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Memes From Underground
This is the worst thing I've ever read

>> No.16358094

>>16358079
Yeah, Dostoyevsky is cringe.

>> No.16358106

>>16358094
Does it ever get better or start to resemble a useful point? I hate dropping things, especially something this short, but I am genuinely shocked at how much of a chore it is.

>> No.16358160

>>16358106
Part 1 is completely different to part 2. And you have been filtered by one of his easiest works, so probably just stop now.

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>>16358106
>>16358094
>>16358079
Reddit

>> No.16358204

Skip notes, literally any of his other works are better. Notes is such trash.
>so cool and subversive when the dude who dramatically complains about everything doesn’t actually live his life according to his convictions and is instead a spineless faggot
So deep.

>> No.16358207

>>16358160
Is unapproachable rambling a measure of quality to you? I don't mind if something is challenging but this doesn't seem to hold any worth so far. I'm not far from part 2 so I'll refrain from dropping it just yet, but "filtered" is a poor argument for anything that's deliberately obtuse from the onset. Big difference between a filter in something that's established itself to be good and a filter before you're invested.

>> No.16358214

>>16358204
>doesn’t actually live his life according to his convictions and is instead a spineless faggot
you missed the point. The second half is a prequel. It's *before* he became the man in the first half.

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Brothers Karamazov > Demons > Idiot > Notes from the Underground > powergap > Crime and Punishment

>> No.16358221

>>16358214
Oh so he’s just butthurt. That’s even worse.

>> No.16358224

>>16358214
>expecting retards who are calling this work bad to have reading comprehension

>> No.16358255

>>16358182
>>16358217
Dosto is shit though. Prime midwit core

>> No.16358258

>>16358207
>t. delusional and filtered

>> No.16358259

>>16358204
It was a take on the inertia of the "superfluous man" character repurposed and infused with the nihilist current rising in the russian youth and also a polemic on the materialist socialist critics like Chernyshevsky and their ilk who thought that the progress of the modern world would lead to all things measured and accounted for in regards to the human experiences. He wanted to portray a defeated person who does not see God or the spirit of life in the world and cannot force himself to act in accordance with a normal moral life.
His rejection of the world and others is his spite.

Of course there are more reasons to read his later works but Underground is a key analysis into the kind of person he was trying to reach in C&P and beyond.
>>16358207
How's about you keep reading before you give your ill-informed opinion, then? Part one is his rationalised attitude of a wasted life and part two is an account of some event in his younger years, which is actually a lot funnier and smoother read than the opening.

But the mere fact that you couldn't pick up what Dostoevsky was going for in the opening leads me to believe that you do not have enough context either of Russian lit, the period, or just literature at large.

>> No.16358260

>>16358255
No one is arguing whether he's bad in general, this thread is more about Notes itself and its ranking among his works.

>> No.16358307

>>16358259
>How's about you keep reading before you give your ill-informed opinion, then?
Hence why I made a thread AND said I'd keep reading after verifying that this was a filter within the post you just replied to. I don't think my ability to get what he's going for is directly tied to my enjoyment. Anything that doesn't grab you at the start has a chance to lose readers, so a boring opening like this is a risk. I made clear that my opinion was regarding what I'd read. I don't believe I made any outlandish assumptions about the implied quality moving forward. Have you never considered dropping something before? That's the only context I can see fueling a poorly socialized response like yours.

>> No.16358364

>>16358307
Perhaps the opening of Notes from the Underground did not interest you because it sounds like one of your everyday internal monologues.
Jesus Christ, read the book. What a stupid waste of a thread. Wanting a dopamine hit inbetween the pages. Fucking retard.

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>> No.16358401

>>16358364
>>16358372
just the sort of responses i expected from you intellectuals. God forbid someone doesn't share your fetish for sunk cost fallacy

>> No.16358408

>>16358401
HAHAHAHA

It's actually him >>16358372