/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16215764]

Has this board been completely taken over by /pol/?

I used to remember /lit/ was the only left-leaning board on this whole website, but now all the political-related threads are filled with reactionaries. Did all the leftists give up and leave?

[Anonymous No.16215774]

No but that would be great

[Anonymous No.16215780]

>>16215764
>People show up with counter arguments
>Leftists leave
Seems right, but they didn't leave - they stuck around and just play the shell game instead of providing any counter-arguments of their own.

[Anonymous No.16215789]

>>16215774
>>16215780
I'm a leftist and I have counter arguments. Have you considered that your "arguments" might actually just be so dumb that no one wants to waste their time engaging you?

[Anonymous No.16215790]

>>16215780
Pretty much this. Once leftists couldn't drown out dissenting voices by numbers alone they ran away.

[Anonymous No.16215792]

>>16215764
No, it's just that /lit/ isn't completely a "read theory" echo chamber like it was 5 years ago. This place is hardly /pol/

[Anonymous No.16215798]

>>16215789
Oh, tell me more about how black people can integrate into White society without racial conflict.

[Anonymous No.16215801]

>>16215792
Well true, I didn't mean that the quality is as bad as /pol/. Just that the handful of people on /pol/ who know how to read might be dominating the board now.

[Anonymous No.16215807]

>>16215798
That's not an argument. An argument has something that backs it up (whether that be evidence or logical reasoning).
You're just making a declarative statement.

[Anonymous No.16215808]

>>16215789
I don't pretend to polemize political ideas in a board for literature.
There is a place for that already.

[Anonymous No.16215815]

>>16215789
>I have arguments
>MUH HUMAN RIGHTS MUH EQUALITY
all spooks

[Anonymous No.16215825]

>>16215808
I don't generally come here to discuss political ideas either. But political ideology invariably informs someone's stances on literature.
>>16215815
Private property is also a spook.

[Anonymous No.16215827]

>>16215807
Black people have not been able to create a functional society
When brought into a functioning society, they fail to function within that society
Therefore it's pointless to funnel niggers into Europe and funnel money into Black communities.

[Anonymous No.16215835]

>>16215827
i mean both of your statements are just factually incorrect. it's funny how ahistorical right-wing beliefs have to be in order to make a modicum of sense

[Anonymous No.16215837]

>>16215825
Sure, but literature should be the main topic of discussion.

[Anonymous No.16215841]

Is there any actual reasons not to genocide niggers that don't derive from the concept of Christian dignity?

[Anonymous No.16215847]

>>16215835
That's not an argument, you're just making a declarative statement.

I'm not sure why you bother replying when everyone knows that you're not arguing in good faith.

[Anonymous No.16215851]

>>16215835
What is the black functioning successful state

[Anonymous No.16215857]

>>16215827
>Black people have not been able to create a functional society
Only because they tend to be more rightwing.

[Anonymous No.16215863]

>>16215851
>BUT NIGERIANS ARE RICH!!!

[Anonymous No.16215870]

>>16215764
the sad thing is they aren't even into reading. they just spam the board with twitter textposts of leftist women with shitty opinions.
>books about globalism
>*pic related something about forced diverdiversity*
or it's obvious that they haven't read much books but they always try to start with books that are hard to read for beginners like them. they get filtered so easily. they only read just to say "haha i read that book".

[Anonymous No.16215872]

>>16215827
>Black people have not been able to create a functional society
Objectively untrue. There were dozens of pre-colonial empires all over the African continent.
>When brought into a functioning society, they fail to function within that society
Largely untrue. The majority of black people in any given country are gainfully employed, have a home, are not career criminals, are not mentally insane, etc.
>Therefore it's pointless to funnel niggers into Europe and funnel money into Black communities.
I don't know what you mean by either of these two statements.

[Anonymous No.16215875]

>>16215857
You know that you're implying that right-wing ideology is for low IQ people and that Africans are low IQ, right?

[Anonymous No.16215876]

>>16215825
>Private property is also a spook
Correct, now try and take it from me :)

[Anonymous No.16215877]

>>16215847
that's exactly what both of us are doing. obviously
i'm not arguing at all, as you just said, so don't really understand what you mean by "not arguing in good faith"
maybe read over your posts before hitting submit? just a thought

[Anonymous No.16215887]

>>16215764
>Has this board been completely taken over by /pol/?

