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[Anonymous No.16060497]

i can't figure out if Terence Mckenna was extremely intelligent or retarded

for the most part i like the guy, even though alot of his shit is super out there or blatantly wrong (timewave zero)

he's so well read compared to anyone ive ever met and it kind of oozes out and he ends up accidentally teaching history, and i agree with alot of his intuitions and general feelings

but goddamn is he hard to sell to someone.

i realize its likely he was both intelligent and retarded, its just hard to figure out how to categorize him mentally

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.16060514]

Eccentric.

Would you happen to know where he said this?
Or was this post yours?

[Anonymous No.16060556]

>>16060514
idk and no

[Anonymous No.16060569]

He was an extremely intelligent retard, much like myself.

[Anonymous No.16060593]

>>16060497
meh the usual mental ramblings of the plebs which should never have been created if the peasants were not lead to believe they have the faculty of reason

this is why humanism is a roblem. the dimwits start to think, and wrose they start to think they are smart. and when they reach a high number, the result is millions of people babbling about drug fueled and sex driven faux introspection

[Anonymous No.16060609]

>>16060593
You don't know anything. You can't even speak coherently. You actually just come off like a retard.

[Anonymous No.16060636]

>>16060593
The irony.

[Anonymous No.16060654]

>>16060593
nigga what

[Anonymous No.16060660]

His thoughts on Finnegans Wake are actually pretty insightful. Turns out you have to be on psychedelics to understand what the fuck is going on in that book.

But he's also the sort of woo-woo new age guru type that I found cool to listen to after I would smoke a joint when I was 20. Nowadays I just find people like this obnoxious

[Anonymous No.16060667]

Based on his speech patterns, I would say he is intelligent. Based on content, i'm not sure. Terrence definitely was a unique mind and highly imaginative.His ability to explore his own mind was remarkable.

[Anonymous No.16060672]

>>16060497
The simplest categorization is to refer to him as an Art Historian. Art history sits on the border between history and an interpretive art in and of itself. Terence became a master of this inbetween space between Art and History, and that's how he was able to come up with so many prescient concepts and insights. IMO, his stoned ape, and novelty theories will be vindicated, and either form the basis of a new scientific school, or an occult spiritual rite that will likely stay underground, but have a certain kind of popular attraction.

I personally think that a lot of what he said about "The End of History" is more prescient than people realize. We are coming to a moment of total singularity of consciousness on our planet where we will inevitably be forced into adopting a unified paradigm, or killing ourselves. The consequences of this are hard to fathom but I think that there is a time not too far away where there is going to be absolute consensus about history and Religion, and I think Terence's Stoned Ape and Novelty Theories are going to play a massive role in this. There may be hold-over subversive elements that try to thwart this reckoning, but I think that if a holistic universal theory could somehow "go viral" on the internet, and people just started adopting a new singular paradigm, it will be impossible to resist.

[Anonymous No.16060673]

he was way more creative, insightful and relevant than any academic philosopher of the 20th century

[Anonymous No.16060687]

>>16060660
He really wasn't that "woo-woo" though. He constantly derided the UFO and paranormal crystal people for making the psychedelic underground look nuts. He was insistent about developing a phenomenology of psychedelics that was acceptable to western scholarship. The problem is that nobody listened to him and these dumb hippies are all that remains of his legacy. It's really not his fault, he tried to speak rationally to the sub-culture of the time, but most of them were just too dumb and dense to understand the magnitude of Terence's intellect.

I'm always amazed by how tactful Terence is when he takes questions from these shameless cooks after his talks online. At the very least, these dumb hippies helped to pay Terence's bills so that he could keep writing and doing public speaking tours, but god dammit do they make him look bad.

[Anonymous No.16060712]

>>16060672
interesting take

[Anonymous No.16060781]

>>16060687
IMO I think this is why he started having bad trips at the end of his career. Because he started out seeking some kind of academic recognition through his writing and philosophy, albeit using his counter-cultural method, but he ended up as an older man speaking in front of drugged out teenagers at these underground raves. These kids had no concern for philosophy, they were the consumerist hedonists that Terence frequently spoke out against, fully raised and bred to be good consumers. Terence was seeing the futility of trying to educate and organize these people, and I think he got super black-pilled just before falling ill.

That said I do think that he did fall for some of the 1960's libertine memes, but that is to be expected within the cultural milieu of the time. I guess the OP might be right in some regard... I think that the big issue that the psychedelic community ran into was it's total dissolution of boundaries, and this idea that through anarchic free love the Gaian mind would just magically appear. This is actually not how it works, and you have to study the classics to really understand how the Gods manifested themselves into Political and Spiritual movements. On almost every occassion, the introduction of a new spiritual and political program is heralded by some kind of military dictator. Obviously if Terence would have gone around preaching this in the 60's he would have been reviled by the hippies, and probably thrown in jail by the feds. But if you apply Terence's psychedelic theory of evolution to the classical religions, you can see how people like Caesar and Alexander the Great were probably engaged in some kind of occult rites. They took the final step though of organizing their communities into a physical military force that established the order of the universe under their watchful gaze.

