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16103699 No.16103699 [Reply] [Original]

Fot those that use an e-reader, just rememebr, the greatest reading experience is from the Anon Paperback™
>Owned by you, not licensed to you
>No DRM and fully shareable
>No proprietary formats
>Supports all languages, glyphs, symbols, and alphabets and never displays anything incorrectly
>Battery life longer than the heat death of the universe
>Far easier to make notes than using a stylus or typing on a touchscreen
>Cheap
>Durable
>Portable
Paper is king, and if you read on an e-reader, you hate literature.

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16103712

This is true of Liveblog too. It feels good to have a sturdy tome

>> No.16103759

>>16103699
Most of these are false if you pirate epubs

>> No.16103771

>>16103759
>epub
>not useable on the kindle, the most ubiquitous e-reader
>converting often fucks up symbols and accented letters
trash

>> No.16103822

>>16103771
>buying a device with a locked-down ecosystem
>complaining that the ecosystem on the device is locked down
Do you even do any research before buying stuff? I've bought one that KOReader has support for and can't complain, live PDF reflow from k2pdfopt in it is pretty nice.

>> No.16103887

>>16103822
I don't buy locked down eco sysytem devices.... cos I buy paper books.

>> No.16103905

>>16103771
>>converting often fucks up symbols and accented letters
never once in my life has this happened while converting from epub to mobi, those are essentially the same format. Pdf is a different matter.

>> No.16103924

>>16103905
pehaps I misremebered. pdf on kindle is fucking hell on earth.

>> No.16103931

>>16103771
use calibre and keep your kindle in permanent airplane mode
or be a normalfag who pays to download licenses to read books about how to suck jeff bezos's dick
you have the information, so the choice is yours

>> No.16103956

>>16103699
I have to pay for them or haul my ass to library for them tho.

>> No.16103993

>>16103931
>Fails to refute half of the post

>>16103956
Order used ones online anon, they come to you, and the cost is low.

>> No.16104008

don't care, I don't pay for music or videogames or TV or movies and I'm certainly not paying for faggy books lol

>> No.16104040

>>16103993
>order used ones online
If you want english books this only makes sense in the anglosphere and a part of western europe. Shipping used books internationally is more expensive than the cost of the book.

>> No.16104048

>>16104040
why would you need to do that? how fucking rare are books in your language anon? Do Albanian bookstores not ship to Albania?

>> No.16104065

>>16104048
Lots of books people may be interest in, because they've seen them here may have not been translated, especially when it comes to recent and not-so-recent non-fiction books. Usually stores don't carry foreign language books as well. So if you wanted that history book by that niche medievalist you've seen over here in some infographic - good luck finding it outside of pirating the epub/pdf.

>> No.16104083

>>16103699
The ones who hate literature are the greedy publishers who charge too much for new books and let old ones go out of print. If it weren't for them I'd never have to use an ereader.

>> No.16104087

>>16104065
>niche medievalist
>not available in fucking Xhosa or Navajo
Alright anon, you found a niche, I'll give you that one.

>>16104083
fair point actually

>> No.16104088

>>16103699
>get an ereader that can do epub
>download books from libgen
>take notes in a notepad (if I need to)
>end up not hoarding books I don't need since I probably won't revisit
>saved money, won't have the hassle of having to sell them used

t's pretty convenient, and makes you less of a consoomer, plus pdf isn't an issue if it's scanned with OCR

>> No.16104116

I can't pirate paper books and my local library is shit so...

>> No.16104120

Who got the money for that, honey

>> No.16104183

pdf on phone or tablet or computer is the unrefuted 21st century answer

>> No.16104195

>>16104183
>pdf
>phone
>computer
>reading
vomit

>> No.16104235

>>16103699
based
only downside is that i always run out of room on my shelves

>> No.16104245

>>16104235
That just means you can share ones you have finished with your loved ones anon. :)

>> No.16104252

>>16103771
You can pirate mobis too, you know. I don't even use Calibre anymore. I just do on libgen and look for Kindle formats and they're almost always there.

>> No.16104271

>>16104245
that's nice but i don't really lend books because i'm scared people will damage them, except for a few times with my immediate family
i also lent a girl a book once and later asked her out and she said no but i'm not particularly upset about that

>> No.16104323

>>16104252
yeah, I know, but I still prefer paper for the above reasons.

