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Why are his writings so pessimistic? imo the system is very fragile because it is run by people who are basically NPCs. He wrote in Anti-tech revolution: why and how about how a change would be possible if a part of the system collapses. I think we are close to that. Thoughts?

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16263422

>>16263402
bumping the daily Ted Thread(tm)

>> No.16263437

> Why are his writings so pessimistic?
Because his being has never been purified by the embrace of a woman.

>> No.16263466

There won't be a change though, it'll just rise again.

>> No.16263469

>>16263437
bait

>> No.16263480

>>16263466
it won't rise by itself, only if the NPCs want it

>> No.16263771

>>16263402
they aren't pessimistic. they are optimistic and hopeful. many people see the industrial system s a great evil but are hopeless and despairing. postmodernism, much of leftism, and almost all modern intellectual energy is devoted to COPING. But Ted is optimistic and hopeful because he sees revolution as a real possibility, and therefore his writing is meant to guide a practical movement toward the goal of salvation.

it's the ultimate hopefulness in a horrible environment. so i'm not sure how you think ted is "pessimistic." ?

>> No.16263915

>>16263402
>why and how about how a change would be possible if a part of the system collapses
he was over 100 years late to the party
we're well beyond the point of no return

>> No.16263964

>>16263402
He is just a spoiled, vicious little boy whose high IQ allowed him to throw a literary temper tantrum. His ôther interests included torturing animals to death. Guy is a pathetic, failed tranny, but he is getting all the BBC he wants now...

>> No.16263965

>>16263402
Why does there need to be a "revolution"? If anything, industrial society gives people the freedom to enjoy a hedonistic life, if that is what they desire. If you don't want that, then you can choose to live an austere one. The only problem with our current industrial society is the environmental impact it is having (pollution, global warming, etc.)

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16263980

>>16263965
>global warming
lol

>> No.16263987

>>16263980
You can't think that pumping billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere was a good idea. I do think that alot of the claims we hear are alarmist, but global warming is an issue.

>> No.16264005

>>16263402
I think people have confused the ability of capital and the state to recuperate and pacify potentially destabilising ideas, with a genuine endorsement of those ideas on the behalf of state, corporations, et cetera.

In The System's Neatest Trick, Kaczynski is able to accurately diagnose the mechanisms by which capital and the state is able to disperse rebellious energies but he kind of misses the point on why this happens. Moreover, Kaczynski completely misses the nuances of political struggle when he equates tokenistic corporate-level diversity branding and whatnot with genuine struggles against systemic problems to do with race, gender, class, et cetera.

Furthermore, I would argue that reading Kaczynski's critique of "progressive values" (whatever you mean by this; Kaczynski seems to have a confused definition of it himself) as a mechanism to pacify rebellious energies as a denunciation of the politics that underlie the "progressive" values themselves, and not as a condemnation of a system which recuperates and pacificies the struggles associated with those values, is also missing the original point of Kaczynski in that essay.

To be honest, utilising Kaczynski in an argument about America's exporting of progressive values is kind of weird because Kaczynski would see any kind of media that falls short of literally calling for the destruction of technological society at a fundamental level as part of The System's Neatest Trick. He would definitely view the alt-right as a mechanism to disperse rebellious energies, albeit energies coming from the right.

>> No.16264042

>>16263402
>reading what an autistic serial murderer has to say about society
ok chief

>> No.16264066
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16264066

>Why are his writings so pessimistic?

He manifested his gender dysphoria as rage against a society that wouldn't let him express his gender identity.

>> No.16264087

>>16264042
>>16263964

just imagine being this much of an ignorant dupe of propaganda.

>> No.16264098

>>16264066
Man the CIA really fucked him up. Still a brilliant guy tho, they couldn't make him dumb.

>> No.16264105

>>16264005
>he kind of misses the point on why this happens

explain.

I have often found that people who claim Kaczynski is "missing the point" are really just saying they disagree with his point, without giving an argument for why.

>> No.16264107

>>16264087
Sure thing, weirdo. Just don't shoot up your school, ok?

>> No.16264110

>>16264098
That's a myth and urban legend. Nothing happened to Kaczynski.

>> No.16264117

>>16263964
>. His ôther interests included torturing animals to death.
Wut

>> No.16264125

>>16264107
>weirdo
riiiight.....