TL;DR We need a God-Emperor Military Dictator to enforce a Psychedelic Cosmology in society.

[Anonymous No.16060819]

OP if you haven't read it tao lin's latest release is a half biography of terence set against tao's own delvings into drug use.
tao also attends a class by and talks to terences family.
tao is one of my favourite authors even though he is heavily criticised on /lit/. the book is in tao's voice but is very different from his other works. i would highly recommend it if you're interested in a modern take on terence.

[Anonymous No.16060828]

>>16060781
>I think he got super black-pilled just before falling ill.
this is ridiculous

[Anonymous No.16060838]

>>16060828
Well black-pilled is a modern term for the sentiment but yes, I think that he became depressed by what was happening around him in the popular culture. Terence had great hopes for the 90's, and when he realized that it was a lot of the same dumb consumerism of the 80's I think he got depressed.

I'm using black-pilled in the wignat sense here.

[Anonymous No.16060843]

>>16060781
bad take

[Anonymous No.16060844]

>>16060838
>I'm *NOT* using black-pilled in the wignat sense here.

[Anonymous No.16060849]

>>16060843
Can you form sentences or do you just do upvote downvote?

This exactly what I'm talking about when I say that Terence's legacy has been plundered by a bunch of brainless drug addled hippies.

[Anonymous No.16060851]

>>16060838
why would you use wignat terminology when talking about terence mckenna and post a wignat meme alongside your shitty take?
i had to look up wignat, and am only using it ironically. fuck you.

[Anonymous No.16060886]

>>16060851
Because the Alt-Right is actually onto something as far as it concerns the classics. I'm not a wignat, like I said, and I don't believe in race-realism or any of that bullshit, but I do believe that Adolf Hitler was a great man, the Holocaust never happened, and that we need to return to a traditional way of life that more closely resembles our ancient ancestors throughout the world. I think if Terence were around today, after seeing how the 1960's has crashed and burned into the rampant neo-liberalism we see today, he would have been outraged, and likely would develop certain sympathies for the alt-right movement.

If the "alt-right" wouldn't have descended into Q boomer bullshit in 2017, and the splitting of /pol/, a truly enlightened ideology could have come out of 4chan. It's still not entirely too late, but it's going to take a long time to unfuck /pol/ from the Jewish psy-op of race realism.

If Terence would have been around to see 9/11 and a bunch of other things, I can 100% guarantee you that he would at least privately have disdain for the terrorist state of Israel which is the real "Patriarchal Authority" that he ultimately ended up popularizing.

[Anonymous No.16060894]

>>16060886
jesus christ

[Anonymous No.16060896]

>>16060886
Good satire

[Anonymous No.16060908]

>>16060819
nice try tao

[Anonymous No.16060919]

>>16060894
You do realize that "Our Greatest Allies" killed 3,000 innocent people by blowing the world trade centers in NYC don't you? You do realize they suck billions of dollars out of our economy so that they can murder children in the middle east right? These people are murdering terrorists who are in every way antithetical to the psychedelic values that Terence stood for. Terence was a genius, and give another 10 years on the internet, he too would have realized that Hitler did nothing wrong, and the reason we are in this predicament today is because the wrong side won WWII.

The hippies were an unconscious reaction to this very fact, and their rebellion against their parents and the post-war world was because it was dominated by the wicked Jews that orchestrated world war II and financially enslaved humanity in the aftermath of it. The conspiracy was too grand to believe back then, but people are starting to wake up.

[Anonymous No.16060926]

>>16060919
you should have just left it at the previous post, this one wasn't as funny

[Anonymous No.16060937]

>>16060919
>wicked Jews that orchestrated world war II
hint: it was the anglos. they are behind 90% of the modern world's problems because their psychopathic aristocracy couldn't stop plundering and enslaving the rest of the world

[Anonymous No.16060949]

>>16060926
There is nothing funny about what is happening in America, and around the world right now. It is going to be a cut throat struggle of life and death, and it is going to require all of the bravery that we can muster just to survive. If you are still on the internet for Haha's it's time for you to grow up and put on your big boy pants. Conspiracy theories aren't funny jokes, they are an attempt at recovering the fragmented truth that has been stolen from us by the elites. It is a spiritual struggle of the utmost necessity and importance. Seriously just get cable tv and get the fuck off the internet if you are going to choose to be an idiot.

[Anonymous No.16060955]

well this thread went about as well as it could have.

