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>this kills the socialist

>> No.16111219

>>16111218
>Muh individualism

Cringe

>> No.16112083

>>16111218
It doesn’t!
It reinvigorates. Idiots, you don’t know how to read

>> No.16112211

>>16111218
Stirner was created to be btfo by Marx.

>> No.16112220
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>>16112211
Which never happened
This book is where “retroactively btfo” comes from

>> No.16112232

>>16111218
Please elaborate

>> No.16112257

>>16112211
Threadly reminder that Marx was so unhinged by Stirny that he wrote a criticism longer than Stirn's entire published works.

>> No.16112261

>>16112083
only if all individuals as individuals agree, bit then again, that consensus of indiviguals would be hard to distinguish from personages feed the same propaganda or “spooks” to form a “correct” consensus.

>> No.16112275

>>16112257
threadly reminder that stirner acomplished diddly in terms if effect except making incels on 4chan meme about him, and the fact that Marx’s criticism is longer than stirners body of work only shows the frankly embarrassing power differential betten the two.

once stirner gets a whole country or autonomous collective to parade his picture, ill start to not think hes a meme.

>> No.16112285

>>16111219
>muh collectivism
even more cringe

>> No.16112296

>>16112275
> communist thinks spooky idol worship is an objective measure of a thinkers value
checks out

>> No.16112301

>>16112285
>muh collectivized individualism

maximal cringe.

>> No.16112322

>>16112301
no that’s the peak of non cringe

>> No.16112333

>>16112257

Socialists believe that a large quantity of words gives their arguments more weight. If their opponent's aren't interested in having their time wasted by whining they believe they've won.

Socialists don't believe in virtue, therefore they deny, "Brevity is Wit."

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>>16112261
Uh-hu, got it. That’s how it works

>> No.16112354

>>16112296
not a commie, but i think state idol worshiping is a slightly more telling symbol of a thinkers effect than some hack job repeat of “spook” on some crust ass old meme on an internet forum.
>>16112322
desu dont disagree, it could be either completely cringe (now) or completely non cringe (hegialian state). no middle ground.

>> No.16112370

>>16111218
reminder that property rights is a spook and there is nothing wrong to butcher the rich if it is my will

>> No.16112382

>>16112370
True, insofar there is nothing wrong with them butchering you to acquire property.

>> No.16112386

>>16112370
tru, but same aplies to them and they have easier access to guns.

>> No.16112392

>>16112382
>>16112386

But they've already evolved into convincing posters like >>16112370 to throw shitty pipe bombs at federal buildings while wearing traceable vests....

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>>16112354
but would Marx have had any of that effect if not for the effect Stirner had on him?

>> No.16112423

>>16112275
stirner's picture is paraded by a collective of no country, a union of egoists, you see them online, in every digital space, you're haunted by the ghost of the great spookbuster.

>> No.16112441

I still don't understand how historical materialism was supposed to counter Stirner at all.

>> No.16112448

marx write more words about stirner than stirner wrote in totality. you don’t get that butthurt if you aren’t afraid of someone’s truth

>> No.16112471

Stirner can be seen as libertarian or no?

>> No.16112484

>>16112350
I’ve seen you post this book dozens of times but not once have you given a tl;dr

>> No.16112485

>>16112471
I don't think so, because he wouldn't put liberty over himself. He would trample your liberties if it was ultimately in his interests.

>> No.16112503

>>16112386
but then I will brainwash people to think that property rights is moral imperative

>> No.16112690

>>16112083
Blobby let me tell you straight up. Communism doesn't work and is a bad idea.

>> No.16112702

>>16112382
>>16112386
Spinoza already handled this better than anyone. There are more people than there are rich people. Government is just the mechanism by which the majority combine to violently exert their will upon the more affluent and powerful minority.
It's all violent coercion sonny. Always has been.

>> No.16112716

>>16112702
its the opposite, government is the mechanism to protect the rich minority

>> No.16112854

>>16112448
Marx also wrote volumes about how calculus is nonsense (it isn't), so taking him as some paragon of intellectualism is just stupid.
Marx was a confirmed brainlet and the fact that it took him so much to refute something as stupid and as self-contradictory as Stirnerism says more about Marx than it does about Stirner.

>> No.16112881

>>16112854
I'm not sure what refutation happened; it was more a litany of insults. He really thought "Saint Max" was a linguistic killshot, lol.

>> No.16112965

When Marx gets ripshit bonkers at somebody, it usually just means he is mentally incorporating their ideas and strengthening his own analysis.

>> No.16113260

Stirner has THREE threads

>> No.16113315

>>16112854
refute it then

>> No.16113357

>>16113260
Good point, we do need more.

>> No.16113375

>>16111218
no its cringe as fuck for delusional faggots

>everything is a spook except freedom which real

meme ideology

>> No.16113389

>>16112257
If i say " The holocaust didn't happen" and you answer with a big text trying to prove me wrong like a big nerd it wont make me right.

>> No.16113393

>>16113375
filtered

>> No.16113405

>>16113389
but you would be right, idiot.

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>>16111218
this is your ubermensch unironically.

>> No.16113417

>>16113375
He spends a whole chapter talking shit about "freedom"

>> No.16113426

>>16113375
filtered

>> No.16113517

>>16111218
>People still don't understand that it was Satire

>> No.16113526

>>16113517
a marxist’s cope is an egoist’s hope

>> No.16113532

>>16113517
yeah 350 pages of dry and well-argued "satire." great take.

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16113546

> tfw realising onlyfans girls are stirnerian techno-egoists, not held back by society’s arbitrary morality

>> No.16113558

>>16113546
as are the guys who leak all their vids to the public, sure

>> No.16113564

>>16112333
>Socialists believe that a large quantity of words gives their arguments more weight.
That explains the memes

>> No.16113580

>>16112484
That's because Butterfly doesn't read any of the books she posts or recommends. She traffics in vacuous, pseudo-intellectual twaddle, and avoids having to defend her half-baked ideas by constantly being vague about what she's actually saying.

>> No.16113591

>>16113558
>Property cannot be asked for, it must be taken

>> No.16113612
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>stirner: LMAO fuck everyone else, fuck the collective only I matter
>socialists commies and general leftists: OMG he's just like me!

>> No.16113663

>>16113612
>only I matter
Go read Stirner

>> No.16114319

>>16113526
>>16113532
Everything I disagree with is satire you faggots

>> No.16114326

>>16111218
also kills the capitalist and just about everything else beyond yourself

>> No.16114346

>>16112275
>one stirner becomes a spook, ill start thinking he's not a meme