“I recommend that you read this compelling perspective on how we can frame our struggles in a technological society.” —The Tech, MIT’s oldest and largest newspaper


“Anti-Tech Revolution is a true milestone in thinking about technology. It is a well-researched, well-written, and thoroughly-documented work dedicated to undermining the technological system before its worst consequences become reality. Nothing else like it exists. All those concerned with the future of humanity and the planet would do well to study it carefully.” —Prof. David Skrbina, University of Michigan, Dearborn


“There are more than a few people who feel that society’s rush toward a technological future will lead to disaster . . . This is very highly recommended.” —Midwest Book Review


“His work, despite his deeds, deserves a place alongside Brave New World, by Aldous Huxley, and 1984, by George Orwell.” —Dr. Keith Ablow, Fox News


“What [Kaczynski] presents is a sound moral argument with what should be eye-opening historical social illustrations that are, together, too numerous to refute.” —Jai Galliott, Ph.D. School of Engineering and Information Technology, UNSW Canberra


“He is clearly a Luddite, but simply saying this does not dismiss his argument . . . As difficult as it is for me to acknowledge, I saw some merit in the reasoning in [Kaczynski’s writing].” —Bill Joy, founder, Sun Microsystems


“In this thoughtful book, Dr. Kaczynski provides a blueprint for the radical anti-technology movement. If you want to stop AI before it’s too late, this may be your best bet.” —Dylan Evans, Ph.D., author, The Utopia Experiment


“A rational mind is on display in this book.” —Prof. Steve Fuller, University of Warwick, UK
I guess all of these other reviewers are "weirdo" too? I just love to see the tiny NPC brain try to rationalize it's way out of this.

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16264128

Ted's biggest failing was that he was overly identified with the egoic mind, which is in the habit of creating an endless melodrama for itself. It's surrogate activities all the way down for you if you don't cultivate a deeper sense of awareness.

>> No.16264134

>>16264107
So all of these other reviewers are "weirdos" as well?

I'd love to see how the tiny NPC brain rationalizes it's way out of this!

>> No.16264139

>>16264128
>vague ad hominem platitude

wow, brilliant! totally wrecked! kek

>> No.16264140

>>16264134
Take your meds. You're starting to unravel.

>> No.16264144

>>16264140
>no arguments

sad really. to go through life without the ability to think independently.

>> No.16264146

>>16264066
>couple next room making love
Oh I know that feel. It used to cause a bit of despair, but these days, my loudly fucking neighbour is a woman who is built like a quarterback whose blood type is trenbolone, so it doesn't touch me in the least anymore, thank god.

>> No.16264148

>>16264110
No, it's even documented. It's just uncertain if he got any drugs.

>> No.16264154

>>16264148
>it's even documented

no, it's not.

To have speculation and rumors printed on a page does not substantiate something. The myth is entirely based on an irresponsible journalist's (Alson Chase) speculation, nothing more.

>> No.16264159

>>16263964
I don't care, his writings are good. I separate that from the artist. Will you bother criticizing the art or will I have to send you back to /g?

>> No.16264164

>>16264148
>No, it's even documented

I tried to look for the source of the tranny stuff but it's from an obscure Unabomber biography that you can only buy physical copies of.

>> No.16264167

>>16264066
>Didn't join in.
Ultimate beta move. I fondly remember the day I shared my roommate's gf with him; it was an interesting way to lose my virginity, but it got the job done.

>> No.16264169

>>16264144
Ted is an autistic incel, and he has the worldview of an autistic incel. No surprises, no insights, just autistic incel rage.

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>>16263402
incels need to see the world as dark, in order to feel smart and superior to normies

>> No.16264205

>>16264169
I'm not even being ironic. it's really sad for you. your life is going to be really hard and painful.

>> No.16264224

>>16264205
Why? You going to mail me a bomb?

>> No.16264425

>>16264042
>>16263964
>>16264140
>>16264169
>>16264193
Notice how they can't refute anything Ted says and resort to character attacks

>> No.16264442

>>16264425
Refute Jeffrey Dahmer.

>> No.16264447

>>16264425
yep

>> No.16264452

>>16263402
>>16263480
>>16263771
All these are a giant cope. I have no idea how you guys keep thinking that all that is happening is a derailment from how "things are actually supposed to be" and keep imagining scenarios with evil enemies responsible for the actual state of things. Be it the jews, NPCs, niggers, aliens, the demiurge, the result is always one and the same: reduce a complex phenomenon (which may not even exist!) to one cause which would make it intelligible for you - and by "intelligible" I mean, that would reduce it to the simplicity of a Marvel movie or of the Lord of the Rings, where evil is clearly identifiable in a precise entity acting malevolently and willingly against good. Now let me tell you: this a childish way of thinking, and it signals nothing but intellectual lazyness in dealing with the interconnected web of causes and seemingly random event which generated the current situation.
You think that progress in history is achieved by overcoming evil entities in favor of good ones. Everything proves you wrong, first of all because there is no progress, and second because the only motor of change is the random selection of certain traits to survive in a random series of changes. Crying because the trend you like is getting blown out of existence is to no avail. Whatever survives historical change is the thing that most adapt to withstand those changes. Introducing the notion of value to judge some ways of being as better than others is, in all honesty, stupid.
Accept change for what it is, and whatever emerges from it for what it is. Nobody is conspiring against you. There are no factions and no enemies. It is not you against them: it is every man for himself and god against all.