[Anonymous No.16060958]

>>16060937
Anglos were a big part of the problem. The jew rats would have lost if they didn't have their drunken goy Churchill doing their dirty work as PM. Either way, they are not even the most remote kind of threat at this stage in the game, Adolf Hitler utterly destroyed the british Empire with his fierce resistance during WWII and bankrupted them into oblivion. We have only America and Israel as enemies, and America is falling apart on her own.

[Anonymous No.16060965]

>>16060955
Doesn't matter what kind of thread you post brother. It always goes back to the Jews.

[Anonymous No.16060970]

>>16060965
rent free

[Anonymous No.16060992]

>>16060970
Anti-Semetism is the new counter-culture bro.

[Anonymous No.16061007]

anyone else have perspectives on mckenna?
curious if we can get this thing back on the rails

[Anonymous No.16061024]

>>16061007
i dont know anything about him but a bit of name recognition, whats a good intro? i see he has lots of talks but also some books,, what is he all about? from the replies, seems interesting

[Anonymous No.16061026]

>>16060672
Yeah, the jumping Jesus phenomenon described by Robert Anton Wilson really puts the coming singularity into perspective
I think it's all gonna have something to do with AI and transhumanism, but people would maybe be introduced to psychedelics as a new age spiritual practice and McKenna would be like a new age icon saint, something like out of the Brave New World, where every other week, Bernard gets blasted on Soma with other people and perform some weird religious ceremony

[Anonymous No.16061056]

>>16060497
McKenna has GLOWING IN THE DARK written all over him.
He promotes all the same bullshit that CIA, and alike have been trying to shill for some time now like psychodelics (all your LSDs, DMTs and other "mind opening" bullshit) and occult stuff.
In fact, he himself says that he is a spook:
https://logosmedia.com/McKenna-Agent

[Anonymous No.16061064]

>>16061024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhmCldK0-0g

[Anonymous No.16061074]

>>16061024
https://youtu.be/OBZBtdaAxcM

[Anonymous No.16061075]

>>16061056
Wait, why does the CIA promote psychedelics? Is there a book on this? I've been hearing about this for a long time, desu
I heard Jerry Garcia worked for the CIA, and I'm pretty sure Timothy Leary did too
Idk why the CIA would promote psychedelic use among the general population when it's illegal though, or why they would at all

[Anonymous No.16061076]

>>16060497
intelligence can mean intelligence applied to stupid things

like it's stupid that he believed that drugs made him astral project to a planet of lizard people, but he's intelligent in the way he studied and explained the experience

I think he put full faith in psychedelic mysticism and let his intelligence run around in those fields. Having used psychedelics myself I find it kind of uncomfortable to listen to, but I still respect him as a sage of some sort in this area.

[Anonymous No.16061088]

>>16061056
take your meds

[Anonymous No.16061112]

>>16061088
I think he's right but I'm too lazy to look up anything to back it up
Just seems like people like him are given specific roles and put out into the mainstream consciousness for a purpose

[Anonymous No.16061118]

>>16061112
>for a purpose
ah yes, the cia encouraging people to dismantle their cultural bonds and take psychedelics seriously and view them in their historical context while also encouraging explorations of both science and art, advocating anti-consumerism and to view yourself in the eternal historical context.
HMMMMM

[Anonymous No.16061151]

>>16061118
Yeah, maybe
I just think it's suspicious, that's all
Like, how does someone as well known as him, who's known for doing a bunch of illegal drugs, get away with and continue doing them and talking about them all the time?
Like, why is he allowed to do illegal things but I can't?

[Anonymous No.16061161]

>>16061075
>why does the CIA promote psychedelics?
The glowies are very interested in experiments with consciousness. They have been using all kinds of psychodelics in their secret programs like MKULTRA. Ultimately, they want to find a magic pill which could make general population passive and complient to anything. Psychodelics definitely help here. The dark side of all of these drugs is that in the end they make people slow and passive.
>why the CIA would promote psychedelic use among the general population when it's illegal though
The good term here is "controlled opposition". They create a problem and then they create a manufactured and easy controllable solution to it. They are afraid of real opposition to their mainstream narrative, so in the place where they expect opposition to rise, they either create a controlled one beforehand or opt in and destroy the existing one.
This "truthers" group like London Reel are the perfect example of this. They seem to be opposing all the modern propaganda by mildly criticizing it and offer a very passive solutions.
>>16061088
Nah, meds are actually for McKenna fans.

[Anonymous No.16061164]

>>16061151
he talked about this in one of his lectures

he muses that he might be the useful idiot or something so they let him frolick

[Anonymous No.16061179]

>>16061161
>psychodelics
>complient
go back to school

[Anonymous No.16061191]

>>16061075
Okay I keep explaining this around here but I'll give you my rundown.

The MKUltra program did in fact happen. There was this totally deluded notion concocted by some brainlet in the CIA that by giving somebody LSD you could turn them into a perfect Manchurian Candidate, some kind of brainwashed super-soldier kind of thing, fully compartmentalized, no free-will, that kind of thing.

