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Everyone who speaks against it hasn't even read it and their knowledge comes from memes.

>> No.16229888

>>16229874
Appropriate, since it is a meme book

>> No.16229917
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>>16229874
>Everyone who speaks against it hasn't even read it and their knowledge comes from memes.

>> No.16229925

>>16229917
His philosophy is way more popular and everyone learns it even in school

>> No.16230575

>>16229874
lmao I have not and will never read it. Hearing some book nerds talking about how might is right is very amusing, nonetheless.

>> No.16230593

>>16229874
Edgy Raskolnikov neckbeard ideology

>> No.16230617

>>16229874
refuted by the industrial revolution

>> No.16231257

>>16230575
>dork thinks he's better than book nerds
my sides

>> No.16232574

>>16230617
How? It was written more than a century after the industrial revolution.

>> No.16233034

>>16232574
Because might isn't right anymore considering that a femoid could easily defeat a gang of men using modern technology

>> No.16233064

>>16233034
When she has modern technology but the gang doesn't it's still might is right because the book clearly states that might is also determined by property and having no property means being a slave.

>> No.16233068

>>16232574
Retroactively refuted

>> No.16233073

>>16229917
>Genuinely reading ~2300+ pages of dense economic "theory" all based on bullshit schizophrenia like commodity fetishism that, of course, confirms the ideas later presented, in a similar fashion that stating "A=Z" then making the claim "Z is the start of the alphabet" would technically be true if the first statement is taken as truth
>all of this was written by a man who absolutely refused to get any sort of job after a bout with journalism, despite being implored to do so by both Engels and his wife, to the point that 4 of his children died due to poverty

>> No.16233075

>>16233068
How? Which part exactly is refuted? You clearly didn't read it. It's a short book, take the time and you will see that the memes are misleading.

>> No.16233081

>>16233073
>all of this was written by a man who absolutely refused to get any sort of job
Based

>> No.16233083

>Falling for the power process

>> No.16233087

>>16233083
>having no arguments

>> No.16233137

>>16229874
It's not bad at it's core, but it's outdated and goes on for too long. Could be summarized in a 5 page manifesto. Kinda like 'The Ego and his Own'

>> No.16233202

>>16233137
>Could be summarized in a 5 page manifesto
You can do that with all books. Bespite that MIR is one of the books most (indoctrinated) people would probably misunderstand if you break it down to some bullet points.
>but it's outdated
It's not, it's still alive and well. Might is right is the reason the state has police forces.

>> No.16233205

>>16233202
*Despite

>> No.16233285

>>16233073
>Making these mental gymnastics to justify not reading a book you are constantly seething about
based retard

>> No.16233407

>ragnar redbeard
what a stupid fucking name

>> No.16233415

>>16229925
>everyone learns it in school
What country are you from? Genuinely curious - they taught us literally nothing about Marx in Australian school

>> No.16233543

>>16233415
Germany. But don't you get confronted with communism when you learn about WWII and the soviets?

>> No.16233857

>>16233415
History classes pretty much serve as political recruiting in my country

>> No.16233862

>>16229874
That’s because they know better than to spend time reading a juvenile meme book. Them dismissing it that way is dealing with the book on its own terms.

>> No.16233877

>>16233543
UK here no, and in the anglosphere, I would assume no. Because naming the system that Nazis were opposed to would provide too much context for his actions. You are told about the german economic depression after WW1, but nothing about the social and politic elements or much about russia until Stalin during WW2, and even then as a nebulous entity.
This goes for the basic level of education of course, the standard for the plebs. I don't know what they teach in upper class schools.

>> No.16234077

>>16233862
>no arguments why it is a juvenile meme book

>> No.16234446

>>16233083
t. never worked a day in his life, still in school in hopes for a wageslave job he'll never get

>> No.16234514

If this doesn't inspire you you're not a man.
https://youtu.be/ZZDR6iAUelw
It's the purest of all philosophies.

>> No.16234618

>>16229874
I read the first 10 pages for the /lit/ memes and closed the tab because it reads like some boomer's mondo cringe shitpost about how we wuz Roman soldiers but pussies today. I would have given it more leeway if the prose wasn't also cringe.

