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Books with protagonists like this?

>> No.16120707

>>16120696
any white guy's diary desu

>> No.16120709

>>16120696
This has to be a parody of *oomer memes.

>> No.16120714

How does this work out for you anon?

>> No.16120769

>>16120696
Incel Incel Incel Incel Incel Incel Incel Incel Incel Incel Incel Incel Incel Incel Incel Incel Incel Incel Incel Incel Incel

>> No.16120783

That's just the experience of being like... 23 years old or so

>> No.16120791

>>16120696
Sounds like standard autism, no?

>> No.16120822

>>16120783
H-How did you know I was 23 anon

>> No.16120830

>>16120783
cope

>> No.16120844

>>16120714
I'm a suicidal 24 year old virgin

>> No.16120845

>>16120696
OP's diary

>> No.16121334

>>16120696
Can’t relate to all of it but that one line about friends only keeping you around because you’re funny sometimes but not wanting to know or talk 1 on 1 cuts deep

>> No.16121347

>>16120696

>wears summer clothes in the winter, winter clothes in the summer

No one does this though

>> No.16121355

>>16121347
This.

>not wearing winter clothes all year

>> No.16121790

>>16120696
As I read on, I think I've met this guy a few times. I have a new concept to describe my immediate reality now. Thanks OP.

As far as I've seen, the Loomer is often paired with an unfortunate girlfriend who lost her virginity to him and now won't leave him (even though the relationship is patently unrewarding), whether because she feels bad for him, or has certain ideas about love, or low self esteem, or is afraid of being alone, or thinks its normal or all of the above.

>> No.16121811

>>16120696
Isn't this just Infinite Jest?

>> No.16121875

>>16121790
What if he's just a good guy under the autism

>> No.16121946

>>16120844
How the fuck this happened?

>> No.16121976

>>16121946
depression, social anxiety, non existent self esteem.

>> No.16122008

>>16120696
Hard-Boiled Wonderland

>> No.16122031

>>16120844
ultimate kek

>> No.16122071 [DELETED] 

>>16120783
Damn

>> No.16122598

>>16120783
... and I still feel this way at 28...

>> No.16122627

>>16121347
>>16121355
>not wearing shorts year round indoors
literally shorts in the summer and in the winter I just add a t-shirt. I also live in Canada where it gets fuggin cold

>> No.16122885

>>16120783
I was genuinely more of an interesting person then this when I was 12 lol

>> No.16122914

the stranger

>> No.16122951

>>16120696
The Moviegoer by Walker Percy.

>> No.16122954

>>16120696
Can girls be loomers?

>> No.16122958

Out of all the memes this applies to me the most and I am mid thirties. Most of those traits would fit a schizoid personality type.

>> No.16122969

>>16120696
why am i like this anons... can i be fixed?

>> No.16123001

>>16122958
>Most of those traits would fit a schizoid personality type.

True.

>> No.16123060

Suggest the following additions
>watches movie, then immediately reads Wikipedia article and online reviews to know if it was good or not
>can jerk off five times a day but did three months nofap on the first attempt
>spends hours reading forum discussions of products he doesn't want to buy
>has mentally constructed an elaborate fictional universe of places and landscapes, which he thinks about on long car journeys

>> No.16123073

Woah guys... this is ME! I'M A LOOMER YOU GUYS! I'M A LOOMER!!!

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>>16122598
You'll come out of your shell anon. Everyone's development is a little arrested these days, except kids who get passed around hollywood and private islands.

>> No.16123113

>>16120696
I relate to some of this but not to all of it

>> No.16123142
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16123142

>>16120696
>laughing at image because LOOMER sounds like some people I know
>slowly start to see things that sound directly like me
>backtrack and see that more of it applies to me than it does to other people

>> No.16123155

>>16120696
>Not ugly, not attractive, not "average" either
how?

>> No.16123166

>>16123155
It means they look kind of weird, but neither in an appealing or ugly way.

>> No.16123183

>>16120783
Wtf

>> No.16123197

>>16123155
Difficult to place as conventionally attractice or ugly.

>> No.16123712

>>16123060
>spends hours reading forum discussions of products he doesn't want to buy
I've spent the last 3 days reading and watching videos about Criterion's Ingmar Bergman's Cinema box set despite not having seen any of his films or owning a blu ray player :/

>> No.16123714

>>16121790
You have just described my relationship on a very simple paragraph.

>> No.16123849

>>16120696
is having political opinions supposed to be desirable?

>> No.16124575

>>16123714
Don't listen to him, she loves you

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16124689

books with protagonists like this?

>> No.16124734

>>16124575
I know.
It's more on my own self esteem.
Sometimes I think I am incapable of making her happy, although she is constantly giving me affirmation.

>> No.16124746

>>16120830
Dilate.

>> No.16124780

>>16120696
Lol I still don't own an umbrella. GET DABBED ON!