Or maybe the people who post here have grown conservative after years of being vilified because they're male and white. Maybe they also like literature and the western canon and they're tired of professors, the media, and the twiterrati shitting all over it. I've been here since 2011. I used to be a centrist, then I moved to San Francisco and I saw what life is like when liberals control everything.

[Anonymous No.16215888]

>>16215764
Fuck you leftypol
This was never a left leaning board. Fuck off back to your own shit hole

[Anonymous No.16215891]

>>16215887
>after years of being vilified because they're male and white.
thanks for the chuckle anon

[Anonymous No.16215893]

>>16215875
Care to present a counterexample?

[Anonymous No.16215896]

>>16215893
How about Zimbabwe?

[Anonymous No.16215901]

>>16215888
rent free

[Anonymous No.16215906]

>>16215887
you just admitted to your political stance being entirely reactionary, it's actually pathetic the cognitive dissonance on display in this post

[Anonymous No.16215911]

>>16215901
It's not exactly rent-free when you're working around the clock for it.

[Anonymous No.16215920]

>>16215906
>reactionary
Spooked bugman buzzword.

[Anonymous No.16215924]

>>16215906
The immune system is reactionary too, retard.

[Anonymous No.16215928]

>>16215896
That only corroborates the theory.

[Anonymous No.16215947]

>>16215887
Left vs right has nothing to do with liberal vs conservative identity politics, brainlet.

[Anonymous No.16215951]

>>16215928
>blacks take over the breadbasket of Africa
>It becomes a socialist state
>They give Whitey's land to blacks
>Everyone starves
Surely your goal can't be to change minds. If your goal is just to waste my time, all you're doing is reaffirming these reactionary ideas in the minds of whomever reads this thread.

[Anonymous No.16215958]

>>16215887
the progs will never understand that people become right wing purely because they find them repulsive and insane

[Anonymous No.16215973]

>>16215951
>Zimbabwe
>socialist state
lel

[Anonymous No.16215987]

>>16215958
What are you, 8 years old? Politics has nothing to do who you like to hang out with, son.

[Anonymous No.16215992]

>>16215973
It really doesn't matter if it was socialist or not, black people blamed Whites for their problems, they kicked out White people, black people starved as a result, they then begged White farmers to return and feed them.

You have probably prevented some impressionable kid from ever becoming a lefty by being so retarded in this thread, congrats.

[Anonymous No.16215999]

>>16215992
Are you even following the thread?

[Anonymous No.16216001]

>>16215992
That's literally not even kind of what happened in Zimbabwe lmao. Do you think every African country is (your caricatured interpretation of) South Africa?

[Anonymous No.16216010]

>>16215947
>Left vs right has nothing to do with liberal vs conservative identity politics, brainlet.

Did I mention left versus right in my post? I don't see those words in there.

>>16215906
I couldn't give two shits if it's reactionary.

I work in politics and the public sector. Thanks for your tax dollars, they're paying for this post right now. Lick my nuts, faggot.

[Anonymous No.16216014]

>>16216001
That is in fact exactly what happened in Zimbabwe

[Anonymous No.16216021]

>>16216010
>Did I mention left versus right in my post? I don't see those words in there.
You're right, my apologies.

[Anonymous No.16216030]

>>16215789

I don't see why anyone with self-respect would waste time discussing politics with people from here.

[Anonymous No.16216041]

>>16216014
Well, first of all, it wasn't "white people" the revolutionaries were blaming. It was a white supremacist government that didn't even let black people vote lmao.
Secondly, "kicking white farmers out of the country" (did this even happen? I certainly don't remember that happening) isn't the reason Zimbabwe's economy went to shit. It went to shit because of successive droughts, depressed foreign trade, a second war, etc.

[Anonymous No.16216042]

>>16215999
>>16216001
You people have to realise that you are evil. Why would you choose to be liars? Do you really just get that much of a dopamine rush from being on the winning side (or rather, joining the side which is backed by the entire establishment already)?

[Anonymous No.16216049]

>>16216041
If they can't even sustain a farm, why on Earth should they be allowed to vote? Agriculture comes long before representative democracy.

