Epicurus once said

[Anonymous No.15988862]

> “death is nothing to us.” When we exist, death is not; and when death exists, we are not. All sensation and consciousness ends with death and therefore in death there is neither pleasure nor pain. The fear of death arises from the belief that in death, there is awareness.

How then? How in his great wisdom could he possibly deduce that death is a total and utter unconscious state? In what book does he write his findings on matters after death?

How could someone follow a man who’s hubris is so blinding? How did epicurean thought manage to survive in modern day without the teachings of stoa completely consuming it?

[Anonymous No.15988884]

>>15988862
Experience is attached to your body

[Anonymous No.15988891]

>>15988884
You don't know that.

[Anonymous No.15988894]

>>15988884
And when you dream completely detached from what your body is doing, is that not an event in which you experience?

[Anonymous No.15988919]

>>15988862

read lucretius. he makes the argument (and in perfect Latin hexameter!)

[Anonymous No.15988927]

>>15988884
/thread
one can't not experience the death of another person

[Anonymous No.15988942]

>>15988891
Be given anesthesia and then deduce reality from the experience.

[Anonymous No.15988944]

>>15988919
Ah! At last! The forgotten book of wisdom humanity has longed for!
Death is explained is Lucretius! Pack it up boys, consider the universe finished!

[Anonymous No.15988961]

>>15988942
>death = being under anesthesia
Good thing modern medicine has got all the answers figured out for us

[Anonymous No.15988963]

>>15988944
Happy to help a fellow anon!

[Anonymous No.15988975]

>>15988961
If experience is not attached to your body, why don't you experience anything, even time, after being given anesthesia?

[Anonymous No.15988983]

>g-guys death hasn't been solved yet, no one knows!
You're a lost child

[Anonymous No.15988987]

>>15988862
His entire premise is fucking retarded. A large part in my fear of death is the idea that there is nothing after death whatsoever. Even Hell would be preferable to sheer nonexistence.

[Anonymous No.15988995]

>>15988987
Imagine not wanting to die

[Anonymous No.15988997]

>>15988862
>How in his great wisdom could he possibly deduce that death is a total and utter unconscious state?
even the dumbest most retarded child, even a fucking animal, can deduce that.

[Anonymous No.15989001]

>>15988987
>he fears death
lol

[Anonymous No.15989010]

>>15988944
ironic considering that his poem is literally called "on the nature of things" or alternately translated as "on the nature of the universe"

[Anonymous No.15989013]

>>15988975
If you relate the state of of anesthesia to death then you must explain why the relation exists

While in a state of death and under anesthesia, are you not moving? Sure.
Are you no longer breathing?
Does your heart stop pumping?

The more I think about your relation I realize there’s no answers to be found, only more questions

[Anonymous No.15989028]

>>15988862
because desire for eternity is a cope

[Anonymous No.15989030]

>>15988987
>Even Hell would be preferable to sheer nonexistence.
Sheer nonexistence would be a blessing. All of eternity would occur in a single instance.

>>15989010
Yea it is ironic considering he gets no more closer to the answer then you or I

[Anonymous No.15989034]

>>15989013
Can you answer my question? It's a pretty straightforward one.

[Anonymous No.15989043]

>>15988987
The faggots replying to your post with "HURR NON EXISTENCE GOOD" are just coping retards, however, hell is not a preferred state under any circumstances whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.15989072]

>>15989043
Maybe hell itself is not preferable, but the knowledge it exists still leaves me relieved with a feeling of certainty that life is not necessarily a dead end.

[Anonymous No.15989081]

>>15988862
>> “death is nothing to us.” When we exist, death is not; and when death exists, we are not. All sensation and consciousness ends with death and therefore in death there is neither pleasure nor pain. The fear of death arises from the belief that in death, there is awareness.
Amazing how a man from that time is more more intelligent than most amerifats

[Anonymous No.15989102]

>>15989034
Answer what exactly? And do you take me to be so wise that I somehow know that experience Is not attached to the body? I am not.

I have been under the effects of anesthesia and understand the experience you are talking about, but you act as if the comparison is good as if you have experienced both anesthesia and death. How do you know anesthesia is comparable to death?

[Anonymous No.15989112]

>>15989072
How is hell not an absolute dead end? Fuck, how is heaven also not a dead end? That's the end point you arrive at and from which there's nothing afterwards. There's no after-afterlife.

[Anonymous No.15989128]

>>15989102
>Answer what exactly?
My question here >>15988975 ? Stop playing.

[Anonymous No.15989137]

>>15989112
Not my point.

[Anonymous No.15989145]

>>15988894
>you dream
You have a brain that is still operating.

[Anonymous No.15989151]

>>15989072
real life is about the friends we made along the way

[Anonymous No.15989175]

>>15989128
Asked and answered
Are you purposefully acting coy?

[Anonymous No.15989221]

>>15989175
It wasn't answered, only sidestepped with "I can't know." The bottom line is that if the body can be manipulated chemically so that all experience disappears, even that of time, what is the basis for thinking that experience isn't attached to the body? There is none then. If you're just going to assert that it's possible it could be otherwise because we "can't know" then I guess it's fair for me to assert that all experience is attached to the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[Anonymous No.15989258]

>>15988987
This is true, sophistic wordplay will not help to cope with it.

[Anonymous No.15989272]

>>15988987
>must keep coomsooming and browsing 4chan
Yes hes the retard.

