/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16097975]

Is it truly impossible for the best of cinema to compete with the best of literature?

[Anonymous No.16097982]

we need a chart like that but for /lit/.

[Anonymous No.16098005]

This chart is fucking retarded. The best of cinema is as worthy as the best of literature but that list is mainstream garbage. Imagine if Lit had Stephen King books in their lists

[Anonymous No.16098028]

>>16097975
For you

[Anonymous No.16098038]

>pulp fiction
absolute retard-tier taste, i hope our chart doesnt look this retarded to other boards

[Anonymous No.16098044]

>>16098005
but i thought /tv/ was the arthouse kino board...

[Anonymous No.16098059]

>>16097975
No, cinema is an inferior art form.

[Anonymous No.16098064]

>>16098038

pulp fiction is literally the best film out of that top 10.

[Anonymous No.16098067]

>>16098038
Our chart is definitely that retarded, but it likely doesn't look that way to other boards since they don't read either.

[Anonymous No.16098092]

>>16098064
2001 is better
but i wasnt really trying to shit on pulp fiction, just remarking on how its such a normalnigger midwit answer to "whats your favorite movie", its a common favorite movie of people who have seen more movies than the average person, but just barely. you could called it the bottom of the dunning kruger cinema valley

[Anonymous No.16098094]

>>16097975
I love cinema, and I probably engage with it more than I do literature, but I don’t think it can reach literary peaks. Regardless, you’re not going to find any worthwhile discussion of film anywhere on 4chan. This chart supports that claim.

[Anonymous No.16098112]

>>16098044
Not it isn’t. It’s a landfill.

[Anonymous No.16098206]

>>16097975
Film is the greater art.
Literature involves
>writing words on a page.
A true filmmaker’s art involves
>writing the screenplay
>sourcing funds and collaborating with a team of other artists
>directing actors
>production design (sets, props, costumes, etc etc, each of which mucu be carefully chosen)
>shooting — a gruelling task involving intimate technical and artistic knowledge of motion picture cinematography, lighting, etc.
>sound design and music
>editing everything together into a seamless, moving, meaningful whole
Film is the younger art, but far more challenging in terms of the skills it requires. The true masters of the cinema— Ozu, Tarkovsky, Godard, Varda, Kurosawa, Antonioni, Fellini, Fassbinder, Herzog, Teshigahara, Denis, Cassavettes, Marker, etc— equal or surpass the genius of literature in their artistic achievement.

> tldr; a writer only needs to write. a master filmmaker must be at once a poet, a dramaturg, a photographer, a musician, an organizer, an artist, etc.

By the way OP’s meme is shit and shows the absolute pleb state of /tv/. (Reason no.1 I stay here on /lit/ and not there, being both a writer and filmmaker.)

>inb4 Mishima, Genet aRe BeTtER
These fags also made films (one each) and they were excellent.

[Anonymous No.16098306]

>>16098206
>>sourcing funds and collaborating with a team of other artists
>>directing actors
>>production design (sets, props, costumes, etc etc, each of which mucu be carefully chosen)
>>shooting — a gruelling task involving intimate technical and artistic knowledge of motion picture cinematography, lighting, etc.
>>sound design and music
>>editing everything together into a seamless, moving, meaningful whole
None of those things are art.

[Anonymous No.16098322]

>>16098306
pleb. if you’d actually tried to make a film you’d realize how much artistry and creativity goes into every detail. just because it’s a social art doesn’t make it inferior in any way.

have fun diddling your little fanfics—if you even write....

[Anonymous No.16098330]

>>16098206
supremely brainlet take

[Anonymous No.16098342]

>>16098206
>something is more complicated
>therefore it has more value
Simplicity is beauty.

[Anonymous No.16098355]

>>16098206
It's easier for literature to capture the artist's original vision. Every part of filmmaking has the ability to detract from the director's vision. Even the directors you've listed have had countless examples of their vision being compromised due to the logistical and financial troubles that come with filmmaking.

[Anonymous No.16098381]

>>16098355
Best response so far, thank you. This is why filmmaking is so hard and even the best directors are only able to pull off a handful of masterpieces at best.

This makes me respect the artform even more...

[Anonymous No.16098386]

>>16098206
Based. People who insist that literature is better are just experiencing sour grapes because they couldn't break into the film industry.

[Anonymous No.16098404]

>>16097975
>all that shittalk about /tv/ being better than /lit/
>they produce a depressingly pedestrian list of favourites

i guess that settles it then

[Anonymous No.16098412]

>>16098404
The /lit/ is HS and uni-freshman core.

[Anonymous No.16098491]

>>16098064
Lol it actually is, such is the retardation of /tv/. Only 7 Samurai even is even close to being good in the whole of top 100.
Of course shit like this doesn't compare to Dante, Shakespeare or Gogol

[Anonymous No.16098563]

>>16098491
>Only 7 Samurai even is even close to being good in the whole of top 100.
you have not seen even half of the movies in the top 100, retard

[Anonymous No.16098579]

>>16097975
This is basically Harry Potter tier, but for movies.