>>16104271
>because i'm scared people will damage them
me too, so I started buy used books only. If they get trashed, no big deal.

>i also lent a girl a book once and later asked her out and she said no but i'm not particularly upset about that
Good for you anon, even getting rejected feels good if you have put yourself out there. :)

>> No.16104354

>>16104323
I don't disagree. Lately though I just love being able to read whatever I want in a manner of minutes. I buy books I want to collect, or ones I find. Unfortunately my eyes are bad and I'm being spoiled by being able to blow up and illuminate the text. Waiting on my new prescription to come in, though, and maybe then I can comfortably finish 2666.

>> No.16104362

Sure, keep wasting your disposable income then complain about capitalism on /lit/.

>> No.16104365

>>16104354
Good for you anon, glad you found something that works for you :)

>> No.16104391

>>16104362
>complain about capitalism
No thanks, I have meat in my diet.

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>>16103699
>they get dusty
>they take up space
>bigger books are heavier
>imagine shoplifting physical books
>can't easily make copies to share with friends, you have to wait and hope they return it if you lend it to them

>>16103771
$0.02 have been deposited to your Amazon account.

>> No.16104480

>>16104437
>$0.02 have been deposited to your Amazon account.
>make a thread shitting on ebooks
>amazon shill

>>16104437
>bigger books are heavier
vegan detected
>can't easily make copies to share with friends, you have to wait and hope they return it if you lend it to them
your friend will never read that epub you sent them anon, it'll sit in their email inbox for eternity

>> No.16104795

>>16103699
Imagine paying 40 bucks for some out of print novel because some Jews didn't want to reprint a book.
>Owned by you
I pirate them.
>No DRM and fully shareable
It's not "fully" shareable if you want to share the book with 2 or 3 friends simultaneously, which you can with an ereader. We're not your friends, but you couldn't share your physical copy with an anon. Lots of stores sell books with no DRM btw.
>Battery life longer than the heat death of the universe
Hyperbole but the paperback copies you bought a couple of years ago will start falling apart in your lifetime.
>Far easier to make notes
You could take notes on a piece of paper as well.
>cheap
Relative.
>Durable
Relative. See above.
>Portable
Same as an ereader.

>>16103771
>>converting often fucks up symbols and accented letters
Oh wow, you're still repeating this fucking nonsense, lmao.

>> No.16104846

>>16104795
>I pirate them.
apples and oranges

>>16104795
>It's not "fully" shareable if you want to share the book with 2 or 3 friends simultaneously, which you can with an ereader. We're not your friends, but you couldn't share your physical copy with an anon. Lots of stores sell books with no DRM btw.
outlier scenario, I give 1 in 10 books to friends, never needed to give them to a group of people at once

>Hyperbole but the paperback copies you bought a couple of years ago will start falling apart in your lifetime.
I have plenty of books more than a century old

>You could take notes on a piece of paper as well.
carrying around a kindle and a notepad together? having to mark page numbers so you know where the note is referencing? what a chore.

>>16104795
>Same as an ereader.
lmao, those things are portable, sure, but when you get where you are going, you are holding something that is shit in the hand. Better to have a touch more bulk and actually hold the book properly than holding it like I have cerebral palsy.

>> No.16104918

>No DRM
Read the sticky redditfag.

>> No.16104924

>>16103699
I use both.
I much prefer paper books, but e-books allow me to access books that I would otherwise never be able to read.

>> No.16104933

>>16103771
>kindle
Ah, the virgin kindle user. Chads use Calibre...

>> No.16104941

>>16104846
>apples and oranges
A better analogy would be buying fruit at the grocer versus harvesting your own produce for zero dollars, or more exactly, having a device that copies edible food with almost no cost.
>I have plenty of books more than a century old
Post a photo of an opened 100+ year old PAPERBACK.
>what a chore.
The same as carrying a bulky copy, a notepad and something to write with. If you add a note with a number or a code (hardly difficult since it's 3 or 4 taps on the screen) you can easily cross-reference between ebook and paper. Or you could just copy-paste the txt that holds all your highlights and notes to your PC.

Furthermore, if you were interested so much in some book to take notes, highlight lines, etc. you should always buy a physical copy because it's easier to use in papers and other writings.
Nobody is pointing a gun at your head to pick one of the other. I guess understanding that this whole "debate" is a false dichotomy is not easy for the feeble minds of this modern age. Shame you haven't exacted this basic concept from your precious physical copies.