Well obviously this idea is dumb as shit and it didn't work. The feds did find out however that LSD could drive people crazy, particularly their own spooks who they were experimenting on. So during the 1960's counter cultural revolution, LSD was being shilled through the grateful dead in the same way that Marijuana and Cocaine were being sold in black communities. They wanted to make this the cool counter-cultural thing, so that they could arrest political dissidents for life. Secondarily, this drug had the added benefit of incapacitating some of the revolutionary potential of the hippies, pushing these drugs was a way to keep the hippie movement chaotic and disorganized.

I think the hippies largely had good intentions, but ultimately they failed to accomplish their revolution, in fact things got substantially worse after them. As far as Leary, McKenna, and Rogan are concerned, if they are CIA operatives, then it is very likely that they are gate-keepers and barometers. Their job is to make sure that the psychedelic movement doesn't spill over into radical revolutionary violence. In this way they are essentially blackmailed into being spooks, the only way they don't go to prison is by occassionally towing the company line as far as it concerns the CIA. This is why Rogan is required to have that CIA agent Mike Baker on his show all of the time. Rogan needs to keep pumping out pro-America propaganda that will win over the psychedelic underground.

cont...

[Anonymous No.16061192]

>>16061179
Sorry, not a native English speaker.

[Anonymous No.16061251]

>>16061191
Ultimately, politics and power can get really messy. If you end up gaining any kind of notoriety in the field of psychedelic drugs, you will be approached by feds, and you will be required to play ball or go to Jail. For Terence, Leary, and Rogan, the choice here is simple. I can work for the feds, get some government sponsored gigs, not go to jail, and keep enjoying my lifestyle, or I can try and resist the feds and go rogue, end up getting my life destroyed and in prison. Pretty simple choice to make senpai. As far as it concerns McKenna & Leary, the feds had whole cabinets filled with files on these guys, McKenna was a hash smuggler, Leary was equally susceptible to blackmail, and Rogan has eaten Psilocybin mushrooms on camera, and frequently talks about recent trips. He clearly has some kind of immunity, and it's probably because he cut a deal to keep certain political views off of his show.

Ultimately, you have to remember that just because the feds were pushing this at one point, doesn't mean they are bad. They were just looking for an excuse to arrest hippies, and dissolve the revolutionary movements popping up at the time. Civil Rights was a huge loss for the CIA, that's why they killed MLK jr., and the vietnam protests were threatening to turn into something more serious, as the weather underground started becoming more active among other groups. Charles Manson was also a CIA op, this is one good thing that Rogan has revealed on his show, and it looks like he got the green light to tell the truth on that, so the feds look like they are trying to air out some dirty laundry from the past.

The best part about this whole story though is that ultimately, LSD and the rise of the psychedelic culture ultimately has done more for dismantling the bullshit indoctrination that has crippled this country since the post WWII war. Without this massive cultural movement, we would be in a much more precarious situation. Ever notice how the alt-right is absolutely filled with pot smokers? We are the re-manifestation of the 1960's counter-culture, and the psychedelic meme-magic period was the clearest and most obvious manifestation of that. However the Jewish community has rallied to shut down our ideological program, and now it is very hard to find any online space where these counter-cultural sentiments are be expressed clearly without shills coming in to say hateful shit.

Anybody who hates the alt-right, go watch Murdoch Murdoch right now. That's what the alt-right was originally about, until it got infiltrated by paid operatives and Q boomers.

[Anonymous No.16061264]

>>16061191
>>16061251
Based

[Anonymous No.16061273]

He was a CIA agent
-Jan Irvin

[Anonymous No.16061277]

>>16061024
One of my first lectures I watched by McKenna, it's a great intro to his thinking, and he explains his evolutionary theory very clearly, and with a gentleman's manner and humor.

This lecture is called "Seeking the Stone" If i recall correctly he is in the middle of a speaking tour for "Food of the Gods" so the content of that book is still really vivid and fresh in his mind. This is one of his most focused interviews, and I've watched a lot of his footage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgQfC4WRg-g

[Anonymous No.16061298]

>>16061273
>>16061056

Jan Irving is a completely discredited Hack and Shill. The guy who started spreading this stupid theory about the CIA and psychedelic drugs is literally went from being a fedora tipping atheist, to a Mormon Zionist. You just can't get any more pathetically contrarian than this middle-school tier "intellectual".

[Anonymous No.16061330]

I'm going to leave this here if there is anybody who is interested in my shitposts.

