/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16243201]

Is there a book that explains why seemingly every other zoomer/millenial is depressed as fuck? Even this generation's music has become strikingly depressing according to scientists

[Anonymous No.16243212]

it's because no one has parents that are involved in their lives and we can live totally in ersatz, nothing is normal, social media is a feedback loop that crystallizes your most trivial childhood fascinations into your entire identity to motivate you in consumption and hypergamy is reaching a level that will probably make society collapse in a few generations

[Anonymous No.16243235]

>>16243201
end stage capitalism. the world is on fire, there are no jobs, and everyone is in debt. we have no future and no security. No future means no hope, no hope mean depression.

[Anonymous No.16243242]

>>16243201
Capitalist Realism
Burnout Society

[Anonymous No.16243245]

Zoomers and Millennials both have no hardships to speak of. All their depression is the result of having way too much time to sit around and think about how uneventful their lives are.

[Anonymous No.16243252]

>>16243245
More like the gulf in their minds where critical thinking and self respect would be

[Anonymous No.16243254]

read mark fisher - ghosts of my life

[Anonymous No.16243258]

Zoomers are blackpilled af but they hide it with layers of irony.

[Anonymous No.16243260]

industrial society and its future

[Anonymous No.16243275]

>>16243258
sponge bob hood video distorted noise mash ups hardly qualify as any kind of pill degenerate

[Anonymous No.16243280]

>>16243235
yea just turn on the news for 5 minutes OP
a fucking reality tv star is president
the whole world is under quarantine
huge recessions in 2008 and 2020
did you really need to ask this?

[Anonymous No.16243368]

>>16243201
probably an unpopular opinion here, but I think its mainly because of the extreme amount of literacy growth in the past century.
Also social media pretty much sealed the fate of being-in-the-world without any other option. There is no more room for subject withdrawal, even in secular practices

[Anonymous No.16243400]

>>16243368
I do think that is part of it. If I lived in the past and had an actial decent upbringing I would be so much happier. Only time I would deal with people like jaime is when I throw them a nickle to shine my shoes.

[Anonymous No.16243564]

millenials were told to go to college and to study hard. just as they were graduating, economy collapsed and many ended up working at shit jobs that have nothing to do with what they studied, and they are being told they are "entitled snowflakes" just as they are being denied the same things boomers had

those boomers seem to actively hate us and specifically vote for parties that are dead set on destroying our future: either spineless libs who will do nothing and let the world burn or right-wing nuts who will actively stoke the the flames.

climate change is something that we were told about in schools for years and the politicians are saying it's not real or that they will do nothing about it.

besides that, the state institutions are being destroyed trough privatization, the economy is fake and only exists for the benefit of rich assholes.

and I even didn't mentioned niggers or foreigners yet. if you're the former, you'll be shot on the street for walking too fast and if you're the latter, usa will invade your country and destroy it and you'll have to deal with fucking cia glownigger-funded terrorist who will behead you for stupid shit or, if you're lucky you'll escape in a shitty boat and drown in the middle of mediterranean sea because europeans think you're all terrorists

[Anonymous No.16243611]

Higher price of living
Higher price of property
More qualifications needed for decent jobs
Economic downturns
Political polarisation
Constantly being shat on by Gen Xers are Boomers who had more opportunities than them

[Anonymous No.16243640]

>>16243611
global pandemic
ecological collapse

[Anonymous No.16243643]

>>16243201
Zoomer music sucks so hard

[Anonymous No.16243658]

You don't need a book. Just look around you. Zoomers inherited nothing and are nothing. They will mostly be the scum who do the menial labor jobs. Depression may ultimately result in suicide, but for zoomers, death is a blessing.

[Anonymous No.16243669]

>muh wuflu
>muh recession
>muh mark fisher
zoomers and millenials are just whiny cunts in love with the appearance and "aesthetic" of depression because that is what is marketable and acceptable. very few of them actually depressed.

[Anonymous No.16243688]

All jobs have been outsorced to shitholes so Western kids have no meaning left in their lives other than being another drone serving consumerist interests and political discourse. If people shut off social media and spent time with their friends, eating healthy, doing sports, etc. there would be literally no issue to complain about for the average westerner.

[Anonymous No.16243696]

>>16243669
This, really. I don't doubt quite a few zoomers are depressed, but for the vast majority of those that claim to be so, it's a fashion statement. Mental illness is in right now.