[Anonymous No.15989276]

Do people really pretend that not existing doesnt bother them? If someone honestly says that to you in an argument, they have voided eveyrthing before and after it was uttered because they are clearly willing to lie through their teeth to make a point. Your entire being is fixated on self perpetuation. Ask any artist or writer if theyd rather have their name or their works survive them, if they had to pick one. The latter might be more romantic, but any honest man will say his name, and that his lifes work was the perpetuation of that name on earth. I am here, and I dont want to go away. I will force my consciousness and identity into the world by force if I have to, I want to live forever and ever and ever and it is perfectly natural and infact healthy for a man to want to do so; otherwise you can hardly call them a man, or even human, or even alive. If people like this do exist, who comprehend non existence truthfully and are not terrified and disgusted, they are so alien to me that we may as well not communicate because clearly there is no common ground whatsoever. Its a lie. I dont care if im in pain when I die, I dont want to die.

[Anonymous No.15989280]

>>15989276
>>15989272

[Anonymous No.15989291]

>>15988862
What about fear of a painful death, like getting kidnapped by a drug cartel?

[Anonymous No.15989299]

>>15989276
To me life's only fun is denying life

[Anonymous No.15989302]

>>15989272
You are free to stop consuming and starve yourself (or finish more quickly).

[Anonymous No.15989304]

>>15989276
>projection
The post

[Anonymous No.15989306]

>>15989034
>Can you answer my question?
He was pointing out problems with your question.

[Anonymous No.15989308]

>>15989280
>wojak
no thanks!

[Anonymous No.15989310]

>>15989291
you would wish you were dead if you were in that situation, so you are only really fearing pain

[Anonymous No.15989311]

>>15989291
That's also solved by offing yourself long before.

[Anonymous No.15989317]

>>15989304
Projection is an important mathematical device, and it is even more useful in the discussion.

[Anonymous No.15989325]

>>15989306
There aren't any.

[Anonymous No.15989333]

>>15989302
>>15989308
>MUST COOMSOOM AND BROSWE 4CHANNEL.ORG

[Anonymous No.15989341]

>>15989333
Nice trips, but you will also die in your sleep next month.

[Anonymous No.15989344]

>>15989325
He just pointed out some.

[Anonymous No.15989353]

>>15989304
I like how projection has become one those words everyone throws around at anything they dislike.

What exactly is he projecting here? That he fears death? That he's weak? You're a pseud.

[Anonymous No.15989355]

>>15989221
Again, I. Don’t. Know.

I’m concerned about any experience that may occur after death and to that matter I cannot relate it to the experience of anesthesia.

You ask me to give an example of an issue in which I admit “I don’t know” and expect me to answer with a metaphysical example as if I somehow know when I admit that I don’t.

[Anonymous No.15989365]

>>15989353
Literally read the first sentence
>Do people really pretend that not existing doesnt bother them?

[Anonymous No.15989367]

>>15989344
No, he did not. He kept talking about a relation that wasn't being made. The question was straightforward and focused solely on experience and its relation to the body, not anesthesia and its relation to death. The question cuts to the chase and aims to determine whether experience is related to the body or not, and if it is, THAT is how death and the BODY are related.

[Anonymous No.15989373]

>>15989353
This >>15989365 retard.
His whole post is cope and projection

[Anonymous No.15989374]

>>15989365
That's the truth stated as a rhetorical question.

[Anonymous No.15989382]

>>15989374
>the truth
LMAOOOOO

[Anonymous No.15989387]

>>15989374
stop projecting samefag. Go wear your mask and pray to god and hope the big ole covid doesn't get you

[Anonymous No.15989395]

>>15989382
Of course. You can larp on 4chan as much as you want, but you will not help yourself that way.

[Anonymous No.15989396]

>>15988987
lmao brainlet detected. were you in such anguish before you were born?

[Anonymous No.15989401]

>>15989304
of course it is pal. How do we relate to other people? We experience and feel things, and project how we felt onto them in some sort of comparable approximation of what they may be experiencing. Thats literally what words are, if I say happiness, we both have our own indefinable concepts of it (because genuinely trying to define happiness is to describe an emotion that has passed, which is an autopsy) but when we use that word we invoke a shared memory of our own sense of happiness. Whenever you try to understand people you are divesting them with your own consciousness and projecting, so yeah im projecting and so are you. I project the will in me that wants to live and to continue to live and I invest all things with that same will because I dont understand life otherwise and could not understand my fellow man otherwise, and I dont think someone who denies the will to live can understand themselves and is therfore ignorant of the inner life of all beings around them. I love myself and want to survive, and this self love evolves into a love of all things as I project onto them and so i love all things and will them to live on as I wish to.

[Anonymous No.15989403]

>>15989355
You don't know because you're not paying attention. I do know, though, and I'm telling you, as someone who knows:

Experience is attached to the body.
There is no experience after the body dies.

[Anonymous No.15989407]

>>15989367
He's saying it's possible that experience is related to the body when you're under anesthesia, but isn't when you're dead.

[Anonymous No.15989408]

>>15989395
Stop projecting leddit faggot.

[Anonymous No.15989409]

>>15989387
Never wore it (cops and shops ignore it here).

[Anonymous No.15989410]

>>15988997
Sure but almost all humans are retarded children so it has to be said. 2000 years later and people are still confused by this idea.

[Anonymous No.15989419]

>>15989396
If you don't like being born that much, why did you do it in the first place?

[Anonymous No.15989428]

>>15989408
Anon, are you trembling? Do you think that 4chan self-medication will help you?

[Anonymous No.15989430]

>omgody im so scared of the afterlife im such a pussy soifaggot that cant imagine not coomsooming and going ong 4chinny everyone else must be im not the only tourist here right guise?!??!

[Anonymous No.15989438]

>>15989407
Why would experience stop being attached to the body after the body dies but remain attached yet disappear when the body is chemically subdued under anesthesia? This line of thought has no rationale. The body is directly related to experience and it dictates every little bit of what the experience entails.

