/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16034789]

I once had the retarded idea of inventing a "better me" and try to act like it, which made me have unlimited motivation and confidence. Some time later I forgot about this experience

Fast forward 1 year, I read Evola, he talks about transcendental confidence, making a higher state of existence and living in that state. Turns out I wasnt that much of a schizo after all, because I know first hand this works. How do I acquire it again bros? And how do I take it a step further?

Whats even weirder is how tf do humans have the capacity of willing concepts that are not related to them whatsoever. Its like having a buffet of personalities and your abillity to will them is the metaskill

[Anonymous No.16034806]

>>16034789
Place yourself in jbp (pbuh)'s belly of the beast. Idk wat are the best bellies (pbut) to inhabit but I think it's a good discussion.

[Anonymous No.16034824]

>>16034789
>Fast forward 1 year, I read Evola, he talks about transcendental confidence, making a higher state of existence and living in that state

Sorry for asking for spoonfeeding, but in what one of his works he exactly talks about it?

[Anonymous No.16034835]

>>16034824
Ride the tiger. He doesnt really say to "make" a higher state, he says the higher state already exists

[Anonymous No.16034836]

>>16034789
>How do I acquire it again bros? And how do I take it a step further?
Earnestness, honour, pride in its non-Biblical sense, Faith[in whatever it is that you believe].

[Anonymous No.16034843]

Is this what led him to walk casually in the middle of his city during a wwii bombing?

[Anonymous No.16034849]

>>16034836
I honestly believe this is the correct answer. The more I take a concept serious as really believing its real, the more it works

Thank you anon

[Anonymous No.16034867]

>>16034789
I don't think it's possible to arbitrarily choose to enter that state. If you enter it it fades away after a while and kick-starting it again is harder and harder. I had a mild manic episode so I know what he's talking about, and it's not sustainable - unless there is something you believe in strongly, that you put this effort of transcendence towards that goal.
Just talking out of personal experience.

[Anonymous No.16034900]

>>16034867
>If you enter it it fades away after a while and kick-starting it again is harder and harder

Its true that it fades away after a while but I had the opposite experience with kickstarting it. For me it was like a habit and the more I did it the easier it was to get in that state

[Anonymous No.16034902]

Read David and Elias Introductions to Philosophy
Or the Golden Verses of Pythagoras.
Or Corpus Hermeticum.
Or Plato's Last Days of Socrates, Phaedrus, Symposium, Gorgias, Republic, and Laws.
Or pic related
Or Epic of Gilgamesh

[Anonymous No.16034940]

How do I invent a persona and then become it? Is it just pure will?

[Anonymous No.16034951]

>>16034940

Yeah, I did this as a kid unknowingly. I kept having terrible nightmares, every single night, the same one. One day I decided, I was the nightmare, and inside my dream, I hunted down that which I feared.
It sounds cringy and edgy but it works. Saiid to yourself, believe it, feel it.

[Anonymous No.16034960]

>>16034849
>I honestly believe this is the correct answer.
Of course it is, I gave it.

Now get out there and be the good you want to see in the world.

[Anonymous No.16034973]

>>16034902
>>16034789

[Anonymous No.16034976]

>>16034900
Huh. Different. I think I could kick start it again but it would be an "empty" manic feeling. The energy without a porpuse. Also after a while I feel kinda dumb while feeling that energy. I become like a steam train, and I knock over stuff and people.

[Anonymous No.16034982]

>>16034960
Based

[Anonymous No.16035042]

>>16034789
Very interesting post OP. I want to better myself too, one example is to be more brave/courageous. How can i achieve this state you are taking about? Do I Just belive in it and act like it? That sounds like the typical fake it till you make it tips. There must be more to it than that. How can I reach this higher state of being?