>> No.16124824

>>16124734
That sounds like something my boyfriend would say desu. As long as she's affirming it try to relax a bit and trust her.

>> No.16124880

>>16121976
And no personality

>> No.16124902
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16124902

>>16120696
People think I'm smart when I have a semi-decent vocabulary, but the truth is they find out fairly quickly I'm actually incompetent and kind of slow on the take.

>> No.16124908

>>16120696
The Stranger

>> No.16124967

>>16123101
th-thanks, y-you too. I don't want to suffer anymore.

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16124983

>>16123155
this look

>> No.16124993

>>16124902
>People think I'm smart when I have a semi-decent vocabulary, but the truth is they find out fairly quickly I'm actually incompetent and kind of slow on the take.
literally me. autism is a double edged sword.

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16126397

Yes.

>> No.16126413

>>16122954
laura loomer

>> No.16126423

>>16123712
watch movie reviewer videos, browse /tv/, never watch any actual tv or movies

>> No.16126429

>>16120696
Eventually in the near or distant future all my posts will be organized into a book that book will be entered into the greater book of all other posters who had their posts compiled into books and placed into this book, all books that contain posts by people with similar processes to the character you have laid out in the original post, that last book will be the book with the protagonist you search for.

>> No.16126448

>>16126429
sounds like london frog, which can't be topped

>> No.16126504

>>16126397
based ddg user

>> No.16126506

The Wojak in question is highly self-conscious, guarded about his emotions and thoughts, prone to periods of inactivity and withdrawal and, upon attempting to reengage with society in some form (e.g., a conversation) finds himself overwhelmed by the novelty of having to articulate himself verbally and also by the conviction that he does not possess the mental agility and genuine enthusiasm necessary for a shared experience in which each person is mutually interested in and curious about the other person.

The benefits of such a disposition is that he is likely to find solace in works of literature, which makes no demands on him in regards to time, spontaneity and artificial gestures. He is likely to be observant, considerate (perhaps overly so) of others, and eager to please others as a gesture of appreciation for their having showed some interest in him and acknowledged his existence. He returns to the flock and likely treats each of its perceived members as superior to him in some sense, and treats them accordingly, and is perceived in turn as being rather naive, childlike and in need of protection. They value his simplicity, his seemingly pure means of relating to others and the wider world.

However, this Wojak, as with all Wojaks, is also prone to succumbing to several vices and negative traits relative to his unique situation as a peripheral observer the bulk of whose time is spent either analysing the exterior world or cataloguing and probing the interior. The first of these is rigid classification: he has spent so much time thinking and imagining that the barrier between himself and the exterior world has become seemingly insurmountable, and he applies this system of thought to the wider world, in which a person becomes "good or bad", and which people are assigned to categories or "types" based on superficial observations of their own behaviour; racism, sexism are examples of such rigid categories, and from afar they can seem plausible enough but they are in most part (beyond statistically-reinforced observations of tendencies belonging to each race or sex, which are valid enough) a result of his own naivety and anxiety-induced fear of anything unfamiliar to him within the social world.

>> No.16126510

The second negative trait is that of self-absorption, which the Desert Fathers and their successors in Syria, Greece, Russia and elsewhere have all commented on and warned against; to spend time as an observer is to spend time in ones thoughts, which, prone to identifying some means to reinforce ones flagging self-esteem, have a tendency to convince oneself that the state of observing, or analysing and judging, is in fact a heightened moral or existential state, although again this kind of self-aggrandisement is a result of his unfamiliarity with other people and a lack of self-discipline on his part, with a consequence being that the more he judges, observed, analyses the further detached from society he becomes, and the further he drifts away from society and its system of validating, acknowledging, and judging positively the behaviour and attributes of its members, the more he relies on himself for validation and positive reinforcement, which results in a rather desperate and rather pathetic campaign to judge not his achievements, or his ethical conduct towards others and so on as evidence of his mental and "spiritual" health, but rather his thoughts and disposition, which can reach a state whereby he compels himself, consciously or otherwise, to seek further isolation, to move even further to the periphery of society, to become incapacitated by thoughts and introspection (and rigid classifying of the external) because in doing so be believes that is the only way he will be able to maintain or heighten his self-esteem which, quite naturally, crumbles whenever he is actually forced to engage in any activity in which the majority of people find their source of positive self-esteem and capability. Only in being an Other can this Wojak find what he takes to be contentment, but in condemning himself to be an Other he also betrays those finer aspects of his character which really flourish when providing something of value to society, in performing acts beneficial to its members, and relies on an autarkik system of self-praise which becomes delusional and deeply unstable.

This Wojak should seek humility and to offer himself to others, and in turn he will gain a genuine sense of confidence and a more empirical means of judging his own character. He does not have to force himself to learn the rules of social interaction, which are in part artificial and debasing, but he should form and strictly maintain the bond of clarity and mutuality which exists between himself and other people, and make sure he does not tread into the whirlpool of introspection which can, if submerged inside it, sever the bonds and obscure the paths which will lead him to a universal understanding of love and value.

