/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16153781]

>blockchain solves spacetime
how can you make such statement publically then show face as if still reputable philosopher?
i piss myself with laughter when hearing him said this.

[Anonymous No.16154078]

>>16153781
literally who

[Anonymous No.16154125]

>>16153781
He's right though.

[Anonymous No.16154200]

>>16154078
without comment
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2PMGuNZreWA

[Anonymous No.16154211]

>>16153781
Actually he's right about that

[Anonymous No.16154918]

Imagine having your entire life's work btfo in two paragraphs.

>The mark of the financial crisis is of this same law of laws. Here even currency exhausts itself, instantly debased and then reevaluated to a law without grounding. The currency which loses all value must be replaced by many currencies. The economy, what little is left of it, effectively escapes and is replaced by what is nothing more than a phantasiespiel of financial representation - the speculative value of speculative value, and the aestheticization of theory. The end of values is the death of even the symbolic.

>This is where cryptocurrency appears and also essentially what it is, the law of non-laws, a non-currency that must use the image of gold to even be considered as potential currency. In reality it has no use other than a final exhaustion of technical systems, it is the lowest of all possible value elevated into a value - which accounts for it being the most wasteful practise in history. An incredible sacrifice of quickly depleting resources must be exhausted simply to maintain the belief in currency. It is the final burst of economic theory before a great shift of eras and founding of new laws. It is effectively the decaying dust of the Twin Towers. The betrayal of law is written into the very name: a currency which holds an unknown loyalty to other laws. Total wealth of dead value.

[Anonymous No.16154959]

>a kantian system becomes a kantian system
>the kantian system is everything
There. That's Nick Land's entire philosophy.

[Anonymous No.16154963]

>>16154918
Pretty good.

[Anonymous No.16155070]

>>16153781
All that bitcoin and still no facelift?

[Anonymous No.16155690]

>>16154125
Bitcoin is a joke. And so is Land.

[Anonymous No.16155706]

>>16154918
Lmao, stay poor

[Anonymous No.16155718]

>>16155690
Maybe (I prefer Monero myself), but he's still right about the space time thing.

[Anonymous No.16155727]

>>16155718
lol it has nothing to do with space or time.

[Anonymous No.16155738]

Land is smarter than any pseud in this thread.

[Anonymous No.16155742]

>>16155738
hi nick.

[Anonymous No.16155743]

>>16155727
Bitcoin has to reliably record the order of transactions on the ledgers distributed in space despite relativity.

[Anonymous No.16155753]

>>16155743
cringe

[Anonymous No.16155774]

>>16155738
The postplagiarist-yet-neopleb

[Anonymous No.16155783]

>>16155753
Uh oh! I got called cringe on the universal media net web. I don't think I'll ever recover.

[Anonymous No.16155832]

>>16155783
>twitterfag
>accfag
>animefag]
>tranny
every time.

[Anonymous No.16156711]

>>16155706
Yes.

[Anonymous No.16156728]

is he ever gonna finish crypto current? what even happened with that

[Anonymous No.16156747]

>>16154918
who wrote this?

[Anonymous No.16156759]

>>16153781
jfc I got banned just for replying to this post a few weeks ago, and all of a sudden mods remember Land writes books?
tf is wrong with this shit board? I hope you all fucking die, I know none of you read anyway

[Anonymous No.16156924]

>>16154918
source?

[Anonymous No.16156940]

>>16156728
seconding this. his blog also seems to have vanished.

[Anonymous No.16157173]

Nick Land shows how bad is the usual mental ramblings of the plebs which should never have been created if the peasants were not lead to believe they have the faculty of reason

this is why humanism is a problem. the dimwits start to think, and worse they start to think they are smart.and when they reach a high number, the result is millions of people babbling about drug fueled and sex driven faux introspection

[Anonymous No.16157357]

>>16155738
And if he were not delusional to the point of schizophrenia, that might have been useful for him.

[Anonymous No.16157838]

>>16157173
kek

[Anonymous No.16157886]

>>16154918
>>16155706
Cryptocurrencies are literally just scams wrapped up in rambling ancap fantasy marketing, occasionally branching into other ideologies such as FOSS. Bitcoin the biggest and most elaborate.

>>16155743
Are you braindead? Serious question.

[Anonymous No.16157934]

>>16153781
I wonder if people said stupid shit like that about new technology historically.
>Wow Edward, the trebuchet finally solve the question of determinism contra free will

[Anonymous No.16157963]

>>16154918
who wrote this?
"the speculative value of speculative value" is a shrewd insight

[Anonymous No.16158009]

>>16157963
What the fuck did you just say?

[Anonymous No.16158031]

>>16156747
>>16157963
>>16156924
Cursory research tells me that anon did.

[Anonymous No.16158037]

>>16154200
Man he's more of a brainlet watching him on a video than I expected from his ideas.

[Anonymous No.16158050]

>>16154918
Based Fascist politics refutes the small-minded philosophy of this "Nick Land".

[Anonymous No.16158073]

>>16153781
who's that faggot? put name in filename i dont want to reverse google your shit. also most modern philosophers dont understand modern science/tech so the statement says little. zizek is a retard about science too and even if he tries to stay humble and avoid saying shit about it, the little he says is always dumb

[Anonymous No.16158095]

>>16158031
>>16156747
It's a schizo post.
>>/lit/thread/S16118334#

[Anonymous No.16158108]

>>16153781
What "problem of spacetime" is he referring to?

[Anonymous No.16158154]

>>16158108
Time dilation outpacing HRT supply.

[Anonymous No.16158178]

>>16158095
That's my thread. A lot of my writing is schizo, and just glancing at it there are some errors. But I think it's worth it for the bit on the financial collapse at least.
From my old notes, I think the image of the MONIAC may be the simplest understanding of our situation.