[Anonymous No.16035081]

>>16035042
I would advise to creat a form, get used to that form over time, accept it as being real (because it is, your personality is itself a form) and finally be able to give up your entire current form (depersonalization) in order to will the new form (this can only be done with practice, and it takes time to master, the true metaskill)

[Anonymous No.16035106]

>>16035042
think about it this way anon, if you can conceive something more brave/courageous than yourself, doesn't it already mean its already possible to achieve it? How can you conceive a state of mind that is not real? Its only your attatchement to your current self that stops you from being the potential you want to be

[Anonymous No.16035184]

>>16035081
>>16035106
Not sure if both are same anon but i reply to both anyways. I have to admit im not sure i fully understand this. This is way sbove anything i have ever thought about before but as you Said earlier i just need to accept and most importantly belive in it. The more i belive the easier, right? I do have a lot of Evolas booka but i havent read any of them. Should i read any particulst of them or are there other works that are better suited? Can you tell me about your experience and how you did it again? Sorry for many questions anon.

[Anonymous No.16035254]

>>16035184
>The more i belive the easier, right

Not the same anon but whenever I practice making tulpas or thoughtforms in general, I dont believe they are real, I KNOW they are real. Then I just practice the habit of being with the form to get used to it and in the later stages I practice switching with it. I don't rush myself, being patient is very important for it to work

[Anonymous No.16035262]

>>16034835
Can you tell me the paragraph and the chapter? It's very important for me to know

[Anonymous No.16035263]

I think this is what Mishima did, invented himself and then acted liked that.

[Anonymous No.16035270]

>>16034789
Stop giving the secrets to the plebs, they are not worthy of it

[Anonymous No.16035275]

OP and some others have been talking about how it's difficult to sustain this state, but I think that if you apply the principles laid out here >>16034836 you'll find yourself in a less "manic" and more sustainable version of that state. The idea is to believe in yourself and your principles, while also believing that they are for you and you alone. You do not need to project them onto the world at large. You do not even need to tell anyone about them. You can live according to your principles and refuse to bend them for anyone else, except in the most pressing of circumstances.
One part of this is eliminating all competing influences in your mind. This means that you will have to abandon all notions of "cringe," "cool," "based," and so on. You will have to completely detach yourself from your milieu and be willing to be publicly mocked and laughed at in order to live your own way. Once you can be laughed at in public by a group of people without being bothered by it, you will have transcended.

[Anonymous No.16035283]

>>16035254
>Then I just practice the habit of being with the form to get used to it and in the later stages I practice switching with it.
Interesting. Ok, so first you create this new form that you want to become and then you let it bounce in your head for a while andgetting used to it before you transcend into actually being it? And how do you take the step of being it? Do you just act and think like the form and the rest comes natural? Maybe this is a hard question to answer.

[Anonymous No.16035292]

>>16035262
If it's so important you could just read the book.

[Anonymous No.16035303]

>>16035292
I have read it many times, in Italian, this is why I want to know.
I don't recall what you said in the OP, if anything, Evola talked about experimenting to find, at first, the main disposition of your psyche

[Anonymous No.16035305]

>>16035275
Thanks for sharing your thoughts anon, this helped me. Especially the part about abandoning all notions of "cringe" and so on.

[Anonymous No.16035331]

>>16035275
/thread

It takes balls to live in form you want

[Anonymous No.16035340]

>>16035283
>And how do you take the step of being it? Do you just act and think like the form and the rest comes natural? Maybe this is a hard question to answer.

You need to voluntarily be the form, and the more you get used to that form the more natural it will be. Thats why you need to get used to the form

[Anonymous No.16035342]

>>16035283
To become it, you first need to truly want to. Just "trying it out" or wanting to be courageous because you were told by your parents that courage is good will not do. You are changing your personality. You are killing your old self. Only when the will to change is truly within yourself will you be able to take the step. It's a journey.

[Anonymous No.16035345]

>>16035305
Things can be "cringe" - but only if you truly believe in them being so. If you believe in things because other people believe so it will remain a weak belief.

[Anonymous No.16035448]

>>16034973
Shiet negro, where do I get a copy from?

[Anonymous No.16035452]

>>16035448
Libgen

[Anonymous No.16035493]

>>16035452
No physical copy available? I abolutely hate reading prologed texts on a screen.