[Anonymous No.15989439]

>>15989387
Again not what projection means. Projection isn't just anytime someone makes any overly general assumption. It's when you project an internal state onto others in order to cover it up.

[Anonymous No.15989441]

>>15989430
There are a lot of antinatalists and euthanasia enthusiasts here, but when you point them the simple way out they start crying about life affirmation.

[Anonymous No.15989458]

>>15989403
>I do know, though, and I'm telling you
> There is no experience after the body dies.
And how do you know?

[Anonymous No.15989459]

>>15989439
No you were projecting there retard.
> Projection isn't just anytime someone makes any overly general assumption
Yes it can be, burgerflipper. You are again projecting your own mindset onto others. Did you even go to college, amerifat?

[Anonymous No.15989463]

>>15989458
Was there and experienced the lack of experience.

[Anonymous No.15989465]

>>15989438
>Why would experience stop being attached to the body after the body dies but remain attached yet disappear when the body is chemically subdued under anesthesia?
I don't know. The point is that it's possible.

[Anonymous No.15989472]

>>15989459
Anon, calm down, you will push yourself into a tantrum.

[Anonymous No.15989475]

>>15989439
>Projection isn't!!
Oh, look! The expert that works minimum wage in mcdonalds land has come to the rescue with how he defines as projection!

[Anonymous No.15989478]

>>15989401
Cool blog post faggot. Didn’t read

[Anonymous No.15989483]

>>15989458
Because I'm paying attention to the sequence of events and what's happening in them. We know exactly what anesthesia does to the body. We know the reasons for why experience disappears under its effects in the body.

>>15989465
It's not possible.

[Anonymous No.15989484]

>>15989401
Based and empathy/ego-pilled

[Anonymous No.15989487]

>>15989276
>Do people really pretend that not existing doesnt bother them?
Stop projecting.

[Anonymous No.15989488]

>>15989475
You are projecting.

[Anonymous No.15989496]

>>15989488
But anon you didn't even know what projection meant and tried to define it in a way to save your shitty post from humiliation

[Anonymous No.15989497]

>>15989483
>It's not possible.
Why?

[Anonymous No.15989499]

>>15989487
Commit projecting.

[Anonymous No.15989502]

>>15989459
Sounds like you need a little help. There's this really handy place called wikipedia that you might have heard of..
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Psychological_projection

[Anonymous No.15989505]

>>15989483
Oh what a wise man. If only more could see your words then the world might finally start to understand.

Let me ask you some questions. If experience is tied the body, as you say you know it is, then emotions must be tied to the body as well, such as anger and sadness. Would I be safe in assuming this?

[Anonymous No.15989507]

>>15989496
It is for example >>15989475. Also >>15989430 and >>15989333 are good examples.

[Anonymous No.15989508]

>>15989497
Because we know what in the body is causing experience and how it shapes experience.

[Anonymous No.15989510]

>>15989276
>Ask any artist or writer if theyd rather have their name or their works survive them, if they had to pick one
I'm an artist, i've had work displayed in times square, on buildings and in magazines around the world, and i 100% do not care if either my name or any of my shit survives me, cause I won't be here. That's actually the best part of dying anon. You don't have to care anymore about anything. If the idea still bothers you, you haven't been through enough shit experiences and loss yet, which is good and I'm happy for you

[Anonymous No.15989514]

>>15989502
Cherry picking won't help lad.

>the unconscious transfer of one's own desires or emotions or beliefs to another person.

Like I said keep projecting

[Anonymous No.15989516]

>>15989505
>Would I be safe in assuming this?
You don't have to assume. There are a multitude of books you can read on this. But to answer your question, yes.

[Anonymous No.15989520]

>>15989510
its the opposite actually, people who have actually suffered understand the need for life

[Anonymous No.15989522]

>>15989502
>this one CHERRY PICKED site backs me up somehow !!!!! im right
Kek. That post was projecting

[Anonymous No.15989525]

>>15989510
Offing yourself now is then the best way then - you don't get anything bad, but you are guaranteed to have no bad (or good) experiences later.

[Anonymous No.15989527]

>>15989508
>Because we know what in the body is causing experience and how it shapes experience.
How does that show experience can't persist after death?

[Anonymous No.15989531]

>>15989520
To think that life cares whether you """need""" it or not is more proof of naivete. A man comes to a point with personal losses that he's happy to slip away and let the whole clockwork run without him

[Anonymous No.15989532]

>>15989502
>Do people really pretend that not existing doesnt bother them
This above quote is pure projection. He is assuming it bothers people because it bothers him. He is projecting his fears onto others.

[Anonymous No.15989537]

>>15989514
"The unconscious transfer of one's own desires or emotions or beliefs to another person. "
Okay anon what about the post proves that the person was transferring their unconscious desires they wanted to disavow onto another person. Were they trying to cover up their love of death by saying everyone else fears death? Is that what you're trying to claim?

[Anonymous No.15989538]

>>15989522
Anon, you will die (and you will die in pain, since despite your ideology you wouldn't want to kill yourself before).

[Anonymous No.15989539]

>>15989527
The body is causing and shaping experience. Why would experience persist after the body dies? What's the rationale for even entertaining this thought in light of what is known?

[Anonymous No.15989541]

>>15989525
Not really, life has things to offer, and either way it ends forever; why skip this part just to get to an infinite part you will definitely get to? If there's literally zero joy in your life, sure, kill yourself, but that's a bit dramatic for most posters here.

[Anonymous No.15989543]

>>15989516
>yes

Great! So if emotions like sadness and anger are tied to the body, then we can assume morality is also tied to the body.

Now, I think we can both agree that it would be immoral to murder someone in cold blood. Even if it was a random person you have just, and will never Again, meet.

Why then, is the action of murder immoral?

