/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16329336]

what are some books for this phenomenon?

[Anonymous No.16329369]

None.
They're too busy watching anime to read.

[Anonymous No.16329372]

>>16329336
mother fucker stop posting that picture you atheist or pagan LARPer cuck not funny

[Anonymous No.16329381]

>>16329372
t. 15 year old 'trad' Cath that worships neo-gothic cathedrals

[Anonymous No.16329391]

>>16329372
>mother fucker stop posting that picture you atheist or pagan LARPer cuck not funny

[Anonymous No.16329409]

>>16329381
>>16329391
fuck you guys. you know i was a STEM tier atheist cuck like you till I read the bible and went to church.

[Anonymous No.16329425]

>>16329409
>fuck you guys. you know i was a STEM tier atheist cuck like you till I read the bible and went to church.

[Anonymous No.16329428]

>>16329372
>mother fucker stop posting that picture you atheist or pagan LARPer cuck not funny

[Anonymous No.16329432]

I guess this one is pretty much close

[Anonymous No.16329440]

>>16329336
Yeah, and I'm a total chad. Sucks to be you "adult" losers. Go watch he-man gramps.

[Anonymous No.16329464]

>>16329440
tradcath larpers are the 2020s equivalent of 2010s rational atheist spergs

[Anonymous No.16329479]

>>16329336
lmao

[Anonymous No.16329487]

Is this just the atheist equivilent of the fedora meme? The fedora thing doesn't discredit atheism and neither does this discredit religion.

[Anonymous No.16329682]

>>16329464
This. It's just that being an edgy atheist stopped being for the cool kids and now the contrarian option is being a christcuck. Just what you would expect from this site.

[Anonymous No.16329844]

>>16329682
Don't care, still worshipping God.

[Anonymous No.16329908]

>>16329487
No, but they do discredit the particular cultural forces which spawned these memes. Fedora guys are not anywhere near as egregious as OP's pic related though. Their entire world-view makes them susceptible to having a proper argument. The tradcath is basically equivalent to the middle-aged Buddhist wine mom in this regard. It's impossible to have a logically sound debate with them because they disregard the entire institutions of logic and epistemology themselves.

[Anonymous No.16329961]

>>16329844
It's okay, you'll grow out of this phase.

[Anonymous No.16329978]

>>16329908
>one I agree with isnt as bad as one I disagree with though
yeah hume truly awoke you from that dogmatic slumber lmao..
Theyre both philosophically illiterate midwits

[Anonymous No.16329995]

>>16329908
Not really. Edward feser is probably the tradcath icon wheras people like dawkins are the fedora one. Feser is far more rigourous philosophically than any new atheist even if hes still for mass consumption. Not to mention after virtue which I see a lot of tradcaths mention, which is genuinely good.

[Anonymous No.16330048]

I just can't imagine why kids would be disillusioned with modern society and seek refuge in the most traditional and rigorous religion they have access too.

[Anonymous No.16330130]

>>16329995
I have never even heard of Feser but I agree that with respects to who they idolize tradcath kiddies may be superior. After all, a big part of the whole aestethic is the exaltation of things past and academic. Surely, Thomism is at least not quite as trivially wrong as the physicalism which fedora guys expound because "it is scientific" despite never reading an academic article on the subject.
I was talking more about the people themselves. They are stagnant in their thought because instead of being cognitively blind to certain aspects of life (which is the problem of the fedoras), they deny the whole process of discourse in general. See >>16329978 for example. I am not sure if he was being ironic or not but he perfectly illustrated what I was talking about.
Give a Dawkins idolizer a book by Chalmers and he may just have his mind changed on a critical issue. Give a christcuck a book by Hume and he just sneers and starts shitposting (50-50 that he will claim to have read it but further "discussion" will reveal that he is lying).