[Anonymous No.16035514]

>>16034789
I'd recommend reading Metaphysics of War. It seems to come from putting yourself under immense stress and not caring if it kills you, because death in pursuit of a goal is better than a life spent in stagnation.

[Anonymous No.16035528]

>>16035493
Get an ereader

[Anonymous No.16035536]

>>16035514
Not op but I have Metaphysics of War and some other of his works. I have not read any of them yet but is it okay for me to jump into Metaphysics of War without any previous knowledge?

[Anonymous No.16035641]

>>16035528
Disgusting. But I just skimmed the book. It's 95% egyptologist nonsense debating if a shitty bird means x or y while the actual debate is berely readable. Explain why you recommend it, what's the meat in it? I've read far too many shitty book recommendations on here to blindly waste my time.

[Anonymous No.16035716]

>>16035641
I never read that book lmao

[Anonymous No.16035968]

>>16035270
even if they had the secrets they wouldnt be able to use them because they're plebs

[Anonymous No.16036230]

>>16034789
Is this how you become the ubermench?

[Anonymous No.16036301]

>>16036230
yes

[Anonymous No.16036615]

>>16034789
How long after you invented "the better you" did you become it?

[Anonymous No.16036979]

>>16034789
But personal betterment runs contradictory to intrinsic nature; how can you justify it? You're creating a false version of yourself.

[Anonymous No.16037131]

>>16036979
Im not op but i will try to answer anyways. Personal betterment is the recongnition that something about yourself could be better. Look at it this way. You dont like the current white paint on your house, so you decide to repaint it to yellow. Its still the same house but better. Same could be said abbout self betterment. Its still the same you but better than the old you.

[Anonymous No.16037664]

Bump! This is important thread.

[Anonymous No.16037732]

>>16035042
Henosis. Allow yourself to be a medium through which the archetype manifests. Unfortunately, the demons already manifesting through you do not want that to occur. It requires faith.

[Anonymous No.16037797]

>>16037664
danke fren

[Anonymous No.16037819]

>>16037732
This didnt tell me too much im afraid. Very cryptic. Do I need to expell the demons out of me before i can even think of achieving this higher form of being? Demons being too much internet, porn, consumerism, hedonism etc.

[Anonymous No.16037884]

>>16034789
I've found as someone who's always trapped in their head and thinking and contemplating 24/7 that it helps to ask yourself rather than ask your mind.

>What would anon do? What should anon do?

You start to see yourself as the most immediate concept for behaviour and function, some of it mundane, some of it deep and existential.

You need to know yourself very well, not just the "book smarts" of the head and all the little ways you have figured out you work and function. Focus more on a central concept to tie everything into and make that a person.

Sounds like egoism but it's the first step. To finding deeper and better selves. A self is an axis for which all the other components spin, make it sturdy and meaningful.

Like last night I was bouta coom to porn and was like:
>what would anon do? (That me being the better me with better behavior)

And I did this all night and acted better overall with everything I did as a result cause I was my own judge.

Study more Evola (and astrology and hermeticism) more for the Solar and Lunar functions.

Solar being truly masculine and a state of being and life and an axis for all things to spin by

Lunar being truly feminine, reactive and reflective and sensual tryna get that ol' Sunny D but ultimately containing no light unless given it.

"MUH motivation" is lunar as fuck, "MUH emotions" is lunar as fuck, it's not truly concrete or sturdy. Theres the old saying something something motivation is a false God, discipline is what matters.

[Anonymous No.16037937]

>>16037819
You should expel the demons as part of your pursuit to higher being. They are demons, anon, and they are feasting on your soul, draining your power. Focus on the higher goal; the obstacles to overcome are demons.

