/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16282826]

>At the heart of St. John’s College undergraduate program is a liberal arts curriculum focused on the most important books and ideas of Western civilization. Following a reading list that includes many Great Books, all classes are conducted seminar-style, with faculty facilitating the discussion. Our liberal arts undergraduate program is a truly comprehensive education that is perhaps the most rigorous in America.
>Freshman reading list includes the works of Homer, Aeschylus, Herodotus, Plato, Sophocles, Aristophanes, Thucydides, Aristotle, Lucretius, and Euripides

Is this the most /lit/ university in America?

[Anonymous No.16282832]

>>16282826
nothing more lit than going 200k in debt and being unemployable

[Anonymous No.16282841]

>>16282826
Any school that is primarily devoted to, or has a degree devoted to, the Great Books is pretty based and /lit/.

A bit more affordable, but Baylor University has something similar with their Honors College and their Great Texts program.

[Anonymous No.16282862]

>>16282832
You could actually become a university professor very easily after going there. It's considered the top of the liberal arts schools.

[Anonymous No.16282885]

>>16282826
I hope they can keep making the school of resentment seethe going into the future. They're probably trying so hard to undermine this and similar programs right now

[Anonymous No.16282888]

>>16282862
>You could actually become a university professor very easily after going there. It's considered the top of the liberal arts schools.
sounds lovely making less money than the average college grad with 200k in debt just to learn a hobby

[Anonymous No.16282902]

>>16282826
Yes, but it's only /lit/ because they read them in translation.

[Anonymous No.16282906]

>>16282902
No, they don't. They learn Latin.

[Anonymous No.16282921]

>>16282906
>Homer, Aeschylus, Herodotus, Plato, Sophocles, Aristophanes, Thucydides, Aristotle and Euripides wrote in Latin

[Anonymous No.16282929]

>>16282921
They learn Latin and Greek at that school. Look at their wiki page at least.

[Anonymous No.16282952]

>>16282929
Just because they have "language study" does not mean that they read the texts in the original. There is no way that they do, especially since their reading list takes classics from world literature, not just the Classics. Either it's a college for Bloom-level geniuses or it's a college for translation pseuds.

[Anonymous No.16282955]

>>16282952
What I wouldn't give to go back and be a "translation pseud" in undergrad

[Anonymous No.16282963]

>>16282826
My philosophy prof went there. I love her ;__;

[Anonymous No.16282973]

>>16282952
>Either it's a college for Bloom-level geniuses or it's a college for translation pseuds.

[Anonymous No.16282990]

>>16282952
Their reading list is largely Latin, Greek and English texts. They have a separate program for east asian philosophy.

[Anonymous No.16283013]

>>16282990
Look at their reading list past the freshman year. I'm sure it's a worthwhile education in many respects but there is no way they are reading the texts in anything other than translation. You probably wouldn't even read all of the texts listed in their freshman year in the original during a whole Classics degree at Oxford.

[Anonymous No.16283022]

My high school philiosophy teacher strongly recommended I go there rather than community college. 2 years of (incompleted) community college and 8 years of wage cucking later, i wish i had listened to him. Unfortunately my parents kinda sold me down the river of "community college is so much cheaper"

[Anonymous No.16283041]

>>16283022
the only job you would get either way is teacher,

[Anonymous No.16283046]

>>16283041
Being a teacher in a university would be way better than wagecucking. It's barely even work.

[Anonymous No.16283058]

>>16283041
If he went to St Johns, he would be teaching at very well off universities.

[Anonymous No.16283062]

>>16283022
>went to community college then a trade school
>still can't get a job now because of covid
This is the last time I listen to boomers

[Anonymous No.16283104]

>>16282826

Everything is based except the pure seminar format. Bitch I ain't paying $1k/month for me to tell you what I think. In moderation, fine, but discussion alone is not academic progress.

[Anonymous No.16283106]

>>16282862
>university professor
Possibly the least /lit/ job in existence

[Anonymous No.16283117]

>>16283058
>If he went to St Johns, he would be teaching at very well off universities.
the average salary for st johns graduates a decade after uni is just barely higher than the national median salary, which is still way lower than the average salary of actual uni graduates

>>16283046
a life in academia is monotonous hell and you would pay of the loans you took to go there at about age 55-60, if ever

[Anonymous No.16283134]

>>16282832
>He didn't get a full ride

[Anonymous No.16283163]

They only read books written or translated to English there.

[Anonymous No.16283171]

>>16282929
They learn Greek and French. There are student study groups for Latin, but it's not taught.

[Anonymous No.16283186]

>>16282885
They'll probably cuck out like all the rest

[Anonymous No.16283190]

>>16283171

They may learn Greek or French but they don't read any of the classics in those languages. Maybe some grad students do.

[Anonymous No.16283202]

>>16283190
I didn't say they did.

[Anonymous No.16283207]

Drove up there to walk around once. Very pretty campus, never seen so many (completely full) ashtrays

[Anonymous No.16283213]

>>16283202

The conversation has become a question of whether they read in original languages. I am merely going along with the conversation. Your inclusion of the languages they study seems to align with that conversation.

[Anonymous No.16283220]

>>16283207
Santa Fe or Annapolis?