>> No.16264455

>>16264442
What did Dahmer say?

>> No.16264467

>>16264452
There are many conspiracies and factions and you are honestly a retard if you think there aren't.

>> No.16264487

>>16264467
I think that it is far more likely that the retard is the one ascribing all his problems to evil jews/women/NPCs/niggers/aliens/demiurges conspiring against you.
But who knows, maybe one day you'll get to have an epic battle in a open field against these orcs and Rohan or Thor or any other Christ-like incarnation of your notion of value will come to rescue when you least expect it.

>> No.16264495

>>16264455
He said "don't play with your food."

>> No.16264500

>>16264154
>>16264164
kek I mean the MKULTRA experiments, not the tranny stuff

>> No.16264507

>>16264467
None of those factions are actually steering the ship, no one is in control, the elite are simply trying to profit from the circumstances they find themselves in.

>> No.16264566

>>16264487
You lack basic logical abilities, the existence of conspiracies and factions(something so fucking obvious it is actually comical you are denying it) has literally nothing to do with your random fantasies about 'epic battles'.

>> No.16264572

>>16264507
You don't know that because you are not one of these elites. You can only speculate from the outside with incomplete information, what we do know is that they exist.

>> No.16264641

>>16263402
>system is very fragile because it is run by people who are basically NPCs

I haven't read much on the TQ but I'm pretty sure that this is the main point; that we have let technology (which facilitates globalism) run our lives instead of the other way around.

>> No.16264649

there is no such thing as an "NPC". it's only your superficial, adolescent understanding of the world.

>> No.16264655

>>16264455
*burp*

>> No.16265557

>>16263437
"""purified"""

>> No.16267037

>>16264507
this is true 100%. there are only people who pretend to control the direction of society.

>> No.16267041

>>16264649
Spoken like a true NPC.

>> No.16267069

>>16264566
Can you read the English language? He's >>16264487 literally saying that the "random fantasies/epic battles" you describe are invented by idiots to over-simplify a complex series of interrelated problems. You're also too hung up on the word "conspiracy theory," his second reply that I just linked to is only driving home his initial point. You're saying, "but conspiracy theories are real" and in turn he re-asserted his initial argument. You could both get somewhere and even possibly find some things to agree on if you said talked about WHAT the conspiracy theories actually are. For example, The New World Order. No one would dispute that plutocratic technocratic elites, the wealthy and those with power in politics coordinate and conspire secretly around the world. Get that stupid term "conspiracy theory" out of your system, it was literally coined by the CIA which encourages the stereotypical tin-foil hat right-wing conspiracy theorist to blab his mouth to make legitimate observation towards their coordinate plans look stupid.

The "All these are a giant cope" anon >>16264452 is correct. Conspiracy theorists often falsely scapegoat the sources of problems in a "good against evil," "it can all be distilled to this" sort of way. That doesn't mean nefarious people don't coordinate in a covered up manner. The very fact that governments exist the way they are now is proof of this. It just means you have to be careful to not morastically simplify all problems to one thing like "the jews" "the aliens" etcetera.

Instead of going out of your way to mis-interpret
and twist around his clear words, try to understand the basic things that he is saying and reply from there.

>> No.16267074

>>16263964
>torturing animals to death
Source?

>> No.16267096

>>16267069
He said there were no conspiracies and factions, painting the world as if it were random chaos of 'every man for himself'. This is just obviously not true so I told him it wasn't true.

>> No.16267414

>>16263965
You are completely discounting the longterm dysgenic effects such a society will have on it's human inhabitants.

>> No.16267415

>>16263437
He's a felon. Bitches love felons

>> No.16267433

>>16264128
fairly true, yeah.

That's everyone on this board though.

>> No.16267552

>>16263402
The system is invisible and in constant change, its nothing and is everything.

>> No.16267953

>>16264167
pics of her?

>> No.16268101

>>16267953
no

>> No.16268106

>>16263402
he is wrong in thinking it is possible to collapse the system

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>>16264452
>Nobody is conspiring against you. There are no factions and no enemies. It is not you against them: it is every man for himself and god against all.