[Anonymous No.16330167]

>>16330048
this
i used to be a normie who believed in political nuance and arguments, but became a hardcore christian when i saw what kind of disgusting abnormal shit leftists advocate for
world really needs jesus

[Anonymous No.16330221]

>>16329336
plantinga and WLC are basically the tradlarper equivalent of hitchens and harris
go look into shitty zoomer comments on youtube under videos of "epic debates" which prove jewish god exists, if you want to branch out into their echo chambers

[Anonymous No.16330229]

>>16330048
my nigga

[Anonymous No.16330242]

>>16330221
never heard of them
religious circles aren't really into personalities or muh rashunal argument like that and don't really use the internet that much
atheists are more online and internet savvy, christians seem way more normie to use these mediums
most ive seen are vaticancatholic "destroying modernists" and those "end times are coming, repent to jesus" videos

[Anonymous No.16330276]

>>16330242
>never heard of them
>religious circles aren't really into personalities or muh rashunal argument like that and don't really use the internet that much
If you've never heard of them then you clearly don't really know these people or much of anything about this phenomena. Tradlarpers spend a lot of energy regurgitating shitty arguments like the kalam, and absolutely circlejerk over how "logical" they are.
Honestly if you don't know who Plantinga is you probably aren't familiar with apologetics in general, I'm not sure where you perceive you familiarity is with this topic.

[Anonymous No.16330297]

>>16329336
cringe

[Anonymous No.16330306]

>>16330048
>the most traditional and rigorous religion
>Roman Catholicism
Pick one

[Anonymous No.16330311]

>>16330276
idk, im fairly well acquainted with tradlarpers and they watch stuff like taylor marshall and chrch militant or if you are protestant living waters and wretched
and its not even tradlarpers who watch these shit primarily, but the small percentage of boomers who know how to turn on the internets

[Anonymous No.16330340]

>>16330311
>its not even tradlarpers who watch these shit primarily, but the small percentage of boomers who know how to turn on the internets
I think this is at the core, your perspective is about boomers and you are perhaps trying to carry those generalizations into your conception of tradlarper zoomers
I get a lot of laughs reading what they say in their own little communities online, these aren't boomers on facebook or w/e, I think you just have the wrong group of people in mind for this topic

[Anonymous No.16330355]

>>16330340
nope, im saying it the way it is, people who comment about this kind of stuff are usually boomers
because religious kids, first of all, barely exist and secondly their religious parents don't let them use media and thridly are uber normie
im serious, you arent aware of how normie the vast majority of trad religious people are

[Anonymous No.16330379]

>>16330355
I'm literally providing you with pictures of these kids talking and telling you the sort of youtube videos you'll find them on, anyone is capable of seeing what I'm saying for themself
it seems like you are mostly concerned with some argument about how prevalent they are, or relative to boomers, all I can say is I don't care about that
I'm talking purely about the tradlarper zoomer phenomena

[Anonymous No.16330382]

>>16330048
>become disgusted by our suicidal, guilt ridden, subverted society
>realize that Christianity and its offspring, Liberalism and Bolshevism, are responsible
>become a reconstructivist Pagan

[Anonymous No.16330396]

I don't see why some kids being a little silly about their religion is such a problem because they're aiming toward the good. If you're an atheist I can see why you would have a problem with "tradlarpers" but you're a fag and nobody cares what you think.

[Anonymous No.16330412]

>>16329336
I hate summer

[Anonymous No.16330431]

>>16330379
and im trying to tell you that tradlarper zoomers are extremely normie
internet atheists and leftists are internet savvy and understand memes and stuff, trad religious people dont
if you want an actual insight into it go watch worlds strictest parents

[Anonymous No.16330442]

>>16330396
good goy

[Anonymous No.16330680]

>>16330396
because they're annoying self righteous larpers. are you some triggered tradcath tard

[Anonymous No.16330711]

>>16329336

[Anonymous No.16330715]

>>16329336
The Bible.

[Anonymous No.16330730]

>>16329372
>Spends 12 hours a day on Twitter
Heh i'm so trad

[Anonymous No.16330738]

>>16329487
It doesn't try to disprove religion. It more about mocking trads who are just following trends. If someone wants to save his own soul, good for him, but trads are just fetishizing social order and aesthetic that is long gone.

[Anonymous No.16330775]

>>16330738
>If someone wants to save his own soul
this individualization of religion you are doing here is such cancer
religion is supposed to guide the whole world and set up the model for social order among others

[Anonymous No.16330802]

>>16330396
If you're actually Catholic you should have a big fucking problem. These guys are the colonists of further Americanization. Ironically, the BASED TradCath is the first wave of de-tradding Catholicism.

