/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16273629]

Anybody else feel anxious about how depressing everything is and how depressed everyone seems to be?

>"edgy" culture has gone from rock&roll (1950s) to suicide ideation culture (see: Lil Peep, Suicide Boys, etc)
>fertility rates plummeting
>opioid epidemic (in the US)
>anti-depressant use common and rising
>home ownership impossible for many
>insecure, low-paid jobs which barely sustain one person
>hostility between the sexes, races, and generations
>suicide rate the highest in two decades
>doxxing now a cultural norm
>incels becoming a cultural norm and rising demographic
>"mental health" crisis getting worse

Any books on this issue?

I've read The Burnout Society, some of Mark Fisher's stuff. Anything fiction or non-fiction would be appreciated.

[Anonymous No.16273652]

What about you, my dear friend? How are you doing?

[Anonymous No.16273673]

>>16273629
I'd recommend you read something like The Wisdom of Life by Schopenhaur, you don't have to agree with all he says -
But you must save yourself before your 'curiosity' gets the better of you and you end up in a painful thought-loop.

[Anonymous No.16273690]

>>16273652
Not well at all. How about you, friend?

[Anonymous No.16273700]

>>16273629
I was depressed like you, then I bought into the lie that we are living in the best posible times so I tried to do things differently and see the bright side of life. Now I’ve come full circle. The problem is definitely with society, NOT the individual.
FUCK anyone who tries to pull the “it’s your fault you’re depressed, not society’s” bullshit. Bunch of deceitful sophists

[Anonymous No.16273726]

>>16273700
Interesting, in The Burnout Society the author also argues that an excess of optimism (in society):

>"Depression is the sickness of a society that suffers from excessive positivity." p.11

[Anonymous No.16273843]

This isn't /r9k/. Just asking for books on a topic doesn't make it /lit/.

[Anonymous No.16273868]

>>16273700
Its the fault of both the individual and the society. Stop trying to pin all the fault on one side, it only shows a lack of maturity from your end

[Anonymous No.16273882]

>>16273629
>>16273700
I felt the same way up until I cut out most vicarious and harmful vices in my life. No porn, no fap, way less salt and sugar, no hot showers, way less vidya, no social media (Except this place and YouTube). While cutting these things out I picked up way more books and also started working out and meditating in the sun all summer. This turned out to be very fulfilling and it really changed me for the better physically, mentally, and even spiritually. I basically went from doomer to bloomer with some discipline, hard workouts, and time spent in nature. Now i’m calling old friends just to catch up which is something I never used to do, and they seem to be genuinely happy to hear from someone not depressed as it seems 9/10 people around me are. I’m not perfect by any means but my changed outlook has already impacted others for the better, for most people I know don’t have a role model and just wallow in vices all night. Any form of light right now can brighten up someone’s mindset and if you don’t have anyone with that glowing effect I advise you to consider becoming the flame yourself. This will reward you and those around you.

[Anonymous No.16273900]

>>16273700
>>16273726
Depressive "realism" is the greatest curse of our age. Everyone has their bouts of depression, but it's incredibly pathetic to see people decscend into delusions of grandeur - that they can see everything better than everyone else because they don't care, and hate and sadness are somehow regarded as less biasing emotioms than prevailing positivity. Mark Fisher was especially guilty of this, essentially complaining in Capitalist Realism that his coworker was an uninformed pleb because Fisher was jealous other's could be happy. Depression is the disease of people that don't have either the will-power or the intelligence to push through and understand that moping about will not change the world or themselves. I mean this in a positive way anon: get a grip you lazy cunt. You've seen that the world can be beautiful when you want to see it that way, now just work to realise that seeing the sadness isn't a virtue - it's a waste of your talent and time. Society may cause depression, but only you perpetuate it. Regardless of the truth of that statement, you'll remain a miserable bastard till the day you embrace it.
>>16273629
Read The Third Policeman. It's about a young writer that finds the world absurd and depressing, yet you the reader can do naught but laugh as he continues his cycle of misery. That is how life must be viewed, you've got to accept absurdity and enjoy the small things. Picrel is the small things that never fail to make me happy.

[Anonymous No.16273920]

>>16273882
Also work on getting better at something creative. Writing, music, or drawing. This is essential and rewarding and in the long run has the chance to influence people for the better. Unless you make suicide boys, Logic “I don’t wanna be alive WHO CAN RELATE” retard music

[Anonymous No.16273923]

>>16273882
>build healthy habits
>Spirit lights up

bro whaaaaaaaaaat??
ITS ALWAYS FUCKING HABITS. IF YOU'RE DEPRESSED JUST START WITH YOUR FUCKING HABITS YOU DUMB PIECE OF TRASH

I haven't seen 1 single human being who hasn't gotten better from depression from building better habits, and yet every single person discards this because it doesn't magically cure depression because they're ADHD zoomers that need instant problem solving even with depression

[Anonymous No.16273928]

>>16273700
you've yet to go further and become better than society.

[Anonymous No.16273986]

>>16273923
Most zoomers lack discipline and morals and suffer from a short attention span and have even fewer good role models. I’m 24 and this was no easy task for me to do on my own.

[Anonymous No.16273989]

>>16273629
>Anybody else feel anxious about how depressing everything is and how depressed everyone seems to be?
Personally I'm like, "welcome to my world."
In all seriousness, there's much to be grim about, that's for sure. And the observations you greentexted have been made drastically worse by the effects of the covid epidemic
(see: https://theintercept.com/2020/08/28/the-social-fabric-of-the-u-s-is-fraying-severely-if-not-unravelling/ for a decent overview)
Some 25% of people aged 18 to 24 have seriously considered suicide in the last 30 days. It's a stunning and catastrophic figure which speaks to the sickness of this culture.

There are many causes behind this unraveling of society, but perhaps the most destabilizing is a crisis of meaning. The political and economic crises and injustices aside, people aren't meant to sit in front of computer screens all day and have this alienating disjointed social media experience in place of genuine connection and community. I would recommend Alone Together by Sherry Turkle and Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam for prescient examinations of this plague of alienation and social atomization which has become increasingly entrenched.
Technology has accomplished great things, but it has harmful side-effects. It makes many people feel eclipsed, insignificant, de-centered and overwhelmed.

[Anonymous No.16274009]

>>16273629
The depressing part for me is being part of genuinely "edgy" groups but they all inevitably get infested by normies, women and brown retards.

[Anonymous No.16274041]

>>16273989
Modern technology can be the blame for almost all alienation feeling we find ourselves feeling. Reminder that for hundreds of thousands of years we believed in living with our extended families and lovingly embracing nature

[Anonymous No.16274044]

>>16273629

things are very similar to russian 90s. not so bad tho

[Anonymous No.16274061]

>>16273629
Orthodox Christianity is our last hope.

[Anonymous No.16274090]

>>16274041
I would go one step deeper. Modern technology is an extension and reiteration of the process of industrialization. It is industrial regimentation expanded to the mind, the commoditization of human nature. The immiseration of the masses has a long and sordid history and takes several forms. Modern technology is particularly bad because of how it eliminates spontaneity from human action. Everything is subjected to and mediated by an algorithm, and human nature has little room to breathe. The irony is that many of these techs market themselves as means to enable and enhance capabilities, and they certainly do, but only with respect to their own operating system, not within the natural ecological Umwelt

[Anonymous No.16274096]

>>16273900
>I mean this in a positive way anon: get a grip you lazy cunt. You've seen that the world can be beautiful when you want to see it that way, now just work to realise that seeing the sadness isn't a virtue - it's a waste of your talent and time. Society may cause depression, but only you perpetuate it.
Spot on brother

[Anonymous No.16274120]

>>16273989
Thanks for the post and links. How did you find Alone Together? I marathoned about half the book, but although it has some decent assertions and observations, I can't help but feel it is very dated (e.g., furbies, primitive robots).

[Anonymous No.16274131]

>>16273629
The stock market is at record highs! Whatever do you mean?

[Anonymous No.16274135]

>>16274090
Good post.

[Anonymous No.16274137]

>>16273629
I frontloaded my depressions and suicidal thoughts and stuff and am now a third enlightened, I've solved mental health for myself. Sort of switched with society, everyone got pushed to the deep end this year but I'm a total bloomer

[Anonymous No.16274144]

>>16274120
I agree that it's dated, but that's also what gives it some value. It provides some historical perspective. This has been a continuous process over decades, not something that just sprang on us yesterday. I recommended it because it's one of the most accessible and recognizable books about this problem of digital alienation that I know of.

[Anonymous No.16274186]

>>16273629
This helped me, might help you too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54l8_ewcOlY

[Anonymous No.16274214]

>>16273923
Why you so agro anon?