[Anonymous No.16037947]

>>16037819
Different anon, replying. No, you do not need to expel the demons before even thinking about achieving a higher form of being. You just need to trust and make this higher being your only goal, and naturally if you are strong, you will be able to expel the demons just by reaching for your higher being. Demons themselves try to hurt people with addictions and porn and internet and whatnot, you are correct, however, if your #1 goal and ideal in life is to strive for being an Ubermensch/higher being, then these demons will naturally start to hurt you less and less, for you have given up the need to rely on these demons, and have mentally progressed past the demons. So what I would say, is jump right in, have an ideal, become an absolute FANATIC. Let your future glory blind you in the now, and let it consume you, and you WILL subconsciously be working against demons, and working to your goals, without even TOUCHING getting rid of demons in the first place, because they will die off naturally. Go anon, save yourself and become incredible. Become great.

[Anonymous No.16037963]

>>16037884
>discipline is what matters.

So... habits?

[Anonymous No.16037973]

>>16037947
Based post my nigga

[Anonymous No.16037984]

>>16037131
Well then I suppose the whole idea of "what's better" is subjective. Better to whom? By whose standards?

If it's best by your own standards which are derived from your own nature, then I don't see an issue, since it would be an authentic 'best self'. But what OP is doing is inventing a new character for himself to play and shows just how malleable his self was to begin with.

[Anonymous No.16038002]

>>16035042
Jeh sounds like fake it untill you make it.
I think humans are cappable of fooling our brains thinking we are in a different state for a little while. But the energy to do so is not substaineble.
So I think the best way to be who you wand to be is to put that energy into real efford and not just a state of mind. Be brave for once, and then again and again. Men are not born as men but they are created by catching up to danger and later walks beside it without fear. That takes courage, something you will need to teach yourself. You build a different self with real expierence and courage not just a state of mind. A state of mind is temporary, being is forever.

[Anonymous No.16038023]

>>16037947
Very based and overmanpilled. Thanks for the post anon, this helped much.

[Anonymous No.16038043]

>>16034789
Love yourself and dedicate yourself accordingly.

[Anonymous No.16038099]

>>16037963
No because that's discipline as a noun when I'm speaking about discipline as a verb, and even then discipline isn't the right word.

What I mean is a motif of centrality that cannot be shifted or fucked with by anything and allows you to the ability to live powerfully and not be inhibited by it.

You might say this is simply any higher ideal but it is different as it pertains to the role of the self in the mundane and existential.

[Anonymous No.16038158]

>>16035641
Read 'As Man Thinketh' by James Allen, it is pretty short.

[Anonymous No.16038185]

>>16034789
Burn out the personal element. Higher life is about practice, about becoming objective. It's not really a "better you," just better.

[Anonymous No.16038198]

>>16038185
This, Nietzsche leads some people to ruin because Becoming ain't shit in the face of truly higher Being and so they struggle and rise and fall constantly.

[Anonymous No.16038222]

The book has a lot of academic fluff, but Sloterdijk's You Must Change Your Life says a lot about higher men. You leave the stream of normalcy and climb up on the shore. When the spiritual aspirant takes hold of himself and begins conscious self-shaping, his soul is typically a wreck. Disgust and regret are okay. The important thing is withdrawing your attention from the everyday and applying it to the sphere of practice, i.e. what you can make of yourself.

[Anonymous No.16038396]

>>16038198
Define higher being

[Anonymous No.16038558]

>>16038222
Anything actually "practical" in it?

[Anonymous No.16038869]

>>16038396
Being more in line with the forces of life rather than the forces of decay.

[Anonymous No.16038883]

>>16038558
You could distill a lit af 100 pages or so out of it

[Anonymous No.16038963]

>>16038869
so affirmative rather than reactive?

[Anonymous No.16039045]

>>16038963
Depends on the reaction but yeah kinda both

[Anonymous No.16039363]

>>16035262
oh you fucking faggot

[Anonymous No.16039366]

>>16034789
First Question: Jung studied such phenomenon in his book "Synchronicity". You must be what you're meant to be.

Now, the second question. There's no recipe. It depends of your inclinations. Besides Evola, who/what else do you read already?

[Anonymous No.16039404]

>this thread
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.16039484]

>>16039404
okay brainlet

[Anonymous No.16039541]

>>16034789
>inventing a "better me" and try to act like it
it's not acting at that point. functionally you are who you "act" like, and there's no point in trying to discern a difference. the mask you wear is who you are, and there is very little beneath.

i do this exactly OP. i am "strive" to be who i want to be. why be anything else?

