/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16060213]

This board is over, and the moderation won't do anything about it.

The only solution is to create a philosophy board and send all political philosophy discussions there. Thus, we'd have /pol/, a board for discussion of political events; and /litpol/, a board for discussion of political theory.

As for /lit/, it should be entirely confined to discussions of real literature, real philosophy (epistemology, metaphysics, meta-ethics, Platonism, Kant - though all of this could easily be sent over to /his/), language-learning, book recommendations, literature-related news.
Politics shouldn't be entirely banned, but it should stay totally within the context of literature - thus, if Houellebecq says something politically incorrect, this is worthy of being posted here, because it is of literary interest (helping us to better understand his work and the person who created those works); but a thread saying ''prove Marx wrong!'' or ''prove Mussolini wrong!'' should not be tolerated, but moved to /litpol/ instead. Another example: one can discuss, say, the influence of identity politics in the teaching of Classics in America; but not identity politics per se, as a lone subject of political inquiry, for then it stops having anything to do with literature.

Of course none of that will happen.

I predict that every single one of you will be entirely contrary to my idea, laugh at me, this thread will be moved away, and /lit/ will remain in shambles, as it has been for well over a year now, maybe much more, I don't really remember.

This is sad, because it means there's really no place for true discussion of literature on the internet anymore. Everything has turned into politics, and can be essentially reduced to Trump vs. Bernie. Absolutely everything.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.16060226]

>This board is canceled!

[Anonymous No.16060227]

Meh, just ignore the shitposts. Works for me

[Anonymous No.16060237]

I too miss the days when you could develop a good and idiosyncratic Messiah complex but I've also seen this thread before, Jesuah. I'd recommend you Nick Hornsby's How to Be Good, but being omniscient you've probably already read that one.

[Anonymous No.16060240]

>>16060213
You can hide threads. What's the difference?

[Anonymous No.16060241]

>>16060226
You're quite easily the worst poster on the board. You never post about literature, of which you know next to nothing.

>>16060227
I try to do that, but it's hard, specially when the good posts are around 20% of the total, or less, or much less.

[Anonymous No.16060242]

>>16060237
*Hornby
Forgive us mere mortals

[Anonymous No.16060254]

>>16060227
But if OP doesn't post every five minutes, how will we know he exists? It's like a kid riding a bicycle: they only believe they rode with no hands once their mom sees them going "look mom no hands!" OP doesn't disappear to read books when there's nothing here, he just simply disappears.

[Anonymous No.16060263]

>>16060213
The rules need to be enforced, easy as that.
animefags don't like it because /lit/ is their safe space from being bullied on anime boards.
But the problem is not the quality of the posts but the quality of the people who browse this board which has declined.

[Anonymous No.16060281]

>>16060263
/a/ is better at gatekeeping than /lit/. We would be lucky to have them

[Anonymous No.16060282]

Sneed

[Anonymous No.16060288]

>>16060254
I probably read way more than you do.

But, as I predicted, the overall reaction to my proposal has been quite negative. Why? Simply because most posters come here solely for the political talk.

I strongly believe that most of you do not read literature. Furthermore, I suspect a large percentage of the board to be monolingual, which is the greatest sin a reader of literature can commit - or the second greatest, after the sin of reading mediocrities.

[Anonymous No.16060296]

>>16060263
Pretty much, I agree.

>/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.
>Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

The rules are already there, it's just that the moderation isn't willing to enforce them.

[Anonymous No.16060302]

The idea I like. Allowing people to discuss political theory without clogging this board is great.

But the Nazis and the Commies are deciding the brawl it out.

[Anonymous No.16060309]

>>16060213
>As for /lit/, it should be entirely confined to discussions of real literature,
>language-learning, book recommendations, literature-related news.
yes
>real philosophy (epistemology, metaphysics, meta-ethics, Platonism, Kant - though all of this could easily be sent over to /his/),
oh god i hate those people. this is why we made /his/ in the first place, so the navel gazers would fuck off there, but they didn't like it so they stayed here to shit the place up instead.

[Anonymous No.16060310]

>>16060213
The posters crying about muh pol are the worst fucking offenders, go fuck off to some website and bitch, nigger.

[Anonymous No.16060311]

>>16060213
You're not wrong.

[Anonymous No.16060312]

>>16060288
>I probably read way more than you do.
Obviously not comprehensively as Lurk moar is a pretty basic precept to grasp even if one were monolingual.