"If one pictures the market as a MONIAC machine then what is occurring is a major leak from all seams, util the pressure forces the front panel off entirely. The entirety of economic industry is now attempting to reinstall the panel while still dumping buckets of water into the machine. Of course, in the digital world this can work without any problems.

The other side of this, the kantian limit, is that of bitcoin: a false digital reality coming into being. Bitcoin has no connection to reality, it is simply negative money velocity developed into a currency. This devalorisation process occurring in the digital realm can only have equal force within an industry that produces absolutely nothing. And this is precisely what is happening, technically the same as the vast network of servers, yet they are a complete void of data and information. The only value resides in pure elimination of energy - the most wasteful invention in history. Hyperreality is devalorising.

Bitcoin reflects the other financial industries which were propped up by intelligence agencies around the same time as the 2008 market crash. Yet it has even less activity, there is hardly any volume, meaning that in the best case scenario bitcoin exists as a release valve for market manipulation. Companies like facebook and twitter are valued in the hundreds of billions of dollars. Shitshows like Tesla are valued as if we'd already settled Mars and discovered infinite stores of gold. Of course, their real value is only in communication and feeding data to the intelligence agencies. There is a total disconnect between market reality and its economic functioning. The only real economy remaining is that of government industries - especially the military and medicine."

[Anonymous No.16158230]

>>16158178
>technically the same as the vast network of servers
Here I mean the data harvesting and surveillance networks.

[Anonymous No.16158236]

>>16154918
why post countries with no financial infrastructure and then imply crypto currency is not a currency. the most popular demand in non exchange use as i see it is cross border payments. without use of exchange then only it is used as a store of value and if the belief that everyone else believes it will be recognized as a store of value then it is self-fulfilling. best put cryptocurrency is not relevant to fucking anybodies mom like the op pic but it has some of its unrealized potential gains and use-cases still unsure of but blockchain has already been implemented

[Anonymous No.16158247]

>>16153781
>do catastrophic amounts speed for 20+ years
>brain has physiologically melted to the point of only being capable of twitter-thought
>everything is an impotent hot-take
>have this happen at the exact moment of history where twitter-brain is the most common ailment of the young and become comparatively popular among the twatterati despite being a retard with bona fide brain damage
Timely """meditations""", lmao.

[Anonymous No.16158563]

>>16158236
That's not the point. This cannot be understood from the point of view of the money itself. Any system can be proven mathematically, but this proof does not necessarily have any value in the world. One need only look at the decline from higher laws to understand this, to what law did medieval kings tie their currency? Essentially, the currency should be seen as a mirror of the law of wealth, it is not wealth in itself but it does act as a rite of exchange. The old kings obviously tied their currency to the divine order, the laws of their religion. One may say that it was the other pole to the church being the center of the town.

With cameralism there is a shift towards the new laws of technical rationalism, the state order of European law, as well as the loss of these laws necessitated by the New World. What is the current law? The law of money is money, a theory of digging holes in the ground, filling them with money, then digging it back up again. This is our understanding of wealth and the results of this are beginning to show up everywhere: bug architecture, food that is devoid of nutrition, cuck sheds, endless plastic shit that has no real value. This same law allows for the justification of mass migrant purchase as if greater distribution of and access to money increases wealth. But the migrant crisis is really a matter of law and political decision - which suggests not only the great divide of the market from the economy, but also the economy from politics.

The problem is that of technical neutralisation. Where technology is the great law of the modern world so its currency must be a reflection of technology. This is quite the opposite theory of either the marxist or liberal economists, who, each in their own way, must deny the mirror qualities of the currency. For the leveling process to proceed one must essentially put blinders on, fight a defensive war against all of the highest values and greater laws. This accounts for the contradictory nature of economics and law, its technical administration, as well as the mass confusion that the effects which are revealed in economic terms must also have an economic cause. This is a great trick formed of the destructive essence of modern technology, it can only act in one direction, while having great power it also makes itself obsolete. And the economic theory, which is only technical rationalism applied to blind wealth, cannot hold sovereignty over the very law of which it is a part. "One can not write against that which proscribes." This was the great mistake of Marx's theory of the machines, the subsumption of technical power to economic theory, the bourgeois revolutionary who demands total impoverishment. But this is the law of all economic theory, it is self-referential, a system which proves only itself.

[Anonymous No.16158564]

>>16158563
2
From the perspective of law and technology all difference between the liberal and marxist disappears, they simply deploy varying technical measures to limit the consequences of total impoverishment.

This is the real law of value, the wealth which becomes a mirror in the coin, destructive technology becomes the means of trade, its very measure. Much like modern art it follows a clear line from intricate complexity to a void of extraction, and this is because it is reactive in nature - economy is of the technical law, it is not its cause. This becomes clear when we sense that with the increase of exchange our sense of value is lost, with every advancement there is also an increase of the impoverished condition. This is what Junger refers to as the wealth of being as opposed to the wealth of having, in the ancient sense that even a slave can retain the wealth of being - in the technical condition this exchange is only deepened, held wealth is exchanged for mere representation. And this is due to the great forces required for technical expansion, it needs all possible energy in order to increase its destructive force, the leveling of all the old laws which even begins to destroy the aesthetics, the images, and representations. Our currency has been pounded out from the electrum coin into the finest wire which only has a value as a means of transition, of increasing the technical capacity. We receive the absolute minimum of wealth as a sacrifice to the technical order.

And yet, despite all this formlessness, the law remains the same as that of Plato's time: blind wealth has no connection to the greater laws, it is merely an effect brought forth from their being held. In the coin with Minerva's owl, the law that wealth is a return to wisdom, it takes flight from our being; in the cryptocoin, total abandonment of wealth for the speculative system of technical progress which has lost sight of all greater laws.