>using a pseudonym to hide your retarded views

Doesn't sound like RETVRN-Chad behavior to me

>> No.16236317

>>16233285
I'll read it eventually, I need to get through the philosophical canon first; I've already talked to many Marxists who have read it, though, and I've read quite a bit about what's presented in it, and - while when I read it I will try my best to read it without bias - it seems to me so far that it's complete mental retardation delusion.

>> No.16236340

>>16229874
>Ragnar Redbeard
Just another shill for Te Kooti Arikirangi Te Turuki.

>> No.16236350

>>16234514
Cringe as fuck.

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>>16233081
>writing is not an occupation

>> No.16236632

>>16233202
Everyone who disagrees with you is indoctrinated :)

>> No.16236663

>>16234514
Almost everyone who likes MIR is a nerd who is compensating for a lack of masculinity in his real life with a disguise of masculinity on an anime-literature website for pedophiles, trannies, and social rejects.

This is not real masculinity. It is a display of feminine vanity.

>> No.16236909

>>16236317
"Marxism" is a term appropriated by the trannies and the idiots you talk to are irrelevant. It is true that some of his models have been shown to not be actionable (or at least largely imperfect) - but to call it mental retardation is the height of stupidity. There's a reason so many writers and philosophers held Marx in high regard. But I suppose your cultural conditioning doesn't allow you to analyse things in a rigorous, polemic manner, does it?

>> No.16237038

>>16236909
>"Marxism" is a term appropriated by the trannies
>listen bro use this word not that word; that word bad, this word good. That word used to be good, but now it's bad, ignore the colloquial evolution of etymology and/or the definitions argued for in the founding basis of my ideology, Communism has nothing to do with totalitarianism, it actually means property-less communes of peace! If only everyone used this word and not that word (or the word before it that was originally changed into that word) everything would just fall into place!
Why do Marxists always drop the entirety of their arguments down to the most contrived semantic debates? I think the funniest example of this is Trotsky's "ABC's of Materialist Dialectics," where Trotsky argues for paragraphs on paragraphs that A does not, in fact, equal A.
>It is true that some of his models have been shown to not be actionable (or at least largely imperfect)
Yes.
>but to call it mental retardation is the height of stupidity.
No, it's not. Marx based the entirety of his philosophy on false premises that are easily seen as false even by non-erudite observers.
>There's a reason so many writers and philosophers held Marx in high regard.
He's not, so I'm not sure who you're referring to.
>But I suppose your cultural conditioning doesn't allow you to analyse things in a rigorous, polemic manner, does it?
Didn't you, just a moment ago, agree with me that "some" of his models have been shown to not be actionable, or at least largely imperfect? Do you realize, as I've heard it very eloquently put it before, that Marixsm/Marxist-Leninism/Communism/Anarchism/Anarcho-Communism/Leninism/Maoism - or whatever other flavor you like to call yourself - is a materialist ideology based on Christian eschatology, and revolves entirely around the idea that the world is going to be reformed through some messianic individual who gains power and creates a sort of Communist utopia? Your entire ideology is false and based on an idea that "everyone can just get along as long as the entire world is in on it haha!" and is completely infeasible.

>> No.16237065

>>16237038
Oh fuck off, you are clearly interested in winning an internet argument more than seeking truth, and whatever I said you will find rationalizations to reject completely without even reading the fucking person being discussed.

>> No.16237075

>>16237065
>>16237038
You are both retarded stop arguing on the internet and go read a book

>> No.16237090

>>16237065
>you are clearly interested in winning an internet argument more than seeking truth
The words of a man who's realized his arguments are bullshit.
>you will find rationalizations to reject completely without even reading the fucking person being discussed.
Why do I need to read the person discussed? Don't you understand him enough to present his arguments well to me, and shoot down the points I've made?
>>16237075
Absolutely BASED

>> No.16237104

>>16233543
>>16229925
>Germany
far from everyone. And I'm an NRWfag