[Anonymous No.15989544]

>>15989531
When did I say life cared? Youre just spouting canned nihilism phrases now, which is a huge indicator you have not genuinely suffered because you have nothing new to say (because you have no genuine experience to draw on and articulate). AKA, youre a faggot.

[Anonymous No.15989547]

>>15989522
"Cherry Picked" Got it so you're one of those retards who just throws around words to avoid actually addressing what the other person is saying.

[Anonymous No.15989546]

>>15989532
Your post is ironically a perfect example of a projection.

[Anonymous No.15989558]

>>15989543
>Now, I think we can both agree that it would be immoral to murder someone in cold blood.
We can, but that would not mean that the act is objectively immoral. It only means that the view that the act is immoral is common.

[Anonymous No.15989559]

>>15989544
You said "understand the need for life." Life does not care whether or not you need it, it will continue or not continue regardless of your wants or decisions, your "need" for life is not a thing that actually matters.

[Anonymous No.15989561]

>>15989537
It doesnt have to be about diavowing someone, burgerflipper. Again you are at this point cherry picking one little definition of it when you can look at almost every other dictionary and see the same definition provided here:
>The unconscious transfer of one's own desires or emotions or beliefs to another person. "

It again doesn't have to be about disavowing you fucking mong.

[Anonymous No.15989562]

>>15989558
What do you mean by "objectively"? What is objective compared to the murder example?

[Anonymous No.15989565]

>>15989541
But you said you are completely content with death, so it should be no bigger than a decision of what meal youd like to eat for lunch. You could do it on a whim and never suffer again. Except you dont, like all people who larp about not caring about death yet never live in a way that suggests that. Why not go crazy and do something risky to acheive money or fame, after all, it doesnt matter if you die. But you wont.

[Anonymous No.15989566]

>>15989561
Anon, you should stop flipping burgers, it will bring you earlier death.

[Anonymous No.15989569]

>>15989547
I did address it and and he cherry picked a very pedantic definition of it when in fact you can go to almost every fucking dictionary and see its defined in this way or similar.
Stop your projecting please mate.
>The unconscious transfer of one's own desires or emotions or beliefs to another person. "

[Anonymous No.15989571]

>>15989558
> It only means that the view that the act is immoral is common.

The view by whom exactly? Your friends? Your family? The state?

Do you receive your morality through your friends, your family, or the state?

[Anonymous No.15989574]

>>15989566
Stop projecting your fear of the afterlife onto others soifaggot

>Do people really pretend that not existing doesnt bother them

[Anonymous No.15989575]

>>15989559
the need comes from me, learn to read a sentence normally. I didnt say the need of life, I said my personal need to experience life and to live. Think about why religion has been so successful historically, its because people lived horrendously shit and unfair lives. It didnt make them suicidal, it made them want to live even more.

[Anonymous No.15989577]

>>15989565
I visualize death every morning in accord with Stoic doctrine. I rehearse dying in my mind. I understand completely that it's going to happen, and it might happen any day and any way, it might even happen in my sleep. And this fact gives me some relief. But why would you think this would put me in a hurry to die? I'm not skipping the skippable to get to the unskippable. Life is full of mounting pain, but it's still an experience which I enjoy while it lasts. Doesn't mean you have to cling

[Anonymous No.15989579]

>>15989571
>Do you receive your morality through your friends, your family, or the state?
Don't you? You usually do something (or avoid something) because your family taught you so or because it is illegal.

[Anonymous No.15989587]

>Be an extremely prolific writer on multiple philosophical subjects
>Produce multiple works on the nature of death an experience
>After millennia only fragments of your work survive
>Some smug smooth brain looks at a single line of text and thinks that's all you ever wrote and thought on that subject.

Welcome to Ancient Philosophy OP

[Anonymous No.15989589]

>>15989575
I'm not advocating suicide anyway except in very specific situations so maybe we're just completely misunderstanding each other lol

[Anonymous No.15989590]

>>15989561
I mean at the general definition of transferring your own emotions onto others practically every statement or sentiment is projection. In which case yeah he's projecting, but so are you and so is everyone.

You seem very angry anon over me simply providing a source. I'm sure different sites define the word differently I never denied it.

[Anonymous No.15989592]

>>15989574
Compared to the hysterics in the >>15989430 post that's nothing. So you actually fear death way more than he does (like most antinatalists do).

[Anonymous No.15989601]

>>15989592
more projection.

[Anonymous No.15989604]

>>15989577
if you enjoy life, why does the negation of that joy not bother you? its like saying misery doesnt bother you, when you lack happiness. If death was completely neutral to you, it would not pose any sort of value negation to anything you experience right now.

[Anonymous No.15989605]

>>15989579
Yes, of course!

So let make sure we are both on the same page and make a return to the original question, and correct me if I’m wrong:

It is immoral to murder somebody (in cold blood) because of the views held by those that surround you, whether it be your friends, family, the state etc?

[Anonymous No.15989610]

>>15989601
Anon, you should stop crying, that will not help you (crying because that's what is clearly happening in the >>15989430)

[Anonymous No.15989611]

>>15989589
Dont focus on a single word and disregard the post. Im saying hardship alienates people from death and not the other way around

[Anonymous No.15989617]

>>15989590
> In which case yeah he's projecting, but so are you
What am I projecting?

[Anonymous No.15989618]

>>15989562
Objectively as in being detached from bodies.

>>15989571
The view by individual bodies. In a word: perspective.