[Anonymous No.16274242]

>>16273629
So it's the individual's fault
>Muh drugs
So don't do drugs like what lmao?
>muh fertility rate
then have sex dude
>hostility between the sexes, races, generations
well it's poltards who keep spamming memes about "le boomers, le roasties and le niggurz" so maybe they should stop then?
>mental health crisis
Which is caused by people staying inside all day, choosing to eat like shit, choosing to stay on the internet all day instead of going outside...etc
>edgy music
then don't listen to it

[Anonymous No.16274265]

>>16274090
Deboard pilled

[Anonymous No.16274271]

>>16273629
Anon, you're looking at it all wrong. Never before have the masses been so profitable, predictable, and controllable. Why dont you start a business selling some useless chink bullshit? You've got all the opportunity in the world to financially exploit your "fellow" man and get the ultimate /comfy/ lifestyle while getting to laugh at the poors

[Anonymous No.16274336]

I've got a relatively un-developed theory that goes like this. The self-help gurus that dominate YouTube are all saying the same thing with different metaphors. Learning material arts or guitar or lifting teaches you the act of DIY which technology aims to reduce. Automation and design also flatten the knowledge required to learn anything. So if most people never learn to learn as their devices or interactions with the world is reduced to smaller and smaller state spaces they become useless. To be useless in a social species could trigger some group survival mechanism to off yourself in the long run. Anyway NEVER OUTSOURCE ANYTHING until you learn to learn.

[Anonymous No.16274346]

>>16273629
join the revolution.

[Anonymous No.16274353]

>>16274346
Cringe. You can only go forward. The only way for history to happen again is for technology to continue past a certain threshold that big stick rulers return

[Anonymous No.16274445]

>>16273629
>implying people in the 50s weren't depressed and used heroin and drank to deal with it

[Anonymous No.16274455]

>>16274346
>lets try to turn back the tide guys, trust me it will work

[Anonymous No.16274471]

Happiness is a state of mind. If you are depressed it's your own fault for willing it

[Anonymous No.16274479]

>>16274471
>Your mother gets killed in sudden car accident
>bro its your fault you're sad bro

[Anonymous No.16274487]

>>16274445
Heroin in the 50s? It was a big thing during the Vietnam war, but even then there were more heroin addicts in the US military in Vietnam than there were in the US at the time. After they returned home however, things did fall apart in that regard.

[Anonymous No.16274498]

>>16274445
/pol/tards only idolize 50's advertisements that never represented reality

[Anonymous No.16274499]

>>16274487
Jazz musicians were famous for using heroin back then

[Anonymous No.16274507]

I want to go back bros

[Anonymous No.16274520]

>>16273629
The main thing for me is that we are rapidly approaching a mass extinction event from climate change and basically no one in power cares. Literally most of the planet is going to get wiped out in a few decades and everyone is just plugging their ears and coping so fucking hard by trying to deny it. Really gets under my skin

[Anonymous No.16274538]

>>16273629
Nope, I'm currently hoping the new eviction protections end up flimsy as fuck so that I can get a cheap apartment.

[Anonymous No.16274560]

>>16274507
grills and coca cola still exist, you could literally live like that right now

[Anonymous No.16274568]

>>16274560
Its not the same

[Anonymous No.16274569]

>>16274560
actually girls do not exist, in 2014 they were replaced in situ with an alien life form hostile to all remaining humans

[Anonymous No.16274573]

>>16274560
Not if that guy has no family or can't talk to women

[Anonymous No.16274588]

>>16273843
>Impkying that r9k is a feels board
Its tranny central
Its been like that for past 3-4 years
Most robots dumped it because of the rapamant faggotry

[Anonymous No.16274593]

>>16274520
That's not really true though, is it.

[Anonymous No.16274604]

>>16273629
Move to eastern Europe. Its basically the 50s there still

[Anonymous No.16274613]

>>16274593
More of a question of when really

[Anonymous No.16274618]

>>16274613
You didn't eat the propaganda, you deepthroated it

[Anonymous No.16274619]

>>16274604

Maybe further east its better but here in poland is kinda okayish at best

[Anonymous No.16275095]

>>16274520
That would be preferable to what we're actually going to get which is capitalism chugging along for a few more centuries until dysgenics render population is too dumb to sustain it. Climate change is a complete meme by the way.

[Anonymous No.16275109]

>>16273629
you see what you choose to see
im surrounded by positive happy people
and i see a lot of positivity

[Anonymous No.16275153]

>>16274618
>>16275095
>climate change is a meme
It's not going to kill everybody, but I sure hope you like refugees, and say goodbye to balmy spring/cool autumn. In 50-100 years 1st world countries will be swarming with climate refugees. Summer and winter will become more severe, record high or low temperatures will continue to be set most years until autumn is a couple weeks and spring is a fond memory. You guys are genuine retards to not see this happening. What do you get from denial? Do you like the taste of oil lobbyist dick that much?

[Anonymous No.16275181]

It seems today that all you see is violence in movies and sex on TV.

[Anonymous No.16275218]

>>16275153
Tell me what effects you think climate change is going to cause and I'll tell you why you're wrong.

[Anonymous No.16275286]

>>16275218
did you read his post?

[Anonymous No.16275294]

>>16275218
The earth's climate is changing as a result of human activity. This climate change will result in:
-extreme temperatures, as already evidenced by science and record high/low tempratures being broken at an unusual rate around the globe.
-geopolitical instability as a result of extreme temperatures.
-mass ecological devastation, already happening to australias coral reefs and inland wildlife. Already happening to ocean life.

It's not some crazy instant nuke or anything but it will make life worse. what really smarts is that it's mostly preventable or at least can be softened if humans put a stop their ridiculous excess, but inertia is more powerful than even the most dedicated smelly hippy coalition. I don't even think it's going to effect me but I fear for my kids and my grandkids, they won't experience the same nature and the same world I'm lucky enough to have.

[Anonymous No.16275311]

>>16273629
Is it finally ending, bros? Is that how it ends after winning about 50 years ago?

[Anonymous No.16275353]

>>16273629
Read Rene Girard, starting with Violence and the Sacred, then Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World (then all his other books). I will warm you his works are for high IQ people only, but it explains the modern world in way that no one else I've read has and I think Girard got it right. The depressing aspects of modern life are actually due to humanity advancing beyond primitive cultures based on ritual sacrifice. We relied on this sacrificial mechanism for social order for thousands of years so as we move beyond it we feel like we're losing something very essential. Ultimately it was all based on lies and leaving it behind is actually great, but almost no one is consciously aware of this and so many people are susceptible to melancholy feeling about the state of affairs our societies are in.

[Anonymous No.16275364]

>>16273700
>>16273868
Upbringing and enivronment causes depression in the initial phase, but once you become conscious you have the power to change yourself, you then become responsible for fixing your depression.

[Anonymous No.16275426]

The first chapter of the denial of death really taught me a lot about human nature and it made me realize how social media was so effective. You absolutely read at least one chapter.

[Anonymous No.16275465]

>>16273629
>hostility between the sexes, races
How is that a new thing? Slavery? Fascism? Literally the whole women history in society? The internment of Japanese Americans in the United States?

[Anonymous No.16275522]

>>16275311
US has been in decline for a while, but collapse will not look as it does in movies. For most Americans, it means a further decline in standard of living - possibly shortages of some goods, longer wait times for certain services, more blatant corruption from government officials. Thing is, Americans have been living with these things for decades now, it has just become normal. Guess what, it will continue to 'feel' normal, because collapse is slow.

Globally, American decline means being unable to shift their weight around militarily or economically. It means China taking territory and the US being powerless to stop them. It means China establishing trade norms in their favour and increasingly to the disadvantage to America. Wait... sound familiar? Uh...

[Anonymous No.16275535]

>>16274569
HAHAHAHAHahah this

[Anonymous No.16275575]

>>16275364
>>16273868
>>16273700

I think you all have a point. The current ordering of the world is one that creates and exacerbates sadness. The reasons for this are many and I won't attempt to summarize what plenty of people have put so much work into elucidating, but considering the thread we're in I don't think you'll find "modern society breeds sadness" too much of a stretch. So yeah the world is shit and is falling apart and everyone is alienated and all that. Of course everyone is sad. That initial sadness, the seed of it, is not the fault of the individual. What they are "responsible" for is how they interact with that sadness other than the obvious of inaction.

As I see it I have two choices other than necking. I can lean into the shit world, hoping that it consumes and obliterates me, simply become part of it. Chomp some SSRIs and watch Love Island, numb the sadness to the point that I can enjoy the things that essentially cause it (gamification and commodification of intimacy, spectacle culture, The Conceit), become part of the spectacle. The harder alternative is to find joy in fighting against the current of raw sewage washing over me and everyone around me. Adapt and create space in myself and my world that can be kept dry from it and find some purpose and pleasure in the process of building that space for myself.

For me, battling the alienation has manifested lately in a weird amount of volunteer type work. I think working alongside people who are also deeply dissatisfied with the world, but are determined to try and make changing it – in their small, relatively insignificant way –a part of their lives, has helped me stay a little more sane. Also the people I end up meeting are all really nice.

Thats my long-winded diary entry of a take on Living in A Society.

[Anonymous No.16275608]

>>16273629
Bowling Alone by Putnam is good.

[Anonymous No.16275934]

>>16275575
What do you mean by gamification and commodification of intimacy? Tinder?

[Anonymous No.16276140]

>>16273989
>Personally I'm like, "welcome to my world."