[Anonymous No.16158760]

Gnon bless Land

[Anonymous No.16158776]

The fourth industrial revolution and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race

[Anonymous No.16158815]

>>16154918
I bitcoin solves spacetime why haven't the hodlers refuted this?

[Anonymous No.16158880]

>>16158178
>Shitshows like Tesla are valued as if we'd already settled Mars and discovered infinite stores of gold.
To add context to this, when this was written tesla was something like $500 or less, now it's nearly 2000.

[Anonymous No.16159555]

B-bros...

[Anonymous No.16159655]

>>16159555
cringe

[Anonymous No.16159676]

>>16158776

based

[Anonymous No.16159857]

>>16153781
>bitcoin solves spacetime

[Anonymous No.16159927]

>>16159857
>>bitcoin solves spacetime

[Anonymous No.16159947]

>>16159857
>>16159927
>>>bitcoin solves spacetime

[Anonymous No.16160242]

>>16158095
>Electrum is perhaps even more valuable than gold, a fasces quality in the metal representative of the state's inseparability from work and property.
Based

[Anonymous No.16160276]

>Bitcoin
Who cares?

[Anonymous No.16160546]

N A N O S P A S M

[Anonymous No.16160739]

>twitter solves spacetime
What drives these fags to say such obvious bullshit?

[Anonymous No.16160789]

>>16160276
I wanna off myself for not buying links early fuck me fuck fuck

[Anonymous No.16160857]

>>16160546
H Y P E R C R I N G E

[Anonymous No.16160874]

>>16160276
Linkies STAY stinky

[Anonymous No.16160920]

>>16160276
>>16160874
>currently dumping

[Anonymous No.16160945]

>>16160920
You are the pink wojak in pic related. Seething.

[Anonymous No.16160954]

/bizlit/ is an interesting crossover, more philosophically inclined than the typical self-help business book shit.

[Anonymous No.16160964]

>>16160945
i was just messing, sitting comfy with my stack, just regret not buying more

[Anonymous No.16160984]

>>16160954
NEET life to support intellectual development I guess

[Anonymous No.16161022]

>>16159927
>neospacetime mining corp ultrasovereign

[Anonymous No.16161062]

>>16158178
>Bitcoin reflects the other financial industries which were propped up by intelligence agencies around the same time as the 2008 market crash.
>Bitcoin: 3 January 2009
Hmmmm

[Anonymous No.16161167]

>>16154918
>cryptocurrencies have no value
>fortnite sells 300 million in a month
should have bought boomer.

[Anonymous No.16161276]

>>16155690
Thinking crypto is synonymous with bitcoin, lmfao. You bookworm faggots will always be left in the dust. Think you're so smart because you read a few hundred or thousand books? Nope. You don't know shit. The real world moves on rapidly without you, while you get your nose stuck reading illusory representations of the past. Your entire world is fucking fake, yet you have the audacity to think you know what the fuck you're talking about because you've read a few books. Just lol. So fucking pathetic, honestly. Well, it's good to know that you'll always be a broke loser and the only solace you'll find is in your books. Meanwhile, I'll read what I want, when I want, from the comfort of my coastal villa, or my penthouse suite in the city, using the money I made from crypto, which certainly wasn't through bitcoin lmao. You fucking retard. And after I'm done reading I'll do something else, unlike you, who exists only to fucking READ, READ, READ.

[Anonymous No.16161366]

>>16160954
because the goal of /biz/ is to make enough to avoid work, whereas self-help literature is avoid working harder and becoming an improoover

[Anonymous No.16162009]

>>16158095
glad /lit/ still has some good schizos

[Anonymous No.16162017]

>>16154918
>boomer fiat cope
lol

[Anonymous No.16162024]

>>16158815
Theres nothing to refute. It's the dying struggles of a long dead system.
>it's not real currency REEEEE!
Is not an argument. At all.

[Anonymous No.16162491]

>>16161276
Leave this board and never come back schizo tranny.

[Anonymous No.16162507]

never did cryptocurrency before, where do I start?

[Anonymous No.16162526]

>>16157173
dey blurred the tittiess but not the asshole?

[Anonymous No.16162638]

>>16161276
Cringe.

[Anonymous No.16162668]

>>16162024
>It's the dying struggles of a long dead system.
If only you knew...
Nice cope though, You didn't understand a word of it.

[Anonymous No.16162768]

>>16162017
https://youtu.be/M3vL_0XtiVY

[Anonymous No.16162947]

>>16162768
>>16162017
>at least i still have my bitcoins

[Anonymous No.16163036]

>>16162947
>little brother went to one of these heavily funded prep schools full of niggers
So I'm not crazy after all for thinking there's a correlation after all.

[Anonymous No.16163112]

>>16162947
Land's a fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.16163136]

>>16163112
>Tip
do Amerilels really tip people for tweets lmao

[Anonymous No.16163165]

I sold 40K stack of LINK at 0.35$ ama

[Anonymous No.16163186]

>>16153781
Cryptocurrency is literally impossible if we aren't contained within Earth, time and energy means that you could devalue entire coins almost instantly given your positioning within the galaxy. You can simply harness too much energy for it to be viable on an equal degree throughout the Universe. Either crypto binds us to Earth or it has NO economic continuity.

[Anonymous No.16163199]

>>16154918
that is fucking amazing, source?

[Anonymous No.16163201]

>>16161276
Are you ok Nick?