[Anonymous No.15989621]

>>15989604
Good question, for me the value of life isn't an average of pain of joy, and when the average dips below (0.0) you off yourself. It's more like, pain mounts up more and more over time, but little joyful bits are still there all the time, in varying amounts. I can put up with pain to the degree that I currently experience it; if I couldn't handle it, I would arrange my affairs and kill myself. But I find that I can just handle for now, and there are still moments of joy in life. But keep projecting this on, decade after decade, and you realize that more people you love die, more of your body fails, and at a certain point, death is going to be a mercy for you. And regardless of the attitude towards death, it's definitely going to happen. So IMO, get comfortable with it, but don't rush into it unless that's a well-considered decision

[Anonymous No.15989625]

>>15989590
>I mean at the general definition of transferring your own emotions
Thanks. So you admit you were wrong.

[Anonymous No.15989626]

>>15989611
Eh, you're getting kinda boring, I dunno why you're confrontational like this. Feel free to take the last word but we're done

[Anonymous No.15989630]

>>15989419
"i" was standing before "god" drunk as "he" offered "me" the choice and "i" made a mistake f"m""l", "i" meant the other one :(

[Anonymous No.15989631]

>I am not afraid of death!
>I actually crave eternal oblivion I swear :)
>>He wants to live forever
>>Implying living is a good thing
>Existence is gay xD can't wait to die forever
C O P E
O
P
E

[Anonymous No.15989632]

>>15989539
For example, what if, whenever any type of intelligence is formed, the material system giving rise to this intelligence acquires an immaterial soul that correlates with it, copying all of its memories until it ceases to exist, which is when the immaterial soul takes over. When this immaterial soul takes over, it may find itself in one of an infinite number of scenarios, hell, heaven, an endless black void, whatever. The fact that this is possible may give one a perfectly valid reason to fear death.

[Anonymous No.15989634]

>>15989610
Stop projecting and let that asshurt flow.

[Anonymous No.15989635]

>>15989621
You may be an exception, but generally a small minority kill themselves even when having the fourth stage of a cancer. So that zero threshold must be pretty low.

[Anonymous No.15989642]

>>15989631
P r o j e c t i o n: the post

[Anonymous No.15989643]

>>15989626
now this is cope, "its not that I cant asnwer you, its that youre BORING and im choosing to leave!"
id expect nothing less considering the rest of your posts here, good riddance

[Anonymous No.15989646]

>>15989631
>cope
Yep, underage b&. How didn't I know?

[Anonymous No.15989653]

>>15989634
>>15989642
Anon, shitposting on 4chan will not prevent you from ceasing to be and never existing anymore.

[Anonymous No.15989662]

>>15989621
Not really what I meant. If death is nothing to you, life is also nothing to you, because death is the negation of life, and so if life is pleasurable death is inherently displeasing. However, if life is an equal state of contentment to death, it is completely arbitrary which one you experience.

[Anonymous No.15989664]

>>15989653
um ok?

[Anonymous No.15989666]

>No man you don't get it, I'm a Buddhist, I actually want to disappear forever
>Zeus I hope that there's nothing after death, that'd be sucky :)
>Not believing in an afterlife gives greater meaning to this life
>The afterlife is a fairy tale for people afraid of the dark *tips*
>Heaven sounds boring hehe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror_management_theory

[Anonymous No.15989669]

>>15989635
Oh, I was trying to say that for me it's not a case of lining up misery and joy on a scale. So it's not about seeing if we drop below some zero threshold. Two people with the same stage IV cancer may have very different experiences of life at that point; one of them could be overwhelmed with misery to the point that they don't even want to experience the rest of the ride. For them to kill themselves makes plenty of sense for me. But the other one might have some added conditions like loving grandchildren or whatever which they take joy from and want to prolong their lives up to the last second. That makes sense to me too. What doesnt make sense to me is the idea that just because you know you're going to die, you kill yourself. Sorry I may not be understanding you properly

[Anonymous No.15989675]

>>15989666
>t. averagely educated amershit

[Anonymous No.15989684]

>Isolation is the first method Zapffe noted ... "a fully arbitrary dismissal from consciousness of all disturbing and destructive thought and feeling". He cites "One should not think, it is just confusing" as an example.
>Anchoring ... the "fixation of points within, or construction of walls around, the liquid fray of consciousness". The anchoring mechanism provides individuals a value or an ideal that allows them to focus their attentions in a consistent manner. ... "God, the Church, the State, morality, fate, the laws of life, the people, the future" are all examples of collective primary anchoring firmaments.
>Distraction is when "one limits attention to the critical bounds by constantly enthralling it with impressions." Distraction focuses all of one's energy on a task or idea to prevent the mind from turning in on itself.
>Sublimation is the refocusing of energy away from negative outlets, toward positive ones.

[Anonymous No.15989687]

>>15989632
Or what if the Flying Spaghetti Monster has its ethereal noodle penis inside our buttholes all our lives, feeding us Experience, and when the body dies, it cums loads of ethereal sauces into our colon before ejecting its divine member, returning us to the Source?

[Anonymous No.15989689]

>>15989664
Ok.

[Anonymous No.15989690]

>>15989662
Life is happening now, and we can cut it short or ride it out. Death is definitely going to happen. This is what I believe. You agree?

[Anonymous No.15989691]

>>15989590
>>15989617
Still never answered this brainlet? Damn oh well.

[Anonymous No.15989692]

>>15989618
See
>>15989571

[Anonymous No.15989696]

>>15989617
Going off your definition, I think we're always projecting in so far as we understand others by assuming who they are and their relation to ourself.

For you personally, hard to say I don't know who you are so I can't say. This is why I think in general projection is an useless word bandied about by everyone against everything. It's impossible on an internet forum to know who is or isn't projecting because we know nothing about the people we are talking to.

[Anonymous No.15989700]

>>15989689
weak banter.

[Anonymous No.15989710]

>>15989700
It's easy to have banter after your >>15989430 confession.

