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[Anonymous No.16001568]

Are all leftists paedophiles or just most?

[Anonymous No.16001660]

>Sartre signed the petition.

[Anonymous No.16001697]

>>16001568
Based

[Anonymous No.16001699]

Most of them. A very interesting text regarding the topic is "Le consentement" by Vanessa Springora. She got abused by Gabriel Matzneff (the guy behind the petition and a supported poet -suported by the people signing the petition-) when she was 14, and has now come out with her story. At the time non of the young people getting abused where being listened (be it because they where in Taiwan or for other reasons) but now that some of them are older and alive (and have 'clout') they can expose those fuckers. Sartre and de Beauvoir where some fucked up people, beyond the whole fucking under aged people thing. Makes you think about where the things they posed leads to.

[Anonymous No.16001718]

Fidel Castro, Salvador Allende and such dudes probably weren't.

[Anonymous No.16001727]

>>16001718
This. It's mostly the theorycels

[Anonymous No.16001762]

>>16001568
More accurately all French people

[Anonymous No.16001803]

>>16001568
Just hang out with your village's farmers to see the power of right wing, retard

[Anonymous No.16001942]

>>16001568
Can someone explain to me whats wrong with this petition without cheap moralization?

[Anonymous No.16001950]

>>16001568
all

[Anonymous No.16001972]

>>16001950
I consider myself leftist and if it were up to me active pedophiles would get hanged and non-active pedophiles would get locked up and studied to figure out how to eliminate factors that make a person a pedophile.

[Anonymous No.16002041]

>>16001942
>"cheap moralization"
>>16001699

[Anonymous No.16002065]

>>16002041
So, where is the argument? Someone abused someone? Abuses happen in adult relations too, should we criminalize them too?

[Anonymous No.16002071]

>>16002065
Children are less capable of defending themselves

[Anonymous No.16002082]

>>16002071
Children are more capable of defending themselves against rapists, when pedophilia is criminalized?

[Anonymous No.16002086]

>>16002065
itt: dumbass ain't capable of reading a book that shits on his pedophilic beliefs

[Anonymous No.16002093]

>>16002082
Excellent point, let's hand them some kids as well, yes?

[Anonymous No.16002099]

>>16002082
you don't get the point, the 'abuse' done by Matzneff wasn't seen as abuse in the time because a child can't consent. It's once the child has developed that the realization of the abuse falls in.

[Anonymous No.16002104]

>>16002082
Are you legally retarded or something? To decriminalize pedophilic relations would lead to a surge of the same. Less incentive to commit pedophilia=less pedophilia and therefore = less child abuse

[Anonymous No.16002118]

>>16001942
>Make an entire ideology about criticizing unfair power structures
>Also think that professors grooming underage girls (or boys, in the case of Foucault) should be ok
Also if you allow that to happen, then the moral basis for any age of consent is no longer applicable and you will eventually end with pic related.

[Anonymous No.16002144]

>>16002093
No, my point is that raping is gonna happen anyway and no one is for it. What frenchies were against is criminalization of those acts that are mutual and do not harm anyone.
>>16002099
I know this argument very well. My little brother was raped when he was 8. He didn't think much of it back when that happened, he thought he was beaten slightly. Trauma kicked in when he learned that it was a very very bad thing to be raped. There is a great books about this specific topic called "The Trauma Myth"
>>16002104
>To decriminalize pedophilic relations would lead to a surge of the same
not necessarily. Pedophilic relations in themselves arent harmful, if its consensual and kept in check. Greece education was built on it and it is basedest culture to grace this earth yet. Decriminalization of pedophilia would eliminate most of the trauma that consists of retroactive shame that I talk about above. Early sexual education would also let children discern what strangers are doing to them and then they could report people taking advantage of them to their parents. Because most of child abuse happens in families.

[Anonymous No.16002156]

>>16002144
*in families as in close surroundings of a given family

[Anonymous No.16002163]

>>16002144
>The Trauma Myth
oh, so the rapist is not the problem, the problem is the society that sees rape as something problematic. Fuck off to /b/ with that shit. Go and masturbate to children somewhere else asshole.