[Anonymous No.16276241]

>>16275934
that but specifically the love based game show is my target with that. Making a spectacle and elimination style game dedicated to making "The Right Choice" amongst a field of sycophants of which to love. I think shit like that feeds into the game of hoe chicken everyone is constantly playing where we all just keep hoeing, believing that the perfect person is just around the corner instead of just Making It Work with someone you already have a connection with.

[Anonymous No.16276247]

>>16273629
Life for most people is and always has been mostly boring and sad. You're probably in your mid to late 20s and it hasn't sunken in quite yet, but it will. You'll get used to it eventually.

[Anonymous No.16276246]

>>16273629
Issue?
Oy vey

[Anonymous No.16276539]

>>16274479
That's grief. It can be prolonged and contribute to depression if not handled but doesn't directly cause it.

[Anonymous No.16276542]

>>16273629
the expansion of personal misery is actually a massive socialization of the malignancy of financial capitalism. the same way taxpayers have to bail out bankers when they fuck up all of society has to bail out a failed economic order by being personally miserable

[Anonymous No.16276544]

>>16276241
what you have to understand about the game show is that nobody who watches it wants to actually participate in any way. it's deliberately humiliating and degrading because there's a perverse fun to be had in watching someone make an voluntarily make a fool out of themselves in public. same deal with most reality tv, which is just a gussied-up version of the old carnival freakshow except instead of paying a nickel to gawp at snake girl you pay spectrum to beam my 600 pound life to your living room

[Anonymous No.16276554]

>>16276544
I have never seen Love Island but I had briefly forgotten the Bachelor and Bachelorette shows. Those are the formats I am referring to.

[Anonymous No.16276564]

>>16273629

[Anonymous No.16276581]

>>16276564
Gay comic but yeah basically.

[Anonymous No.16276587]

>>16276564
Why are leftie comics so dull?

[Anonymous No.16276613]

>>16273629
>Whether it is a physical condition that one suffers from or a psychological condition, there is the tendency to identify oneself with it.

[Anonymous No.16276622]

>>16273629
Go for a long walk anon

[Anonymous No.16276734]

>>16273629
>incels becoming a cultural norm and rising demographic
And I almost fucking took you seriously. Cry more you little fucking bitch, that's all you'll ever do.

[Anonymous No.16276755]

>>16276734
You don't have to be an incel to recognise them as an emerging trend that is likely here to stay.

[Anonymous No.16276789]

>>16276755
The fact that you utter that word like a well trained slave, with any seriousness at all, is itself a sign that you're not as enlightened as you think you are. When I think of what's it wrong with the world, I don't think of some harmless losers just trying to get by in the world. They have no power at all in society other then being the boogey men of weak people that they could degrade to feel good about themselves. It's a non problem. Everyone feels alone at some point, everyone.

[Anonymous No.16276835]

>>16276789
Very hyperbolic response because you know you made a knee jerk comment but are now comitted to it lol. No one but MSNBC libs are "scared" of incels, and the trouble with them isn't that they pose a threat to anyone but themselves for the most part, the trouble is that this kind of mass commiseration-as-lifestyle exists at all is a symptom of the much wider alienation problem within society. If you don't want to address it or think about it because it isn't as pressing as an incoming asteroid that fine, you should just really try and consider the material context that gives rise to various social phenomenon, even the ones you dislike.

[Anonymous No.16276865]

>>16276587
Isn't that comic making fun of the "no it's capitalism" lefties?

[Anonymous No.16276926]

>>16275353
Are you talking about how in modern times there is no way for mimetic conflicts to achieve a resolution? We have moved past the need for ritual sacrifice as you mentioned, by replacing it with judiciaries and complex forms of Governments so do you mean modern humans yearn for their past ?

[Anonymous No.16276951]

>>16273629

[Anonymous No.16277070]

>>16274041
>>16276951
>le evil toaster meme
why dont these people believe in responsibility of the society??
Just because it´s abstract doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

[Anonymous No.16277141]

>>16276734
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-health-sex/young-u-s-men-having-a-lot-less-sex-in-the-21st-century-study-shows-idUSKBN23J2LI

[Anonymous No.16277164]

>>16277141
>Given a preference for men of higher socioeconomic status and the larger number of college-educated women than men, some young men may find it difficult to form heterosexual relationships, the researchers note.

Based Roasties. All you broke ass niggas deserve it

[Anonymous No.16277178]

>>16277141
You do get that that means less STD transmission and less teen pregnancy rates, which were a huge problem in the past.

[Anonymous No.16277188]

>>16277178
Thats a really weak silver lining

[Anonymous No.16277190]

>>16277178
lol

>Sexual activity was largely unchanged among unmarried women, along with no notable decline among gay men, researchers reported.

[Anonymous No.16277215]

>>16277178
>teen pregnancy rates
Isn't the US full of young single mothers?

[Anonymous No.16277497]

bump

[Anonymous No.16277669]

>>16277215
Chad sows his oats freely.

[Anonymous No.16277765]

>>16274137
Good for you, anon. Me too :)

[Anonymous No.16277768]

>>16276835
>the trouble with them isn't that they pose a threat to anyone but themselves
>literally more and more school shootings everyday by self-claimed incels
They're terrorists-like

[Anonymous No.16277785]

>>16273629
Nope, I just deadlift real heavy instead.

[Anonymous No.16277794]

THANK YOU GOD, FOR NOT LETTING ME BE BORN IN THE THIRD WORLD, IN WHICH AMERICA IS INCLUDED

[Anonymous No.16277796]

>>16275575
i feel the same way anon. wish you well

[Anonymous No.16277805]

>>16277141
>uneducated piece of shit treats women like garbage while being a mama's boy immature manchild puer aeternus with no personality nor respect for other human beings acting like a forever disgusting 13yo with no long term meaning for their own life except rating themselves and others based on a 0 to 10 scale, no charisma, no past experiences, no hobbies, smelling bad, spending the entire day online hating on others, and also a neet
>why am i virgin?

[Anonymous No.16277838]

>>16277805
Instead of insulting such people perhaps you should be asking why something like this has become widespread in the first place. Sympathetic consideration and investigation seems to be the normative response to other negative social phenomena, but when it comes to male sexual inferiority the preferred response seems to be mockery and other shaming tactics. I wonder why that is.

[Anonymous No.16277865]

>>16277838
because part of me can't and won't ever believe I could be you. Also because incels are so incredibly difficult to empathize with. They act like the whiniest cunts on Earth over their inability to do one of the easiest things in the world. Usually this inability is born itself from an inability to empathize with others and have organic interactions with people, which makes them deeply unlikable.

[Anonymous No.16277875]

>>16277865
This is how I feel about niggers, but replace having sex with "behaving like a civilized human."

[Anonymous No.16277888]

>>16277875
See what I'm talking about?

[Anonymous No.16277889]

>>16273629
call me when you're mature enough to understand (((who))) is behind all this

[Anonymous No.16277903]

>>16277865
You can apply this same logic to any other social ill. Just blame the problem on the person themselves. Fuck them, it's their fault and I don't like them.
>>16277888
No, because I'm still capable of applying reason to the situation. Even if "incels" are indeed at fault for every ill they experience, why are they in such a state? What causes so many men to turn out this way? Your approach is anti-intellectual.

[Anonymous No.16277904]

>>16277838
Maybe it would be easier if they weren't praising murderers on a daily basis and being murderers themselves

[Anonymous No.16277927]

>>16277904
A tiny minority of them, you mean? You're only confirming my point (>>16277903) that you are not using reason. The thing you just posted would be recognized as nonsense regarding any other social problem, but with this, everything is permitted it seems.

[Anonymous No.16277934]

>>16277889
This

[Anonymous No.16277943]

>>16277904
Btw don't get me wrong, I don't think shaming them is the sollution but it's really hard to ask for other people to treat them kindly when they're responsable for the last few mass shootings causing the deaths of students. Yes, the problem is society and how society creates men and what's to be manly. Also it's really hard to sympatize with someone that is literally talking all day about killing and inferiorizing 50% of the population (women)
And it's not a minor part of them, just go incel.com

[Anonymous No.16277949]

>>16277904
>>16277943
I assume you apply this logic to Muslims and blacks as well.

[Anonymous No.16277960]

>>16277943
>The problem is... uh, something, I'll throw them a bone that something causes it. But fuck them they're ultimately bad people.
You are apparently too enslaved to your feelings to allow your brain to fully function.

[Anonymous No.16277980]

>>16277903
>but when it comes to male sexual inferiority the preferred response seems to be mockery and other shaming tactics.
I was answering this.

[Anonymous No.16278038]

ok guys, i don't care about all of this, but quick insane theory: do you think that having sex acts like a modern rite of passage for adult life for humans as societal approval and that's why incels think in an immature way? can psychology explain this?
source: my ass (observation)

[Anonymous No.16278052]

>>16278038
no. there are plenty of retarded manchildren who have sex, my cousin being one of them.

[Anonymous No.16278061]

>>16273700
>The problem is the traffic, not the cars

[Anonymous No.16278067]

>>16278052
what's the modern rite of passage then? paying your own bills and living alone?

[Anonymous No.16278089]

>>16278067
>what's the modern rite of passage then?
quitting 4chan

[Anonymous No.16278096]

>>16278038
No i have plenty of sex and behave like a tantrumthrowing toddler. Rite of passage is taking responsibility for your own dignity.