[Anonymous No.16039626]

>>16039541
to add to that, for me, i really like certain personalities that always try to find common ground and build people up (as opposed to a friend that i have that always approaches every conversation with devil's advocate, it's so insufferable and exhausting). like zizek. or this board's girardian faggot. they'll draw lines, but it's always amicable. no adhom. i adopt aspects of people i like. sometimes it leads to a kind of "negative capability" which contradicts certain aspects of myself, but how else will i change otherwise?

[Anonymous No.16039812]

>>16039626
Playing with these stuff always makes me question who I am and makes me have existential crisis. Who am I really?

[Anonymous No.16039916]

>>16039812
if you think about it too hard you're roughly the emergent property of a bunch of sorts of cells, and whatnot, generally working symbiotically. what can you do with that info? in my opinion, absolutely nothing. who do you like? why do you like them? be that, have the self-awareness to recognize when you aren't that so that you can build a catalog of examples to reference so that you have a faster and faster control system in place to stop yourself from being who you dont want to be. dont try to get too deep with it. just accept the novelty and mystique of emergent properties

[Anonymous No.16039983]

>>16034789
I did this too in a manic episode. Similar to that movie split I also acquired """"""powers""""" (I use this term extremely loosely and do not mean real superpowers and accomplished no superhuman feats)
I weighed 125 lbs at the time and while talking to a drunken man who weighed maybe 180-190 lbs, we didn't get into an argument, but, at one point he pushed me backwards. His motives for this were him trying to teach me a lesson. I was at the time in a kind of Christ-like state where I was attempting to be as pious and kind as possible. He didn't take kindly to it and, from my interpretation, was trying to remind me of the 'reality' (his reality, at least) of the world. He wasn't angry, nor was his taking unkindly to my kindness one of overt anger or mean-spiritedness, but he did seem to disapprove in some manner as evidenced by him telling me to stick up for myself before he pushed me. After pushing me backwards about 6-7 feet, me laughing the whole time, we came to a stop and a second after I started walking forwards. His hands tried to push back my chest but he was like air to me. He was nothing. He struggled against me but simply crumbled and could do nothing to stop my gait. I had never seen myself so strong, such an indomitable force, but it was a reality. My 125 lb, emaciated, borderline atrophied body had pushed back this 180-190 lb, not extremely muscular, but far more muscled than my own's body with complete ease. I pushed him back to where he had started pushing me and simply smiled at him. He replied by saying "Now you're getting it."
I know this sounds like fiction, but I shit thee not, this happened.

[Anonymous No.16040010]

>>16039916
>dont try to get too deep with it.

This is my problem bros. I always self sabotage by going beyond the phenomena

[Anonymous No.16040022]

>>16034789
>I once had the retarded idea of inventing a "better me" but it never really sprouted past the idea stage and now I spend my days posting on /lit/
ftfy

[Anonymous No.16040025]

>>16039983
Drunken man made you become overman. That is based.

[Anonymous No.16040143]

>>16040010
>I always self sabotage by going beyond the phenomena
the problem is that there is nothing beyond the phenomena. like a stupid example, an atom cannot have the quality of wetness. wetness is an emergent property; it stops at a certain point.

to roughly quote CS Lewis, if you were to try to see through everything, and could, what would you be seeing? isnt seeing through everything the same as seeing nothing?

[Anonymous No.16040187]

>>16037947
>save yourself and become incredible
absolutely cringe and counter initiatic. people who influenced by evola are not and will never be taken seriously in truly intellectual circles. evola made the favour to do exactly what guénon warned against, guénon has defects but at least he knew what he was talking about and cared to preserve truth, unlike the nietzsche-esque degeneration.

[Anonymous No.16040200]

>>16034789
>he talks about transcendental confidence
I've read almost all of his books and I don't remember this. Are you sure you weren't reading into his works?

[Anonymous No.16040254]

>>16040143
I've never understood this argument. You can explain wetness and its properties by explaining how many molecules interact together.