Basically I created a 4 hour documentary that demonstrates how Terence McKenna's Mushroom-Cattle-Goddess Religion emerged out of the Sahara, and was practiced in the Bible, with a partially continuous tradition going through Jesus and the Islamic prophet Muhammad. I basically prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that the whole bible is the story of a Psychedelic Mushroom Drug cult, then go on to make some brief mentions about significant events in the 60's. It's a pretty deep analysis that I think is actually pretty good, there's a lot of research that went into this, even though my production quality is kind of low. If you care about this information it's worth your time, I've found some very little known things in my studies that are extremely insightful when it comes to understanding both the bible, and the world of antiquity as a whole.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/niUznV7Lzt8u/

[Anonymous No.16061335]

>>16061192
Right. Go back to school until you can pass for one.

[Anonymous No.16061350]

>>16061330
what the fuck

[Anonymous No.16061352]

>>16061330
Sounds pretty interesting
I was kind of thinking about this topic for awhile now but never looked into it

[Anonymous No.16061363]

>>16061024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8y-khMKIbU

Here's a shorter 30 minute interview that's one of his earlier televised conversations with Mishlove on Thinking Allowed. Mishlove still runs a podcast and he's good friends with Jason Reza Jorjani. Mishlove holds a unique doctoral degree in parapsychology, most of the time I ignore people involved in parapsychology, but Mishlove is actually well educated on his history, and was there for it all in the 60's, and aside from that just a really cool and friendly guy.

[Anonymous No.16061373]

>>16061363
this is one of my favourite interviews with him because it's so cute. i agree with you re: mishlove. good post.

[Anonymous No.16061394]

>>16061350
>>16061352

It's an internet hodgepodge of footage and movies that just shows the general thrust of psychedelic drug use, and it's psychological and political effects on the cultures in the ancient levant. IMO, this doc could be done a lot better, this is my first attempt at any kind of video editing or narration. I was figuring out everything as I went, but at the end of the day I'm pretty happy that I got to get this much info crammed into such a short time period. Writing a book that will hopefully turn out a little bit more well rounded, but for now this is a quick delivery mechanism to get this information to people.

[Anonymous No.16061402]

>>16061394
i hope that isn't the cover because that just screams "self published on amazon".

[Anonymous No.16061428]

>>16061191
>There was this totally deluded notion concocted by some brainlet in the CIA that by giving somebody LSD you could turn them into a perfect Manchurian Candidate, some kind of brainwashed super-soldier kind of thing, fully compartmentalized, no free-will, that kind of thing.
Funny how Manson succeeded where the cia failed

[Anonymous No.16061431]

>>16061373
Agreed, I think that might actually be my first terence interview, that was on youtube way back in the day. I remember watching it in my dormitory rec room in highschool. Shortly after stumbled upon this amazing website that is no longer up unfortunately.

https://web.archive.org/web/20170706065522/http://deoxy.org/mckenna.htm#word

Clicking around the hyperlinks on this site was like a psychedelic wikipedia 10 years ago. Had so much fun here.

Also ended up coming across the link to an archive of Terence's personal webpage. A little sad to go there, but maybe someone here will want to check it out.

http://www.levity.com/eschaton/tm.html

After that you can cheer yourself up with the McKenna Digital Revival Series by WPAHP, he's the guy who gave me the link.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwOcdj091QTY0UKo_HswouTgVKb5MXE7s

[Anonymous No.16061459]

>>16061402
It is self published, but only on Bitchute and the internet archive atm. It's for fair use, I borrow a fuck ton of footage so I can't make any money from it. I made it because I think that the information is important, even though I doubt that this doc is going to get much traction. Working on a book and going to try and see if I can present this stuff in a marginally more serious and academic tone.

The doc is really just a condensed meme version of the really important parts, that is hopefully entertaining and informative.

[Anonymous No.16061534]

>>16060781
Ah fuck man Elon Musk is gonna end up being president in 30 years isn't he

[Anonymous No.16061915]

>>16060497
>i can't figure out if Terence Mckenna was extremely intelligent or retarded
say what you will about his original ideas, but he obviously had a very high IQ and was extremely well-read if you listen to any of his lectures outside of the "DUDE PSYCHDELICS LMAO" stuff. His stuff about alchemy and hermeticism is the best intro to the subject that exists.

[Anonymous No.16062063]

>>16060514
Do you not have 4chan-x? Are you tech-illiterate.
How can you browse this place without it.

[Anonymous No.16062102]

>>16061394
Jesus dude fix the cover for something more sober if you want people to take your work somewhat serious. Interesting subject though, hope you did it justice

[Anonymous No.16062104]

>>16061534
>Born in south Africa

[Anonymous No.16062193]

>>16062102
I'm one guy with a normal job, and really not that much graphic design or video editing experience. I do have patrician taste though, and I basically have been mentally downloading every piece of data I can scrape from the internet about psychedelics and politics for like 10 years. It has yielded some interesting results but you have to make it through my autismo. Like I said book will be better and done under a completely different title. Anons who I've shared the doc with will be in the know though if my book blows up. I'll be citing a lot of the same ancient sources in my book, and it's essentially the same with analysis with more coverage of the greeks and classical antiquity.