[Anonymous No.16060326]

>>16060213
/lit/ is destined to go the way of /his/, no quality posts just political shitposting hidden under barely board related threads. Reddit, /pol/, and /leftpol/ niggers have killed 4chan.

[Anonymous No.16060327]

>>16060213
>This is sad,

Stop whining you prissy faggot. If the "decline of /lit/" matters to you this much, try logging off and doing something useful. Read a fucking book instead. You've been here long enough to get all the recommendations you need, now fuck off and return sporadically to call people niggers like I do.

[Anonymous No.16060331]

>>16060213
This, if 4chan does NOT do this, it will mean the end of /lit/.

Mods better do at least one good thing.

[Anonymous No.16060332]

>>16060213
I only started visiting this board 3 years ago and only noticed it's slow descent in the past year or so as well, anon. A change would be very welcome.

[Anonymous No.16060341]

>>16060326
/his/ was created because the mods listened to OP's suggestions (though language learning was always /int/ for living languages and still is)
/his/ is exactly what you get if you follow OP's suggestions.

[Anonymous No.16060357]

>>16060326
Redditors are so fucking lame for having discussions like that. They crave 4chan's validation so bad, yet look down on the website as a whole.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.16060359]

>>16060241
>You never post about literature that I want you to...

All the threads I ever start are about literature. And they’re usually ignored for the most part. It never occurred to you we just read different books?

[Anonymous No.16060365]

Economic theory should be /his/ problem

[Anonymous No.16060367]

/his/ is history and HUMANITIES, nothing is stopping you from taking the philosophical discussions over there

[Anonymous No.16060375]

>>16060327
>Read a fucking book instead

I read enough already. Around 60 books so far this year, in six different languages (actually seven, but the provençal one was just a very short collection of troubadour poems).

>You've been here long enough to get all the recommendations you need

I am one of the guys giving the recommendations. Guess what? No one follows them, no one reads anymore, everything has been reduced to politics - and the shallowest type of politics, which is contemporary North-American politics, i.e., Trump vs. Bernie.

[Anonymous No.16060377]

>>16060341
/his/ used to be good, now it's just a battle grounds for /pol/ and /leftypol/. Every single thread is about ww2, and or race baiting.

[Anonymous No.16060381]

>>16060213
I think that's the cycle of the newfags.
They discover a new site that has an intellectual flavor to it.
the first 3 weeks or so is full time lowe effort posts, then shitpost then when they start "reading" they complain that the catalog is full of shitposts from other newfags.
I'm not saying is your case but it's certainly a plausible scenario.
the mature thing to do is no stop using this site. or restrict it's use to a few minutes a day, because it will not get better.

[Anonymous No.16060382]

>>16060375
based

[Anonymous No.16060385]

>>16060367
>Just go to the other board ruined by politics
EPIC

[Anonymous No.16060386]

>>16060359
>All the threads I ever start are about literature. And they’re usually ignored for the most part.

Which proves my point.
But I only ever saw you post about politics, regardless. Maybe I haven't paid enough attention.

[Anonymous No.16060396]

>>16060375
>counting provençal as a separate language
Are occitan and French two of the other six?
>I am one of the guys giving the recommendations. Guess what? No one follows them
You might be giving shit recs. I've accidentally made board memes we're all sick of to the point where anons feel compelled to read it to find out if those jokes are really in the book or not.

[Anonymous No.16060403]

>>16060386
tripfag is lying, no one has ever seen that book posted before.
And his posts are still extremely low quality. Literally greentext of a fragment of book.

[Anonymous No.16060404]

>>16060377
>his/ used to be good
You're either pretending to be old very badly or have no standards

[Anonymous No.16060414]

>>16060375
If that's true you are a good example of why reading books isn't enough. Stop reading books. Your faggot mindset requires a more radical cure. I suggest a George Floyd dose of fentanyl.

[Anonymous No.16060417]

>>16060396
Only French.

>You might be giving shit recs.

No, I only give very good recommendations.

[Anonymous No.16060425]

>>16060403
No, butterfly posts Pater all the time. But since it's butterfly posting it, nobody reads it. Which is a pity because Pater's pretty seminal in late Victorian/ early modernist taste. It's similar to how scientologists being crazy people stopped anyone from listening to them when they were telling everyone big pharma is probably evil.

[Anonymous No.16060428]

>>16060404
Compared to what it is now it was a great board.

[Anonymous No.16060434]

>>16060425
it could be true, i have his tripcode filtered

[Anonymous No.16060435]

>>16060404
>old

/his/ is like 3 years old.

