/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16197259]

How do Europeans write better than rest of the world? Is it superior genes?

[Anonymous No.16197261]

Edumacation

[Anonymous No.16197273]

>>16197259
which europeans, smartass?

[Anonymous No.16197494]

>>16197259
you mispelled japanese

[Anonymous No.16197799]

>>16197259
I've never seen Dickens referred to as a 'European' before. We English don't tend to see ourselves in that light, and we use 'European' usually in the sense of meaning the continent, though I suspect it has a different meaning to you Americans. In the sense of being separated from the continent, Dickens is probably one of the least 'European' English writers possible. Most of his influences were English, and although he set some parts of his novels in foreign countries, they are generally heavily focused on London and English culture, and of course America with Martin Chuzzlewit. He also, unlike Eliot or Thackeray, never included any foreign words in his work, and was also one of the 19th century's notable advocates for linguistic purism. Basically, I think Dickens is quintessentially 'Anglo' and closer to American writers than he is to other European writers.

[Anonymous No.16197972]

>>16197494
Fucking weeb. Go commit sudoku with one of your fake samurai swords made from inferior, bar stock stainless steel.

[Anonymous No.16198002]

>>16197259
Literary tradition that is thousands of years old.

[Anonymous No.16198019]

>>16197259
Because you live in the west and the west industrialized first. LaAm started magical realism etc. There hasn't been any new genres from Europe in a minute. Just write everyday, don't worry about that crap.

[Anonymous No.16198058]

>>16198019
why did they industrialize first?

[Anonymous No.16198059]

>>16198019
What a profoundly stupid reply.

[Anonymous No.16198067]

>>16197799
As an Anglo, I agree. He's also surprisingly funny and I write a lot like him (though worse, obviously). It's like his style is the "style of the nation"

[Anonymous No.16198079]

>>16197259
Problematic post.

[Anonymous No.16198084]

>>16198079
I agree. OP is cancelled.

[Anonymous No.16198093]

>>16198058
Because they got iron from the hittites and agriculture from Mesopotamia. If they did not they would be hunting wolves still. I could lock a race in a box and they won't invent crap, it's not innate to any person. Truth doesn't come from individuals or even a group of individuals. You've been sold a political lie by liberals.

[Anonymous No.16198115]

>>16197259
Literature became a marketable product in the west before it did in other parts of the world, so it has a longer tradition in that regard. Also, we rarely see what is happening in literature outside of our own market so we are pretty biased to make universal judgement in that regard.

>>16198079
Gee, I hope this thread doesn't end up being a pol bait

[Anonymous No.16198211]

>>16198093
Wew lad, bit defensive there aren't ya? Already prepared with multilayered excuses. None of it answers why Europeans industrialized first though. Last I checked through the ol history books, many other cultures had access to iron and agriculture.

[Anonymous No.16198484]

>>16197259
Education, better traditions for literary art.

[Anonymous No.16198501]

>>16197494
Chinese >> Sanskrit > Japanese

[Anonymous No.16198617]

>>16197259
Convenient location. No matter who was in Europe, they would've dominated

[Anonymous No.16198662]

>>16198617

[Anonymous No.16198683]

>>16198211
oh my fucking sides lmao did they plan that or that dude really burned his dick off like that has to be fake still funny af

[Anonymous No.16198751]

>>16198662
what does this mean

[Anonymous No.16198796]

>>16198211
It's not defensive, you're projecting. The answer to Europeans industrializing first is like the answer to which scientist discovered gravity. The most it can reveal is a correlate. If you're interested in proving gravity or going past it (focusing on the individual as a foundation of truth doesn't allow it to go past the individual) then you ignore the person or people. If you're interested in the service industry evolution or what may come past it you need to focus on the ideas and those ideas can come from any culture.
You get stuck if your basis of truth is so derivative. Assuming you're a nationalist, you can wonder why Europeans went head-deep into the service industry and liberalism while China stayed out of it. Assuming you see that as a dead end you have a contradictive narrative which is just a headache. Humans don't predicate progress, reality does.

[Anonymous No.16198814]

Nobody said it? Better writing system + obviously high IQ, etc.

[Anonymous No.16198815]

>>16198796
There is no reason to ignore the biological component

[Anonymous No.16198856]

>>16198796
That's was a lot of deflection anon, and certainly gravity is very interesting stuff. I'm still waiting for an answer to why Europeans industrialized first though.

[Anonymous No.16198905]

>>16198815
Oh, one of those guys. What is that biological component you are talking about, anon-kun?

[Anonymous No.16198915]

>>16198905
differences in average intelligence and other behavioral traits obviously

[Anonymous No.16198961]

>>16198019
There are no new genres. Everything is experimental garbage or window dressing.

[Anonymous No.16198965]

More developed writing system probably

[Anonymous No.16199092]

If it was the genes you would have written something by now. I'm guessing you are E*ropean and looking for a way to boost your ego.

[Anonymous No.16199291]

>>16199092
>capping your own post

[Anonymous No.16199329]

>>16199291
I'm sorry that you think that anon, I don't cap my posts. I cap the ones I like, otherwise I would have made my quotes into cringe inspirational images.

[Anonymous No.16199450]

>>16199329
>the most generic anti-traditional argument in all of history just happened to be "what I like and wanted to cap"
Anon no one is going to believe that...

[Anonymous No.16199579]

>>16199450
I have no way of proving it to you, therefore you will have to take my word for it.

[Anonymous No.16199606]

>>16197799
>19th century's notable advocates for linguistic purism
Why was his prose style so ugly? It's like night and day compared to Thackeray.

[Anonymous No.16199624]

>>16197799
Washington Irving was a big influence, second only to Carlyle
Just reread Mutual Friend- for all the odd goings-on, rise in cynicism combined with the over exploited fairy tale motifs nonetheless my favorite Dickens. Riderhood's revival is a scenic highwater mark.

[Anonymous No.16199629]

>>16197259
they focused more on the cultural tech tree

[Anonymous No.16199714]

>>16199579
>take my word
No, I can just assume you are a liar because that is where the evidence points to being more likely.

[Anonymous No.16200957]

>>16198079
Funny

[Anonymous No.16200978]

>>16198856
Oh sure, I thought you were intelligent. Because England had more coal and the absence of slaves necessitated something more industrious. The industrial revolution in England was very backward and due to more land, America's factories got its only compliment from Dickens. I can try and break that down for you but I'm not sure you're capable of a conversation.

[Anonymous No.16200981]

>>16197259
I always figured that because that because they were the Chinese of the past, the most spread out and highest population, that they exclusively preferred works from their own people and didn't really bother with the works of others. Thus creating a positive feedback loop that made them praise their own works with higher esteem than the works of other cultures and races.

[Anonymous No.16200991]

>>16198814
>>16198915
Your iq may be a whole big 15 points higher than your uncle's but cosmologically that is very tiny. It was a set of circumstances that led to its development and your western education probably only sees y he development of the west with as much sprinkles of "oh that was almost quantum physics" as could be spared on your culture but all cultures do this.

[Anonymous No.16200997]

>>16200978
So because they had coal and less labor force, the English industrialized? Wow. Can I have that breakdown?

[Anonymous No.16201162]

Taleb writes better than europeans.

[Anonymous No.16201578]

The English and the French are the only people who have had consistently good output since the fall of Rome. Italy and Spain peaked early whereas other European countries were late bloomers.

[Anonymous No.16201626]

>>16201578
Since 1453?
I'll buy that