>>16330775
The entire intellectual history of Christianity disagrees with you. This is actually one of the criticisms that Julian the Apostate levies at Christianity, that it promotes the atomization of the individual in the name of salvation, cleaving them from family, kin, clan, etc.

[Anonymous No.16330818]

>>16330802
>The entire intellectual history of Christianity disagrees with you.
if you consider protestantism to be progress lol
>that it promotes the atomization of the individual in the name of salvation, cleaving them from family
it is quite ironic knowing the moral and cultural state of roman paganism and even comparing it to contemporary apostate society

[Anonymous No.16330869]

>>16330775
Religion is supposed to prepare you for the next world or state of being, society or social order can't carry the cross of others. Your tradcath social order can't make people repent and be saved, even though it might be good for the material or mental well-being of the society.

[Anonymous No.16330890]

>>16330802
Perhaps from family, but that's pretty clearly a possibility in Christianity.
>If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Christianity built up society at large though, and Julian himself acknowledged it.
>Why, then, do we think that this is enough, why do we not observe that it is their benevolence to strangers, their care for the graves of the dead and the pretended holiness of their lives that have done most to increase atheism?

Atheism being Christianity.

[Anonymous No.16330898]

>>16330869
one of main things about tradcath - where tradcath separates from regular cath - is its insistence on religion shaping entire social order instead of being just individual
its a lot like mahayana vs hinayana in that regard

[Anonymous No.16330909]

Catholicism is a Romanist importation associated with spics and wops.
The only trad religion that will work in America is Mormonism since it was birthed in the states. Their High birth rates show this to be true.

[Anonymous No.16330931]

>>16330890
We've had some 1,500 years to boil down these currents. Call it a heresy, call it Christianity taken to its logical conclusion, but the fact that these ideas are Christian ones is simple fact. Anon is wrong for arguing that Christianity has no "individualization of religion", it is where individualization of anything in the West comes from.

The fact that the process of getting to this heretical state produces societies exponentially shittier than actual proper Christian ones doesn't change that.

[Anonymous No.16330945]

>>16330431
K boomer nu-atheism is dead for like 10 years already and tradcath is a new cool ideology people subscribe to, its essentially the opposite what you said, atheists on the internet are more likely to be normies than tradcaths

>>16330311
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about

[Anonymous No.16330959]

>>16330909
BUILT FOR BBC

[Anonymous No.16331017]

>>16330945
>K boomer nu-atheism is dead for like 10 years
I thought this too but it's still quite prominent on certain sections of YouTube and I see a lot more of it on facebook these days.
People are less talkative about it but it's still quite popular.

[Anonymous No.16331034]

>>16329336
I have a feeling that Crusader Kings 2 is responsible for this

[Anonymous No.16331056]

>>16330909
heres a protip:
rest of catholics dislikes hispanics and italians just like you do

[Anonymous No.16331080]

>>16330909
Having 6 wives is trad now apparently

[Anonymous No.16331146]

>>16329336

If you follow someone on twitter or even worse fucking stream you aren't a tradcath, you are just mentally disabled guys that need to be beaten with a stick

If you want to follow someone on twitter follow some vip and athletes, if you want to follow some streamers consider suicide

[Anonymous No.16331152]

>>16329372
lmao

[Anonymous No.16331162]

>>16331017
Yeah, but these channels are primarly watched by normies. Look at any "dissident" and "edgy" circle (and these are responsible for memes) and you will notice that not that many people identify as atheists, and if even they could be identified as such, they would probably have strong objections towards package of related ideas assosiated with atheism - relativism, materializm, progressivism and even maybe individualism. They would probably say that atheism is cringe. So "hot" internet culture and memes areny created by atheists, like anon before wanted to point out:
>religious parents forbidding their children from using the internet lol

[Anonymous No.16331168]

Haha this was me 3 years ago

[Anonymous No.16331200]

>>16330340
I mean their picture isn't wrong.