[Anonymous No.16163208]

>>16154918
>the speculative value of speculative value, and the aestheticization of theory. The end of values is the death of even the symbolic.
>>This is where cryptocurrency appears and also essentially what it is, the law of non-laws,

[Anonymous No.16163228]

>>16154918
drug-addled schizo reads 20 pages of Baudrillard and thinks he's a genius. how are you any different from Land, again?

[Anonymous No.16163242]

>>16158564
>>16158563
10/10 post thank you for this, can you suggest any reading materials or behavioral methodologies that you find significant?

[Anonymous No.16163280]

So my understanding is that he thinks blockchain's synchronization system somehow post-spacetime or not affected by relativity (not sure how that's the case), and therefore Einstein hasn't truly disrupted the Kantian theory of time.
Seems like he slipped up a bit on that one imo but I'm not an expert in blockchain, Kant or Einstein.

[Anonymous No.16163329]

>>16163228
Where does Baudrillard discuss this?

[Anonymous No.16163411]

>>16153781
>/lit/
>publically

[Anonymous No.16163455]

>>16160276
>who cares
You do. Shitcoiner know your place

[Anonymous No.16163493]

>>16161276
based beyond belief. /Lit/ cant handle the chad energy. GET REKT FAGGOTS

[Anonymous No.16163725]

>>16163493
How's that chad? He's 70 iq.

[Anonymous No.16163779]

>>16157886
Doesn't mean you can't make money off of it kek. Stay poor big brain.

[Anonymous No.16164037]

>>16163228
Exactly the opposite.
What Baudrillard didn't see was how 'hyperreality' is really the law of being in the modern era. It is our reality, the worst that can possibly be said about it in terms of irreality is that it acts as the bourgeois reaction to the nomos - which is essentially one of the modern laws of being (simple life, a peasant aristocracy). His own thought is a historicised reaction to the same events that he claimed others did not see

This becomes clear in his discussions of the Iraq War and 9/11. He is correct in saying that the Gulf War was an atrocity, but there was simply no ground for it to be seen as such. Everyone watched the explosions happen, and rather than the tv being some filter of reality it may be understood as a surveillance device. One stays in permanent contact with news and information precisely because it is the technical law of communication, how we know that things are progressing as they should. Those who watched the events of the Gulf War knew exactly what was happening, but the events were simply in keeping with their interests. The extent of the destruction was also nothing compared with precious wars, and even the day to day progress of the technical state. As Junger said, one could line up all of the ordinance of the First World War, strike instantly on a single target, and the destruction would be far less than what occurs at the level of metaphysical destruction. The same could be said nuclear warfare today, the results of the West are perhaps worse than if a nuclear war had taken place. What is low scale warfare in relation to this? Nothing, one of the paradoxes of our time is the extent to which it is immaterial forces that destroy everything we know, hence the difficulty of finding answers or even seeing what is really happening.

In relation to 9/11, Baudrillard saw what was little more than a representative event, But this is itself a technical way of seeing, a theory of effects which can never escape into meaning or a sense of what really happened. Causality is itself another means of correlation. What really occurred with 9/11 was an end of the modern era, or at least the beginning of the end. After the opposite pole of Russia fell it was necessary for America to become the absolute center of the world, or die trying. And through this law we see with near certainty that they brought down the towers themselves. But in the realm of law it does not really matter if it was a conspiracy, and act of representative treason, or if it really was an act of terrorists. What is significant is that the center of wealth was turned to ruins and that the war of the Western Nomos returned to Europe and the borders of the Middle East. There was no longer the force of democratisation at the center of law, as represented in the borders of Russia and America, instead what Tocqueville identified as the final conflict of modernity ends and the center of law returns to the very center of the world.

[Anonymous No.16164048]

>>16164037
2
All events since that time, perhaps even before, must be understood as the resolution of this conflict. This explains the complete neutralisation of economic forces and their takeover by the technical, even to the extent that the military runs almost all of the major companies involved.

Materialism is an irresolvable problem, it is essentially Plato's law of blind wealth, which can never have an effect of greater laws. It is of them - the whole of economics can be understood through western law, but hardly anything can be said of law through the theories of economy.

[Anonymous No.16164063]

>>16163455
You had three years anon

[Anonymous No.16164118]

>>16153781
>he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.16164142]

>>16164048
One could also say here that the thinking of Baudrillard, and basically any of the postmodernists, is simply a kantian thinking. The means of thinking must become more extreme, equal in force to the sense of becoming trapped and the failure of all previous theories to even explain this situation. The fantastical grows as the critique of critique until one has built a second world of total inescape, but one which is seen as positive. Marxism ends in bourgeois technicalism, the same liberal utopianism which can be found at the beginning of the modern period - or what at first appears in the marxist framework to be dystopian.

[Anonymous No.16164345]

>>16163242
Basically I'm trying to write a more clear an essay on the problem. My previous attempts were a bit too schizo, although they acted as very useful methods of revealing the depths of the economic problem. My thinking began as a reaction to all these marxist theories which seem to turn capital into a god figure, one which simultaneously appears as an enemy for them but also a figure of absolution. Opposite to this is the right-wing discussion of technology, which, as we see in Heidegger, seems almost afraid to even discuss the idea of capital. At another level, the experience of the financial crisis and what appeared to be increasing socialization of the west. Essentially the question became, 'what is wealth and how has it become completely disconnected from economic thought?'

My background is mostly in the myths and Plato's writings. The other thread began with a discussion of Plato's hierarchy of laws. Tocqueville was also important, and he is someone that I'm returning to because I was quite young when I read him. Schmitt is necessary to understand law, and I think works really well alongside Plato's laws. More recently, Junger whose The Worker acts as the only escape from marxist thought, one which is not limited to mere critique. Most people seem to have a hard time understanding that book though. His brother's work The Perfection of Technology is the best thinking on technology there is, and forms a very cutting question in his distinction between the wealth of being and the wealth of having. This goes back to ancient thought, as in Epictitus who said "Wealth consists not in having great possessions, but in having few wants." But I saw the other day that Junger's work isn't available right now.