[Anonymous No.16062268]

Either a CIA agent or another New Age bullshitter. Yawn

[Anonymous No.16062270]

>>16060497
Literally retarded but has a photographic memory. Good for him. He was so close to the answer but purely lacked the IQ required to access the knowledge that was available in his time. Hermeticism is correct, but magic is not magic. It's misunderstood quantum phenomenon.

[Anonymous No.16062312]

>>16060593
hapsburg post

[Anonymous No.16062372]

>>16060886

Based

[Anonymous No.16062757]

>>16061007
A real thinker.
He may got many things wrong but got many other right yet the modern academy can't even stand to hear his name. This alone is a sign that he should be considered and respected.

[Anonymous No.16062764]

>>16060497
Unabomber + DMT. Dude was nuts.

[Anonymous No.16062779]

>>16060497
>extremely intelligent or retarded
Schizos are usually very intelligent, and can be very charming and coherent if you happen to buy into their particular schizoworld
Pro-tip: Not taking your medication when you start to believe in machine elves is very, very retarded

[Anonymous No.16063383]

>>16060497
He was very well-read, eloquent and good at describing things. When it comes to explaining the psychedelic experience he's incredible. However he had this really romanticized hippie projection on the past with believing we were all living in matriarchies and having orgies on mushrooms. If you listen to his rants on masculinity and the goddess and blah blah he sounds like a cringe modern day male feminist. Hippies are that way

[Anonymous No.16063489]

>>16060672
bro you're pretty insightful yourself
I just wanted to tell u that

[Anonymous No.16064135]

>>16061330
>I basically prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that the whole bible is the story of a Psychedelic Mushroom Drug cult
and what of the idea of abrahamic religions birthing itself from platonism and neoplatonism? It's very clear socratic philosophy and platonism stem from the logos and not from any psychedelic use.
I'm only 5 minutes into your video, and I have put some thought into abrahamic religions being stemmed from psychedelic use, but its something I've always disregarded because of the stark differences between them and eastern philosophy/religions which CLEARLY stem from psychedelic use. Greco-egyptian thought also has a clear indication of this method but it's becoming increasingly clear the corpus hermeticum was written 300 or so years after the birth of (so called) Jesus.

[Anonymous No.16064690]

>>16060781
paragraph 1 is a good take
paragraph 2 is nonsense
>>16060828
how? it's clear he was sometimes uncomfortable with his role as a symposiarch to retards. and probably he felt intimately connected to that subculture and didn't want to leave or denounce it despite getting older. you have to imagine that he had trouble reconciling his true thoughts with the intimacy he felt for hippie youths.

[Anonymous No.16065283]

>>16060672
I took LSD on sunday and tried to articulate a theory of exactly what you are describing that's been latent in my mind. It contains some petersonspeak but this board doesn't seem to seethe at him as much anymore so ill share. I was mostly trying to communicate it verbally to my friend but I couldn't manage so I wrote this out when he went to bed while I was coming down.

(1/2)
>You were born from nature
>Nature is the womb
>Nature is the matrix
>The womb is the matrix
>The matrix is potential
>Mother nature gave birth to your potential

>(You) is born with perspective
>Perspective is the amalgamation of matrix and value
>Value is structured hierarchically
>God is that towards which a true system of values is oriented
>God is the principle of competence across all hierarchies
>God is true and perfect perspective
>God is consciousness as such
>Consciousness gives birth to being and is being

>Men who fear death cannot detach from desire
>Men who love god cannot fear death
>All men need is belief in God/detachment from desire for the moment to not be unbearably sufferable

>An individual embodies their true potential by embodying truth
>An individual confronts potential with truth
>Individuals are guided by the light and thus are conscious and fully awake
>God is the principle of reality that cannot be verified from within the matrix

>Individuals are in The Game
>The game is the next phase of reality
>The game begins when (you) becomes individual

>Non-individuals dissolve into the matrix when their bodies die and are thus eternally separated from god and being
>Non-individuals are not saved and never truly exist (NPC meme basically)

>The saviour of humanity (messiah) gives birth to consciousness and is consciousness
>The messiah is that which confronts unknown potential with truth and courage using minimal necessary force

>The soul is the astral body
>The individual embodies/becomes their soul, thus becoming themselves

>The individual is an actual being

>Individuals are responsible for the fate of mankind and eternity

>Jesus is king and lord among all individuals

>If the hero is not reborn, humanity will not be saved

[Anonymous No.16065328]

>>16060514
That's just Jung.