[Anonymous No.16098602]

>>16098206
So film, needing dozens of people, cant be art, because a single person cant but his stamp on it, instaid its a mess of competing artistic visions, which will always end in mediocrity, no matter how much a single voice controls all of it.

[Anonymous No.16098704]

>>16098092
>seen more movies than the average person

How many movies does the average person see? I've seen over 50 films this year as a collegefag.

[Anonymous No.16098912]

>>16097975
No.

[Anonymous No.16098929]

>>16098044
go to the /film/ generals for the good stuff

[Anonymous No.16098966]

>>16098704
thats more than the average person

[Anonymous No.16098981]

>>16098563
I have seen roughly 60. No need to watch the rest, I know exactly what to expect. Most are beyond retarded

[Anonymous No.16099568]

>>16098981
>Most are beyond retarded

How?

[Anonymous No.16099683]

>>16097975
Idk bro Griffith always seemed inferior to Shakespeare imo but then again I’m not a pleb.

[Anonymous No.16100296]

>>16097975
Where is Bane?

[Anonymous No.16100312]

>>16098064
In the first panel it is Drive

[Anonymous No.16101198]

>>16097975
In theory, no. In practice, all evidence points to yes.

[Anonymous No.16102077]

>>16099568
No intelligent insight, no attempt at an artistic statement, no structure, no skill, spewing platitudes, pandering to midwits and decadent academia, slave mentality etc.

All shapes and sizes: see syrupy Holywood soapbox melodrama epidemic (think Shawshank and Forest Gump - exercises in venerating Mary Sue protagonists), gimmicky action/horror movies which can't even build basic tension (think Alien and T2; The Thing is somewhat better but falls apart anyways), think semi-arthouse diarrhea which uses facile social commentary as a strawman but remains firmly grounded in slave mentality (think Fight Club and Mulholland Dr. - self-help angsty quoteomatic and a Freudian wet dream respectively).

[Anonymous No.16102153]

>>16097975
I hate that this bugs me, but
>Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
>Empire Strikes Back poster

[Anonymous No.16102231]

>>16098981
I'm finally nearly done with reading what I considered the essentials of the literary Canon; and have been trying to get into kino.
I've watched a handful already: Kubrick and Buñuel both impressed me, I've also seen a very small amount of series (the BBC's Rome and Westworld).

What are the ones I really ought to experience? Please recommend something higher than bloody Fightclub for the umpteenth time.

[Anonymous No.16102252]

>>16097975
only competition that matters is the profits. If movies needed to outcompete literature to make money they would.

[Anonymous No.16102259]

>>16097982
https://4chanlit.fandom.com/wiki/Charts#Top_100

[Anonymous No.16102268]

>>16102231
Jean Renoir
Yasujiro Ozu
F.W. Murnau
John Ford
Akira Kurosawa
Sergei Eisenstein
Carl Theodor Dreyer
Ingmar Bergman
Andrei Tarkovsky
Robert Bresson
Michelangelo Antonioni
Fritz Lang

[Anonymous No.16102391]

>>16102268
Go back to r/movies

[Anonymous No.16102413]

>>16102391
R-rated movies tend to be vulgar and oversexualized. I prefer the classics.

[Anonymous No.16102593]

>>16097975
Disappointing list for /tv/.

[Anonymous No.16102882]

>>16097975
that's old look up the new one

[Anonymous No.16103040]

>>16102391
You really think they're discussing Antonioni and Ozu over at r/movies?

[Anonymous No.16103116]

>>16102077
Thoughts of Charlie Kaufman's work?

[Anonymous No.16103127]

>>16102077
t. failed director

[Anonymous No.16103492]

>>16102252
This

[Anonymous No.16103521]

>>16097975
Holy shit, /tv/'s taste is pleb as fuck.

[Anonymous No.16103532]

>>16097975
>2011
taste is probably even worse now

[Anonymous No.16104788]

>>16097975
There is no ANY book, that summed up a woman as a character like Antonioni did. Check mate bookworms.

[Anonymous No.16105109]

>>16098038
We have the Bible at #1 so I'm confident in the objectivity of our list.

[Anonymous No.16106003]

>>16097975
Unironically yes. Film is a visual medium and thus its strengths come from beautiful cinematography. I don't care how many arthouse Polish films from the 70s you make, there's little worthwhile in them if all you're looking for is some profound philosophy or whatever else. A book can expand upon its themes due to the nature of its length. It can develop a way of thinking. A film cannot and always exists to push its own narrative when such "arthouse" is created. I hardly give a damn about the "human condition" seen through the eyes of some French hooker. Films, unironically, should be either abstract moving paintings, or "blockbusters", or just something that uses the medium to its full effect. I pick up a book to learn, I go to the theatre for monologues and emotional acting. Films should entertain other aspects. I'd argue that vidya is surpassing film for the reason that they can be a book and a movie at the same time.

[Anonymous No.16106077]

>>16106003
(you)
absolute pleb take

[Anonymous No.16106177]

>>16106077
Go on, tell me how The Turin Horse is some absolutely patrician and essential big brain art piece, I'll wait.

[Anonymous No.16106207]

>>16097982
check the sticky for once please

[Anonymous No.16106439]

jkrowling