[Anonymous No.15989713]

>>15989666
>Terror management theory
Death may turn out to not be inevitable in the near future, and I'm sure there's many people alive now that realize that, and as such, don't think that they'll die.
>>15989687
>The fact that this is possible may give one a perfectly valid reason to fear death.

[Anonymous No.15989716]

>>15989696
whole lot of pointless rhetoric in that post. Well played retard, very witty.

>Going off your definition
You mean the average definition you see in most dictionaries and not just that cherry picked definition of yours

[Anonymous No.15989719]

>>15989690
If both are equal in value to you its entirely arbitrary

[Anonymous No.15989721]

>>15989692
Your view stems from your body. "Friends," "family," and "the state" are ideas stemming from the body.

[Anonymous No.15989723]

>>15989696
>For you personally, hard to say
Exactly fuck off retard just take the L and walk away, midwit.

[Anonymous No.15989724]

>>15989719
you keep bringing in <equality>, <value> concepts. can't you come to terms, anon? you're trying to do math on if life is worth living, don't you realize math is just part of the human mind?

[Anonymous No.15989729]

>>15989713
>Death may turn out to not be inevitable in the near future
Anon...

[Anonymous No.15989735]

>>15989710
Alright?

[Anonymous No.15989737]

>>15989729
That's clearly true for the important aristocrats, less probable for the common folk.

[Anonymous No.15989743]

>>15989721
I accidentally replied to the wrong post
But I want to know
Do you agree with the idea that there is a separation of the body and of the soul? If you use the concept behind “body” so much in argument then surely you must believed in the juxtaposed?

[Anonymous No.15989752]

>>15989735
Yes. Let me cite you:
>omgody im so scared of the afterlife im such a pussy soifaggot
That's probably the most scared post in the thread.

[Anonymous No.15989753]

>>15989743
>Do you agree with the idea that there is a separation of the body and of the soul?
No. I thought that was obvious at this point.

[Anonymous No.15989754]

>>15989743
>Do you agree with the idea that there is a separation of the body and of the soul?
Not the anon you responded to but yes. Cut off my arm, doesn't remove any of my soul. My experience remains whole

[Anonymous No.15989760]

>>15989737
What makes you think that even the richest jews in the world will be able to become 100% immortal?

[Anonymous No.15989776]

>>15989753
Right I got lost who I was replying to in this mess of a thread

Are we on the same page then, it is immoral to murder because of perspective?
And also Perspective of who exactly, you or of others?

[Anonymous No.15989784]

>>15989760
General progress trends. By now they can push queen and friends to 90+, a few decades latter it will be 120+

[Anonymous No.15989785]

>>15989729
Do you really think it isn't possible when technology like CRISPR exists?

[Anonymous No.15989790]

>>15989716
>whole lot of pointless rhetoric in that post. Well played retard, very witty.
It sounds to me anon like you're only interested in "winning" this discussion. Okay anon congratulations you won.

Anyways going off the dictionary definition you provided, I don't think it's possible to know who is or isn't projecting on an anonymous forum. The word itself as I see it used here seems used primarily to score pointless rhetorical points and dismiss arguments entirely. That's my only point.

[Anonymous No.15989798]

>>15989776
It's immoral to murder because of my perspective. For you, it's moral or immoral to murder because of your perspective. etc.

[Anonymous No.15989809]

>>15989798
Yes. So you agree, from your perspective, it is immoral to murder. That much I understand.
What I’m asking is why, from your perspective, is it immoral to murder.

[Anonymous No.15989821]

>>15989785
suppose the tech is there
now imagine how much it will cost
now imagine issues with overpopulation, collapsing birthrates, how the fuck retirement and emplyment will work etc

[Anonymous No.15989826]

>>15988862
>Do people really pretend that not existing doesnt bother them?

[Anonymous No.15989829]

>>15989821
Even if possible, would you really want to live forever on this shitty earth?
Might be great for a thousand years if you were lucky enough to accrue enough wealth by then.
What about 5,000 years? 20,000 years? Surely at some point you would want to take the dive into the unknown.

[Anonymous No.15989838]

>>15989809
I find murder undesirable. I don't want to take life away from someone else. So, it's bad i.e. against my morality. (this is with the understanding that murder =/= killing in self-defense, of course.)

[Anonymous No.15989839]

>Be 17
>"Maybe god exists but an afterlife has to, who knows :)"
>Read about the eventual heat death of the universe on Tv tropes of all places
>Something in my brain fucking breaks and suddenly I start snowballing a bunch of ideas
>Suddenly become 100% convinced that there is no God, no afterlife, that once you die you're gone forever
>Desperately start looking for answers, for someone to tell me that there's hope
>All I find is further confirmation that THIS IS IT
>Go into a full panic attack
>Tell my friends at school
>They all get fucking scared shitless like me
>Day and night can't stop thinking about death
>Can't even cry anymore because all I feel is a crushing empty feeling that consumes all my other feelings
>As time goes on it gets worse
>Can't stop thinking about how horrendous my ending and the ending of my loved ones will be
>Can't stop thinking about how unfair and cruel the world is
>The moment my mind tries to conceive how it will be, my final moments as I fade into nothingness I start feeling uneasy. If I push it I go into a panic attack and I get depressed for weeks
It's been 8 years and it just doesn't go away.
I don't want to be afraid anymore. I just want to sleep nicely like before.

[Anonymous No.15989840]

>>15989821
But overpopulation isn't dependent in any way on life expectancy, it depends on the number of children and age when making them.

[Anonymous No.15989841]

>>15989821
>now imagine how much it will cost
At first, a lot, but the price will decrease over time as competition arises.

