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Was he a philosopher?

>> No.16069924

>>16069890
His philosophy was basically Callicles but racial/ nation version.

>> No.16069925

>>16069890
In fact he was a Philosopher King

>> No.16069930
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16069930

define philosopher

>> No.16069984

>>16069930
>If only you knew how bad things really are

>> No.16070098

he is more of a philosopher than any pen-pusher

>> No.16070101

>>16069890
Yes, and he was also a philosopher king

>> No.16070163
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16070163

I miss him every day.

>> No.16070184

>>16069930
Addresses the abstract nature of space, time, causality, knowledge, modality, etc.

>> No.16070194

>>16069930

Does mein kampf read like a Sorrows of Young Hitler?

>> No.16070197

>>16070194
Actually yes.

>> No.16070221

>>16070197
Interesting. Do you have an english version to recommend?

>> No.16070229

>>16070221
They're all shit. I've read the STALAG edition, some people recommend Ford translation.

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16070312

>>16069890
Undeniably yes. The greatest man of the XX century.

>> No.16070328

>>16069890
>autistic
>evil
>druggy
>wrote books
Yup, he was a philosopher.

>> No.16070333

>>16070312
lol

>> No.16070339

>>16069890
Why don't we get leaders like him anymore, fervid and ambitious with a clear direction, leaders feels so bland nowadays i actually have to try and remember what the last four presidents of my country were and even when i can't distinguish them from one another. You can say democracy but wasn't Hitler also voted in democratically?

>> No.16070361

>>16070339
elective dictatorship isn't really the same as democracy, but yes, he was elected

>> No.16070377

>>16070339
>voted in democratically

The Nazis scraped their way into power (importantly not absolute power, they needed a coalition) and then violently seized power. A few months after the election there was exactly one political party in the country. Hitler became ruler in a vote that was famously full of voter intimidation and all sorts of other not very democratic nonsense. We don't get leaders like that any more because they do stupid shit like start a massive war over some silly manic ideals.

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>>16069930
He was so pure bros.

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>>16070377
Wrong.

>> No.16070389

>>16070386
i miss him more every day

>> No.16070398

>>16070387
43% is not a majority, the other three aren't even worth recording

>> No.16070401

>>16070398
43% is more than any other party though.

>> No.16070403

>>16070229

Manheim and Reynal are the best of the lot.

>> No.16070411

>>16070403
I'm pretty sure Manheim is by far the best, but I've also heard that it makes it a lot more plain and simplistic compared to the original. How's the Reynal?

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>>16070398
>dude it was the last free election haha
>Nadzees are stupid!

After the party was unbanned, their rise to fame was unrivaled. You can hate the NSDAP because you're a stinky J*w, but you can never take away what they've accomplished.

>> No.16070426

>>16070401
Yes but not enough to form a majority without a coalition. I would say forming a coalition and then banning the party you formed it with is not a very democratic way of acting.

>>16070415
> you can never take away what they've accomplished.

The soviets and the americans already did that lol

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>>16070426
>The soviets and the americans already did that lol
That's where your wrong, kiddo.

>> No.16070432

>>16070411
>How's the Reynal?

As far as I can tell, very accurate to the source material, but I am not a German speaker. As I recall, the Reynal & Hitchcock version was being done by some academics and the publishing house picked up the rights when they got wind of it.

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>>16070426
>>The soviets and the americans already did that lol

The thousand year Reich never ended.

>> No.16070444

>>16070432
>done by some academics
Into the trash it goes. Read the STALAG edition, the translation might be shit, but at least you can be sure that the original thought isn't tampered by some academic faggot.

>> No.16070454

>>16070444

Some lad who learned German here has supported the authenticity of the Reynal version. It's an unexpurgated English edition, as far as I can tell.

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>>16070386
he was also a gentleman (Eva Braun had the camera)

>> No.16070464

>>16070462
>gentleman
nowadays we call such a man a "simp"

>> No.16070486

>>16070454
> Some lad who learned German here has supported the authenticity of the Reynal version
>Some lad who learned German here
>some lad
As long as it's certified by some lad we have no reason to question its authenticity and accuracy.

>> No.16070535

>>16069890
absolutely. he didn't like reading philosophy that much beyond political philosophy and Nietzsche/Schopie. He was much more of a /his/ ,/k/, and /x/ guy

>> No.16070554

>>16069890

No. He just spoke and wrote what sounds like the speech of a raving and racist lunatic.

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>>16070554

>> No.16070639

>>16070398
November_1933_German_parliamentary_election

This is a clear majority
>but it wasn't a free election!
Yes it was, everyone who wanted to vote against could and did.

>> No.16070647

>>16070464
>simp
Stop using nigger vocabulary.

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>>16070486

There are a lot of very nice Hitlerites on /lit/ so I have no reason to doubt them.

Some of them introduced me into historical non-fiction collecting, and to some great authors.

>> No.16070689

>>16070639
Meant to link this whoops sorry
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_1933_German_parliamentary_election

>> No.16070711

>>16070438
lol

>> No.16070760

>Ernst Jünger
>Thomas Mann
>Gottfried Benn
>Horst Lange
>Jochen Klepper
>Werner Bergengruen
>Ernst von Salomon
>Ernst Niekisch
There are so many great conservative German authors from that time and they all thought of Hitler as either an idiot, monster or both. Make you think??

>> No.16070790

>>16070760

Hitler was not a conservative, at least not in a fully-commital Spenglerian type of way.

>> No.16070793

>>16070760
And then there are actual writers who thought he wasn't like Heidegger and Jung

>> No.16070806

>>16070793
>philosopher and psychologist
>actual writers
lel, autist

>> No.16070812

>>16070806
>poem and short story writers
>actual writers

>> No.16070813

>>16070790
Half of those guys are literal fascists though.