[Anonymous No.16278143]

>>16276622
In no way could someone do what Patrick did today.

[Anonymous No.16278209]

>>16273700
And yet society is collection of individuals, really made me think

[Anonymous No.16278245]

>>16273629
>edgy" culture has gone from rock&roll (1950s) to suicide ideation culture (see: Lil Peep, Suicide Boys, etc)
Honestly this is what pisses me off the most.
Everywhere I fucking turn depressed and bitter faggots out to quench my fun cause they can't have any.
Suck a dick, all of you.

[Anonymous No.16278249]

Absolutely lmaoing at the retards itt that think incels are a danger to anyone but themselves

>>16277949
kek I came into the conversation late and I thought he was talking about darkies because "praising murderers on a daily basis" sure as shit doesn't describe the vast majority of white people, incel or otherwise

[Anonymous No.16278257]

>>16278249
smells like samefag

[Anonymous No.16278273]

>>16278245
>Suck a dick, all of you.
Open your pants.

[Anonymous No.16278308]

>>16278257
smells like you need to take your meds

[Anonymous No.16278311]

>>16277070
What are you trying to say? Who are you talking to?

[Anonymous No.16278317]

>>16277768
I liked his book.

[Anonymous No.16278351]

>>16278209
It’s also composed of abstract entities like the government, the military, the board of education, the media, think tanks, banks, corporations and ngos, which are the ones causing the problems

[Anonymous No.16278959]

>>16273700
Based and redpilled. Anyone who thinks it's solely the individual's responsibility is a cuck with their head in the sand.

[Anonymous No.16279947]

>>16277768
>self-claimed incels
Those are incels who have been groomed by the CIA to be accelerationists and commit violent crime. It's all too easy to manipulate angry, bitter youth. Creating further divisions in society is exactly what The Man wants. Look past the propaganda.

[Anonymous No.16279989]

>>16278959
Anyone who thinks the depression born from our shit world is inescapable is impotent.

[Anonymous No.16280072]

>>16273629
Even more than all the things listed, climate change is the no.1 reality causing despair for me.
It's hard to care about college or writing or anything with the knowledge of the hellscape that awaits us.

[Anonymous No.16280109]

>>16273726
he has a follow up called transparency society that’s also great.

[Anonymous No.16280118]

>>16280109
I can see that. America is so oppressively centered around maintaining positivity, optimizing, that it ironically creates the opposite.

[Anonymous No.16280125]

>>16273629
The current whip which flays at the human soul is a cat o' nine tails composed of varying braided coils. There is technology, economic stagnation, the death of culture and with it a greater meaning/religion falling out of favor, and the acceptance of post modernism. None of these are solely responsible, but flow into each other and find common root in the same soil, like a hydra of old.
Technology pacifies to prevent change and exacerbates the issues prevalent from socioeconomic decline, which are in turn caused by market devaluation from mass immigration, in turn flowing forward into the effects of culture and identity itself being commodified because people are increasingly able to only buy baubles and necessities, all of which is in turn connected to the acceptance of relativism throughout the west.
As far as causes, sources, and solutions go, the current way in which we find the modern world would require several posts, likely complete diagrams and reference images.
In the end, the best thing you can do is to slip the weight of everything from your shoulders and reduce it down to your specific sphere of influence. How can you help develop yourself? How can you secure your future?
These are the kind of things which must be asked and actuated upon. Everything else is preparation and waiting for when the tiger tires enough to be strangled.

Also as for books, Fahrenheit 451 comes to mind immediately, that and anything by Kafka.

[Anonymous No.16280329]

>>16280072
Is it really going to be a hellscape though? I don't care if I have a lower standard of living. If anything it could have some positive effects, like if products we previously imported need to be produced locally then we could see a revival of community.

[Anonymous No.16280508]

>>16280072
Any evidence climate change is even a thing though? Okay so things are getting a little warmer, water levels are rising. It doesn't really matter, does it?

[Anonymous No.16280512]

>>16280109
Thanks mate.

[Anonymous No.16280560]

>>16273843
Read the board description you daft cunt. If anything pisses me off it's little autists like you who come up with their own shitty little definitions of things which are completely at odds with what those things actually are.

[Anonymous No.16280780]

>>16280072
>muh hellscape
Someone drank the koolaid.
It isn't gonna be peaches but isn't gonna be Mad Max either you histrionic little bitch

[Anonymous No.16280930]

>>16275426
whats so good about that chapter?

[Anonymous No.16280943]

capitalism

[Anonymous No.16280964]

>>16273629
>"edgy" culture has gone from rock&roll (1950s) to suicide ideation culture (see: Lil Peep, Suicide Boys, etc)
You're not forced to listen to that shit
>fertility rates plummeting
You think this is good or bad?
>opioid epidemic (in the US)
Don't take addictive drugs.
>anti-depressant use common and rising
Most likely misdiagnosed angsty/edgy teens. Real clinical depression is rare.
>home ownership impossible for many
Should have gone to school, or alternatively stop spending your money on consumerist shit you don't need and have some self control, learn to budget. Home ownership is not always a good option anyway even if you have the money to buy.
>insecure, low-paid jobs which barely sustain one person
See above.
>hostility between the sexes, races, and generations
Just don't be hostile.
>suicide rate the highest in two decades
Natural selection
>doxxing now a cultural norm
Protect your information, or just stop using social media
>incels becoming a cultural norm and rising demographic
Incels are almost exclusively on the young end, when females reach 30-40 and realise they have no one and have hit the wall they settle for any almost anyone
>"mental health" crisis getting worse
Modern mental health issues caused by use of social media, so just stop using it.

[Anonymous No.16281000]

Hijacking this thread to ask,

What is the most optimistic / encouraging / positive online community? Having a hard time thinking of any.

[Anonymous No.16281015]

>>16273882
Do you drink coffee?

[Anonymous No.16281040]

>>16280780
Maybe 'hellscape' was a bit hyperbolic, but millions of climate refugees, crop failures, large areas in the middle east and asia becoming uninhabitable, and more frequent and intense natural disasters isn't a world I look forward to. To be clear what I've just listed is a very real outcome we could see in our lifetimes according to the best available climate science.
It's not Mad Max but certainly not a hopeful picture.

[Anonymous No.16281046]

>>16281000
Definitely not here.....

[Anonymous No.16281056]

>>16281000
facebook, reddit

[Anonymous No.16281066]

>>16281000
Your family

[Anonymous No.16281072]

>>16281040
You know what you sound like? You sound like an entitled little pussy.
For the entirety of our history as a species we've been surviving catastrophes like those, and all that without all the benefits and comforts of modern technology and science.
Get a grip, and some perspective.

[Anonymous No.16281292]

>>16281072
You sound like the entitled one. Climate change will disproportionately affect the poorest people. Will humans survive and adapt? Absolutely, but it will still be a catastrophe one in which we will see the world as we know it disappear. Islands are already going under water and soon they will disappear, numerous species will be gone forever, and many of the most water-striken regions will face severe water crises do to a combination of poor management and the new unpredictable weather patterns.
But I'm sure you don't really care anyway you've already written me off as being lost in the apocalyptic kool aid because these realities scare you so deeply that all you can do is vainly deny them. Your words means nothing and they will be swallowed soon like your house under the ever expanding ocean.

[Anonymous No.16281322]

>>16273629
The state of civilization has become incompatible with human nature

[Anonymous No.16281374]

>>16281292
based post. The anon you're arguing with has clearly never studied climate science or water management. It IS going to apocalyptic

[Anonymous No.16281382]

>>16281292
i´m alright, i live in south america

[Anonymous No.16281385]

>>16281000
Very niche things like poison dart frog breeding and luthiers

[Anonymous No.16281409]

>>16281292
I have always believed in global warming, but unlike most, I see it as a positive. The current situation is untenable; it must collapse. Global warming promises to do that, and while God alone knows if I'll make it, I am sure humanity will be better off in the long run.

[Anonymous No.16281456]

>>16281409
what if the European Union let 50million+ of niggers enter their continent because of "humanitarian reasons"? i don´t think they will let niggers die because of global warming

[Anonymous No.16281468]

>>16281456
>he thinks the mass migration events of the late 21st century will be limited to the tens of millions

[Anonymous No.16281477]

>>16281468
that´s why i put the "+" symbol, can you read?

[Anonymous No.16281492]

>>16281477
no i'm using a text to speech app

[Anonymous No.16281495]

>>16281492

[Anonymous No.16281514]

>>16273900
Wrong. You can't will yourself out of severe depression because it literally makes your brain unable of willing anything.

[Anonymous No.16281526]

>>16281456
So be it. I don't know will survive, but the stats quo cannot.

[Anonymous No.16281531]

>>16281514
Man up lad, stop reducing your problems to biological determinism as an excuse for you to do nothing. If it worked for me it'll work for you.

[Anonymous No.16281532]

>>16276613
He looks like an amish preacher.

[Anonymous No.16281540]

>>16281531
So wrong. You probably weren't even depressed, just tumblr sad.