[Anonymous No.16243723]

>>16243400
Go be a monk or something then

[Anonymous No.16243775]

>>16243564
whoa there, is that a based post on /lit/?

[Anonymous No.16243817]

>>16243775
>based
>unironically talks about climate change

[Anonymous No.16243824]

>>16243201
Digital ephemeralization of social relations, in a word, social media. The progressive generational reduction in living standards. The domination of labor by capital. Debt. An ineffectual, hysterical, corrupt political culture. The demise of virtue as a cultural aspiration.

[Anonymous No.16243826]

>>16243723
Did you think of that retort all yourself?

[Anonymous No.16243827]

>>16243775
>stale bernie talking points + the naughty word

[Anonymous No.16243835]

>>16243817
ah, i forgot. it's a massive global conspiracy and you know better than people who have spent decades studying climatology

[Anonymous No.16243838]

>>16243723
If you could change personalities with Bogey or one of those other old people I wouldn't even hate you at all or find you annoying.

[Anonymous No.16243845]

>>16243835
and somehow they faked the temperature getting hotter and hurricanes increasing and all the glaciers melting
and there aren't going to be any consequences from any of these things

[Anonymous No.16243847]

>>16243201
It’s unironically because they’re overweight and don’t socialize enough
That’s literally it

[Anonymous No.16243857]

They live in a society

[Anonymous No.16243869]

>>16243845
>>16243835
better not have any children because the evil scary weather is gonna be warm in 30 years and give you a sunburn. in fact, why not kill yourself right now bitch?

[Anonymous No.16243875]

We don't want to wagecuck, we want to become youtubers or ecelebs but after a decade we realize that you either have to be a woman or a jew to make money online

[Anonymous No.16243904]

>>16243869
i'm not sure where all this anger is coming from. feel free to debunk climate change if it's so important to you. besides. it was one of several points in the original post and not at all the main argument for why the future is fucked

[Anonymous No.16243913]

>>16243875
Wow, that’s really pathetic

[Anonymous No.16243917]

>>16243869
You are being facetious, and perhaps this is a topic for /sci/, but let's be real: fixing this issue is going to require some mass carbon capture and storage technology. Doomerism won't solve a thing.

[Anonymous No.16243919]

They live in the end of history and subconsciously know that meaningful change and progress are impossible. There is nothing for them to do beyond curating the museum of history, which is what the American riots are all about.

[Anonymous No.16243920]

>>16243201
THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION

[Anonymous No.16243949]

>>16243201
let's get back on topic. who's read this?

[Anonymous No.16243967]

>>16243949
I have, really enjoyed it. Have you?

[Anonymous No.16243974]

>>16243564
>climate change gave a whole generation an existential meltdown

>>16243775
Okay reddit

I’m so glad i’m not a cringey doomerzoomer or whatever you’re all called.
Like I can’t believe I’m actually saying “i’m so glad it was my time to learn how to socialize and talk to girls from 2007-2011; that was a really lucky break for me”

[Anonymous No.16243985]

>>16243967
no, it's been on my list for a while. i heard somebody say that BCH is basically ted kaczynski if he ever had a gf

[Anonymous No.16244004]

Despite zoomers being immersed in an oversexualized culture from birth, they are the most sexless generation in a very long. Like a third of both sexes are virgins at 25.

[Anonymous No.16244044]

>>16244004
And this is bad because...? Teen pregnancy and STD prevalence are at a historic low.

[Anonymous No.16244069]

>>16244004
i think a big part of it is that social media effectively suppresses real, traditional socialization and ends up creating a social environment that many people are averse to. particularly for kids who grew up without smartphones and facebook, the transition to an 'online' society was extremely damaging to interpersonal development

[Anonymous No.16244096]

>>16243835
>NOOOOOO THINK OF ALL THE JEWISH MIDDLEMEN GIVING CLIMATE CONSULTANCY AND SKIMMING THEIR DOLLAR OUT OF CHARGING FOR TRANSACTIONS ON TOP OF TRANSACTIONS
>NOT THE GOOD FINANCIAL DUDERINOS, NOT THE FLIPPIN HECKIN GOOD WOKE CAPITALISTERINOS NOOOOO