[Anonymous No.16065340]

>>16060673
>more insightful than Jung, Heidegger or Husserl

[Anonymous No.16065395]

>>16065283
(2/2)
>The material story is that [You(physical entity in relationship to physical)] was born from the womb on a journey to God(who manifested as Jesus)

>The metaphysical story is that [You(spiritual entity with relationship to spiritual forces)] was born from the earth on a journey to enlightenment

>In order to reach (God/the light), you have to let go of [the anima(Her/desire)]

>The Next story is that [You(physcially/spiritually consolidated)] was born from the [matrix(womb/earth)] on a journey to [consciousness(god/the light)]

>The Next story is The Game and the beginning of the end

[Anonymous No.16065417]

>>16065395

[Anonymous No.16065527]

>>16065417
>>16065395
>>16065283
Also during my experience I had complete belief that people who begin "The Game" have access to the highest of human talents including abilities that defy what is contituated as physically possible.

[Anonymous No.16065674]

>>16060781
>>16060886
McKenna was an anarchist, and anti-ideology. The alt-right, whether it has some valid points, is nothing special and offers nothing new. It uses the same identity politics crap of the left, just change the name of your favorite and hated teams. Terence waited for the leaping into hyperspace and the dissolution of all boundaries, I don't he would be impressed by frog posters who fantasize about white 1950's family life in their ethno states.

[Anonymous No.16065782]

>>16060569
based fellow EIR

[Anonymous No.16066351]

>>16061056
And Jim Morrison's father was the admiral who claimed the maddox was under attack during the gulf of tonkin incident. A lot of these guys, leary, etc, glow in the dark, and I'm starting to think the whole sixties counterculture was a massive psyop given all the laurel canyon connections between 60's "counterculture" figures and U.S. military intelligence.
It sucks too, because I really wanna like a lot of that music

[Anonymous No.16066428]

>>16060569
>>16065782
May I join the club? I'm R, but not sure if also EI.. although it's dumb, IQ is the only measure we have.. so would <1% IQ be enough?

[Anonymous No.16067425]

>>16060609
>>16060636
>>16060654
Plebs filteredddd. Based post!

[Anonymous No.16067442]

>>16060919

That picture really brings home the trump comparison

Everyone is in military attire and he's dressed in a top hat three piece suit with wool coattail

His haircut desperately trying to grasp to his youth.

His facial expression completely glazed. Barely even there.

[Anonymous No.16067600]

>>16061363
>>16061277
>>16061064
>>16061074
thanks

[Anonymous No.16067661]

>>16062104
Worked out for Obama

[Anonymous No.16067721]

>>16060781
>IMO I think this is why he started having bad trips at the end of his career.
>and I think he got super black-pilled just before falling ill.
I think you're thinking about the story about the bad trips he had in the jungle one time, where he went catatonic and kept repeating the words "a lack of all meaning." I think Dennis has stated that the experience made Terence stop doing mushrooms more than once or twice a year. But that was early in his life. He still continued to trip, and if I'm not mistaken he did advocate to "when you get the message, hang up the phone." Anyway I really doubt that he was so cynical and ungrateful about the whole thing. I remember hearing him say something about the talks he did at raves and stuff and he did admit that it was a purposely simplified and more entertaining-oriented version of his spiel, but he didn't seem to be that contemptuous towards it.

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>>16065328
Okay neat. What book do I get?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.16067747]

>>16067661
The man was born in Hawaii. There’s no connection to South Africa even.

[Anonymous No.16067795]

>>16065395
I get exactly what you mean by ‘The Game’. Have you looked into buddhism?

[Anonymous No.16069535]

>>16060819

This is a good book

[Anonymous No.16069579]

>>16060672
>>I personally think that a lot of what he said about "The End of History" is more prescient than people realize. We are coming to a moment of total singularity of consciousness on our planet where we will inevitably be forced into adopting a unified paradigm, or killing ourselves.
yeah humanists are a mistake and morons

[Anonymous No.16069588]

>>16065283
>>You were born from nature
>>Nature is the womb
>>Nature is the matrix
>>The womb is the matrix
>>The matrix is potential
>>Mother nature gave birth to your potential
>
>>(You) is born with perspective
>>Perspective is the amalgamation of matrix and value
> >Value is structured hierarchically
>>God is that towards which a true system of values is oriented
>>God is the principle of competence across all hierarchies
>>God is true and perfect perspective
>>God is consciousness as such
>>Consciousness gives birth to being and is being
this is incredibly cliché and parroting the hippies

[Anonymous No.16069602]

>>16061251>>16061264

>>The best part about this whole story though is that ultimately, LSD and the rise of the psychedelic culture ultimately has done more for dismantling the bullshit indoctrination that has crippled this country since the post WWII war. Without this massive cultural movement, we would be in a much more precarious situation. Ever notice how the alt-right is absolutely filled with pot smokers? We are the re-manifestation of the 1960's counter-culture, and the psychedelic meme-magic period was the clearest and most obvious manifestation of that. However the Jewish community has rallied to shut down our ideological program, and now it is very hard to find any online space where these counter-cultural sentiments are be expressed clearly without shills coming in to say hateful shit.
I hate Hedonists so much

[Anonymous No.16069895]

>>16067795
I have yes but life hasnt been kind so I haven't had time to start reading. I've read the Tao and some of the Bible and I go to uni for psych and philosophy.