[Anonymous No.16281557]

>>16281382

Based sudaca.

[Anonymous No.16281565]

>>16281526
european people will disappear and our descendants will be back again in the pre-bronze age era, people with retcon history saying that beethoven was black and the continent will be fucking shithole

[Anonymous No.16281570]

>>16281514

This

[Anonymous No.16281571]

>>16281540
No need to be jealous that others are resilient and you aren't, you can build up resilience and willpower with excercise and self-affirmation.

[Anonymous No.16281580]

>>16281571
>maybe you just jealous lmao!
Ok bro. Glad nofap made you feel less of a loser.

[Anonymous No.16281594]

>>16281565
>european people will disappear
Your people chose this fate. Why should I care?
>our descendants will be back again in the pre-bronze age era,
Yes. That is the goal.
>people with retcon history saying that beethoven was black and the continent will be fucking shithole
If global warming does what it could do, the peoples of the world will have bigger problems than identity politics.

[Anonymous No.16281611]

>>16277838
This masculine pathology is certainly no mystery if people weren't so apathetic as to give it a proper investigation. It isn't something simplistic and one and done and offered in bad faith like "violent videogames." If I had to break it all down in no order of precedence I would attribute the following causes:

- A general modern cultural trend where parents and other authority figures are distracted, flippant, and uncommitted to the lives of the young and their future well-being and development as characters. A corresponding and equal and opposite distraction and disregard among the young.

-An unintentional byproduct of feminism which has benefitted girls but neglected boys. Boys are left to stew and come to terms with their own issues alone, and more often than not they are not up to the task and become wayward.

- Social media and its capacity to make people overly aware of social and interpersonal differences, making low status men feel all the more resentful and bitter. Combined with the ability for these resentful, bitter men to congregate online and share their broken thoughts and maladapted attitudes.

-An inability for everyone who wants to fuck to fuck. Let's face it, there is this one grain of truth to incel mentality. This sort of sexual economics. Worse than not fuck, some people are so undesirable that they can't find anyone. This causes them to feel intense suffering, as they feel they are denied access to a vital part of human experience which they desperately want.

(Towards this last point, in many mammalian species the males become violent and aggressive when denied sexual or resources, or opportunities to enhance their status. Humans are no different, and so there is this sociobiological aspect to at the root of it.)

[Anonymous No.16281621]

>>16275153
yikes, liberals need their own doomsday so they shill climate change.

[Anonymous No.16281629]

>>16273629
All of Adam Curtis.

[Anonymous No.16281635]

>>16273900
>Depression is the disease of people that don't have either the will-power or the intelligence to push through and understand that moping about will not change the world or themselves.
Not to keen on history there? Seems to me that change came from the dissatisfied.

[Anonymous No.16281642]

>>16273928
It isn't too hard.

[Anonymous No.16281645]

>>16273900
>mean this in a positive way anon: get a grip you lazy cunt. You've seen that the world can be beautiful when you want to see it that way, now just work to realise that seeing the sadness isn't a virtue - it's a waste of your talent and time. Society may cause depression, but only you perpetuate it. Regardless of the truth of that statement, you'll remain a miserable bastard till the day you embrace it.
Seeing the sadness isn't a virtue but neither is the opposite. Personally, I've never bought the idea of depressive realism completely. I think different personalities intuit and understand certain aspects of the world better than others but because of their biases miss other realities. So an extremely anxious person might make errors regarding what other people think (e.g: believing everybody's watching them) but they might also be better at picking up minute indications of threat, which might make them more aware or advantageous in certain settings (e.g: maybe being attuned to distant threats).

[Anonymous No.16281663]

>>16273629
I'm not. I'm living in the US in the best time in history. I can do whatever I want. But also I'm a minority, so if I was born 1k years ago I would probably either be a peasant or a slave or some shit. Now I can be an astronaut or a millionaire or a bodybuilder or anything that I want to be, and I can live pretty much anywhere that I want to be and I can associate with whoever I want to associate with. Feels good.

[Anonymous No.16281675]

>>16277768
>Thinking rich kid with movie director father was actually shooting up streets because he couldn't get women.
Nice "shooting". Nothing strange at all going on there.

[Anonymous No.16281677]

>>16273629
Do you ever feel like a plastic bag
Drifting through the wind, wanting to start again?
Do you ever feel, feel so paper thin
Like a house of cards, one blow from cavin' in?

[Anonymous No.16281680]

>>16273726
Positivity is not an affect of mood dumbass, its more shit, as in working more, thinking more, believing more, etc. Negativity is the absence of this, literally just staring at a wall and doing nothing
Byung chul han says that this negativity, ie absence is underrated and a necesarry part of growth, activity, and life. And the idea that the answer to everything is always to do or be more is whats breaking people down because its not how shit works.

[Anonymous No.16281700]

>>16281663
>Now I can be an astronaut or a millionaire or a bodybuilder or anything that I want to be
I can tell you are young and poorly versed in the not-so-distant past, since if you were older you would see the complete cultural disintegration within the fields you want to go into. You would then see the nasty nepotism, where the talented are kept down and pushed out in order for the children of the elite to take the top spots. That is when you realize "equal opportunity" is a complete myth, and the land of the free isn't so free.

[Anonymous No.16281735]

>>16281700
i think this guy >>16281663 thinks he´s hot shit because he believes living in the US places advantages to him compared to his country of origin he deeply has shame of it, like this brown thinks he´s going to be part of the elite, thinking he could be white like them even tho he´s just another brown puppet of the establishment, pure bioleninism

[Anonymous No.16281739]

>>16277785
God I wish I could lift rn

[Anonymous No.16281746]

>>16281735
>Bioleninism
What a fag, Im at least a Trioleninist.

[Anonymous No.16281748]

>>16273629
I'm Catholic and I don't relate to any of the doomers and depressed people here.

[Anonymous No.16281753]

>>16273700
How come im doing so good then

[Anonymous No.16281767]

>>16281748
(Not Christian, different religion)
I do feel the truth of the matter is that humans have a intrinsic need for religion. You can see what the impact of mass atheism has been; it's not pretty. I've said this on /lit/ before, but I expect there to be a surge in religious spiritual beliefs in the next couple of decades, in the West and beyond.

[Anonymous No.16281772]

>>16281746
shut up shitskin, you´re just obeying what your masters the anglos set up you to do, how embarrassing

https://bioleninism.wordpress.com/2017/11/14/biological-leninism/

[Anonymous No.16281775]

I was in a bad cycle of drinking and getting arrested for fighting from when I was 19 to 24. I kept fighting at everything I felt was an injustice and all I ended up getting out of it was a lengthy criminal record. I would get so worked up and angry over the way the world and my life was going. I put the weight of all these events in other countries or people and completely out of control my control onto my shoulders

There is no real book that will help you per se. You've got to have the determination and the spark to want to remove the harmful stimuli.

Cutting out social media and the news made my life seem so much more worth living. I really think that twitter/facebook/instagram is unbelievably toxic to us.
Push yourself to find something that gives you meaning and is practical.

[Anonymous No.16281818]

>>16274186
I'm not OP but this is incredible, thank you.

[Anonymous No.16281821]

>>16281700
How old are you? I'm 23. Those things are definitely possible as long as you're not a weakfag. I can tell you how to become them right now. Millionaire: find a problem and solve it for money. Bodybuilder: lift heavy weights, eat big, and maybe take roids depending on goals. Astronaut: I'm not interested so I have less info, but my first step would be to Google "how to become an astronaut" which is something I wouldn't be able to do if I was born in rural Africa or in 17th century London or some shit, and then I'd apply to PhD programs in fields that astronauts want (I have my engineering degree so that's already a plus).
>>16281735
What are you talking about faggot. If I was born in the poor parts of 3rd world Mexico, like my parents, then I'd have different goals. As it is I don't have to worry about getting kidnapped by the cartel, etc

[Anonymous No.16281844]

>>16280964
You've got it all figured out don't you. If only everyone was as smart as you.

[Anonymous No.16281873]

All civilisations create themselves in a delerium of optimism and religous frenzy before burning themselves out in a slow decline of nihilism and apathy.
Human beings have a deeply religious need that reality cannot fulfill - the goal of just about every progress orientated culture is always the hegemony of love and justice in a morally ordered universe. Go back a few thousand years and witness the birth of Christianity: at bottom, a wholesale rejection of the natural world in favour of human destiny and perfection: psychologically projected as God. Ironically, the belief was that science would help us uncover the nature of God and allow us to realise His plan. Then Copernicus came along and told us that we were not the centre of the universe. That was the beginning of the end.
Every truth about reality we uncover is against us. We long for eternity and get eighty years. We want the universe to care about us and we get only indifference. Most of all we want somewhere to go and something to do - some goal that will transcend our miserable lives trapped in a physical reality. There is none.
So now we have today's situation - modern Christians reject logic in favour of the emotional fulfilment only a deity can provide. Modern atheists reject God in favour of a cold, sterile naturalism. Both of them are two sides of the same sad coin.
The reason that people are so depressed is because the scientific vision of reality has won - we are gene-copying bio-robots living in cold and empty nothingness, made to do nothing and go nowhere.
This is why nobody gives a damn about anything anymore - the latest discoveries regarding dark-matter or loop-quantum gravity barely ping the consciousness of the public while stories about faeries or star-signs permeate the news. Men bury themselves in videogames, women in reality television. We rely on fictions that even a five year old could see through just to get through the day - and if a childish fiction is more palatable than the reality, then we live in a pretty awful reality, no matter how hard we try to deny it.
Stop having kids, encourage people to do the same, and hopefully one day we will put an end to this sick joke and withdraw in contempt for our worldly terms.