[Anonymous No.16244098]

>>16243245
I don't slaving away for 12 hours every day in Ford's car factory, or breaking your back in the fields for your feudal lord, would make one any happier than consooming social media for the same amount of time. Both activities are soulless and passive, they drain away at your spirit.
You have to turn to something to cope with the tedium: whether it's drinking until you get an ulcer, or shitposting about depression under 3 layers of irony, I think the root cause is the same, people are alienated from genuine human relationships. We either replaced humans with material goods, or see humans as things, and aren't able to connect with each other, but the end result is the same. All throughout history teens have been angsty, self-loathing and self-absorbed, but zoomers took those traits to new heights. The melancholy and loneliness of wealth, decadence and being "useless men" used to be the privilege of the rich, but now has become the plague of the common man.

[Anonymous No.16244113]

>>16244044
They’re not virgins because of their morals, they’re virgins because their fat weirdos and all they do is bitch about being kissless virgins

[Anonymous No.16244115]

>>16243212
>>16243564

People have already touched on some of the main reasons. I think the overwhelming thing is how hopeless any meaningful change appears to be. What are we meant to do about of this? Vote? The political system seems inoperable and unaccountable to the people. Protest? Grassroots movements tend to fizzle out into embarrassing larps without any meaningful goals or leadership. Social media is increasingly hostile and polarised, you can't just 'stay away' from politics, it's fucking everywhere and bleeds into everything. Everything is culture war bullshit that seems designed to passively feed you ideology and make you think everyone else despises your group. It's exhausting.

The news is the worst. How does anyone stay plugged into that for an extended duration and not go insane? How much mental energy is wasted on things that seem to fade into irrelevance as soon as the media switches its focus. Remember the Mueller report? ISIS? The Iran shit at the start of the year? It seems like we just wake up and one day and something is breaking news and it's the biggest, most dramatic event ever and then a week later we just forget it happened.

Would like to write about how jobs are increasingly abstract, precarious, short-lived and producing little thats tangible, but can't be bothered.

[Anonymous No.16244129]

>>16244115
>how hopeless any meaningful change appears to be
Try to take 30 seconds and apply some critical thinking and realize that shit like this true in every generation. You think liberal teenagers weren’t disillusioned during the Reagan years?
Try and stick to stuff that’s actually unique to people under 30

[Anonymous No.16244141]

>>16244113
Well it worked didn't it? That's what matters.

[Anonymous No.16244147]

>>16244141
Based Machiavellian

[Anonymous No.16244168]

>>16243985
It's a good book, but I don't know much about the author.

>"Today's society is no longer Foucault's disciplinary world of hospitals, madhouses, prisons, barracks, and factories. It has long been replaced by another regime, namely a society of fitness studios, office towers, banks, airports, shopping malls, and genetic laboratories. [...] Disciplinary society is still governed by a no. Its negativity produces madmen and criminals. In contrast, achievement society creates depressives and losers. [...] Depression is the sickness of a society that suffers from excessive positivity. It reflects a humanity waging war on itself."

[Anonymous No.16244182]

>>16244098
*pets u*

[Anonymous No.16244189]

>>16244115
what they gonna do with all that money when they dead?

[Anonymous No.16244190]

>>16243949
Just pirated it. It begins, "Every age has its signature alictions. hus, a bacterial age existed;
at the latest, it ended with the discovery of antibiotics. Despite
widespread fear of an inluenza epidemic, we are not living in a
viral age. hanks to immunological technology, we have already
left it behind."

[Anonymous No.16244197]

>>16244129
The internet didn't exist back then. Companies designed to keep you on your phones didn't exist back in.

Think harder next time you fucking stupid faggot.

[Anonymous No.16244211]

>>16243201
The current trend of depressed young people will not last forever. I see three things happening in the future which will fix this issue, for better or for worse.

1. A global spiritual awakening. I think people will turn to old faiths, new ones (extreme nationalism a la CCP, or Neo-paganism in the West for example) to fill the void that modernity's rejection of religion has left. I think the rise of tradcaths, woke progressives, neo-pagans and magick practitioners are all hints of what is to come. (Sure, these people may be LARPing, but these things always start as LARPs.)

