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Is this the best translation?

>> No.16188564
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16188564

not pope, so nope

>> No.16188576

>>16188541
It's pretty good.

>> No.16189074
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16189074

Is this the first commie agitator?

>> No.16189115

>>16188564
My nigga

>> No.16189137

>>16188564
Pope uses beautiful language but the rhyming scheme is so boring, it's like the Beastie boys, just shout the end of every LINE

>> No.16189150

>>16188564
Pope is probably THE translation farthest from the original, in all ways

>> No.16189157

>>16189137
Achilles' wrath, to Greece the direful SPRING!
Of woes unnumber'd, heavenly goddess, SING!
That wrath which hurl'd to Pluto's gloomy REIGN!
The souls of mighty chiefs untimely SLAIN
I like my sugar with coffee and CREAM

https://youtu.be/ln-Jq6X6p-g

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>>16189157
>>16189137

>> No.16189234

The second verse gave me cancer
>>16189074
Thersites was based

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16189250

Why does it keep repeating that they were long-haired?
>>16189234
>Thersites was based
He was an coward agitator faggot who shouldn't have embarked to begin with

>> No.16189310

>>16189250
>No dude, you must stand aside and be obedient as the army is being consumed by plague and disaster because of a dispute over slave girls

>> No.16189350

>>16189310
Yes, you should fulfill your duties to your country or fuck off somewhere else

>> No.16189362

>>16189350
>your country is always right
2 dirty stinking boots on your way

>> No.16189383

>>16189362
Commies are disgusting

>> No.16189392

>>16189383
bootlickers even more disgusting

>> No.16189397

>>16188541
Fuck no.

>> No.16189399

>>16189350
I'm pretty sure that duty falls first and foremost with the leaders of expedition, more specifically Agamemnon here

>> No.16189401

>>16189137
>>16189157
Lmaooo

>> No.16189408

>>16189250
>why does it keep repeating
Did they not explain that in the intro? Because it stems from an oral tradition. These formulaic phrases, long-haired achaeans, stallion-breaking trojans, bronze-clad argives, Zeus whose shield is storm and thunder, white-armed Hera, etcetc, are all supposedly cognitive techniques that bridge the gap between meaning of story and rythm and cadence, as well as giving the poet more time to think of what to say next. A kind of stalling for time if you will

>> No.16189415

>>16189408
or they just had a hard on for long haired boys lol

>> No.16189419

>>16189415
That too

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>>16189137
>>16189157
Nice

>> No.16189425

>>16189399
And he promised he'll avenge Menelaus which is what he's doing where I'm at right now. He did wrong Achilles out of pride but he's being punished for it. But it's not the duty of a random commoner to try to stop the ship if he signed up for it. If he wants to change the country, he should do according to the laws of the country not by sperging out on the ship and trying to stir trouble among the others

>> No.16189432

>>16189408
Thanks I get that but was long-haired meant to symbol anything or just filler adjective?

>> No.16189469

>>16189432
I'm not sure and I guess it depends on the adjective. I believe having seen 'stallion-breaking' used for both trojans and achaeans, but much more for trojans. Same with bronze-clad and long-haired for the achaeans. Some of those are exclusive, especially the ones describing gods, but I'm not sure.

>> No.16189477

Also Hegel's quote on Theristes was incredibly based

> The Thersites of Homer who abuses the kings is a standing figure for all times. He does not get in every age . . . the blows that he gets in Homer. But his envy, his egotism, is the thorn which he has to carry in his flesh. And the undying worm that gnaws him is the tormenting consideration that his excellent views and vituperations remain absolutely without result in the world. But our satisfaction at the fate of Thersitism may also have its sinister side.

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>>16189157

>> No.16190305

Can someone explain Homer's reasoning behind orchestrating intricate Gods backdrops? E.g. in Book 4 why doesn't Athena simply make Trojans break their word and instead it is Zeus who mocks Hera and Hera convinces Zeus to let her destroy Troy and then Zeus tells Athena to make Trojans break their word. There was enough reasons for Athena to do it herself but why does Homer add this kind of intricate action?

>> No.16191890

bjmp