[Anonymous No.16281901]

>>16281873
>The reason that people are so depressed is because the scientific vision of reality has won - we are gene-copying bio-robots living in cold and empty nothingness, made to do nothing and go nowhere.
Make your own goals.
>Stop having kids, encourage people to do the same, and hopefully one day we will put an end to this sick joke and withdraw in contempt for our worldly terms
No way. I plan on having many kids.

[Anonymous No.16281928]

>>16281873
you do realize many people are sincerely religious, right? I'll never understand people who complain about how nobody believes in religion anymore. You can sincerely believe in whatever faith speaks to you.

[Anonymous No.16281934]

>>16281901
>No way. I plan on having many kids.
Based and correct. Best wishes for you and your future family :)

[Anonymous No.16281976]

>mfw social outcasts are so resentful with society they've convinced themselves they'd be better off picking berries for King Grug while he plows their mothers, sisters, gf and children

[Anonymous No.16281982]

>>16281821
> How old are you? I'm 23. Those things are definitely possible as long as you're not a weakfag. I can tell you how to become them right now [...]
Not him, but I want to defend his point. If you pursue excellence within a given field you may end up an "unsuccessful excellent person" due the other factors besides talent/ability. Are you favored by your colleagues? Are other people rooting for you? Is there any oversupply of resumes in your field? It doesn't have to be the "elite kids" that are shutting you out of success (I think that was a dumb point desu), it can be anything unrelated to your ability.

All the sacrifices you will make focusing on your own success is a gamble, often not so calculated. At your age you haven't been getting accurate information by your past educators and from the societal messages at large. Namely, there are levels of aspiration success where the realism for you, the individual, is hidden. The risk profile for a large majority of people doesn't match the implied levels of aspiration from what media portrays and how people talk to teenagers/young adults about what they should pursue. Most people would trade less career success and less education preference for greater certainty: reachability of their target roles, and employability/security of their chosen field.

[Anonymous No.16281988]

>>16281901
>Make your own goals
Determinism. You make nothing, you cannot make anything, the goals you decide on are DNA programmed needs that you pointlessly strive all your life to fulfill before dying.
Lastly, what kind of goal would you find worthy? I'm genuinely curious. Compare the ones you have today to the ones you has as a child and see which ones are more fulfilling. The more you learn about life, the more sterile and suffocating your goals become.
>I plan to have many kids
Their loss for your gain.

[Anonymous No.16282001]

>>16281928
That number is declining sharply. Google it.

[Anonymous No.16282017]

>>16282001
imagine thinking this is a bad thing

[Anonymous No.16282035]

>>16282017
Depression, anxiety and suicide skyrocketing, and any genuine human warmth out the window. Not from too much delusion, but too much reality.
Imagine thinking reality is a good thing.

[Anonymous No.16282047]

>>16273843
actually it does jew boi. Stop trying to censor discussion.

[Anonymous No.16282051]

All the cope in the world won't change the fact that you are the primary cause of your misery.

[Anonymous No.16282065]

>16274214
probably because he's tired of how fucking pathetic it's gotten.

[Anonymous No.16282075]

>>16273868

Not really. If the society has dramatic falling standards of living then their will be alot more poor people. Those people will more likely be depressed.

Its pretty fucking simple when you thing about it. I guess you like shouting NPC buzz phrases instead of thinking.

[Anonymous No.16282082]

>>16282035
Reality doesnt exist, existence is a dream and we create it with our beliefs

[Anonymous No.16282092]

>>16282035
Cope and tell yourself there's a better world after this where everything's going to be okay, or accept the truth and realize it's a shit deal with a shit and scary ending.

[Anonymous No.16282114]

>>16274041
>we believed in living with our extended families

The boomer were the only generation that didn't believe it and they fucked up everything.

[Anonymous No.16282122]

>>16281982
Anon, it's about enjoying the journey. If don't make the cut to become an astronaut but you enjoyed your PhD and you enjoyed all of your preparation then that's a success and you can find another goal. I don't know what all your talk about the media is. If you want to become the best mechanic in your city then do it even though the media doesn't "glorify" mechanics, and if someone is better than you then at least you have a challenge to work towards. And yeah, it is good to reach your goals if that's what your last line is about, but most people will just make other goals to make their life more fun (assuming it's their goals and not societies/external factor's goals).
>>16281988
>determinism
Okay sure, whatever. You're saying that you had absolutely no choice in your goal of making this post and couldn't have avoided it no matter what, I disagree. And even then it's an irrelevant observation.
>Lastly, what kind of goal would you find worthy?
I don't know what goals would be good for you. I can tell you some of my current goals. Learn spanish to a fluent level- I'm practicing every day and already had a slight advantage since my parents know Spanish. Hit 1/2/3/4 (135 lb OHP, 225 bench, 315 squat, 405 deadlift) in the gym- gym was shut down so now my temporary goal is to work more on conditioning and improving cooking skills to improve my diet. My job offer got cucked by covid so I'm also looking for a job now. As a child I wanted to be president, and then I realized that I would hate that job. Plus why do the thoughts of my 8 year old self matter that much? 8 year old me was stupid.
>Their loss for your gain.
No, they'll be happy and get to experience life which is the greatest gift imaginable. Gotta risk it.

[Anonymous No.16282127]

>>16274499

We have had heroin for a long time. Originally it was suppose to be a way to get you off opimum. Much like today they use methadone to get you off heroin. Likewise, people are just getting addicted to methadone.

[Anonymous No.16282132]

>>16274560

The ethno-state, economy and family values don't exist in the present year meme. That is what he wants. Don't try to jew his argument.

[Anonymous No.16282139]

>>16281976
>gf, children
that would be an improvement

[Anonymous No.16282160]

>>16282139
implied rape

[Anonymous No.16282178]

>>16282132
>my children will be friends with brown people wah
Fuck /pol/, they deserve to be sad and depressed

[Anonymous No.16282263]

>>16282178
orcs aren't anyone's friends. Thats why they commit so many crimes. Only the west is forced into foreign invasion immigration policy. No other nation allows hordes of foreigners to come and take their jobs and homes.

Try your NPC buzz terms some more in the face of logic and truth.

[Anonymous No.16282284]

>>16282047
No, it doesn't. This is a garbage thread and you should feel like garbage for defending it.

[Anonymous No.16282299]

>>16273629
Have you considered the fact that your views are based on faulty information and confirmation bias?

For instance look at your claim in
>>suicide rate the highest in two decades
This is objectively false and easy to demonstrate globally suicide rates are falling. Likewise even in the US the suicide rate per 100,000 is almost the same now as it was in the 1950s.

How much of your world view here is based off of what you see on 4chan and social media?

[Anonymous No.16282346]

>>16275575
Very difficult to resist the temptation of this first option.

[Anonymous No.16282358]

>>16281611
>This masculine pathology is certainly no mystery if people weren't so apathetic as to give it a proper investigation
I know - its called "toxic masculinity" and feminists have been pointing this out for decades.

[Anonymous No.16282359]

>>16282001
So?

No atheists are running around forcing you to convert to atheism. I am free to believe in God. So are you. If you think this will bring you happiness, find a faith you believe in.

[Anonymous No.16282364]

It sounds too simple to be true, but there really is tremendous freedom on not caring what others think.

[Anonymous No.16282405]

welcome to atheism, wow the enlightenment really freed us all bros!!

[Anonymous No.16282583]

>>16282122
>If don't make the cut to become an astronaut but you enjoyed your PhD and you enjoyed all of your preparation then that's a success and you can find another goal.
The astronaut is a good example because I think we implicitly understand that there are only so many astronaut positions available (or NASA positions in general). This is true for other fields too, it's just not part of the cultural message that some job roles are over-saturated (and thus the cultural aspiration for these fields is mismatched to what most people's risk profile actual is). There might be thousands of openings every year for some type of job, but each opening gets an avalanche of resumes. Most people would rather pick their 2nd or 3rd (or 5th) preferred major or preferred career path if they could know in advance that it would avoid this.

In your specific example where someone is getting a PhD only to graduate, then having to stop after a couple years to regroup and make a lateral career move is a sacrifice. They've missed out on a lot of earning years to start their savings. How nose to the grindstone were they in grad school and those couple years fresh out? Then they also missed on chances to make friends, relationships. And the more "aspirational" the level of success you reach for, the more competitive pressure you feel to be nose to the grindstone.