[Anonymous No.15989848]

>>15989829
>Even if possible, would you really want to live forever on this shitty earth?
The soilad amerishit would love to spend eternity coomsooming and browsing 4chinny

[Anonymous No.15989852]

>>15989826
Anon, we already got your position in >>15989430 Imagine being a wojakposting antinatalist coper.

[Anonymous No.15989860]

>>15989829
>on this shitty earth
We won't be on this shitty earth forever. I'm sure the universe has plenty to offer us, we won't be getting bored anytime soon.

[Anonymous No.15989861]

>>15989829
Depends, will I stay young forever like Keanu? If so, it doesn't sound too bad.

[Anonymous No.15989862]

>>15989829
>What about 5,000 years? 20,000 years? Surely at some point you would want to take the dive into the unknown.
You can be sure that this couple will never want to do that. But maybe you will.

[Anonymous No.15989870]

>>15989852
No stop quoting that anonymous post !!! Please stop!!!!!!!!
Alright newfag

[Anonymous No.15989876]

>>15989821
>overpopulation, collapsing birthrates
That's a contradiction. If elites love people and wish them well then they will share the technology. But if they don't like them and wish them out, then why would the small birthrates be a problem for them?

[Anonymous No.15989882]

>>15989862
disgusting why would you even to get this old

[Anonymous No.15989892]

>>15989870
Anon, 4chan is an anonymous forum, but it's usually easy to understand that two posts have the same author. Especially when you are the only wojakposter.

[Anonymous No.15989898]

>>15989882
It's possible when you love your job.

[Anonymous No.15989901]

>>15989892
But you've already replied with that same quote multiple times. Why would you think the 5th time it would do anything ? Have I ever denied it was me newfaggot? You aren't clever burgerflipper

[Anonymous No.15989952]

>>15989901
Anon, if you don't want something to be quoted by others, just don't post it next time. Especially when it's a confession.

[Anonymous No.15989961]

>>15989952

[Anonymous No.15989962]

>>15988862

A very wise man, only those who use spiritualism as cope to their fear of death would dare disagree

[Anonymous No.15989976]

>>15989838
Your philosophy seems to be built upon narcissism

[Anonymous No.15989977]

>>15989961
>omgody im so scared of the afterlife im such a pussy soifaggot that cant imagine not coomsooming and going ong 4chinny everyone else must be im not the only tourist here right guise?!??!

[Anonymous No.15989986]

>>15989977
are you quoting yourself now?

[Anonymous No.15989991]

>>15989976
What's so bad about narcissism?

[Anonymous No.15989996]

>>15989991
Have a good night man

[Anonymous No.15990000]

>>15989986
No, the >>15989430 post.

[Anonymous No.15990005]

>>15990000
Which is you right?

[Anonymous No.15990017]

>>15990005
Anon, you are losing it again.

[Anonymous No.15990022]

>>15990017
How so?

[Anonymous No.15990023]

>>15990022
How not?

[Anonymous No.15990029]

>>15990023
Answering a question with a question is poor form and rude.

[Anonymous No.15990030]

What the fuck are you two retards babbling about like a couple of bitches

[Anonymous No.15990037]

>>15989976
That's how it seems to you, your perspective.

[Anonymous No.15990040]

>>15990029
A rhetorical question is an answer.

[Anonymous No.15990048]

>>15990040
explain.

[Anonymous No.15990053]

>>15990048
Why won't you follow your commandments instead?

[Anonymous No.15990060]

>>15990053
>commandments
Which ones?

[Anonymous No.15990068]

>>15989396
You are an idiot if you can't grasp that fear of death is positional, in that it obviously strikes you when you're alive, and afflicts those who enjoy life and would like to keep living. The idea of confrontation with absolute nothingness is scary because it's inconceivable and because it's eternal.

>>15988862
The epicurean lives life by embracing death, but there's a largely untapped metaphysical component to this line of thinking. Wittgenstein picked up on this when he said that death is not an event in life and that we do not live to experience it. Eternity is atemporal and not of infinite temporal duration. Early Wittgenstein, being a transcendental idealist, claims that the death of the subject is the end not just of the subject's world but THE world simpliciter. Death annihilates the subject and, as the presence of experience in the subject contains all others, annihilates the world. The incomprehensibility of death reveals the truth of solipsism.

[Anonymous No.15990073]

>>15988987
So do you fear before you were born? Or each time you sleep when you lose your awareness completely?

[Anonymous No.15990074]

>>15990060
Killing yourself of course.

[Anonymous No.15990077]

>>15990037
Yup exactly what I said. Good job.
Are you role playing as echo now after doing such with narcissus?

[Anonymous No.15990088]

>>15990073
Do you fear misfortunes that happened in the past?

[Anonymous No.15990089]

>>15990074
Why would I need to rush something like that? When it happens it happens. Simple soifaggot.

[Anonymous No.15990095]

>>15990068
you and him/her/it are brainlet sbecause i only fear dying but not death, get on my level, live some more, don't just have a litter like street raccoons, you're better than that (?)

[Anonymous No.15990100]

>>15990089
That's how all /lit/ antinatalists/euthanasia fans/epicureans end when you push them a bit. Why would you even start quarrel if losing will hurt you and winning will hurt you more?

[Anonymous No.15990104]

>>15990077
You misunderstand me. I'm telling you that you have to figure everything out for yourself, because your own body has the answers. You have to create your own morality, your own virtues, and so on, by listening to your own body. Everything else is an error. How is that narcissism?

[Anonymous No.15990109]

>>15990100
>antinatalists/euthanasia fans/epicureans
I don't know what any of this shit is soifaggot nor do I care
>Why would you even start quarrel if losing will hurt you and winning will hurt you more?
Who is hurt? Seriously stop projecting.

[Anonymous No.15990111]

>>15990095
>because i only fear dying but not death
Then jumping out of the window is the best: it is immediate, so no problems with dying, yet it will prevent you from dying in a worse way.