2. Global isolationism in the face of global warming. In 2015, Europe got it’s first taste of mass migration, and a wave of anti-progressive, anti-immigration neo-reactionaries rose to power as a result. The AfD’s rise to a prominent party in Germany would have been unthinkable a decade ago, but here we are. As global warming leads to mass migrations on a scale never seen before, I expect these movements to win, and for individual countries to become isolationist. This is further compounded by the stresses global warming is going to place on the global economy, which may not survive the ecological pressures. As a result, trade will become more localized, with goods traveling less from source to destination. As a whole, this phemonomen is likely to bring jobs back and create a stronger sense of community, at the cost of many of the pleasures and luxuries we enjoy today. While the net benefit of this is debatable, it does solve many issues causing depression today.

3. Demographic shifts. This is a bit blunt, but the populations of single young men that are depressed today will eventually die off. As the world’s population falls to some lower, sustainable number (I’d bet 500 million to a billion), the pressures of overpopulation and lack of romantic success many suffer today will be solved. Sure, the lonely men of today might be out of luck, but the future seems less harsh for those born then.

[Anonymous No.16244212]

>>16243260
This and Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis.

[Anonymous No.16244217]

>>16244212
huh

what do you think of that book anon, someone just let me borrow it

[Anonymous No.16244220]

>>16243201
A 2000+ year old literary tradition in the West mostly about the rottenness of life and your stupid enough to ask the question?

[Anonymous No.16244223]

>>16244197
If you change “social media” to “the media”, your whole first paragraph could have been written in 1981 lmao.
“larp” is the only other exception
Sorry zoomer, but we’re not in book two of your dystopian YA franchise

[Anonymous No.16244228]

>>16244004
Which of itself is a paradoxical form of hardship. Anomie.
The individualistic mandate of self-direction necessarily devolves into directionlessness. It may have worked for boomers, because the post-war economies were refreshed and growing rapidly, but now it's not the case. Propaganda about how good the economy has been is hollow. Nobody wants or needs another million soulless service jobs that degrade and grind down the human spirit and snuff out its spark. Meaning is participatory, communal. It isn't manufactured within the barren confines of your own personal career advancement or the next shitty raise.

[Anonymous No.16244233]

>>16244220
ummm try 200.

[Anonymous No.16244245]

Boomers I should add had their own countercultural reactions to similar forces. The hippie stuff was an attempt to break free of commercialized psychic regimentation .

[Anonymous No.16244259]

>>16244245
the hippy stuff was all a cope to justify dodging the draft

[Anonymous No.16244261]

>>16244228
I quoted the wrong post. This was meant for >>16243245

[Anonymous No.16244262]

>>16243201
We have no future

[Anonymous No.16244272]

>>16244259
Maybe so, but if the resistance is against a repressive social order, the epitome of that is a military draft. What I said was more relevant to the Beatniks

[Anonymous No.16244275]

>>16243775
Those are literally bernie bro tier talking points
>muh niggerinos!

[Anonymous No.16244276]

>>16244211
Of these, I think the last point is the weakest. Such a decline in population is likely to cause many issues in countries across the world.

[Anonymous No.16244290]

>>16244211
>1.
There is nothing to place one's faith in any more beyond niche and highly aestheticised ideologies and fad movements, and more importantly there is no homogenous group which will collectively improve it's e.g. morale, standards of behaviour by adopting some kind of religious ideology. Every western nation is fractured into jaded post-ideology individuals and highly religious collectives, neither of which has much to do with the other. The former are fading away while the latter are pretty much taking over, demographically speaking. LARPing as a pagan online means nothing in material terms. Western societies are too fractured and consist of too many rival ethnic groups for any collective force to emerge.

>2.
If this is going to take place, it must take place within the next ten years or so because after that democracy will become irrelevant to the average "native" person in a western country who hopes that their fellow natives will all vote for some party or policy which will protect their group from being out-breeded and replaced. In mainstream economic and political circles, the rapidly declining fertility rate in western countries will lead to something like a bidding war in about 80 years time, when countries like the UK and France will outbid one another in an effort tempt Nigerians and so on to migrate to their country because the fertility rate will have led to a declining population, which is of course hostile to economic progress and the GDP etc.

>3.
500 million to a billion isn't imaginable for another few generations. The population is still rising globally and is expected to peak in about 2100.