I don't like the original anon's point that "equal opportunity" doesn't exist. But I do think the risks and sacrifices are hidden from the young. Every possible career path tends to be presented as "equal" by society outside of the extreme cases. The cultural message only puts the focus on how they pay different amounts of money and require you to study/perform boring subjects and tasks. You aren't going to be warned out of doing something stupid, like getting an education for a job that most people who are good enough don't end up getting. You started your sentence ("If I don't make the cut") is not the bigger risk. The risk is that being "good enough" in terms of ability is not good enough in terms of success or life stability.

[Anonymous No.16282869]

>>16273700
>>16278959

Nobody should believe we are living in the best possible timelines. That you bought into it, and that the lie took you out of your depression for a time is a sign of misaligned incentives and values. It's your fault for being so weak that you are overcome by societies failures. That's on you, the individual.

That you think you're owed happiness is a problem only you can solve. Society doesn't owe you anything. Life, the universe, doesn't owe you anything.
People like you are just weak and are being overwhelmed by your environment and are too stupid to realize the error. Your values are all fucked because you think "happiness" is the goal instead of strength to overcome life's obstacles. Either build your strength or lay down and die.


Be better.
Be stronger.
Be smarter.

[Anonymous No.16282880]

>>16282869
Never read a word of Nietzsche in my life (still on the Pre-Socs), but if this is what he said then he's very based.

[Anonymous No.16282919]

>>16273690
Not him but im okay. Was where you are once and its no longer like it was, anon. Hang in there, bat off the inside pitches and try to get a hold of a good one, yeah?

[Anonymous No.16283066]

Holy fucking shit this board is so high iq it makes me depressed. I left lit for fit and my life is 100 times better i stopped thinking, i started taking showers hitting the weight and loving life. When i was reading dostoyesfki i was so blackpilled i couldnt leave the house.

Leave this high iq place. Also look up ray peat on how to reduce estrogen and stress

[Anonymous No.16283125]

>>16273629
>worke.. incels unite and overthrow female rule !

[Anonymous No.16283159]

i'm more worried about all the gay retards on twitter calling for mass rape and death camps because they were bullied in grade school
this becomes much more of a problem when they start taking it out on other people

[Anonymous No.16283164]

>>16283159
twitter resentful trannies and their hordes of simps are an epidemic
and 4chan is also pretty infested with them

[Anonymous No.16283210]

>>16278061
The problem is the people directing traffic you ignorant fucknut

[Anonymous No.16283211]

>>16273629
Unironically, laurence fishburne's character from boyz n the hood taught me that all of these issues are biopolitical.
https://youtu.be/5p9rqqJmDaQ
I'm not even black, but the quote that "the best way to destroy a people is to take away their ability to reproduce themselves" clicked. I'd seen the infographics, but when I heard him say it that's when it all came together; our differences will never be reconciled, technologies are deracinating us, and all these bs social issues come back to reproduction. You still have something you can fight for anon; go innawoods, have kids, and don't come back. Anyone that tells you otherwise is not your friend. If I don't make it, know that I tried.

[Anonymous No.16283230]

>>16274090
>commoditization of human nature
I recently finished a television series that I became very engaged in because I dissagreed with the ideological position it took, but the rest of the show was of high quality production wise. When it ended I felt an extreme depressive episode, worse than any other book/show/etc. Such a deep feeling of loss, but one that wasn't like a loved one, but the loss of the purist most deep escapism. I've been trying to identify this feeling and reading zizek and Simulacra and simulation and trying to identify the cause of this thrust back into reality, but I think you may have helped me put another piece into the puzzle. Thank you friend. Very good post.

[Anonymous No.16283268]

>>16283066
/fit/ unironically has a higher IQ than /lit/.

[Anonymous No.16283344]

>>16273700
>earth dying all around us
>unsustainable economies
>political tensions that may escalate into nuclear war at any moment
>the slow and painful death of human rights

I'd be more happy if I was sure humanity will survive this century.

[Anonymous No.16283566]

>>16283344
>the slow and painful death of human rights
Which ones do you see dying right now?

[Anonymous No.16283572]

>>16282358
Oh please, what have feminists done for men? It's been 100 years, how have men even slightly improved their lives thanks to feminism?
Not at all, not one bit. It's easy for feminists to claim that all men have to do is embrace feminism in order to solve their issues but you know very well that it is absolutely wrong. Society has been engulfed by feminism and moved towards the suppression of the patriarchy. That has spawned the incel movement, not "toxic masculinity", feminism has brought a complete disdain for young men who struggle, men are falling behind in education because they are viewed as so privileged that no one cares about their struggles.
I'm the first to say that most incels should just get a fucking grip, but first of all, I think many incels have suffered some kind of trauma, that doesn't justify their behaviour, but it probably makes the whole movement deeper than just "toxic masculinity", I don't think you become an incel just like that. Then, some are just too ugly and damaged to find love, that is a harsh truth, but you have to get into their shoes, wouldn't you be frustrated?
The problem I have is that modern society excuses women for almost everything, everything is always the fault of the patriarchy, or the fault of something, society has almost no accountability for women. But a man is always at fault, no matter if he was abused as a child, no matter if he's ugly as fuck and dealing with mental-health issues, he's just a despicable loser who really should get the rope.

[Anonymous No.16284012]

>>16282358
Man, /lit/ has really gone down the shitter while I was gone.

[Anonymous No.16284020]

>>16282299
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/sep/01/male-suicide-rate-england-wales-covid-19

[Anonymous No.16284044]

>>16280072
Holy cringe. If you live in developed world climate change will literally be net benefit to you. The only thing to worry about are climate migrants, but there is enough room at the bottom of mediterranean sea

[Anonymous No.16284057]

>>16280072
>climate change

[Anonymous No.16284077]

>>16278067
There is no rite of passage, which might be the point.

[Anonymous No.16284096]

>>16282358
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.16284114]

>>16273923
Based and redpilled, acting more healthily worked for me and it’ll work for you too

[Anonymous No.16284246]

>>16273629
Well my friend, there's a little book you should read, it's called Capital

[Anonymous No.16284350]

>>16281292
lol faggot

[Anonymous No.16284800]

>>16273700
>waaaaaaaaah society is why im a pathetic loser

Fucking man up, pussies, world has never been more easy

[Anonymous No.16284807]

>>16284800
based out of touch normalfag

[Anonymous No.16284853]

>>16284807
>he isnt a sad loser like me
>guess im just smarter and wiser than him, heh

[Anonymous No.16284866]

>>16273923
They might just be stuck due to work. I’ve got bills to pay. Sure a manic boost of energy will get me into the gym every day for a month, but it’s impossible for me to maintain it without something falling apart.

[Anonymous No.16284869]

>>16284853
>guess im just smarter and wiser than him, heh
Yes.

[Anonymous No.16284897]

>>16273629
yes, but try to remember you won't ever solve the world's problems in your short lifetime. try to be good to yourself, your friends, your neighbors and the people you usually wouldn't like. read literature and consume good media, eat good food, learn something valuable. stop listening to the people who have consumed their lives with hate, it is eating them from the inside out.

[Anonymous No.16285014]

>>16277838
>>16281611
One of the reason to read is to become someone who feel deeply, to have empathy. It's nice to see there is still people like you guys.

I've been living in a healthy relationship for 7 years now, but I see how all of my friends struggling, suffering.

There's a study on tinder. If you are in the bottom 80% of the man, that means 1 in every 115 girl you like will match you.

If you compare the inequality on tinder to wealth inequality, than being on tinder as a 7.5/10 man is like being the bottom 80% financially in Nigeria or whatever African country you can think of.

[Anonymous No.16285066]

>>16282869
If the root problem is weakness, then maybe we shouldn't have a society that produces such weak men.

[Anonymous No.16285102]

>>16285066
This, but in the other hand, I agree that happiness should not be a goal. Happiness is a byproduct.

[Anonymous No.16285107]

>>16281621
How fucking retarded are you to use a computer to post that from the privacy of your bedroom for the whole world to see, yet still won't believe the same science which made it possible when it comes to climate?

[Anonymous No.16285645]

>>16282869
>>16285102
>Hap is the Old Norse and Old English root of happiness, and it just means luck or chance
>German gives us the word Gluck, which to this day means both happiness and chance

One of society's functions is to guarantee citizens a level of protection from misfortune. People ought to be protected from problems not of their own making. If the only solution to any problem is "get strong", then why even leave the jungle?

[Anonymous No.16286383]

>>16275353
Based girard poster

[Anonymous No.16286390]

>>16273700
sounds like you still trust in your own reason which is good, i no longer even trust my own faculties to perceive what is happening out there in the real world let alone perform solid reasoning about it, and i even acknowledge that these thoughts themselves are inconsistent in ways i don't comprehend, and so on

foremost i have made the decision to follow Christ even if i am only capable of making the decision categorically and in my utterly abstract, insubstantial formal process.

>>16284800
eat shit cunt, i hope you live paralyzed in conscious agony trapped on a hospital bed for 70 years sustained off an iv drip and machines

[Anonymous No.16286409]

>>16282358
"Toxic masculinity" -- not just the phrase, but the concept it refers to -- was created by women.

[Anonymous No.16286426]

>>16282869
fucking hell another one of these tedious ass posts. shut the fuck up. your egg timer just went off, its time again for you to do another cycle of switching out your buttplug for your pacifier and vice versa. honestly read what you wrote and this time at least pretend to attempt to have empathy. dont you have more aurelius camus machiavelli essays youre supposed to be writing about on the redpill subreddit? go back.