>> No.16126606

>>16120783
It’s all downhill from here, isn’t it?

>> No.16126612

>>16120696

Book of Disquiet basically

>> No.16126635

>>16126506
>>16126510
Thank you, anon.

>> No.16126669

>>16126397
>DUT DUT DUT DUT
>VREEEEE
>VROOOO

>> No.16126725
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16126725

is kafka the schizoid archetype?

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>>16126725
or is it pessoa

>> No.16127138

>>16126448
you can still add more grey to grey

>> No.16127139

>>16120696
>Uhh books where protag is in a liminal state?
Any book with a hero's journey dork. Camus in particular if you want to stretch that part out.

>> No.16127163

Thread belongs on r9k, where it was contained before OP brought it here

>> No.16127202

>>16120696
How are these -oomer memes always both so weirdly niche and widely applicable at the same time brothers?

>> No.16127216

>>16127202
Barnum Effect

>> No.16127325

>>16127202
The Barnum effect is part of it.
Another is that you likely have a skewed impression of what the average person is like.
Take sociability. Most people you know are more sociable than you, but that's because sociable people know more people. You're more likely to get/keep in touch with sociable people than with other loners. So if you think you're in the bottom 5% of sociability it might actually be something around 20% or 30%.

>> No.16127354

It's sorta like Michel in Houellebecq's Les Particules Elementaires/Elementary Particles

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>>16126731

>> No.16127968

>>16126397
literally three good songs

>> No.16128048

>>16120696
It doesn't make sense. How can I be EVERY imsouniqueandspeshul wojak. How do they all apply to me. is everyone autistic or is no one. where's the "regular guy" wojak so I know what to compare to

>> No.16128056

>>16121347
know multiple fat guys who wear shorts in the winter

>> No.16128063

>>16123060
you guys are legitimately just describing schizoid personality disorder now

>> No.16128075

>>16123060
s-stop

>> No.16128185

>>16128048
Look in the mirror for the regular guy wojak

>> No.16128198

>>16120783
Yeah a twenty three year old with severe autism lol
Cope nigga.

>> No.16128200

>>16128063
Only that last point has anything to do with schizoid disorder

>> No.16128560

>>16127968
If you listen to individual songs, maybe, but I see it as an album that need to be listened in its entirety, as an experience in and for itself.

>> No.16128836

>>16126506
>>16126510
damn

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16129050

>>16120709

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>>16126506
>>16126510
thank you

>> No.16130288

>>16126506
>>16126510
>This Wojak should seek humility and to offer himself to others
this is the final redpill, and the hardest to swallow

>> No.16130490

>>16121790
kek that's literally my gf unironically, she's 6 years younger than me so maybe she will eventually seee how she deserves so much better than me, right now she's so blinded by love she thinks we will get married and shit but I never think about that stuff nor have any intention of doing so

>> No.16130501

>>16127968
You don't get it tourist

>> No.16130546

>>16123155
A person that looks average but they're offputting because they have a strange/vacant way of being. Weird posture, a strange way of speaking, strange mannerisms, weird facial expressions will make a perfectly normal looking man seem alien.

>> No.16131195

>>16124983

ethereally beautiful, got it

>> No.16131262

>>16124902
People don't think you're smart

>> No.16131301

>>16124983
idk he just looks handsome to me

>> No.16131318

>>16120696
This is such a ridiculous exaggeration.

>> No.16131327

>>16124983
Just the interesting-type of attractive normal to me.

>> No.16131341

>>16126731
He just needed a friend, I would have been his friend.

>> No.16131383

>>16123155
no such thing. guy that made the pic is probably either average or attractive and is just over thinking it.

>> No.16131781

>>16120696
woah that's literally me

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16132238

Any books about characters like this?

>> No.16132606

>>16120696
literally me

>> No.16132649

>>16126731
Yeah, that's it! For me, I don't know how to contort my thoughts to make sense to the other person. Usually I say things assuming some shared understanding, but what they assume is nearly the opposite of what I assume. My condensed and terse jests and remarks are completely foreign to who I am.

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16132757

hypothetically are there any books with characters like this?
>>16129050
based

>> No.16133185

>>16132757
the 27 year old patrick bateman

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>>16128185

>> No.16133720

>>16126423
Why are we like this?

>> No.16133777

>>16128063
>schizoid personality disorder

Anon what do I do if this symptom list describes me exactly. Fuck.

>> No.16133781

>>16133720
Because we care more about other people's thoughts than our own.

>> No.16133782

>>16132757
Watch: A year from now this will be the way people display their bios.

>> No.16133808

>>16120696
That was me 5 years ago.

>> No.16133851

>>16120696
my diary desu

>> No.16133858

>>16133808
How did you change?

>> No.16133859

>>16120696
A Confederacy of Dunces, maybe

>> No.16134018

>>16120783
wtf

>> No.16134083

>>16133858
I turned 28