[Anonymous No.16069909]

>>16069588
I understand completely how it comes off as cliche but the linguistic patterns have to be established for the concept to be described. The point is basically that because objects are percieved as tools these linguistic concepts are isomorphically identical which is fundamentally relevant.

[Anonymous No.16069918]

>>16067737
Well start off with being knowledgeable and having a firm basis in the Western tradition. Then go through the Jung reading order and soon enough get to "Psychological Types" which talks about it, as well as his three or four main works in later life like Mysterium Coniunctionis which of course more talk about dualism and opposites and such.

One thing to remember is that woman is not object-oriented, she is not rational, where man is, she does not need a reason for anything. The definitions of things are not exact, she does not follow male morality as such, but by her feelings, the "law of the land" as Hegel put Clytemnestra killing Agamemnon in Aeschylus' Oresteia. And yes Hegel talks about this but I doubt you would be quite ready for him. But overall this is why woman is not directly affected by modernity, she does not have any true "existential crisis" or suffering or despair over modernity, she can only be affected indirectly by modernity, such as through man, her practical need to now get a job and inability to have a family for example. Even the idea of a duality in woman cannot be spoken of in the same way as man. But nevertheless this is babble speak and enjoy Jung.

[Anonymous No.16069951]

>>16060514
>>16060497
Cringy wow so deep! takes that everyone has thought about when they were a teenager.

>>16060497
his entire act is a DUDE DRUGS cope

[Anonymous No.16069962]

>>16061007
His lectures on youtube inspire me to make art. He put me onto other writer's like Phillip K Dick, Robert Anton Wilson, and Herman Hesse.

I find his ideas about using mushrooms as a tool to explore ourselves to be useful, almost like a trip guide. I haven't taken heroic doses like he suggests but I can see how it can be useful for some.

What do you think about him?

[Anonymous No.16069971]

>>16061056
>>16061075
Learn your history. The CIA literally fed random people LSD in consciousness/brainwashing experimentation with the help of the military. Civilians and military men. I say experimentation rather than experiments because oftentimes it was exactly as I described: random people going about their lives having their food spiked or tricked into taken it by doctors, university professors, etc. All major universities were complicit and most of their ideologies are controlled or invented by the CIA being as they, historically, have worked closely with government agencies.

[Anonymous No.16070000]

>>16060514
Anyone with any clinical experience knows this is pure nonsense. Read the Deeps of deliverance by Frederik van Eeden if you need an example, he was a psychiatrist by profession.

Melancholia is not exclusive to men or women, though the way in which it is expressed may differ.

[Anonymous No.16070024]

>>16061394
It's not just the Abrahamic religions supposedly Krishna was modeled on the Psilocybin's blue bruising it's really interesting to read about different mushrooms personified characteristics the other one is Santa Claus and the Amanita muscaria

[Anonymous No.16070044]

>>16070000
mmmm

[Anonymous No.16070087]

>>16060497
I wish some fiction writer would take up this idea of Terence's
https://youtu.be/YSticX_UYDU

[Anonymous No.16070113]

>>16060497
It's hard to take someone as a "genius" when they drug themselves stupid. I think it should be a rule we only take thinkers and innovators seriously who are straight edge and don't drink or do drugs ever.

[Anonymous No.16070115]

>>16060593
This is literally a "retard tries to sound intelligent and interesting but nah he's just a retard" the post.

[Anonymous No.16070188]

>>16060514
Evolution being reverse entropy is stuff that any Rick and Morty fan can say.

Though Schrodinger had more interesting stuff to say about the life in Physics' terms.

[Anonymous No.16070420]

>>16070113
that would make for a mentally limited human. nearly all great minds throughout history had experience with mind altering substances.

[Anonymous No.16070449]

>>16060593
lol

[Anonymous No.16070519]

>>16061534
I for one welcome our new blood-diamond overlord

[Anonymous No.16070548]

>>16061007
He is interesting, I don’t know why people think they have the right to say he was wrong about a lot of things. Seems like they just want to feel superior to him by saying that, they probably think of themselves as the true McKenna or something crazy

[Anonymous No.16070791]

>>16061007
he was a speaking mushroom. he understood the illusion of polarities and wanted for the sake of love to transmit that sacred knowledge to the people.

[Anonymous No.16072064]

bump

[Anonymous No.16072290]

>>16060593
lol

[Anonymous No.16072332]

>>16070115
>literally a
describes an experience personal to him as a method of perception

>>16060593
I don't agree with this post but a lot of NPCs got triggered for some reason.