[Anonymous No.16244304]

>>16243835
and i bet you think you know better than the people who dedicated their lives to phrenology

[Anonymous No.16244305]

>>16243235
My world's on fire, how about yours? That's the way I like it and I never get bored

[Anonymous No.16244314]

>>16244276
I think he’s right in that the current crop of American incels with one foot in boomer values and the other in woke America will become a moot point. Probably even before they die.
I don’t see it as being a big population disruption though. They’re gonna pack the country with more than enough immigrants to make up the differences.

[Anonymous No.16244315]

>>16244098
>Breaking back for feudal Lord

>He doesn't know that serfs worked less than the modern man

[Anonymous No.16244340]

>>16244228
>"Rather, burnout represents the pathological consequence of voluntary self-exploitation. [...] That is, the achievement-subject competes with itself; it succumbs to the destructive compulsion to outdo itself over and over, to jump over its own shadow. [...] In the process, it develops an auto-aggression that often enough escalates into the violence of self-destruction."

[Anonymous No.16244345]

Well my parents never talked to me.
My dad denies to teach me anything, I just get a no when I asked. My mother even asked him when I was a teen and he always said no.
Almost all my teachers in school were women, no teacher loved their field.
You know who were my great role models growing up? Game Grumps and Hendrix because my dad made me listen to him when I was like 11, as an early teen I was raised by guys in their mid 20s playing video games through the internet and my role model was a guy who died from a drug overdose...
The only time my dad would talk to me would be him lecturing me on Dawkins and how God was terrible and how evil the bible is, my mom did nothing when I told her I got molested when I was 6.
I would probably be dead by now if I hadn't found /lit/, /g/ and /sci/.

[Anonymous No.16244363]

>>16244345
sorry you had to go through all that fren

[Anonymous No.16244373]

>>16244345
Sorry to hear it bro. I know that feel to an extent: raised by an uneducated depressed single mother who just let me do whatever I wanted, which was fun until I realised I had basically waste my adolescence playing video games alone.

[Anonymous No.16244396]

>>16244217
I really enjoyed it. I read the Screwtape Letters first which caught me on to just what a masculine take on Christianity it is particularly because of the intrinsic Second World War setting. Very enlightening and inspiring read.

I also enjoyed The Great Divorce afterwards. There's some serious wisdom even for atheists in these books.

[Anonymous No.16244433]

>>16243917
We dont want more "hurr durr climate isnt changing" or "hurr durr we are gonna die in 5 months" idiots on /sci/
We already have enough problems with the iq threads, /pol/niggers trying to confirm their own worldview on biology and the schizo(s)

[Anonymous No.16244448]

>>16244345
I parents divorced when I was 16. Before that my dad's job meant he was barely home most of the time. At 22, I'm only now barely beginning to grasp why the lack of a strong male role model is so bad for boys growing up. I live like a fucking slob and mom doesn't punish me for it. I wish someone would punish me for living so irresponsibly.

[Anonymous No.16244459]

NO MEANING
NO PURPOSE
NO CULTURE
NO LEADERS
NO RELIGION
NO HEART
NO WAR
NO BLOOD
NO SOIL

YOU ASK WHY SO DEPRESSED IN A DEPRESSING ENVIRONMENT?

[Anonymous No.16244461]

>>16244290
>Every western nation is fractured into jaded post-ideology individuals and highly religious collectives, neither of which has much to do with the other. The former are fading away while the latter are pretty much taking over, demographically speaking.
So do you think the percentage of people who are religious will increase, then?

[Anonymous No.16244470]

>>16243201
It's actually because of plummeting T-levels.

[Anonymous No.16244492]

is the economy real

[Anonymous No.16244511]

>>16244461
It's a difficult question because second and third generation immigrants are less likely to be as religious as the first wave, however with Islam I see no reason that they will become significantly less religious over the generations since the communities ethnically tend to keep to themselves and their lack of economic success means they aren't prey to the kind of atomisation which is encouraged by materialistic success etc. So yes, society will probably become more religious percentage-wise as muslims breed at a faster rate than native whites, who aren't breeding at all. But it won't be any kind of novel spiritual awakening imo, just the arrival of a virile religious ideology and its rather uneducated adherents into a land stripped of anything like a binding ideology, its population isolated, at war with itself (e.g., hostility towards those of a different class, age, etc) and largely content with a culture of comfort and leisure.