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16272517 No.16272517 [Reply] [Original]

Probably the most relevant book today.

>> No.16272554

>>16272517
Why not just read about the original anti-democracy philosophers like Heraclitus and Socrates, instead of this incel sophist?

>> No.16272582

>>16272517
His argument falls apart when you consider regents who have just as much of an incentive than an elected leader than do the most with their time in power than an elected leader and they hold absolute power too.

>> No.16272603

Does anyone know where you can get this book and not pay $40 for it?

>> No.16272618

>>16272517
Democracy is fine
The only problem is, that it presupposes, that people are actually members of a society, not just subjects to be manipulated and exploited
I know this is hard to get, and it's easy to buy some third rate internet disinformation, but there is no democracy, without community, and there is no community where you are all just serfs getting taken up the ass
And make no mistake, that is exactly what you are

>> No.16272620

>>16272603
libgen.is probably get a kindle and with libgen is you have all the books you'll ever need.

>> No.16272763
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16272763

Anyone else tired of this eternal society-wide quest for relevance? What drives people to be the next hot thing, or to get in on the action?

>> No.16272967
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16272967

Hoppe is so based.. libertarianism is the most cucked ideology but this lad is next fucking level, also his essay Short History of Man and his book Economics and Ethics of Private Property are fucking insane.. If more libertarians were like him maybe people would take that philosophy seriously

>> No.16273034

>>16272967
Hoppe is what's politically called a conservative

>> No.16273044
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>>16272517
Nope. Not a clear head, Hoppe

>> No.16273069

>>16273034
Lol no, he has specifically denounced conservatives as irrational collectivists and trotskyist socialists, he also does it in DTGTF

https://mises.org/library/intellectual-incoherence-conservatism

>> No.16273107

>>16273069
Your quote pegs him as a conservative.
Furthermore, he is a neoclassical liberal. Or is he more of a neo-monarchist?
Libertarians are ANARCHISTS.
...Everything in that quote is rot btw

>> No.16273115

>>16273107
How come you haven't hung yourself yet?

>> No.16273173

>>16273115
I have a meaning to life. I suppose you wouldn’t understand.

>> No.16273230

>>16273107
He is an old school austro-libertarian. What is now referred to as ancap in the mainstream is some Friedmanite/Caplanian type of cucked liberalism. And the kids nowadays are referring to the actual anarcho-capitalism as "Hoppeanism". Though, Hoppe is what 20 years ago used to be called Rothbardian anarcho-capitalist..(fuck libertarians seriously)
Anyways, Mises, Rothbard and Hoppe are the only good thinkers to come out of this movement, unlike the Randian liberalalas(as Hoppe calls them) who form the majority of the "libertarian" movement and are insufferable obnoxious cucks, those 3 at least are not le ebin weed smokers who want gay faggot couples to protecc their meth labs with tanks xDD.

Although, he criticizes democracy through comparing it with monarchism, he is not a monarchist, what he believes is that under a libertarian social order, communities will naturally form in a fashion similar to pre-democratic society, a-la aristocracy.

He's pretty much criticized everyone, ranging from conservatives, liberals, socialists and most of all libert(arians)/(ines) which is why all those movements love shitting on him. I really like his works because he used to actually be a socialist before finding out Mises's works and in his own books and essays he applies both austrian praxeological and marxist analysis

>> No.16273277

>>16273230
Oh that’s right, I forgot. He’s a faux-anarchist. A neoclassical liberal that can’t see that their economics needs a state/enforcer system to uphold it. They drive themselves mad trying to reason it into being.

If only he had found that money is the linchpin that needs pulling put to free us.
Thanks for the level reply

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16273279

Unequivocally based.

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>>16273277
He does not call himself an anarchist and is not a liberal though, be it classical, or neo or neoclassical or whatever. He, unlike anarcho-socialists or whatever they call themselves now, recognizes that the fundamental institutions of society are private property, the division of labor, the free exchange of goods and services and the family unit - none of those rely on the state to be "enforced", in fact all of them are under constant attack by the state - its precisely the utopian shit that "anarchists" want that needs to be provided by a dictatorial state. Also, he has previously written on banks and not in the best light ;^)

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>>16273348
>ts precisely the utopian shit that "anarchists" want that needs to be provided by a dictatorial state
You confuse Lenin and Bakunin. Yes, I know the old saw about all that shit they need a state to protect and enforce. They think it’s all mutually agreed to contracts and private security guards are okay, totally not coercion. Not fooled.

>> No.16273444

>>16272517
He made me monarchist

>> No.16273461
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Bakunin was based as he realized that the dictatorship of the proletariat will be abused by certain groups of people, however he is still a retarded anarchist. Marx was realistic enough to realize that the majority of the proles are imbeciles and collectivization can happen only through a dictatorship. Lenin is unironically the only leftfag I can respect, however all of them are evil and must be physically removed from civilized society

>> No.16273490

>>16273461
>Lenin is unironically the only leftfag
>for betraying the revolution and going full rightwing capitalist
The fuck is wrong wi—
> however all of them are evil and must be physically removed from civilized society
There is no civilization. You’re mad

>> No.16273492

>>16273173
>I have a meaning to life.

To annoy others?

>> No.16273509

>>16273490
>>for betraying the revolution and going full rightwing capitalist
lmao, read State and Revolution sweaty ;^)
>>There is no civilization. You’re mad
I suggest you read more theory

>> No.16273516

>>16272618
And how exactly is civilization supposed to exist without serfdom.

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>>16273492
That’s a pastime

>>16273509
I find nothing civil about this world. Leninism didn’t work, Mao and Dengism aren’t any closer either. We’re all still crossing our fingers for that to pan out.
>Lol read theory
Read strategy

>> No.16273577
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16273577

What's the book about? Pic related is the only relevant praxis I've read so far

>> No.16274158

>>16273348
>He does not call himself an anarchist
I thought he explicitly stated he was a Rothbardian Ancap or are you just playing by retard "an"com rules in order not to hurt their feelings?

>> No.16274341

>>16274158
He has said he does not like the word anarchist, he describes himself as libertarian and his system as natural law or private law society, otherwise yeah, he is a rothbardian ancap all the way down

>> No.16274678

>>16272554
Because Heraclitus and Socrates could not have foreseen WWII and its consequences.

>> No.16274759

Democracy only works in small, ethnically homogeneous communities.

>> No.16275044

>>16274759
To be fair, that applies to any ideology.

>> No.16276183

>>16273107
You remind me of this faggot on twitter named Kantbot

>> No.16276330

>>16272618
Interesting point. In Kitto's Greeks, he says that the democracy envision by the ancients is something fundamentally beyond the grasp of modern man. The reason for this was because as small city states, the entire community was culturally and morally homogeneous. The richest landowner and the simplest peasant might be vastly difference in terms of wealth, but both could recite Homers passages equally flawlessly. In other words, in a democratic debate differences of opinions could almost always be reconciled, in contrast to our modern way of life which emphasises specialisation of knowledge, resulting in fundamental fractures at the individual level that discussion and reason can never reaolve

>> No.16276651

>>16273348
>in fact all of them are under constant attack by the state

This is wrong. The family is being undermined by the market. The market hates families; they undermine the free mobility and availability of labor. The market is a dissolving force for all stable institutions of the past. There is no pro-family conservatism without the political power stepping in to tell the market to fuck off.

Hoppe is a meme.

>> No.16278290

>>16272582
That's hardly a rule though

>> No.16278304

>>16278290
It doesn't matter because Hoppe's argument is one of economic incentives.