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[Anonymous No.16305384]

Are there any good books that predict the future of religion, now that most major religions are dying or otherwise in decline? I feel like we're living in some form of twilight age similar to the old cults of the Roman empire, which were eventually usurped by the Christians, which were then young and energetic. But what will our Christianity be?

[Anonymous No.16305408]

>>16305384
Groups like Mormons, Amish and Orthodox Jews are breeding like rabbits while everyone else is failing to even breed at replacement levels. If current trends were to continue, the Amish would make up half the U.S. population in 200 years. Not saying that trends will continue like that for the next two centuries, but it's a good indication of the kind of wild demographic forces at play. 1/3 of the Israeli under-5 population are from ultra-Orthodox Jewish families now. If you want to find out more Google "desecularisation."

[Anonymous No.16305412]

>>16305408
what can man do against such reckless breeding

[Anonymous No.16305485]

>>16305408
>desecularisation
Any good books on this?

[Anonymous No.16306362]

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[Anonymous No.16306403]

So, the undercurrents of thought are still around, and the political parties in the west have taken on religious function. Economy has become soteriological, and because of its divine status you no longer are separated from god. Without separation from god, there is no longer sin. The far left pushes traditional eschatology, while the right is caught up in the fantasy of ilo tempore.

>what will be our Christianity?
My guess is wokeness. The reason I say that is because we live in the era of AI, and selling a moral narrative gets more clicks than regular advertisement. Algorithms recognize this, and over time woke capital becomes more prevalent due to the simple fact that morality gets more clicks.
In over to overcome wokeness we need to overcome capital, and to overcome capital we need to remove its soteriological function.

[Anonymous No.16306947]

>>16306403
I dont think wokeness will be anything, as it doesnt fulfill any true spiritual or psychological needs.

[Anonymous No.16306959]

>>16305384
Too new of a phenomenon to have a proper book/study out on it yet, however there are some decent twitter accounts who explain it fairly well

[Anonymous No.16306969]

>>16306959
>some decent twitter accounts

[Anonymous No.16307014]

Taylor's most recent doorstopper is about this I think, pretty secular Catholic view though. Eliade and Jung ultimately wanted some kind of higher integration of the present crisis of disenchantment and modernism into a higher religiosity, which is more or less the romantic vision you can find in varying degrees also in the American transcendentalists.

Another view is the Traditionalist one, that ages of dissolution and decay like this one are recurrent and even inevitable, and there is nothing for it except to stop them from crushing you if you are one of the few people awake to the possibility of something else, while preserving the embers of tradition for a coming generation that will be in a better position and have different (hitherto unpredictable) resources at their disposal.

[Anonymous No.16307044]

>>16306947
>as it doesnt fulfill any true spiritual or psychological needs
Maybe not for you, but it absolutely offers both of those things. If it wasn't being pushed by marketing AI, I think it would die out rather quickly, and frankly I'm hoping that it still does. But it's worth taking not of.
The second tier bourgeoisie are siding with the lumpenproles against the first tier bourgeoisie and the proletariat. "Wokeness" offers expiation for the guilt of having more access to the soteriological resource in society, capital. It follows the christian eschatology in the way that everything which is sinful (institutions that give unequal outcomes) must be destroyed. Unequal outcomes are inherently problematic, because a person shouldn't have more access to the divine than others. However you can strip the divine away from someone as punishment for going against the group.
Now, "wokeness" itself won't be the new religion, of course. But it is a prelude to it. And the children of today have already internalized many of these mores.

Other things being equal, religious movements will succeed to the degree that:
>1 They retain cultural continuity with the conventional faiths of the societies within which they seek converts.
Christianity is meeting them halfway
>2 Their doctrines are non-empirical.
Check
>3 They maintain a medium level of tension with their surrounding environment - are strict, but not too strict.
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>4 They have legitimate leaders with adequate authority to be effective.
(4a) Adequate authority requires clear doctrinal justifications for an effective and legitimate leadership.
(4b) Authority is regarded as more legitimate and gains in effectiveness to the degree that members perceive themselves as participants in the system of authority.
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>5 They can generate a highly motivated, volunteer, religious labor force, including many willing to proselytize.
See BLM
>6 They maintain a level of fertility sufficient to at least offset member mortality.
Unlikely
>7 They compete against weak, local conventional religious organizations within a relatively unregulated religious economy.
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>8 They sustain strong internal attachments, while remaining an open social network, able to maintain and form ties to outsiders.
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>9 They continue to maintain sufficient tension with their environment - remain sufficiently strict.
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>10 They socialize the young sufficiently well as to minimize both defection and the appeal of reduced strictness.
Check

[Anonymous No.16307085]

>>16307044
>They maintain a level of fertility sufficient to at least offset member mortality.
>Unlikely
It doesn't matter because they don't reproduce sexually but via hivemind assimilation.