[Anonymous No.16283223]

>>16283022
I have a pretty similar experience. Teacher pushed for me to consider it very hard, but I ended up just not applying for any colleges. I work a pretty decent culinary job now, but sometimes I wish I had just said fuck it and gone the full uni philosophy student path. The idea of reading the classics up in the hills of Santa Fe seems idyllic, but I suppose I may be constructing a post hoc romanticized idea of the place because of my regrets.

[Anonymous No.16283224]

>>16283213
Don't be autistic dude, I was addressing sperging over whether they studied Latin. Obviously they read translations outside of their language classes.

[Anonymous No.16283227]

>>16283220
Santa Fe. I live in New Mexico- forgot they have a Maryland campus to be

[Anonymous No.16283228]

>>16283224

Then let the conversation flow my friend.

[Anonymous No.16283485]

>>16283227
Honestly that seems like it's the second best part after the curriculum. I love the desert Southwest.

[Anonymous No.16283667]

>>16283485
Im biased but I think it's the most beautiful part of the country. If you ever get the chance, there are some really pleasant hiking trails just outside of the Saint John's campus that are both accessible and pretty laid back.

[Anonymous No.16284194]

>>16283013
>"Classics" at Oxford
Even Cambridge is much easier these days too, but either university has language prereqs at least. There seems to be none here. I'd say judging by the list, even with translation, they're not reading a lot of whole books well. It looks like they're reading Lucretius for physics for example. I think the books at the bottom might be the ones they read through and study like /lit/ students, whereas the ones up top probably get about as much discussion as a local bookckub. The American system is probably at a disadvantage too, overall, because they don't have shit like classics highschools where a lot of these would be covered much younger and not in translation.

[Anonymous No.16284295]

I live in New Mexico and i always forgot St Johns exist. I'm not in Santa Fe tho so maybe that is why

[Anonymous No.16284345]

>>16282888
>money is all that matters

[Anonymous No.16284377]

>>16282826
>pay 300k of tuition to read about bunch of refuted theories like Ptolemaic astronomy
OH NONONO HAHAHAH do Americans really?

[Anonymous No.16284382]

>>16283022
>>16283223
I went to community college and then a large public uni. Majored in English anyway. I saved money but do think I missed out on a pretty good opportunity to go to a more rigorous school.

[Anonymous No.16284387]

>>16284377
Prove to me the Earth isn't the centre of the universe. Prove it right now. You can't.

[Anonymous No.16284465]

>>16284387
>mostly harmless planet orbiting unregarded sun in unfashionable end of a galaxy in ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha is the centre of the universe
Your book is glitching.

[Anonymous No.16284482]

>>16282826
>a liberal arts curriculum focused on the most important books and ideas of Western civilization
I'll take a cheeseburger, fries, and a large soda.

[Anonymous No.16284794]

>>16282826
>imagine going to school and getting a degree in rhetoric
Why would you study Great Books only to study Grecian and Roman rhetoric? Pretty stupid.

[Anonymous No.16285877]

>>16284794
That's just the freshman reading list. You read other important works from the canon in the other three years.

[Anonymous No.16286601]

>>16284794
>>16285877
Yeah, that doesn't include math or science readings.

[Anonymous No.16286885]

>>16283013
this really should be a high school curriculum. are there any affordable k-12 schools with rigor in the US?

[Anonymous No.16286926]

>>16282832
Believe it or not, this course specifically is amazing for networking and looks really good if you're going for very specific non academic positions
Much like the greats in Oxbridge, it's an instance of a typically useless degree actually being very useful

[Anonymous No.16286945]

>>16286601
It does?

[Anonymous No.16287145]

>>16286945
Look at what I was responding to.

[Anonymous No.16287152]

>>16286885
I hear the Great Hearts Program does something like that, but I also hear very mixed things about it.

[Anonymous No.16287444]

>>16287152
wow, actually based. too bad they aren't in my state.

[Anonymous No.16288127]

Why only “Western” classics tho. What about India and China etc? Also Ancient Greece in any ways whatsoever doesn’t belong to Western Europe. Tired of these scums subtly trying to appropriate the Greek culture by claiming shit like Plato was the Greatest “Western” philosopher etc.

[Anonymous No.16288224]

>>16288127
The European classics form the main part of the curriculum, but Eastern classics are read in elective classes

[Anonymous No.16288299]

>>16283062
Better than listening to Bloomers

[Anonymous No.16288340]

>>16284482
>anime posting

Off yourself

[Anonymous No.16288480]

>Americans pay 200k to discuss books middle class Europeans discuss with their school friends aged 16
>gaining a surface level understanding of classical texts at a *university* is considered special

Ameribros, please come study in Europe if your IQ is above 120, America has nothing to offer you and you don't even know how bad it is

[Anonymous No.16288497]

>>16288127
Eastern Classics are taught in the Santa Fe graduate program.

[Anonymous No.16288517]

>>16283022
>>16283223
Theres a bit of a meme where because the average degree is worth less ifs not worth going. The proper response to that is to make sure youre in the % of college students for whom it was worth it.

[Anonymous No.16288775]

>>16288340
Leave newfag

[Anonymous No.16288946]

>>16288127
Lol @ this bait

[Anonymous No.16288997]

>>16288480
Fuck off faggot, I’d never go to your pisshit hell hole. Suck my dick because you’re too minds are coming here and NO I’ve talked to Yurocucks and they aren’t discussing philosophy at 16

[Anonymous No.16289022]

>>16288480
>to discuss books middle class Europeans discuss with their school friends aged 16

lol