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>lived a degenerate lifestyle
>most of his ideas were refuted
>his masterpiece, communism, is a dismal failure in practice
>only his critiques and criticisms of capitalism remain

Can we just forget about this old fucker?

>> No.16354792

>>16354783
>Can we just forget about this old fucker?
I can, but evidently you can’t if you’re going to make threads about him.

>> No.16354819

>>16354783
>>lived a degenerate lifestyle
How?
>>most of his ideas were refuted
How? Show me.
>>his masterpiece, communism, is a dismal failure in practice
But it hasnt?
>>only his critiques and criticisms of capitalism remain
That's not true. Labour movements are still alive all over the world.

>> No.16354853

>>16354783
Congratulations retard: you did the opposite of a "philosophically debunking". You just owned yourself.

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>>16354819
>How?
He did drugs and was fat. I wouldn't do drugs and am in pretty good shape.

>How? Show me.
See pic related

>But it hasnt?
Ukraine, Russia, China, Cambodia, Cuba, Venezuela. The list just goes on and will keep going on as long as idiots like you continue to exist.

>That's not true. Labour movements are still alive all over the world.
I would hardly call Marx the father of Labour movements. Many more intellectuals contributed much more than he did to Labour.

>> No.16354871

>>16354783
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism_in_20_years

>> No.16354875

>>16354853
I would say I did a good job of philosophically debunking him. What do you think I did wrong?

>> No.16354889
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16354889

>le epic debunking thread
Without looking it up, how many volumes of Capital are there?

>> No.16354892

>>16354783
>philosophy of communism
<primarily an economist
>lived a degenerate lifestyle
<wife and kids
>most of his ideas were refuted
<statism remains a really bad idea. The *philosophy* of the commune is to do away with the state
>his masterpiece, communism, is a dismal failure in practice
<Catalonian Spain was running well enough till Stalin and Franco started killing people
>only his critiques and criticisms of capitalism remain
<He says as we head into another Great Depression

>Can we just forg—
Shut the fuck up

>> No.16354901

>>16354783
> rapes his maid in your path

>> No.16354906

>>16354858
>Well, I wouldn’t fuck him
>Socialism is when the government does stuff
Again SHUT THE FUCK UP

>> No.16354917

>>16354858
That's funny because your image is in the "capitalist" side is literally the LTV.

>> No.16354934
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16354934

>>16354858
COMMUNISM ABOLISHES THE VALUE-FORM YOU IDIOT. VALUE IS AN ABSTRACT CONCEPT FOR EXCHANGE. IT POSITS THAT TWO THINGS ARE THE SAME THING. IT ISN'T A LAW OF THE FUCKING UNIVERSE. WHEN WE HAVE COMMUNISM, WE WILL NOT HAVE COMMODITY EXCHANGE. PEOPLE WILL ONLY TAKE WHAT THEY NEED BECAUSE THEY WONT BELIEVE IN THE VALUE FORM, AND THEY WILL WORK TO PRODUCE WHAT THEY NEED, BECAUSE THEY WONT BE ALIENATED FROM THEIR LABOUR.

>> No.16354937

>>16354934
Sounds like a bunch of fag shit.

No, thanks.

>> No.16354939

>>16354875
Random unsourced personal attacks do not constitute a philosophical refutation of his ideas, anon.

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>>16354937
Enjoy your trip to the gulag. None of your kind will be spared.

>> No.16355042

>>16354906
I thought trannies didn't have periods

>> No.16355079

>>16355042
They don’t. I’m not a tranny

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16355101

>>16355079
You're not trans?

>> No.16355104
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16355104

Anarcho-communalism > Statist communism

>> No.16355122

>>16354783
>"Philosophically debunking communism"

>proceeds to talk about how communism never works in PRACTISE

nigger

>> No.16355125

>>16355104
This picture is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. The Shimazu Clan vs. the Illuminati?

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16355139

>>16355122
Yes

>> No.16355142

>>16355079
Sure. Why are you so angry if you can't have periods?

>> No.16355168

Yeah Im going to call troll.

>> No.16355177

>>16354901
That was Hegel

>> No.16355183

>>16355125
Its a joke

>> No.16355184

>>16355101
No. Anonymous says these things to belittle others. Trolling.
>>16355168
It was pretty weak, but that’s most posts here, isn’t it
>>16355142
? Not all women freak out on their periods. Don’t want to get into it here.

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16355191

>>16355104
>Anarcho-communalism > Statist communism
This

>> No.16355208

>>16354858
>what is the labor theory of value
god I hope you get raped by mexican immigrants

>> No.16355236

>>16354858
>He did drugs and was fat. I wouldn't do drugs and am in pretty good shape.
I'm not a gommie but how does this contribute to refuting Marx.