If you cannot find that then Platonov's "The First Socialist Tragedy" is a good essay on socialist failure in relation to technology.
The myths of Pluton and Hermes, and Fate in the Carmina Burana were some of the most important for me and how I originally came to a position similar to Junger's. In "The Dialogue of Water and Wine" you can see a relation to objects that is completely opposite to that of postmodernism.

As for "behavioral methodologies", I'm not exactly sure what you mean. If you mean how we form a new way of thinking and begin to act towards this way of wealth then I think Roman law is perhaps the most revealing, from my notes:
>The Roman Triumphal Arches are also gates of hell, the coffered vaults as eyes of the plunder watching over the triumphal procession, and all who follow it.
The old curses have to be written into the coin again, but much like the law of violence rather than the moral law of something like distributism. We have to see wealth in another way, as a law of being and that which is inherited from greater laws rather than a law in itself.

[Anonymous No.16164386]

>>16164345
perhaps draw a flowchart and then describe the flowchart

great stuff bro

[Anonymous No.16164395]

>>16164345
it's still schizo

[Anonymous No.16164397]

>>16164345
thanks for the suggestions

[Anonymous No.16164441]

>>16164037
>What Baudrillard didn't see was how 'hyperreality' is really the law of being in the modern era.
real genius interpretation. That is exactly what baudrillard saw as the law of being in the modern era. Disregarded from the second sentence.

[Anonymous No.16164520]

>>16164345
I suppose one could also adapt Nietzsche's formula of the criminal and strong man. Criminal wealth is a type of wealth under unfavourable conditions, a wealth made sick.

“Danger in riches. — Only he who has spirit ought to have possessions: otherwise possessions are a public danger. For the possessor who does not know how to make use of the free time which his possessions could purchase him will always continue to strive after possessions: this striving will constitute his entertainment, his strategy in his war against boredom. Thus in the end the moderate possessions that would suffice the man of spirit are transformed into actual riches – riches which are in fact the glittering product of spiritual dependence and poverty."

'The greatest poverty is the loss of time.' And it is in this that we see the destruction of even the wealthiest of our era. The problem is the exact opposite of that of acceleration, one only senses an incredible loss through his impoverishment - the real law of our era has endured throughout and without exception. The sense of being has not changed, and will not change no matter how close we come to a final catastrophe. This is our law. All of our efforts, despite the appearance of change, exist in a neutral territory in which the end of the world is rationalised in every moment, the law which "brings forth the cosmic event out of itself." This is also Nietzsche's eternal return, and where acceleration appears it is only in the sense of a great impossibility before such a fate. This law endures from the very beginning of the modern period, and cannot end until after its completion. It is this central, yet neutral, territory which sets our era against the Katechon and Eschaton. The sense of acceleration is only an opposition to fate, the felt necessity to keep this transitional era as an eternal return against eternal law.

This is the source of the great theft which rests within the heart of the real economic laws of our time. Even those who hold the greatest coffers of material wealth turn to criminality, the great theft of time. This is where they seek nothing more than to plunder, simultaneously, the laws of the old world and the future. In a sense, then, 'cryptocurrency is the solution to the problem of spacetime', but only within the false laws of time proscribed by modernity - a meaning completely opposite to how the phrase was intended. Time is reduced to the nomos of the absolutely ephemeral, all wealth and classes reduced to "gilded vulgarity and histrionic self-inflation." The cryptocoin, against the Owl of Athena, heralds the law of wealth of something less than the Last Man.

https://youtu.be/4T8ile1uq-U

[Anonymous No.16164529]

>>16164441
Learn to read. The single quotation might mean something.

[Anonymous No.16164550]

>>16164441
>>16164529
And in any case, even if there is some crossover this explains why something like hyperreality exists in the first place.
Rather than creating the world in his own image, Baudrillard is himself created of his theory. He has no idea of how to escape because his thinking is of the same technical type. At best he can return to the first order of technical associations, hence his misreadings of war and terror.
The entire point is to return to the depths of thinking, to the greater laws rather than associations.

[Anonymous No.16164584]

>>16164395
Schizoposts are the socratic dialogues of our time.
You cannot escape being a clown in clown world, you can only elevate it to a higher type.

[Anonymous No.16164649]

>>16164386
Yes, that is a good method. But at the same time I think the 'schizo' method is a great metod to come to these insights. And the aphoristic and journal style is perhaps closer to the poetic and the dialogues of the ancient world.
Part of the problem today is also how ideas are presented, the technical analysis which takes on the tone of an instruction manual. The very intention may be lost through the medium of style. This is something quite difficult to balance, and what you see with postmodernism is a mechanistic application of the appearance of depth. A simple adaptation of technical thinking which only toughens itself.

[Anonymous No.16164665]

>>16164395
If Landfags are calling something schizo then it must be good.

[Anonymous No.16164720]

>>16164550
>>16164441
Or another example. In the various collisions between Russia and America the last decade. One may see a conflict of reality and the 'hyperreal' in the buildup and incursion of troops set against comments that 'there is no buildup of troops, we are just performing exercises, defending our own borders'. But there is not actually a conflict here, the hyperreal is just Orwell's cliche of "War is Peace...", doublethink turned into an even worse theory.
What is really happening is a state of permanent low-scale warfare set within the European law of peace. There is no conflict in the minds of military strategists, the statements where they are propaganda only exist as a reminder of this law of territorial movement through defensive positioning. The division between reality and it representation only occurs in the minds of the critical theorists. This is because they have set themselves so against the laws of the age that they can no longer see them.
Or in other words, there is a hyperreality, a society of the spectacle, but only in the minds of people like Baudrillard. This is why his thinking exploded and then basically disappeared completely, it was only useful in its own false world.