[Anonymous No.16002174]

>>16001568
Sollers is no leftist, if that can make you feel better. All the1968 enablers were, however, keen on changing society in every way imaginable. This is one result.

[Anonymous No.16002176]

Ideologies of resentment ("liberation") are borne by diseased and broken people.

[Anonymous No.16002184]

>>16002163
well rape is a bad thing physically. But psychological trauma does not stem from the act of being hurt physically. It stems from an interpretation of the act. The book I'm refering to is written by a decent practising psychologist. I like it because it explain the case of my brother very well. The conclusions are controversial though. Anti-pedo hysteria does more harm than people think.

[Anonymous No.16002202]

Replace leftists with Frenchies and you've got it

[Anonymous No.16002214]

>>16001568
where are these "leftists"? where are they?

[Anonymous No.16002224]

>>16002184
>It stems from an interpretation of the act
Sure, because one can interpret rape in such a broad way, you would fit right in with the petition signing Frenchies.

[Anonymous No.16002239]

>>16002224
exactly, so what is so wrong with it? And again, no one is justifying abuse of children. The topic is complex and it looks like you can't think about it without falling into the same old cliches about pedophilia. French petition would improve the lifes of those, who were abused.

[Anonymous No.16002264]

>>16002239
So you have some kind of autism? Let me be clear then: rape can't be interpreted in a broad way, it's interpretation is limited by the act itself. It would not improve the lifes of the abused because the abused did not have the capacity to consent to the acts they where being made to do, and their interpretation of it could not escape the limits of the acts. As Springora tells in 'Le consentement'.

[Anonymous No.16002265]

>>16002176
At some point in history, the use of ressentiment analysis becomes a product of ressentiment itself. You are just resentful of frenchies living their own free lives, you resent the fact that they go beyong their social mores and because of it you ascribe ressentiment to justify your sheepish existance.

[Anonymous No.16002280]

>>16002265
Imagine thinking that acting on phedopilic desires is in any way a for of freedom instead of the bigest sheepish way to act.

[Anonymous No.16002284]

>>16002264
> Let me be clear then: rape can't be interpreted in a broad way, it's interpretation is limited by the act itself.

factually incorrect. In The Trauma Myth the author, who has a lot of personal data with the survivors of the abuse, says that most of the abused viewed the act initially neutrally, some enjoyed it. The act itself isnt traumatic, its the aftermath of it. The trauma model you and other survivors of the abuse use has its historical geneology which is flawed.

[Anonymous No.16002294]

>>16002280
Under current times, it is brave to go after children sexually. Just think about how much you risk.

[Anonymous No.16002313]

>>16002284
The aftermath of the act, in relation to the act, is an extention of the act, this the act itself IS traumatic; you can't just go and separate the act from the surroundings of the act and say they are two separate things.

[Anonymous No.16002318]

>>16002264
i think your being the stupid one, other anon is putting forward reasonable ideas not as his own but for discussions sake and your just misinterpreting his arguments on purpose and apealing to social taboos as if that is any better argument.

[Anonymous No.16002321]

>>16002294
>>16002284
>>16002144
So you raped your brother and justify it by the use of one book that does not constitute the last word on the topic?

[Anonymous No.16002325]

>>16002313
Well yes, but just think about the slap for example. Of course it is a slap in all of its cases. But it differs highly if you slap your girl in bed and you slap your boss in work. Symbolic interpretation of the physical thing is more important to look at if we want to evaluate the thing in social situations, than the thing in itself.

[Anonymous No.16002333]

>>16001718
Never mind the Cuban whorehouses with underaged kids, right?

[Anonymous No.16002341]

>>16002325
you are doing it again, in the case of slaping your girl and slaping your boss you are speaking about two scenarios and two acts that can not be separated from the person being slaped. You can't just separate the slap and say it'll be the same thing if it is done to the boss or to the girl. They are two diferent things, because they are tied up by the relations the act is imbued in.