>> No.16269237

>>16263402
He is a genius and autistic incel. He never had a chance therefore he keeps spouting pessimistic thoughts.

>> No.16269278

>>16269237
>He never had a chance
He is very well known considering that he's extremely anti system. Most people with his views are practically unknown and quickly surpresser and forgotten.

>> No.16269283

>>16269278
*surppressed

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>>16264117
>>16267074

>> No.16269310

>>16269289
so......your source is a 4chan post?

>> No.16269365

>>16269278
I mean he never had a chance at normal NPC life , his brain won't let him use his genius to milk the system and do what's expected of an academically brilliant guy

>> No.16269516

>>16269365
>his brain won't let him use his genius to milk the system and do what's expected of an academically brilliant guy
I'm no genius but this is also a struggle that I have. I always think should I just sell people crap that I know would harm them and make a lot of money or just leave this system as far as possible and live in the wild? It's these both extremes and I can't tell which is better.

>> No.16269520

>tfw you will never be a well read well educated high IQ chad indipendent thinker
it hurts

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>>16263402
nothing pessimistic about tk.

>> No.16269893

>>16269516
Well being a hero is hard and most who try to go against the system are ostracized and only a few succed . So if you are happy to live with the fact that you lost to the system but won the "game of life" you should use your abilities for your own profit and enjoy what little time we have on this planet.

>> No.16270014

>>16263402
People said the system will collapse after each quota was introduced and the system didn't collapse. I bet that when the US student loans got a reform somewhere in the 80's there were people who said that now there's going to be massive inflation of tuition(which happened) and massive decrease in quality of education(also happened) which will lead to people slowly abandoning higher ed, and yet for the last 4 decades % of people attending college is increasing. The "system" has enough retention to be run like shit for the next 500 years. It will run like shit, yes, but it won't collapse.

>> No.16270036

>>16264128
In other words you are a lazy, anti-intellectual asshole who wants everyone to be illiterate and the world to be endlessly repetitive and monotonous.

>> No.16270047

>>16270014
we'll see

>> No.16270118 [DELETED] 

>>16264105
Not that anon, but I'm the anon who originally wrote the post that anon is quoting (it's from somewhere else, why it is being re-quoted here is beyond me).

What I meant is that Kaczynski is able to describe the mechanisms by which the state is able to pacify leftist politics (through academia, in which leftist ideas are defanged and turned into liberal bourgeois bullshit), but he believes that the reason why this happens is that leftist politics is somehow inherently "good for the System". He uses the example of feminism and liberal race politics. Indeed, in making this assertion, Kaczynski conflates leftism with liberalism, and misses the point entirely that the reason why the liberal bourgeois is so eager to recuperate leftist ideology is that it is potentially dangerous and destabilising, not because it is somehow inherently "pro-System", as Kaczynski seems to infer. As the right starts to turn into a legitimate ideological threat to "the System", you will see similar recuperations of rightist energies that might be dangerous, albeit in spheres other than academia.

>> No.16270170

>>16270118
>Kaczynski conflates leftism with liberalism, and misses the point entirely that the reason why the liberal bourgeois is so eager to recuperate leftist ideology is that it is potentially dangerous and destabilising
Do you really think he's THAT stupid?
He made clear that the left activists think that it's anti system because the system made them think this way with a trick, so they are manipulated to be useful idiots.
There is a reason why this antisexist, antiracist etc ideology is pushed ad nauseam by the system while REAL anti system ideologies don't get any platform at all.

>> No.16271284

>>16270170
this.

Also,

>the reason why the liberal bourgeois is so eager to recuperate leftist ideology is that it is potentially dangerous and destabilising

This is like 100% wrong and I'm surprised someone living in 2020 could actually think this. Did you think before typing this??

>> No.16271298

>>16270014
really naive perspective. many scientists think there is only a 50% chance the system will survive the 21st century. Martin Reese being one. Complexity, interdependence, resource exhaustion being all partial causes.

>> No.16271376

>>16264005
Why are you even bringing up the alt-right, at all? Especially with the previous mention of both media and progressive values -- as though the "alt-right" has a handle on either in any influential manner.

Rebellious energies of ALL political spectrums coalesce in some manner; it's not strictly on the right, and neither is it strictly on the left. He would definitely view any rebellion that doesn't address the technological system as a waste of time and having been tricked by the system.

Don't get bogged down into viewing it as left or right. Both the alt-right and antifa and whatever are part of the system, as it currently stands.

>> No.16271922

>>16271376
this.