[Anonymous No.16165113]

>>16164520
WTF

[Anonymous No.16165890]

>>16154918
based

[Anonymous No.16166626]

>>16158108
twitter posts

[Anonymous No.16167620]

>>16164063
You had twelve years.

[Anonymous No.16167996]

>>16153781
That's ironic because it's a nightmare on both space and time complexity.

[Anonymous No.16168018]

>>16153781
all continental philosophy is a scam.

[Anonymous No.16168191]

>>16154918
what happened to Crypto-Current poster? all those years studying crypto and you can't answer this.

[Anonymous No.16168234]

>>16168018
shut up anglo

[Anonymous No.16168751]

>>16168191
Land is right. there's nothing to argue.

[Anonymous No.16169042]

>>16168751
Oh yeah, there is no truth except bitcoin.

[Anonymous No.16169153]

>>16160920
>he thinks the people who bought at .10 cents cares about this mini dump

[Anonymous No.16169398]

>>16164520
>In a sense, then, 'cryptocurrency is the solution to the problem of spacetime', but only within the false laws of time proscribed by modernity - a meaning completely opposite to how the phrase was intended. Time is reduced to the nomos of the absolutely ephemeral, all wealth and classes reduced to "gilded vulgarity and histrionic self-inflation."
OH NO NO NO

[Anonymous No.16169409]

>>16169153
>i'm just going to hold to 0
ohhh stinkies

[Anonymous No.16169554]

>>16154918
but enough users can change the limit of bitcoin

>see ya

[Anonymous No.16169596]

>>16169554
>enough users
lol

[Anonymous No.16169704]

>>16154211
How?

[Anonymous No.16169770]

>>16154200
Holy fuck this is bad. Why does anyone listen to this retard?

[Anonymous No.16169803]

>>16154918
This doesn't take into account computronium.

[Anonymous No.16170177]

>>16154200
>making appointments and timezones are spacetime
What a fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.16170444]

>>16154078
fpbp

[Anonymous No.16170500]

>>16155743
you also have to cross the road "despite relativity"
however you do not "solve spacetime" by doing so

[Anonymous No.16170530]

>>16158563
>>16158564
what on earth
fuck off nick

[Anonymous No.16170585]

>>16170530
I don't think that's nick.

[Anonymous No.16170849]

>>16155743
>>16170500
what does this mean?

[Anonymous No.16170853]

>>16154918
>Communism is right round the corner bro!!! Crypto is the final dying gasp of capital!!

Never heard this one before

[Anonymous No.16170881]

>>16169704
Because what a blockchain is, at its core, is a collection of events with a total ordering.

Nick Land doesn't put it this way as far as I know, but a blockchain essentially creates it's own "time", which is space independent, unlike real time.

[Anonymous No.16171472]

>>16170853
How is an ancient understanding of economics communist?

[Anonymous No.16171725]

Okay, here's how this works, as far as I understand.

First of all, block chains are not a synonym for "e-money," okay? At least, not in an exclusionary way.

Strings of blocks primitively resemble a public distributed linked list where each block of information is irreversibly linked to a previous block in a timeline. Think of a ladder that may be missing steps or otherwise ceases to exist.

The phrase "the chain of blocks solves the problem of space and time" can be solved in the following way: time machines operate from the point in time and space where the machine exists and operates. You are looking at the chain of blocks not on the platform that exists today, but on the platforms where it can exist. To quote Harold Abelson in his introduction to LISP (and I'm paraphrasing a bit here)

>"people in the future will recognize that (computer science) was about formalizing intuitions and processes, how to do things, in the same way that geometry was born as the need to calculate the flooding of the Nile"

Of course in between we have a problem called "incompleteness of the initial question" that basically is what prevents a sentence of three words to be transmitted to all listeners with 100% fidelity but if we listen to the primitive gnostics and analytical philosophers this is not only technically embedded in reality and its perception but also bootstrapped the universe as we know it.

I don't know if human-machine merge is possible.

[Anonymous No.16171849]

>>16171725
autists aren't very intuitive. most can't even understand basic literature.

[Anonymous No.16172166]

>>16170881
what time is it in the blockchain?

[Anonymous No.16173051]

>>16170530
retard.

[Anonymous No.16173289]

>>16172166
On Bitcoin it is currently block 644,544

[Anonymous No.16173663]

>>16154200
pseud.

[Anonymous No.16173916]

>>16162947
Does spacetime look like this?

[Anonymous No.16175714]

>>16154211
Boom

[Anonymous No.16176963]

>>16173289
what time is that?

[Anonymous No.16177054]

>>16176963
58 blocks ago

[Anonymous No.16177493]

>>16164037
>Causality is itself another means of correlation.
wtf

[Anonymous No.16177552]

>>16154918
>This is where cryptocurrency appears and also essentially what it is, the law of non-laws, a non-currency that must use the image of gold to even be considered as potential currency. In reality it has no use other than a final exhaustion of technical systems, it is the lowest of all possible value elevated into a value - which accounts for it being the most wasteful practise in history
boomer can't even make an argument lmao. hey anon what's a hash? what's the difference between standard consensus mechanisms? how does ECC work?

