fear at the thought of an aggressive confrontation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 16:23:02 2020 No.16370313 >>16365982 kek

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 18:05:47 2020 No.16370947 >>16368496 This is sort of Girard's thesis on the Judicial System. It exists as a form of sanctified public violence in order to mitigate reciprocal vengeance and avoid the spiral into sacrificial crisis etc...

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 22:24:17 2020 No.16372367 Best thread on /lit/

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 15 22:32:13 2020 No.16372423 >>16363420 imagine being cellmates with that cutie

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 03:08:23 2020 No.16373852 >>16365003 I think I saw in a documentary that if you self harm/ show intent of suicide you get to be in your own cell.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 05:49:46 2020 No.16374334 >>16365982 Outstanding post

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 08:29:55 2020 No.16374858

>>16363627

Gee, must be nice to sit in country club.

I had to endure 10 months in a treatment program ran by a bunch of asshole Nigerians who’d treat us like utter shit in a concentration boot camp. You’re surrounded by a bunch of retarded queer whites doing stupid shit and have to take showers together. And there was no AC. That was all before the halfway house which was stressful in itself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 08:41:52 2020 No.16374900 >>16364505 It's true. You'll be immediately acquitted of any crime once you tell the judge prison is gonna be fun. Lawyers call it the Bre'er Rabbit Defense.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 10:00:27 2020 No.16375170 >>16364505 seriously though, it's not much of a punishment if the perpetrator is enjoying it And if it's not a punishment, then wtf is it for? How do you punish the unpunishable?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 13:41:06 2020 No.16376242 >>16365493 >cheap labor >average prisoner costs $31k a year to house that's just about half the national median income for a two-person household BEFORE taxes, btw

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:14:08 2020 No.16376404
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>>16366207
BASED Americans, managing to turn every aspect of the criminal justice system into an ancap's wet dream! Private prisons, inmates are paid shit for their work, you have to pay to read books... that's what Freedom and Democracy are all about!

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 14:23:32 2020 No.16376456
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>>16363795
But the idea that you want to do this is a huge sign of severe mental illness.
What we need. for the aimless, is to recreate something similar to the Civilian Conservation Corp. Give people a purpose, help improve the local community, help against climate change.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:16:31 2020 No.16377856 >>16367381 I wish all the retarded things in my life could just be called capitalism as well

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 18:42:56 2020 No.16378028 >>16375170 >And if it's not a punishment, then wtf is it for? How do you punish the unpunishable? Letting them live here outside, "free".

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 19:58:38 2020 No.16378490 >>16377856 they probably can be

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:10:14 2020 No.16378555

>>16368496
>>16370947
We just need to reinstitute wergeld. If you kill or wrong someone, you have to pay up according to the crime or else you're a legitimate target for a feud. Your family is exempt from the feud so long as they don't aid and abet you while there's a feud against you, or if they're helping to come up with the wergeld, but if you don't pay and they still harbor you then they're also legitimate targets. This way you don't commit crimes if you can't pay for the consequences or else you'll get hunted down and your family will disown you. It worked for the Anglo-Saxons, it can work for us.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 20:30:14 2020 No.16378687 >>16363440 The simp take

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 21:03:56 2020 No.16378862 >>16365045 I don’t know. But most prisons, esp. in the South, don’t have hardcore fighting whites. That’s a Cali and Fed thing for the most part, sadly. Southern whites are useless pussies v. blacks in their prisons. Just avoid blacks in prison.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 21:22:44 2020 No.16378971 >>16366207 was just about to commit some felonies, thanks for saving me anon

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 21:47:54 2020 No.16379082

Just make sure you’re not anywhere close to the south if you’re white. I had a manic episode and punched a cop (beat the case because of corona and the BLM shit), and when I got to jail I was the only white person there. Trust me, you do not want to be in there. I don’t know about the prisons, but I assume they’re worse depending on the level.

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>>16364961
>Why did they suddenly stop caring? Prisons these days even allow "conjugal" visits and actual sex. I don't get it.
Conjugal visits are supposed to help rehabiliation next to programs and such things. Being allowed sex with your wife/GF for attending classes/programs are an incentive to living a proper life when you get outside again.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:17:36 2020 No.16379224 There's maybe 3 anons itt who have actually interacted with dangerous criminals

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:21:30 2020 No.16379250 >>16363420 As a public defender, you’re retarded if that is your perception of prison.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:21:44 2020 No.16379252 >>16379177 Who is this comely lass?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:30:11 2020 No.16379312 >>16379224 You probably have interacted with a dangerous criminal and didn't even realize it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:40:55 2020 No.16379374 >>16379312 Yes. I've intentionally interacted with them as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:44:31 2020 No.16379400 File: 96 KB, 728x724, epic meme frog 222222.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16379250 >As a public defender,

Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:48:01 2020 No.16379415

>>16379400
Lol my office is unionized and my pay is almost as equal to the goons at the DA’s office. I went to law school specifically to be a defender. Graduated debt free and living the good life. In the next year or so, will be shifting into Appellate-level work. Life is good, DYEL faggot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 22:50:11 2020 No.16379430 File: 32 KB, 600x655, c2d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16379415 >Lol my office is unionized and my pay is almost as equal (...) (...) 1/2

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>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 16 23:57:34 2020 No.16379775 >>16366055 No I was in there armed robbery and resisting arrest

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 04:20:31 2020 No.16380895 >>16379775 what drove you to that?

Anonymous Thu Sep 17 07:36:33 2020 No.16381522

>>16365899
>Punishment has been proven not to work
Nor does rehabilitation and being nice to prisoners either. There is no proof when we are talking in relation to psychology.
Some observations have been made but that does not make it 'proof.' Scientific ethics is the reason why we do not have solid proof. That is not to say that we should abolish ethics, it just means it will take longer and we may never actually know the truth in our life time

Anonymous Thu Sep 17 07:52:04 2020 No.16381572

>>16368806
Jesus this is horrible. This makes me feel really digusting, I introduced two mentally unstable guys to r9k when I was 15. It does not surprise me that the short exposure to r9k twisted this kid into a psyco killer. Sad he was so young, he will never forgive himself and forever regret it. I'm all for punishment but this sort of kid is the kid that could be rehabilitated with the correct literature.
Sometimes worries me that one morning I will wake up and find out that one of those guys i
introduced 4chan to kills his mum, or kills some 'roastie' or nonwhite.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 17 09:04:17 2020 No.16381815 >>16364939 They don't want you if you're weak either

Anonymous Thu Sep 17 09:17:44 2020 No.16381871

All you have to do is act insane and keep attacking guards over and over again and you get solitary, eventually they will bring you in for a talk, you tell them that you can hear the thoughts of everyone around you and they're all plotting to kill you and that's why you keep attacking guards, they will then put you in protective custody and/or move you to the mental ward. Problem solved.

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