[Anonymous No.16331213]

>>16331162
>So "hot" internet culture and memes areny created by atheists
Certainly some truth to that, it's why most atheist memes look like their stuck in a 2008 time warp.
These things come in phases though and to borrow a religious term I wouldn't be surprised if we saw some kind of online atheist 'revival'.

[Anonymous No.16331242]

>>16331017
Zoomers weren't alive when the atheism vs Christianity debates were going on, so they don't really get that become a based tradcath or orthobro is actually just a victory lap for the atheists. In America, "Christianity" meant - and truthfully, still means - a form of low-church Protestantism. Southern Baptism and Methodism are the two best examples of this. You can find huge swathes of the country where if you say that your pray you'll still be asked if you're "Catholic, or Christian". Outside of setting up a standard that these low-church types could never live up to, the atheists really didn't care all that much about Catholicism, and Orthodoxy was basically unheard of. There were entire websites were autistic nerds would go through Aquinas, dunking on him, but these were viewed as being worthless: most Christians had never heard of Aquinas, so he was often used as a weapon by the atheists, to demonstrate that some Fundie's beliefs were totally out of line with prior Christians.

And they won. There are no more Fundies on the internet. Southern Bapistry is hemorrhaging members, and Methodism and Lutheranism are little more than real estate holding companies now. By being a based and redpilled epic tradzoomer, you are literally proving the atheists right. There's nothing more trad than converting to a denomination that your grandparents considered Satanic.

[Anonymous No.16331335]

>>16330048
Period.

[Anonymous No.16331342]

>>16331242
ironically enough catholics consider protestants to be liberal
when i first heard that prots consider individualism and capitalism to be positive and traditional things i was utterly bewildered because these are the stereotypical catholic liberal boogeymen

[Anonymous No.16331383]

>>16331200
you zoomer tradlarpers don't even realize how deep of a retreat your larp is in
20 years ago there were still real christians who believed in the bible and that genesis was true
you've been bullied so thoroughly by fedoras over "i am monkey" that you've actually changed your religion

[Anonymous No.16331420]

>>16331342
There is certainly an aspect to this of Progressive Christianity using atheism as a cudgel to beat its less Liberal brother (Evangelical Christianity) over the head. Ask a Liberal if they believe in a higher power, and they will. They might reify "karma", but it has nothing in common with the Dharmic ideas of karma, and is really just the idea that a higher power tests, rewards, and punishes them. They'll even defend Creationism.

They just have to do all of this while walking on egg-shells, of course, which is why the smarter of them will adopt Simulationism.

[Anonymous No.16331465]

>>16329336
Anyone think Paradox Interactive is largely responsible for this?

[Anonymous No.16331519]

>>16331465
I think they have a part to play in all this, but I don't think they are the sole cause

[Anonymous No.16331543]

>>16331465
yeah, paradox games are for autistic nerds who end up becoming communist larpers, nazi larpers or tradcath monarchist larpers
anyone with over a hundred hours on a paradox game should be shot

[Anonymous No.16331560]

>>16329336
Just go to Dr. Taylor Marshall's youtube page instead and you'll see

[Anonymous No.16331573]

>>16329336
Good books for zoomer Tradcaths:

Thomas Merton, The Seven Story Mountain

Thomas a Kempis, The Imitation of Christ

Sr. Faustina, Divine Mercy in My Soul

Therese of Lisieux, The Story of a Soul

D'Elbee, I Believe in Love

[Anonymous No.16331578]

>>16331465
ck2 and total war games are 100% guilty of giving autists historical fantasies to base their identities on
cathocuck larpers, pagan fags... so many of them got their start by latching on to whatever they saw as representing where they "came from" in the game and then emulating that as a form of traditionalism/identity

[Anonymous No.16331592]

>>16329336
the big book of reddit

[Anonymous No.16331605]

>>16331242
>There's nothing more trad than converting to a denomination that your grandparents considered Satanic.

I had considered that before. God used the fedora-tippers as an instrument to bring the children of fundamentalists into the Catholic Church. Beautiful!

[Anonymous No.16331613]

>>16331605
>hadn't

[Anonymous No.16331648]

>>16330382
this guy gets it