>> No.16105009

>>16104795
>Oh wow, you're still repeating this fucking nonsense, lmao.
it is entirely true

>> No.16105023

>>16103699
anon if you go on onion network and look for book libraries you can find any book you so desire as a pdf and download it right there, no torrenting. then download the file to your ereader and....

>> No.16105176

>>16105009
It's not and if you're this dumbass (>>16103924), yes, you're likely confusing it with PDF conversion.
I'll explain it to you again, just like I explained it over a month ago when you posted this nonsense, even though you posted zero proof of what you described.

An EPUB is basically an HTML file. If some characters in some non Latin script (like Russian or Japanese) are not display properly, it's likely due to the source EPUB having the wrong encoding tag. EPUB to MOBI conversion just changes the wrapper to Amazon's proprietary format. It doesn't do anything but a semi transparent copy paste.
If you encounter typos or wrong characters, it's also very likely the original file was not proofread properly, so it doesn't have anything to do with the MOBI or the EPUB, but rather with the editing.
If it's PDF to EPUB/MOBI conversion, then that's a whole different beast. Just install Koreader, read PDFs on a tablet or computer, or do a manual conversion through some OCR software.
Or buy the stupid physical book and stop repeating misleading anecdotal nonsense.

>> No.16105231

>>16105176
>It's not and if you're this dumbass
Oh, do Kindles support epub now?

>> No.16105259

books will always feel nicer than a plastic contraption with screen, but the latter is worth having for the serious reader in order to read rare works and content from academic journals

>> No.16105280

>>16105259
>serious reader
then why is anyone on /lit/ shilling for them?

>> No.16105354

>>16103699
>read e-books
>buys those books I read and liked so I can show them off on the shelf
get on my levels, plebbitors

>> No.16105364

>>16103771
Just jailbreak it bro

>> No.16105453

>>16105231
They do if you install a third party firmware.
But you totally missed the part where EPUB -> MOBI conversion is semi transparent and does not cause incorrect characters to appear, not accents of all fucking characters lmao (UTF-8 supports a plethora of strange accented characters, even GREEK).

Why do I even bother with low IQ computer illiterate retards.

>> No.16105471

>>16103712
Jannies? Hello? Every single thread with this.

>> No.16105495

>>16103699
>Drm.
Bitch, I use non-proprietary formats and convert on my Kobo.
>Supports are languages and never displays anything incorrectly.
You don't know what a misprint is do you?
>Battery life
Unless you're on it about finding a good binding, your paper-back's spine can deteriorate pretty damn fast.
>Far easier to make notes
Instant highlighting feature friend.
>Cheap
For the cost of five books, I can now store over a couple thousand I torrent
>Durable.
water damange is a thing.
>Portable
E-readers are pocket size you dunce

>> No.16105692

>>16105495
>Bitch, I use non-proprietary formats and convert on my Kobo.
>ownership structures that are unfair are no longer unfair if I can show I work outside those structures.
I guess slavery isn't evil and oppressive just cos you fled the plantation and made it north, eh anon?

>> No.16105703

>>16105495
>water damange is a thing.
yeah, for the kindle *smug pepe*
>E-readers are pocket size you dunce
Yes, but I am showing how paper fullfils that need also, anon

>> No.16106118

>>16104048
But I want to read in english, not some shitty translations anon

>> No.16106135

>>16105703
Kindles are waterproof
How many thousands of paper books can you fit in your pocket?

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>>16106135
depends on how deep my pocket is

>> No.16106664

>>16106135
>How many thousands of paper books can you fit in your pocket?
Name one situation where you're going to be needing thousands books in your pocket. If I am on a holiday I being a book and usually I manage to finish that book before it's over.

>> No.16106669

>>16103699
Pirated ebooks also have no DRM

>> No.16107327

>>16103699
I can pirate ebooks and live in a room the size of a bathroom so I don't need as many bookstacks

>> No.16108585

>>16104323
>Good for you anon
thanks pal

>> No.16108674

my phone has more books than could fit in your house

>> No.16108762

>>16105703
Pour water on your book and report back to us, anon

>> No.16108767

>>16108762
lol do you think they break? fucking zoomers

>> No.16108797

>>16108767
>Water damaged books isn't breaking them
You're the zoomer

>> No.16108802

>>16108767
Pour water on your book and report back, zoomer