[Anonymous No.16060436]

>>16060386
Please. Butterfly is one of the worst posters on this board. Her average post length is less than two sentences. The problem is not with the rules. This pollution with low-information, low-effort posts like hers removes any incentive for high-quality posters to interact with others, as their posts get flooded away and ignored.

>>16060425
Maybe she should actually post her thoughts about the books she posts instead of empty one-liners?

[Anonymous No.16060437]

>>16060417
m8 come on, you were just talking about reading the French version of Shakespeare's balcony scene like a proud schoolboy.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.16060438]

>>16060403
>And his posts are still
Who are you talking about now?

[Anonymous No.16060446]

>>16060436
>Maybe she should actually post her thoughts about the books she posts instead of empty one-liners
>Maybe her thoughts will get better if she types more of them
No. We're just going to have to accept the only way anyone from this board will pick up Pater is from Wilde's prison letters.

[Anonymous No.16060449]

>>16060437
I have read that in Portuguese and English only...

[Anonymous No.16060458]

>>16060436
butterfly has individuated tastes and opinions, though. I would honestly take a board of tripfags over a thousand faceless memers

[Anonymous No.16060467]

>>16060449
Shakespeare's scene is a translation of a common French aube of the period Only it's set in Bethune not Verona, obviously.

[Anonymous No.16060469]

>>16060458
then go to reddit you fucking simp nigger

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.16060470]

>>16060436
>I require essay lengths from others
>I am exempt however
Idiot complaint. I put effort into some post And it’s just ignored or picked apart by so e cranky autism like yours.

[Anonymous No.16060474]

>>16060213
Post favourite books.
Post last three effortposts.
Otherwise go back to rrteddit you whining faggot.

[Anonymous No.16060476]

>>16060469
I said tripfags, not redditors. you can count on on them to at least be coming from somewhere instead of just pullulating out of meme vacuum energy like you faggots

[Anonymous No.16060479]

>Not filtering tripniggers instantly and never seeing their posts
Cringe.

[Anonymous No.16060485]

>>16060281
But this board is so fucking flooded with faggotry its over whelming to even try.

[Anonymous No.16060494]

>>16060213
>Trump vs. Bernie

wtf are you talking about dude, are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.16060498]

>>16060281
>/a/ gatekeeping
>99% of threads are shounenshit generals
They failed a long time ago.

[Anonymous No.16060500]

Politics isn’t literature anyways. There’s a little bit of moderation going on today, why the fuck aren’t they deleting the (obviously made by discord trannies or r ddit brigades) Marxist threads? Fuck off with that bearded piece of shit, he couldn’t hack it as a writer

[Anonymous No.16060502]

>>16060281
W-what? The board is overrun with coomers, the SnK threads have been NON-STOP shipfaggotry for over a year. It's over friend

[Anonymous No.16060503]

>>16060326
that picture you uploaded is proof niggers are terrible people and people that disagree are very pathetic people that can not stand other opinions and if had power would silence you for anything they don't like. They are sick.

[Anonymous No.16060515]

>>16060498
>>16060502
in my defense I haven't had a TV to watch anime on for about seven years, so I'm not up to date

[Anonymous No.16060516]

>>16060213
You are completely in the right Op but as you said such a thing will never happen. The mods don't care. There are always many off-topic threads and even after reporting them they are still up for a very long time.
Imo the only problem with your idea is to allow politics within literary context. Because the thread will eventually become a political discussion about that particular argument rather than to be literary related in any way. So I would even be more radical than you and ban political threads of ever kind straight away.

[Anonymous No.16060518]

>>16060467
I don't believe it's one of his best plays. His writing was still too much under the influence of Renaissance (Petrarchist) conventions and the emotional effusions approach more those of melodrama than those dignified reactions towards adversities that we find in, say, Greek tragedy (where melodrama was nearly unknown, at least until the time of Euripides).
Maybe I am being unfair. It's been more than ten years since I have last read it.

>>16060474
Homer (in different translations), Catullus, Dante, Petrarch, Camões, António Vieira, Cervantes, Shakespeare, Voltaire...

>Post last three effortposts.

This thread contains some of them, from last week (I don't come here everyday anymore): >>/lit/thread/S16009920#p16009980

[Anonymous No.16060520]

>>16060479
based newfags don't know how to dougie

[Anonymous No.16060524]

>>16060516
>ban political threads of every kind straight away.
this is the only way out of this mess

[Anonymous No.16060526]

>>16060498
But they are confined to those threads which you can easily filter newfag. And if try to enter proper threads their posts will be removed or they will be banned.