>> No.16070820

>>16070812
Benn is the poet but which one is the short story writer?

>> No.16070844

>>16070221
>>16070229
>>16070403
>>16070411
>>16070432
>>16070444
>>16070486
Stalag edition is the worst, it's always recommended by people who hate MK. Don't read the Stalag.
Manheim is the best out of the older translations, but Dalton's new one is supposed to be very accurate as well.

>> No.16070849

>>16069890
He misinterpreted Nietzsche. Fell victim to the idiotic anti-semitism at the time. There was nothing unique about his ideas.
I would say Hitler was a genius thug and public speaker. The basic qualities to become a political leader in a country in utter turmoil.

>> No.16070863

>>16070849
fair

>> No.16070888

>>16070760
yeah, but most of them were kind of jealous of his success. Also they were out of touch with averge German.

>> No.16070899

>>16070888
>out of touch with averge German
and that's a good thing

>> No.16070908

>>16070849
Except he had a massive library and found time to read almost everyday, sadly we'll never knew the books he read because his private library was bombed. And he tried to live as virtuously as possible in his day to day life, from eating frugally everyday, to having little to no material possessions of his own, to having or carrying around almost no money and giving what little money he had to passer-by's and regularly sharing his food with the people he passed by on foot or in his car when he drove through the country-side, and to making sure he always helped and stayed connected with his close friends, like his best friend Kubizek

And before you ask for the source, its Léon Degrelle who travelled together with him and knew him closely

>> No.16070924

>>16070908
Wow, he was basically Pewdiepie! How cool is that?

>> No.16070925

>>16070908
You should read Hitlers Private Library, by Timothy Ryback.

>> No.16070953

>>16070908
interesting. And yet he was so blind to the horrible war crimes he committed. But again, his way of life does not make him a philosopher.

>> No.16070967

>>16070953
What war crimes? Except the rogue SS divisions who should have been out down like wild beasts. The whole war started simply because Germany wanted a highway to connect them to East Prussia

>> No.16070980

>>16070464
you're only a simp if she doesn't reciprocate

>> No.16071005

>>16070229
>some people recommend Ford translation
I read a later Ford edition and it was OK. Apparently the older Ford editions were riddled with gross errors.

>> No.16071012

>>16070967
>The whole war started simply because Germany wanted a highway to connect them to East Prussia

I always describe it as a war of Polish aggression. The myth that Gliewitz (and other frontier violations) was a false flag are STILL milling about to this day!

>> No.16071013

>>16070953
> the horrible war crimes he committed
Which were arguably much less bad than those of the allies/soviets. But history is written by the victors.

>> No.16071019

>>16070377
>a vote that was famously full of voter intimidation
There was violence and intimidation present on both sides. The actual body count reflects such. Even Shirer could not hide this fact. The Communists were no angels.

>> No.16071027

>>16071013
>>16070967
I've triggered a few of you.
I agree war crimes were committed by both sides. I was simply noting the cognitive dissonance within hitler. On on hand he did this >>16070908. And on the other he orders the mass murder of millions.

But let's please stick to the topic. Hitler is simply not a philosopher.

>> No.16071054

>>16071019

That even anti-Nazi writers (such as Shirer) have to admit the violence of the KPD makes me smile.

You know what's crazy, though? There is NO mention of Horst Wessel on the KPD wiki page. Isn't that wacky?

>> No.16071064

>>16071027
> he orders the mass murder of millions.
Except he didn't. Or do you mean regular war casualties? In that case Marcus Aurelius isn't a philosopher either, I guess. You're conjuring up this 'cognitive dissonance' yourself, there is none.

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>>16070760

>> No.16071086

>>16071064
I'm pretty sure it was this Hitler guy was behind the mass encampment and murder of Jews though...

>> No.16071105

>>16071084
Oh shoot, oh naw, dang it! He posted it again!

>> No.16071109

>>16071086
Mass encampment yes, mass murder, no. Yes jews died en route to the camps and due to bad conditions in the camps at the end of the war, but Hitler never ordered the mass murder of jews.

>> No.16071531

>>16070844
I need a German version to validate the claims that I see here - a hard copy, not web bullshit. I would post critiques of passages to establish quality of translation.

>> No.16071537

>>16070432
I see, I might buy it and check it with the Manheim, see how accurate or different it is.

>>16070462
Actually it was revealed Goebbels was holding the camera.

>> No.16071541

>>16071531
I remember an anon posted an original german 1933 edition of Mein Kampf in a stack thread once

>> No.16071596

>>16071541
I have not made a thorough search yet, but I did try a bit. I did not think that it would be hard to find but all I see are translations.

>> No.16071623

>>16071541
>original german 1933 edition of Mein Kampf
But the original edition is from 1926 (or 28, which was it?), the 1933 version is edited and not written entirely by Hitler.

>> No.16071686

>>16071596

I have this idea in my head that many original volumes were destroyed.

>> No.16071714

daily reminder that he absolutely did nothing wrong

>> No.16071760

>>16069890
he wasa pawn, a murderer nonetheless. if you cant stand up against hate, them fuck you. He embraced it though, thats what sets him apart

>> No.16071761

>>16069890
Nein, aber er soff viel

>> No.16071765

>>16071714
In the end he failed to bake the cookies though, and his defeat let to the creation of state Israel.

>> No.16072096

>>16071531
Dalton has a double language edition, both the original German and his English translation.

>> No.16072181

>>16069890
He was a philosopher in the same way that a trip to the hospital is a vacation.