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[Anonymous No.16002435]

So I fell for the meme and started with the Greeks. I've read Plato and Aristotle. What comes next? What's the roadmap? Do I just jump to the middle ages and Descartes and similar? I feel as though I will miss much stuff.

[Anonymous No.16002459]

>>16002435
ovidius is nice

[Anonymous No.16002467]

>started with the greeks
>skipped presocratics
ngmi

[Anonymous No.16002475]

>>16002435
Tell us everything you learned from Plato and Aristotle

[Anonymous No.16002524]

>>16002435
When people ask this I'm somewhat perplexed to believe they just sat down and read straight Plato and Aristotle without any outside curiosity or learning from other sauces such as the internet.

[Anonymous No.16002539]

>>16002475
The most important thing I learned is that when summoned by old men to have a discourse with them In order to alleviate their boredom, never reject their offer of a complementary boi

[Anonymous No.16002541]

>>16002435
>>16002467
>>16002524
Also yes the presocratics and the major Greek poets are all completely necessary, along with the two major History tracts and before getting too far past the Greeks some of the other post-socratic philosophers in Greece at the time like Phyrrho(which Fichte was known to speak of), as well as at least reading a few Orations such as by Demosthenes.

[Anonymous No.16002544]

>>16002524
Just jump right into it, trial by fire and all that

[Anonymous No.16002546]

>>16002524
I’m sorta doing this too rn, and I consumed a bunch of content around it too. I’d wikipedia many of the main arguments, watch the occasional youtube video, and google the diagrams they present when they seemed interesting.

[Anonymous No.16002581]

Serious question, if you start with the Greeks why not also end with them? Doesn’t seem like there’s anything they haven’t covered already.

[Anonymous No.16002599]

>>16002581
Considering the rest of philosophy as just people debating the greeks, there is no end.

[Anonymous No.16002633]

>>16002581
I think Hegel shows perfectly well what Plato did not see. History, temporality and such. There is always development, but yes many of the most basic ideas which carry through complexity are present in Greece. But someone like Heidegger sort of ruins that "return to the Greeks idea" when he expunges its entire reason as a value for us Westerners, and lays some even greater future development by that.

[Anonymous No.16002699]

>>16002581
>>16002633
*expunges its entire reason as a value for us Westerners into self-consciousness* I should say, that is, he has made the Greeks known in as large a capacity as possible. And if we are to speak of contextual history, a changing of civilisational greatness. The Greeks have espoused a great influence on our Christian civilisation, and the Western for the past few thousand years in themselves as well, in such such immediacy felt to us, in the future perhaps not the same type of endearment. We must feel it for it is true, and we lose nothing of them, but a difference of potential.