[Anonymous No.16060530]

>>16060518
>I don't believe it's one of his best plays
Why would your opinion be worthwhile when you're clearly missing large chunks of info about it from an area of study you specifically chose to showboat over? You seem to be surviving on name-drops and the hope your interlocutor hasn't read them. I stand by what I said about your ability to read with any comprehension.

[Anonymous No.16060535]

>>16060526
>confined to those threads
>he actually believes this

[Anonymous No.16060546]

>>16060535
it's not our problem that anime attracts the mentally retarded.

[Anonymous No.16060572]

>>16060530
>an area of study you specifically chose to showboat over

What? Romeo and Juliet? It's you who started talking about it, mistaking me for another poster. I then casually mentioned what I think of it, and even added that I last read it... 10 years ago, and that therefore my judgement might not be worth paying attention to because "Maybe I am being unfair".
It was a casual response to your mentioning Romeo and Juliet in relation to my person.

[Anonymous No.16060585]

>>16060296
>Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/
>the rules are already there
This is by definition an indefinable rule.

[Anonymous No.16060594]

>>16060585
> but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer
not even trying

[Anonymous No.16060605]

>>16060213
>real philosophy
Political philosophy is real philosophy.
>epistemology, metaphysics, meta-ethics, Platonism, Kant
All of these have political implications.

[Anonymous No.16060608]

>>16060585
Marx, hitler, evola, JP, and hegel go to /his/, everything else stays here

[Anonymous No.16060626]

>>16060605
>Political philosophy is real philosophy.

[Anonymous No.16060637]

>>16060605
>Political philosophy is real philosophy.

Which should be reserved to /pol/ or /his/.

>All of these have political implications.

Which should be reserved to /pol/ or /his/. Only the literary implications should stay here.

[Anonymous No.16060810]

>>16060470
Fuck off. You intentionally stir shit and derail threads. I remember the Flashman thread where you tried doing exactly this but got btfo.

[Anonymous No.16060826]

I wish there was a Spiritual/Religion/Metaphysical board. Fucking Shankara posts every other day.

[Anonymous No.16060840]

>>16060470
>>16060226
>>16060359
https://archived.moe/lit/thread/15793370

[Anonymous No.16060841]

>>16060470
SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP TURNING EVERY THREAD INTO A CONVERSATION BETWEEN YOU AND SOME GUY CALLING YOU A RETARD

JUST WALK AWAY FROM ONE GODDAMN SOURCE OF ATTENTION FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE, BE THE BIGGER DYKE AND STOP REPLYING

[Anonymous No.16060846]

>>16060470
>>16060226
>>16060359
https://archived.moe/lit/thread/15793370/#q15794101

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.16060852]

>>16060810
Every fucking time you turds trot out the old Flashman it’s the same old song and dance.
I decided to pull a little more detail out of someone. “Derail”? That’s how you see it. You walk around with manure shoved up your nose, that’s what you’ll smell all the time.

>>16060841
>He said as he turned yet another thread into a ...
Wait. A conversation? HEAVEN FORBID
NOT A CONVERSATION!!!!!
Learn to communicate. All of you. You’re shit at it.

[Anonymous No.16060853]

>>16060852
https://archived.moe/lit/thread/15793370/#q15794101

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.16060902]

>>16060810
Every fucking time you turds trot out the old Flashman it’s the same old song and dance.
I decided to pull a little more detail out of someone. “Derail”? That’s how you see it. You walk around with manure shoved up your nose, that’s what you’ll smell all the time.

[Anonymous No.16060938]

>>16060226
fuck off niggerfly

[Anonymous No.16060946]

>>16060902
https://archived.moe/lit/thread/15793370/#q15794101

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.16060976]

>>16060938
What about the little boy running around with shit on his fingers shoving them everywhere?
Why are his actions my fault?

[Anonymous No.16061062]

It's pretty much all boards now. The rules are mostly ok but they never get enforced. I even kind of welcome other kinds of shitposting now, because at least it's not /pol/ crap.

[Anonymous No.16061065]

>>16060976
https://archived.moe/lit/thread/15793370/#q15794101

[Anonymous No.16061069]

>>16060902
You haven't read it. You entered that thread solely to derail it. I recall a thread about critiques of anarchism where the same thing happened.