[Anonymous No.16177749]

>>16177552
Mechanisms to perfect information within total currency velocity and devaluation. Perfect secrecy of the law of poverty. Prune pits in a field of human sludge.
Until you demonstrate that those objects have any value there can be no discussion. The point is not that cryptocoins don't work, nor even that they are without value. This may be understood in the Nietzschean sense, the value in crypto is neither good nor evil, but simply bad. It is the lowest value, a law of currency velocity which is simply vulgar, aimed at the death of machines while at the same time creating a condition in which the highest spirit could not elevate its use to value.
https://youtu.be/gNa9v8Z7Rac

[Anonymous No.16178095]

>While COVID-19 has accelerated the shift to electronic payments, there has, paradoxically, also been record demand for banknotes...

[Anonymous No.16178389]

>>16153781
This makes me feel bullish

[Anonymous No.16178662]

>>16177749
What are you saying, look since we moved from the dollar standard to fractual reserve banking money has become a simple medium of exchange. The central bank can inflate the supply.
Cryptocurrency is only one usecase of blockchain technology. It's simple supply and demand, bitcoin has a max supply and a slow inflation till it reaches that point. Computer nerds started mining and using it, demand increased, more people started using it more demand, price increased. Satoshi invented cryptoeconomics. The value is determined by the amount of people who are selling and who are buying, supply and demand.
But there also exist tether and USDC which are coins pegged to 1 dollar sitting in some bank. Then there also are projects like makerdao where the stable coin DAI is backed by crypto itself. Crypto has value because people want them, just as pokemon cards have value, so does crypto.

[Anonymous No.16178997]

>>16178662
cryptoeconomics was a slow push of various intrigues from a cypherpunk community that propped up somewhere in the 80's, since then it was only inevitable for bitcoin to be created then, the invention of bitcoin is kind of simple regardless and satoshi was one of them cypherpunk libertarianism individuals

[Anonymous No.16179034]

>>16178997
i think the most remarkable thing done by satoshi was creating a personality around bitcoin, which is the major things influential now to the investing world, extremely the most high end stocks possible today show how something as simple as a community like seen in apple and tesla are able to influence investor hype. and the remarkable thing was satoshi created the first forum for bitcoin, i think what separates this between any of the previous inventors is this obvious lack of charisma, its one thing to have intellectual inventions, another is to create a face of such a thing, and if it werent for satoshis influence and support from all previous rallies for his cypherpunks, and if noone ever helped mine bitcoin it might have never got where it was today. i think the trend is not in the price of bitcoin, but its moral

[Anonymous No.16179044]

>>16179034
the unfortunate thing however, is it has gone through its spits of drama, the bitcoin hub, and this shows in the forks, which a fork is a disagreement in open source code governance. but i believe there are many things still showing in support of bitcoin, but relevant to the drama, they neither have anything else they support much like they do with bitcoin

[Anonymous No.16179289]

>>16154200
>>16169770
because you pseuds have a thing for LARPing losers.

[Anonymous No.16179414]

I made $300 dollars in one hour just now riding the omisego bull run. What a rollercoaster.
All you humanities fags are retards, you don't understand the technology and the huge amount of speculators that fuel this get rich quick scheme.

Read the whitepapers, study computer science and math. This shit is the future, you can say it's ancap or libretarian or whatever. It isn't. It's technology. Even marxists could find use cases if they want a planned economy then they need a non costodial decentralized database, which the blockchain provides. Eventually this technology is gonna make amazon, google, etc obsolote.

[Anonymous No.16179453]

>>16178662
Read Plato.

[Anonymous No.16180482]

>>16179414
>every neet on 4chan is a millionaire when they get in an argument

[Anonymous No.16180521]

>>16180482
No, I haven't made it yet. But I turned 2k savings from wageslaving into 10k in around 1year.
Lost my job so now I'm focussing more on my portfolio.
Pic related is proof, the last column (total) shows for how much I bought and sold, as you can see around $300 in an hour

[Anonymous No.16180583]

>>16169770
Because he is a meme, nothing more to him

[Anonymous No.16180596]

>>16157886
>Cryptocurrencies are literally just scams
Oh shit, all my research chems just vaporized.

[Anonymous No.16180741]

>>16163112
industrializing manufacture of states would lead to balkanization which enhances dominance of statehoods, nationalism and increases bureaucracy.

[Anonymous No.16180768]

>>16180741
Is that what a state is? It is this 'industrial manufacture of states' that is already part of the migrant crisis.

[Anonymous No.16180791]

>>16179414
>>This shit is the future
>12 years
>still no use

[Anonymous No.16180993]

>>16180521
I don't want to be rude here, but you are bragging about speculating your way into poverty. This isn't aimed at you either, because it is simply a mark of the current law of wealth which turns even the most materially wealthy to impoverishment. Imagine being the most wealthy man on earth and having even less power than any random man on the street; getting cucked and losing 50 billion dollars to a whore. What is wealth in this case? There are many who sense this, a deep spiritual impoverishment, one which even has destroyed mundane pleasures and the possibility of hedonism. This is why one must ask, What is Wealth?

"Round us the town is at rest; the street, in pale lamplight, grows quiet
And, their torches ablaze, coaches rush through and away.
People go home to rest, replete with the day and its pleasures,
There to weigh up in their heads, pensive, the gain and the loss,
finding the balance good; stripped bare now of grapes and of flowers,
As of their hand-made goods, quiet the market stalls lie."

This is a perfect image of wealth. One must be at peace with time, the city must have its laws which pass along with the hours, and the market must be able to sleep. Otherwise it is a symptom of mere survival, of being on the verge of starvation. Where the market does not sleep there are only a few potential causes, for example: siege warfare, starvation, loss of law and order, or crisis. The market only rises to prominence in reaction to the increased force of greater laws - again, Plato's theory of economy rings true.

What happens when the market sleeps is a giving oneself over to time, to the night, as Holderlin suggests. It is also the law of contemplation, one begins to see the whole of the work projects, what the entire city inherits and what one has contributed to.