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Didn't happen

>> No.16355266

>>16354892
Come on bubsy, having a wife and kids is peak degeneracy

>> No.16355280

>>16354934
>PEOPLE WILL ONLY TAKE WHAT THEY NEED BECAUSE THEY WONT BELIEVE IN THE VALUE FORM, AND THEY WILL WORK TO PRODUCE WHAT THEY NEED
This sounds like pure fantasy. Once our needs are met we will want more.

>> No.16355318

>>16355280
Then make more

>> No.16355325

>>16354858
>I wouldn't do drugs
loser detected, opinion discarded

>> No.16355328

>>16355318
How does this work with automation looming in the horizon?

>> No.16355329

>>16355208
Are you saying mexican immigrants are rapists?

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>>16354783
Tell me what kind of gay wankers are these people that start these threads every day with the dumbest green texting that make absolutely no sense. Do you just want to show that you have heard of Marx and communism and feel smart because of it or what is the meaning behind it? It just makes absolutely no sense, and you just don't get it, that it's just plain embarrassing you special school students. What's the point of just talking shit? Please tell me. Please delete your internet access.

This does not only apply to Marx, it applies to everything you talk about in this forum. This is a complete waste of time. And it just upsets me so much but it goes away and then I forget it again, because I don't waste my time with that shit, but I know that you are here. That's why I came here briefly to say that.

I tried to be nice once, but apparently you only take note of something when speaking in your language, and that's why I say, FUCK YOU!

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16355354

>>16355280
more epic products to consoom right? More iphones and teslas and funko pops. Gotta keep them factories running, gotta keep making more commodities to consoom, that's just human nature. Here's an idea. How about when your needs are met and you want more you just sit down and read a book, maybe water your fucking garden. Fucking materialists man.

>> No.16355379

>>16354858
BUT ANON
VALUE IS AN ABSTRACT CONCEPT NOOOOOOOOO

>> No.16355383

> they said debunked
go back to rationalist youtube

>> No.16355387

>>16354889
its very funny that your first attempt at refutation is bashing neoliberal capitalism, as if communism is an anti-thesis rather than an ideology that would stand on its own merits.>>16355079
>Statist

>> No.16355395

>>16355387
>communism is an ideology
uh wat

>> No.16355396

>>16355387
>>16355079

woops didnt mean to tag you

>> No.16355401

>>16355354
It is human nature, we all have a drive to climb the latter and improve our status.

>> No.16355411

>>16355395
oh my mistake, i should instead accept your false premise of empiricism.

>> No.16355419

>>16354783
>>his masterpiece, communism, is a dismal failure in practice
>>only his critiques and criticisms of capitalism remain

sounds like you've entirely misunderstood Marx

>> No.16355433

>>16354934
For 150 years all communists have provided is this incredibly basic abstract sketch and adamantly refuse to elaborate any further.

>> No.16355436
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16355436

Why do Marx threads bring out the idiots of all stripes on this board? Even the most basic, low effort, 2 IQ shitposting on any other author- from Joyce to Kafka to DFW to fucking Nick Land- usually indicates at least a basic familiarity with the actual content of their work. Yet people feel confident slamming out 150 posts about Marx where it is evident that maybe two people in the entire thread have even bothered to read the wikipedia summary of his work.

>> No.16355472

>>16354783
>only his critiques and criticisms of capitalism remain
LMAO, what about worker and consumer rights?
If we don't have sweatshops paying children 10 cents per hour in the west and 8 hours shifts instead of 12 you can thank Marx and the early unions inspired by his work.
Unfortunately americans were brainwashed by cold war propaganda so now it's impossible to have an argument about Marx without them losing their minds.

>> No.16355490

>>16355436
Thank you, that's exactly what I meant.

It seems as if they have heard from Marx but learned nothing of the different contexts and historical meaning and what he actually achieved. I think that has to do with the nihilism of our time and the self-overestimation of some teenagers and people between 18-25. These people think they are special and are able to correctly interpret Marx, which is just ridiculous. If you're that interested, go to college, my goodness. Or if you like, learn by yourself and write a proper essay or give a lecture. But of course they don't care that much, do they? They just want to talk shit.

As I said, this applies to almost everything in this forum, not just Marx. But at some point you are old enough and have gained enough experience to understand that and to be honest it is not very difficult.

>> No.16355495

>>16355472
You talk like socialism wouldn't have existed without Marx.

>> No.16355518

>>16355436
>>16355490
And the most amazing thing is that these idiots keep going on like talking against a wall. They just overlook it and just keep talking shit. It doesn't matter what arguments you have.

>> No.16355521

>>16355411
wat

>> No.16355688

>>16355395
>communism is an ideology
Yes