[Anonymous No.16061102]

>>16060213
>let's make a philosophy containment board
>and then talk about philosophy non-stop on /lit/
Fuck you to hell. /lit/ should be exclusively dedicated to the literary forms of the novel, poem, short story, and play.

[Anonymous No.16061110]

>>16061102
play with my dick and balls retard

[Anonymous No.16061540]

>>16060359
Because your posts suck ass

[Anonymous No.16061564]

>>16060213
Ban all fictionfags

[jesus No.16061575]

>>16060213
fuck literature. fuck books. fuck you. number of books with essential knowledge is less than 10, and people mostly ignore them. your fucking reading is fetish. did you read tolstoyevsky? checkbox. stupid boring incels.

[Anonymous No.16061693]

classicsfags ruined /lit/ a long time ago, treating literature like a speedrun. which is why this is now a board full of 21 y.o. shut-ins who need help picking their next dostoyevsky novel. poltardery is just a natural extension of this reactionary itch

[Anonymous No.16061868]

The mods should ban frog posting. -eyerolling

[Anonymous No.16062013]

>>16060213
You cant peacefully coexist with /pol/, Moot was an spineless libertarian and now we have to suffer for it....

[Anonymous No.16062019]

>>16060226
Of all the people in the /lit/osphere in the last decade you are by far the worst.

[Anonymous No.16062020]

There are too many fascist and /pol/ types here, as long as they're here. I'm gonna piss them off.

Also how are you gonna make a /lit/ board without philosophy and politics, those things are inheritly to literature

[Anonymous No.16062443]

>>16062020
>>16062013
Why do you not go to R*ddit?

I don't understand why people like you insist on coming here.

I am a classical liberal, which is one of the furthest things from a fascist, but I know to recognize 4chan's nature and I have learned to accept it. I would never dream of going on /r/socialism to start spamming JS Mill, John Gray, and Nassim Taleb. I just stay away from it, because I recognize its nature.

It's people like you who start the political spams as a reaction to what you perceive as "not cool" and "totally not ok". You're the cancer that's killing this board.

[Anonymous No.16062479]

>>16060213
this is literally a safespace for shitposters you absolute mong. reddit might be more your speed if you want "Serious" discussion

[Anonymous No.16062501]

>>16060226
Based Butters still making newfags and pseuds seethe into current year and beyond

[Anonymous No.16062506]

>>16060226

[Anonymous No.16062511]

>>16060518
Wow I think you're the only one who's ever linked his effortpost.
You can have your criticism anon, although I disagree. Literature is nothing without religion and philosophy.

[Anonymous No.16062517]

I love ƷӜ̵̨̄Ƹ̵̡

[Sage No.16062523]

>>16062506
>very obviously not the same tripcode
what’s the point?

[Anonymous No.16062532]

>>16062020
>Also how are you gonna make a /lit/ board without philosophy and politics, those things are inheritly to literature

Just read the OP.

There's a difference between talking "identity politics in the specific book X" or "in the specific declarations of author X" and spamming threads about transgenderism, Jordan Peterson, The Guardian articles, and other such idiocies 24 hours a day, which is what you do.

I am even ready to accept threads about JK Rowling's tweets, as that is, at least in some way, connected to literature - bad children's literature though it may be. But just spamming "what do you think of Jordan Peterson?" or "try to refute Marx, protip you can't" threads 24 hours a day is most definitely not connected to it.

How many economic discussion have we had on /lit/? How many discussions about YouTubers? How is any of this related to the arts of poetry, theater and literary prose (short stories, novels, novelas, sermons, discourses, dialogues etc.)?

History is definitely MUCH CLOSER to literature than any of that Peterson/Zizek/Guenon/YouTube/Economics nonsense, and yet the discipline of History has now gotten its own board. Why can't the same happen to political theory (as opposed to political news, which is /pol/'s domain)?
Herodotus, Tacitus and Suetonius are real literature; Peterson and Zizek are real bullshit, and add nothing to this place.

[Anonymous No.16062548]

>>16060310

>pol whining because people don’t like him

Lol.

[Anonymous No.16062572]

>>16060213
You're a fucking idiot OP. Making /his/ was one of the worst things to happen to /lit/. You think /phi/ will be any better?

What happens is that the sincere posters no longer know where to post, and the shit posters who help keep threads alive (at a cost of course) get scattered.

Just because you notice an ass has two cheeks doesn't mean you sit it on two chairs. Look at /his/ I beg you to.