[Anonymous No.16216064]

>>16216010
you sound very upset.

[Anonymous No.16216067]

>>16216030
>I don't see why anyone with self-respect would waste time discussing politics with people from here.

Because you can actually be open about you opinions here.

[Anonymous No.16216071]

>>16216041
Yeah it was a coincidence that the famines started as soon as they ousted the white farmers and put retards in charge

[Anonymous No.16216075]

>>16216042
Dude, I'm just stating actual facts that you can look up. White people were never "kicked out" of Zimbabwe. A lot of them left because they no longer got to enjoy the privileges of being first-class citizens, but there was never a mandate that they leave and, in fact, two-thirds of white farmers in Zimbabwe didn't fucking leave.
Your narrative is objectively, indisputably, demonstrably false.

[Anonymous No.16216079]

I think what you are noticing is just how loud and retarded conservative people are. In the threads where actual discourse takes place, the make up is still the same.

It takes a massive level of being a loser to "defend" your politics on a place like 4chan.

Personally I don't care about "the shift." Most of the people who are in this new conservative movement are young and will naturally give up on literature or become left as they learn more.

Also, any self respecting left loves dunking on the libs. And the memelords do a pretty good job of it.

[Anonymous No.16216085]

>>16215888
what do these retards want with this shithole?

[Anonymous No.16216091]

>>16216071
Do you think famines didn't happen in Rhodesia? You're shitting me, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyasaland_Famine_1949

[Anonymous No.16216097]

>>16215887
Some advance 4D chess by leftists. Riling you faggots up so people who like literature and the western canon post about everything except literature and the western canon.

[Anonymous No.16216101]

>>16215764
Left used to be counterculture now they are the corporate culture of consumerism and conformity.they will support capitalism totalitarianism and endless wars as long as their masters plaster rainbows all over and keep working class white people down.

[Anonymous No.16216102]

>>16216075
>A lot of them left because they no longer got to enjoy the privileges of being the only productive citizens in their nation
>Such as the privilege to own the farms which sustain the nation
>or the privilege to keep your head

[Anonymous No.16216107]

>>16216091
Rhodesia was referred to as the breadbasket of Africa because of how much it exported, including food crops.

[Anonymous No.16216112]

>>16216101
They were never really a counter culture, insofar as they were always backed by the establishment.

In that way, they were a counter culture in the same way that the secret police were a counter culture

[Anonymous No.16216123]

>>16216102
Again, the majority of white farmers stayed. Their heads seem to have remained on their shoulders. Curious.
>>16216107
And how dos that refute the fact that there were several recorded famines in Rhodesia and that it was, by no means, immune to periodic internal food shortages?

[Anonymous No.16216129]

>>16216101
Leftism just means anticapitalism, dumbfuck.

[Anonymous No.16216131]

>>16216123
They never reached the point where they were begging the surrounding Africans to come and save their farms.

[Anonymous No.16216145]

>>16216123
you will notice that Zimbabwe is not referred to as a breadbasket, is a net importer, and is basically a shithole.

[Anonymous No.16216151]

>>16216123

[Anonymous No.16216152]

>>16216129
Leftism is gay capitalism. Real anticapitalists are third positionists who know lgbtsjwtfnpcblmantifaetc are the last barricade of the (((bourgeoisie)))

[Anonymous No.16216156]

>>16216129
According to marxists, who don't have a monopoly on the meaning of words.

[Anonymous No.16216157]

>>16216131
They also had heaps of foreign direct investment from their colonial backers. Turns out when you have the entire weight of the British economy helping you out (and when you aren't worried about supplying the domestic population except for wealthy whites), exporting resources is easy.

[Anonymous No.16216169]

>>16216079
Nigger people get more conservative as they age not more liberal.

[Anonymous No.16216170]

>>16216152
Nice parody. I almost thought you were serious.

[Anonymous No.16216171]

>>16216157
Turns out if your country is run by competent people then it prospers

[Anonymous No.16216172]

>>16216145
My point isn't that Rhodesia's economy wasn't better, my point is that the factors that lead to Zimbabwe becoming a shithole (drought, war, and lack of foreign demand) already existed before the revolution.
>>16216151
Conveniently cutting out the source lmao. And you have the audacity to call ME the liar.