[Anonymous No.16181007]

>>16180993
2
And in the rough, worker romanticism of America:

"A great city is that which has the greatest men and women,
If it be a few ragged huts it is still the greatest city in the whole
world."

This was the American law of economy, of the broad axe which serves a dual purpose: one must sever the head of the king who only serves a right to exploit, just as one must choose carefully in the trees selected in the building of the house. Nobility is a value which transcends class, and must be seen as a mark, a currency within the soul, which the laws of a city uses to elevate the whole together.

This is perhaps easier understood in the state of nature. We are lost to that world, but the laws still stand. If one works more than four hours today one may presume difficult times ahead. Where the whole of life becomes nothing but work there has been a disaster. For the primitive tribes this was eating bark and bugs, and for the early settlers it was surviving on stores of grain but dying anyway - a nutritional death with the greatest stores at one's fingertips. The economy that is founded with the new world should be understood in this sense: a confrontation of the golden-souled and the iron-souled. And we have learned nothing from this lesson, our currency is this same base caloric stores but without nutritional value. What is happening is a great economic starvation, whether protein or Vitamin-C is no matter. The Euphoric quality of starvation precedes death even when full.

The Parable of the Workers in the Field as the greatest devaluation. Herr Mannelig as falling for the promise of wealth while being lured into the mountain by the beautiful troll. Platonov's Foundation Pit, a story which cannot be written in the west because of the total corruption of the imagination, and what we live daily.

https://youtu.be/Cy44ocuoWhE

[Anonymous No.16181020]

>>16181007
>just as one must choose carefully in the trees selected in the building of the house.
What I mean by this is the decision made in selecting a tree, what is to be felled must be straight but also in its felling does not deplete the forest.

[Anonymous No.16181029]

>>16180993
>>16181007
Cope.

[Anonymous No.16181061]

>>16181029
>>16180521
>acer monitor

[Anonymous No.16181382]

>>16180993
Based

[Anonymous No.16181660]

>>16180993
>you are bragging about speculating your way into poverty.
Owned.

[Anonymous No.16182255]

>>16178662
>supply and demand
cringe.

[Anonymous No.16182286]

>>16157173
Ive watched this webm atleast 50 times

[Anonymous No.16182335]

>>16181007
I agree with most of all you say but I find your philosophy too transcendental, we are way past the threshold and now there is no going back.
For modern man being a busy body although deteriorating for his mind,body and spirit has been a saving grace, imagine a world where you are free to do what you want, what do you think people would resort to ? They will resort to the same mindless consuming and pitiful being that they do now but in extreme excess. The only difference is that in our time people will wilfully exploit themselves and then to unwind will get back to their consuming state. We are always on the edge of becoming Nietzsche's Last man or you may say we are already halfway there, but give people total freedom and watch them begging for their enslavement.
This is why the so called state you want man to achieve is so hard to get and only wishful thinking especially in our current predicament..

[Anonymous No.16182336]

It must be very psychologically cathartic to call a man smarter than you an idiot. I can see why it's so popular.

[Anonymous No.16182477]

>>16177749
>This may be understood in the Nietzschean sense, the value in crypto is neither good nor evil, but simply bad
"bad" is 100% subjective lol have you even read Nietzsche? anon you think you are being clever but this is literally worse than Land. at least Land is being obscurantist about a topic he actually understands, you are just off the rails

[Anonymous No.16182602]

>>16164529
>>16164550
>>16164720
Learn to read? You are claiming to pass beyond a philosophy you have no knowledge of. Like this for instance:
>But there is not actually a conflict here, the hyperreal is just Orwell's cliche of "War is Peace..."
No, you are completely misunderstanding what hyperreality is. It has nothing to do with war being peace or whatever faggoty shit the brainlet Orwell was talking about. Here for instance:
>The division between reality and it representation only occurs in the minds of the critical theorists. This is because they have set themselves so against the laws of the age that they can no longer see them.
This is just embarrassing, since you think you are making some witty claim against armchair theorists when really you are just exposing yourself as a dumbass. First of all, they can see them, as I've already demonstrated. Secondly, there isn't even representation in hyperreality (except as a generated model), that is the whole point of the concept. "True" representation and "false" representation is produced from miniaturized cells, matrices, and
memory banks, models of control. In Baudrillard, representation is manufactured according to a code, a structure of differences. See:
>But what if God himself can be simulated, that is to say can be reduced to the signs that constitute faith? Then the whole system becomes weightless, it is no longer itself anything but a gigantic simulacrum - not unreal, but a simulacrum, that is to say never exchanged for the real, but exchanged for itself, in an uninterrupted circuit without reference or circumference. Such is simulation, insofar as it is opposed to representation. [...] Whereas representation attempts to absorb simulation by interpreting it as a false representation, simulation envelops the whole edifice of representation itself as a simulacrum.
It is precisely because Baudrillard realizes this that he can understand the laws of the age with complete finesse.
>hyperreality, a society of the spectacle
Again, a false comparison. The alienated condition analyzed by the society of the spectacle is itself a simulacrum. That is to say, it is hyperreal and banal, but the discourse has nothing to do with the concept of hyperreality.
>This is why his thinking exploded and then basically disappeared completely
When, exactly, did his thinking explode? Please point me to a critique that "exploded" it. His thinking "disappeared" aka fell out of style (which is probably what you are considering an "explosion") because it was no longer fashionable to hipster fucks in the 90's. They didn't realize that philosophy doesn't cycle every season like their fucking wardrobe.

[Anonymous No.16182658]

>>16182336
God forbid someone call somebody out on their bullshit... But no, they are not doing it because they think what they see is blatant bullshit masquerading as profound, they are doing it because they are "subconsciously coping over repressed trauma" blah blah blah blah blah.