[Anonymous No.16040313]

>>16040254
>You can explain wetness and its properties by explaining how many molecules interact together.
I don't disagree. Tho that's my point, that's why I used that example in the first place. Consciousness is more complex so it's harder to pin down in a few words like that without copping out. By trying to see through emergent properties, you aren't even operating in their definition anymore. It's totally nonsensical, which again is why I brought up that example in the first place. There is absolutely no point in trying to see deeper, to some more fundamental partial truth. Wetness is an emergent property of many atoms, it stops there. And as below, so above - with consciousness.

[Anonymous No.16040318]

>>16040200
He literally says it on ride the tiger

[Anonymous No.16040435]

>>16040254
>>16040313
so either you can understand the emergent property just based on its definition, and there's no point in trying to see deeper. or, moreover, you could claim that you can't understand wetness without understanding the Why of the forces, and everything down and past quarks. in which case you need to be in possession of the ultimate truth before understanding anything, which may or may not even be possible, and then again, what's the point of even bothering? just accept the emergent properties, and move on with it otherwise you'll spend your entire life in a sad gridlock

look at people you want to be, and be like that. all im saying is it really *isnt* that deep

[Anonymous No.16040453]

>>16038558
>>16038222
Just finished it. NGL, most flew over my head.

After a few more books to get in shape, I'll deep-read it like one chapter/week and re-read and take notes. Maybe even poast about it.

[Anonymous No.16040631]

>>16040453
This. I’ve read Ride the Tiger 3 times now and every time I understand it more. Fully grasping it on this runthrough, and I love it.

[Anonymous No.16040846]

>>16040435
>just accept the emergent properties, and move on with it otherwise you'll spend your entire life in a sad gridlock
Me rn

[Anonymous No.16040898]

>>16040435
I am sadly at this gridlock. I don't know the ultimate truths of what makes up reality or what consciousness is, but I am certain the world is governed by cause and effect and "I" am an observer of this process. So I'm either frustrated with myself and the actions I take or realize "I" am observer and my actions are all due to prior causes.

[Anonymous No.16041040]

>>16040898
>or realize "I" am observer and my actions are all due to prior causes.
indeed, although because this applies to literally everything you do at any point, i think that it's not at all useful to think about. because once your actions are such that you are no longer frustrated with them, this then proves prior causes gave you the tools you need to make your better self (if we're still relating this to OP's idea of inventing a better You). like everything you do is retroactively proven to have happened by virtue of the fact that, well, it happened.

it seems to me like the Free Will argument, and i subscribe to the "doesn't matter" side of things. if you do something, then it happened. whether it is due to prior causes or some spontaneous magical spark of Will, makes no functional difference

[Anonymous No.16041147]

>>16040898
to put it more simply tho, the old great philosopher Shia LeBeouf said it best imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0

[Anonymous No.16041591]

>>16040318
I don't remember. Can you cite where you says that? I really don't think he said that, or he didn't use those words.

[Anonymous No.16042263]

>>16034789
lift weights

[Anonymous No.16042420]

>>16039983
Based story.

[Anonymous No.16042432]

>>16039983
>I weighed 125 lbs at the time and while talking to a drunken man who weighed maybe 180-190 lbs, we didn't get into an argument, but, at one point he pushed me backwards. His motives for this were him trying to teach me a lesson. I was at the time in a kind of Christ-like state where I was attempting to be as pious and kind as possible. He didn't take kindly to it and, from my interpretation, was trying to remind me of the 'reality' (his reality, at least) of the world. He wasn't angry, nor was his taking unkindly to my kindness one of overt anger or mean-spiritedness, but he did seem to disapprove in some manner as evidenced by him telling me to stick up for myself before he pushed me. After pushing me backwards about 6-7 feet, me laughing the whole time, we came to a stop and a second after I started walking forwards. His hands tried to push back my chest but he was like air to me. He was nothing. He struggled against me but simply crumbled and could do nothing to stop my gait. I had never seen myself so strong, such an indomitable force, but it was a reality. My 125 lb, emaciated, borderline atrophied body had pushed back this 180-190 lb, not extremely muscular, but far more muscled than my own's body with complete ease. I pushed him back to where he had started pushing me and simply smiled at him. He replied by saying "Now you're getting it."
STOP WATCHING ANIME ANON

[Anonymous No.16042436]

>>16034789
>Its like having a buffet of personalities and your abillity to will them is the metaskill

I've never read Evola but isn't this just living as a social being? Wtf?