[Anonymous No.16286459]

>>16286409
And to what extend "toxic masculinity" is women misunderstanding men is up for debate. There are neurobiological and endocrinological differences in how men and women think and behave that hold up statistically cross-culturally. If diminishing toxic masculinity simply means getting men to think and behave more like women, it will backfire and there will be a reaction to it.
This doesn't mean men should be adverse to being more in touch with their emotions, have more sophisticated conflict resolution skills, work on reigning in their pride, or feel shame about seeking help. That's not about gendered behavior, it's about being an intelligent and cultivated person.

[Anonymous No.16286461]

>>16282869
>>16280964
RANCID post

>>16281000
bumping

[Anonymous No.16286470]

>>16286459
>This doesn't mean men should be adverse to being more in touch with their emotions, have more sophisticated conflict resolution skills, work on reigning in their pride, or feel shame about seeking help
the number one reason men are reluctant to do that is because women don't like men who do that stuff

[Anonymous No.16286471]

why do leftoids think government handouts will make everything better?

[Anonymous No.16286502]

>>16286470
And if you do find a woman who encourages you to do that, she's only doing so in order to wield more power over you. "Don't be afraid to share your insecurities; that way, I can use them against you."

[Anonymous No.16286529]

>>16273629
The world has always been bad and it has often been worse

[Anonymous No.16286544]

>>16286502
>she's only doing so in order to wield more power over you
Absolutely delusional

[Anonymous No.16286567]

>>16273726
>>16273629

>Checkout Burnout Society
>Read Chapter
>Read first Paragraph
>"Every age has its signature afflictions. Thus, a bacterial age existed; at the latest, it ended with the discovery of antibiotics. Despite widespread fear of an influenza epidemic, we are not living in a viral age. Thanks to immunological technology, we have already left it behind. "

Wow, what a smart author. He can really predict the problems of time.

[Anonymous No.16286591]

>>16286544
Count yourself lucky that you can think that way.

[Anonymous No.16286631]

>"edgy" culture has gone from rock&roll (1950s) to suicide ideation culture

This is the part that scares me. People's wills are being broken. People are being made ready to submit. To corporations, to a totalitarian government, to artificial intelligence, or even just to Chad.

People had desires once, and put stock in those desires, and went out and fulfilled them.

When the last hedonist falls the world is truly fucked. If you want to save the human race you need to drink and dance and fuck and fight and never let anyone tell you what to do even if they're right.

[Anonymous No.16286750]

>>16286631
Your entire post is a non-sequitur. None of what you said has anything to do with the change in perception of what was edgy decades ago and what is edgy now

[Anonymous No.16286802]

>>16274009
Woke culture has undermined the efficacy of the western left.

[Anonymous No.16286810]

>>16286631
>>16286750
Is suicide even edgy anymore?. Today every normalfag is like "dude im le deppressed im gonna kms lmao". It seems to me it will soon be edgier to not be suicidal or deppressed

[Anonymous No.16286853]

>>16286810
It already is. Normies seethe when you tell them you're genuinely happy.
>Y-you can't j-just be happy when there are s-starving African children! H-how are you happy with all of this c-capitalism caused inequality! What about the h-heckin s-sexist incels! T-trump! Nazis! There's h-homeless all over California, it'll s-spread to you eventually! G-guns everywhere! M-mass shooters!

[Anonymous No.16286871]

>>16285645


>People ought to be protected from problems not of their own making

This is one of the main problems these anarchists and protesters of today don't understand. It didn't work for them so they throw the whole thing out and want to burn it down because they feel entitled. The world doesn't owe you anything, stop assuming you deserve protection and a "safe space" away from misfortune. You allow yourself to be afflicted by misfortune. It's easier to blame society than to take responsibility for your own shortcomings. Society has never been more open to opportunities to better yourself. You literally have the worlds knowledge base at your fingertips.

> then why even leave the jungle

I mean strength in the general sense of the word. Robust. Resistant to stresses from your environment.


>>16285066

The individual is born before society is even recognized. Society doesn't produce you, it influences your choices. Society is a tool.
People who blame society for their depression are expecting the tool to do things it wasn't meant for. The weakness stems from misaligned values. I can sit here and tell you what's wrong but we'll always get people like >>16286426 who don't want to hear it and have failed themselves more than society has failed them.

[Anonymous No.16286907]

>>16286853
>>16286810
Nailed it.

[Anonymous No.16286934]

Why do you care about fertility rates? Births can't increase forever. It's idealistic to think perpetual population growth is possible -- or even something that should be strived for.

[Anonymous No.16287039]

>>16273629
It’ll only get worse. Soon we’ll look back and see now as the good ol’ days. The only possibility at salvation is to drop out in some fashion before it’s too late. But that takes guts few have.

[Anonymous No.16287065]

>>16273629
>>home ownership impossible for many
If you're in the US home ownership is widely possible for most.
You just may have to live in "undesirable" cities. Not because of violence or crime or anything. Simply because there is nothing to do in those cities.

You need to be willing to move around.

[Anonymous No.16287076]

>>16287065
This got me thinking. What exactly is the end-goal? It seems physically impossible to fit everyone who wants to live in a city into a city. The only possible way I see is having hundreds of communities like pic related in cities. That's the only way for this to work logistically.

[Anonymous No.16287091]

I'm 29 years old, and maybe I've just gotten into that boomer mindset before my time, but it seems like my generation and those younger are all such fucking conformist. Imagine the hippies and the generation of '68 (which of course ironically turned into the boomers we have now). Seems like keep your head down and be happy you got anything at all is the prevailing sentiment.

[Anonymous No.16287095]

>>16287076
>It seems physically impossible to fit everyone who wants to live in a city into a city.
It's completely possible. You could fit all the people of the world shoulder-to-shoulder.
Obviously that's no way to live.

But for the environment we must begin to centralize into cities again. Many people want to live in the cities but the cities are in no shape to accept them do to mismanagement. Particularly NYC.

[Anonymous No.16287101]

>>16287095
>You could fit all the people of the world shoulder-to-shoulder.
...into NYC*

[Anonymous No.16287107]

>>16274137
What do you mean by 'frontloaded my depressions... "?

[Anonymous No.16287127]

>>16287095
Well yeah, physically impossible was the wrong term. You could just stack bodies on top of each other. But the photos of communist houses are the only things I could imagine fitting a lot of people into one area while allowing even a tiny place to live. And it was tiny, like pic related. Basically living in dorm rooms since the bathroom and kitchens were shared among floors.

[Anonymous No.16287136]

>>16287127
You just need taller skyscrapers. Quality of life does not have to decline, it can actually be improved.

[Anonymous No.16287151]

>>16287136
What happens if there's a fire or an airplane crashes into it

[Anonymous No.16287156]

>>16287136
And quality of life being improved is a stretch. The vast majority of people would have a worse quality of life.

[Anonymous No.16287187]

>>16284897
Holy shit, another adult. What's up? How're things?

[Anonymous No.16287262]

I'm not depressed because I have really good friends that I laugh and drink with all the time. That alone is reason enough to not be a sadsack.

[Anonymous No.16287275]

>>16287076
cool photo

[Anonymous No.16287282]

>>16287151
no big deal, just 19 years of mourning and counting...

[Anonymous No.16287302]

>>16278143
EL camino de santiago

[Anonymous No.16287327]

>>16287039
In what ways are things going to get worse?

[Anonymous No.16287448]

>>16287065
>living in cities
fuck people, give me the woods, the plains, the mountains. I much prefer their company

[Anonymous No.16287471]

>Incels rising
They are our only hope

[Anonymous No.16287535]

>>16287127
>>16287136
broke: people can live happily while being packed together like sardines
woke: people need expanses of empty, natural spaces that are easily accessible (ideally out their front door) in order to maintain good mental health

[Anonymous No.16287564]

>>16287076
In any given city there are tons of vacant homes and apartments, space isn't the issue. Infrastructure would have to be improved to really support all those people though.

[Anonymous No.16287689]

>>16287535
>people need expanses of empty, natural spaces that are easily accessible (ideally out their front door) in order to maintain good mental health
This is completely impossible without a huge decline in population

[Anonymous No.16287693]

>>16287535
Can be both

[Anonymous No.16287707]

>>16287535
bespoke: people can't be happy no matter what their circumstances are like

[Anonymous No.16287746]

>>16274471
That’s retarded. Chemical imbalances make it impossible for some people to experience happiness without meds.

[Anonymous No.16287773]

>>16287746
As someone whose brain suddenly went from normal to having severe anxiety issues for no good reason a year ago, can confirm that the brain just does that sometimes. I'm sure it can be the same for depression, too. Though it's still true that many cases of depression are just the result of self-destructive behavior.

[Anonymous No.16288972]

>>16273629
It is all 100% in your head, just like how being enthusiastic and eager and happy is 100% in someone's head. Maybe read Stirner if you haven't grasped this yet.

[Anonymous No.16289149]

>>16288972
>it's all in your head bro, just tell the sad it's not real