[Anonymous No.16216175]

>>16215958
>the progs will never understand that people become right wing purely because they find them repulsive and insane

They're like spoiled children. And weak—mentally, physically, spiritually. I don't know why you would want to live that way.

[Anonymous No.16216179]

>>16216157
The British Empire boycotted Rhodesia, dumb dumb.

[Anonymous No.16216180]

>>16216156
No, according to actual leftists.

[Anonymous No.16216187]

>>16216171
If you view prosperity as purely income from exports, then sure, Rhodesia prospered.
Its majority black population certainly never felt the country's "prosperity" though, so how much did it really mean?

[Anonymous No.16216197]

>>16216187
>Prosperity means nothing unless you're giving all of your money to blacks

[Anonymous No.16216200]

>>16216180
Again where you define 'actual leftists' as being Marxists. You guys can continue to throw a tantrum about people using the word leftist differently than you forever though, have fun.

[Anonymous No.16216204]

>>16216169
not people who read lol.

It is almost an undeniable fact that people who are right leaning are not well read.

I didn't get the extent of that until I had gotten further along in my literature career. Just how it goes.

I'm not trying to be inflammatory. It is just something that becomes obvious as you read more.

[Anonymous No.16216208]

>>16215789
hows your mom doing?

[Anonymous No.16216214]

>>16216197
No, prosperity means nothing if the money isn't going to the majority of people who actually live there.

[Anonymous No.16216215]

>>16216204
Saying something four or five times in a row in different ways doesn't make it true.

[Anonymous No.16216217]

>muh left
>muh right
both are kuffar gibberish that need to be annihilated
/lit/ will be a muslim board insha'Allah

[Anonymous No.16216226]

>>16216200
Nope, nothing to do with Marx. Left vs Right is about the distribution of power. Social issues, or issues of culture and self-identification, are entirely irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.16216227]

>>16216215
i mean, it is true though.

[Anonymous No.16216236]

>the right-wing people are the reactionaries

[Anonymous No.16216238]

>>16216204
Source one peer-reviewed study backing up your rambling anecdote.

[Anonymous No.16216240]

>>16216226
Marxists are the people who redefined 'left wing' to be about capitalism instead of monarchy.

[Anonymous No.16216245]

>>16216236
Not all right wing people are reactionaries, but all reactionaries are right wing, yes.

[Anonymous No.16216246]

>>16216227
Saying it a 6th time still doesn't make it true.

[Anonymous No.16216249]

>>16216238

Why would I have a source for a personal anecdote you sperg

[Anonymous No.16216250]

>>16216067

I can be open with my opinions with all my loved ones and with most colleagues, without any abuse, baiting, derailing or general idiocy. The only place I couldn't speak freely was in uni and in my boss' office.

[Anonymous No.16216258]

>>16216249
So you're talking absolute shit. People get more conservative as they age this is a well recorded fact. Nobody decides at 50 they are a faggot who wants to cut their own dick off.

[Anonymous No.16216260]

>>16216240
Monarchy is not an actual threat in the West in 2020. It's only a thing in the minds of a few internet nerds. The global ruling class are capitalists.

[Anonymous No.16216266]

>>16216250
>I can be open with my opinions with all my loved ones and with most colleagues,
This is because you don't have real opinions, you just repeat what you're told to.

[Anonymous No.16216271]

>>16216258
Life-long porn addicts do

[Anonymous No.16216279]

>>16216260
I am pointing out to you the arbitrary nature of the word 'leftist'. If it can switch from being about monarchy to capitalism, it can switch from being about capitalism to the idpol stuff that dominates now. Marxists are no more of a threat than monarchists at this point either.

[Anonymous No.16216282]

>>16216258
"people" are not very well read.

I'm talking about people who read man. Not just all people.

[Anonymous No.16216286]

>>16216250
>Lefties can't speak freely at university
Unless you're talking about boycotting Israel, you absolutely can openly talk about left wing "ideas"

[Anonymous No.16216296]

>>16216279
Who cares? It's colloquial, everyone knows what you mean when you say "leftist".

>>16216282
That's because right wing people typically aren't interested in circlejerking about theory. The fact that you have to do excessive reading to arrive at your worldview would make you realise that your worldview is absurd if you weren't completely oversocialied.