[Anonymous No.16042443]

>>16039983
that was me. you're welcome nerd

[Anonymous No.16042448]

>>16039983

>Guy in manic episode conquers the enemy through sheer plot armor

Great story

[Anonymous No.16043775]

>>16034789
Nice

[Anonymous No.16043779]

>>16042436
>I've never read Evola but isn't this just living as a social being? Wtf?

Think more

[Anonymous No.16043788]

>>16034789
feel like I've seen this thread several times before
each time is a new sense of having seen it before

[Anonymous No.16043900]

>>16034789
>Fast forward 1 year, I read Evola, he talks about transcendental confidence
which work of his does he talk about this? i read him a lot years ago, but i cant recall that

[111 No.16043913]

>>16035275
>Earnestness, honour, pride in its non-Biblical sense, Faith[in whatever it is that you believe]
Based, that's how Diogenes lived.

[Anonymous No.16044626]

Bump!

[Anonymous No.16044946]

>>16044626
basado

[Anonymous No.16045088]

>>16037884
I have no knowledge on astrology apart from meme horoscopes and such. I also have no clue what you mean near the end.
Do you have any book recommendations that can make me view astrology in the way it's meant to be seen? Like, not how your weekly horoscope is published in the news paper.

[Anonymous No.16045313]

>>16036979
it is not false if you already believe it to be true.

[Anonymous No.16045706]

>>16045088
Read Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa and also more Evola

Also ignore "MUH sun sign horoscope" that's tabloid cat lady bullshit which all astrologers despise. Sun sign is just one sign, there's like 10 heavenly bodies and 50 angles to consider as well.

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>>16034940
>>16035042
Basically, the ego and the persona are mental images that help determine how you act. You can change the way you act by replacing those images with ones of your choosing through your focus on those images. The "default" image will try to reassert itself, but if you do it often enough, your "default" image will begin to resemble the image you project.

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>>16034789
Yes, I agree. I think that such a skill is the result of supreme self-containment. One has to know himself, be "in the game" for oneself alone.

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>>16038222
Listen to this man. great book for exactly the kind of stuff OP is talking about, it's just a very dense, philosophical take on it. it's basically Evola as "de-metaphysical" as possible

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>>16041591
It's either Ride the Tiger or Doctrine of Awakening. I know for a fact he says "transcendental confidence" or "transcendental dignity"

[Anonymous No.16047357]

>>16038222
that looks self-help-ish

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What exactly is this transcendent confidence and what other writers/spiritual sources deal with it?
t. someone who's suffered from anhedonic depression for 8 years

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>>16036979
you only know your intrinsic nature after you do something that defines it, so the entire idea is pointless to worry about

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>>16039983
>He replied by saying "Now you're getting it."
This is the most life-affirming ending I've ever heard.

[Anonymous No.16049542]

>>16038222
i got halfway through this and remember about the shore vs the stream - vertical ascendancy etc.
you've just given me the motivation to go back and do it justice, because this book is fantastic, if not just a little dense.

>>16047357
it LOOKS that way, but immediately you'll realize that it's a philosophy text by an erudite mofo who's taken up the baton from Nietzsche and Heidegger.
The reason it appears that way is likely due to the title, which is actually just a line from Rilke about some sculpture I believe. What Slot. does with it is not self help, so much as a roadmap or a call for higher beings to heed. The book makes some pretty interesting claims that religion never existed; instead, that PRACTICE is the fundamental driving force behind things like ritual, etc. Essentially, it's this PRACTICE that drives human beings to ascend to greater heights in a Nietzschean fashion.