[Anonymous No.15990114]

>>15990095
you are a shallow creature

[Anonymous No.15990130]

>>15989605
based Socratic anon

[Anonymous No.15990137]

>>15990109
Anon, you are a very typical example of certain /lit/ posters and this dialogue is typical. To quote a couple of past threads:
>my mother died from the cancer! i'm so pro-euthanasia now
>why didn't she jump out the window before that?
>your post is so life-affirming!
or
>i'm an antinatalist! existing is bad!
>why won't you jump out of the window then
>your post is so life-affirming!
Do you want to get more life affirmation ITT?

[Anonymous No.15990138]

>if you keep replying u are obviously so mad and hurt and im epic troll winarz LOL

[Anonymous No.15990147]

>>15990137
Why would I speed it up if im going to die within probably 15 years anyway? I'll enjoy it while I can . Can you stop projecting your cowardice onto others soifaggot? Don't want you to rip your skinny jeans

[Anonymous No.15990166]

>>15990147
>Why would I speed it up if im going to die within probably 15 years anyway?
Like clockwork. Anon, you can continue to post wojaks to deal with your fears, but do you think that it will really help you? We just got a new example of >>15990137 dialogue.
By the way, are you 60+? It's nice to see that 4chan attracts every age group including seniors.

[Anonymous No.15990179]

>>15990166
>Like clockwork. Anon, you can continue to post wojaks to deal with your fears
Fears of what ? Lol stop projecting.
>We just got a new example of >>15990137 dialogue
That isn't my dialogue though.

>By the way, are you 60+
No I just don't live like you soifaggot.

[Anonymous No.15990190]

>>15990179
>Fears of what ?
Shall we quote >>15989430 once more?
>That isn't my dialogue though.
That's a dialogue of people like you (as said, certain /lit/ posters).
>No I just don't live like you soifaggot.
Anon, drinking yourself to sleep isn't healthy, but also isn't heroic and you can't get any respect this way? But maybe I am mistaken and you don't drink, but have cancer or something? Why would you die in your 30-40s otherwise?

[Anonymous No.15990199]

>>15990190
>>Fears of what ?
>Shall we quote >>15989430(You) once more?
Either newfag or bait
>That's a dialogue of people like you
But you don't know me so how do you know they are like me?

>drinking
Stop projecting soifaggot

[Anonymous No.15990209]

>>15990190
>drinking guise my IPA!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.15990225]

>>15989784
Immortality is statistically unlikely. Even if you biologically live for 1 million years, the chance you have to die of something outside your bodily health increases to 99.7%.

[Anonymous No.15990227]

the answer to this post and comment is So What. You all legit cannot do anything about it.

[Anonymous No.15990229]

>>15990199
>>15990209
Anon, you can post face and all complaints in the same post, this will take less space.

[Anonymous No.15990233]

>>15990229
Couldn't think of anything else other than this terrible attempt at banter :( ?

[Anonymous No.15990238]

>>15990199
You are probably in your 20s, so why would you die 15 years later otherwise? Tell us about your risky occupation. Although from overusing the "burgerflipper" term we can guess that it's your bad diet.

[Anonymous No.15990241]

>>15990238
Kill yourself soifaggot.

[Anonymous No.15990245]

>>15990199
>Either newfag or bait
Anon, do you really think that adding wojak to your post will redirect it?
>But you don't know me so how do you know they are like me?
You are a typical occurrence here.

[Anonymous No.15990247]

>>15990238
>we
It's just you redd*tboi

[Anonymous No.15990250]

>>15990241
So what it is? Drinking? Bad diet? Or maybe you are a brave adventure searcher who will perish in a noble pursuit of fame?

[Anonymous No.15990252]

>>15990245
More pointless rhetoric. You must try harder than this with your banter and samefagging

[Anonymous No.15990257]

>>15990252
Samefagging is stuff like >>15990241 >>15990247

[Anonymous No.15990258]

>>15990250
on a scale of 1 to mad how mad nigger?

[Anonymous No.15990265]

>>15990100
being indifferent to death doesn't mean one should bring about it, quite a leap of logic to suggest otherwise.

[Anonymous No.15990266]

>>15990258
I'm not the one who is going to die in his 30s and tries to shut down the fear by posting wojaks.

[Anonymous No.15990267]

>Samefagging is stuff like >>15990241 >>15990247

[Anonymous No.15990274]

>>15990225
There was a site somewhere which showed the life expectancy if you'll remove natural death. IIRC, the average immediately got to thousands and if you remove most common causes like traffic or murder, it gets to tens of thousands.

[Anonymous No.15990275]

>>15990266
>I'm not the one who is going to die in his 30s
Who said any of this? Can you stop projecting soifaggot

[Anonymous No.15990284]

>>15990275
>Why would I speed it up if im going to die within probably 15 years anyway?
>By the way, are you 60+
>No I just don't live like you soifaggot.
If you are not 60+, then how old are you? 4chan users are generally in their 20s, so if you will add 15 years, you will get 30s or 40s. Maybe you are 13 years old who plans to go out before 30?

[Anonymous No.15990287]

>>15990284
Seethe more soifaggot

[Anonymous No.15990295]

>>15990287
No, anon, please tell us. Why would a sane healthy modern person die before 40? Your scream for help in >>15989430 is pretty understandable then.

[Anonymous No.15990302]

>>15990295
>us

[Anonymous No.15990309]

>>15990302
Anon, self-admitted death in 15 years cannot be healed by the frogs.

[Anonymous No.15990312]

>>15990309
Seething.

[Anonymous No.15990320]

>>15990312
Cope (and that's not a meme word, that's what a combination of >>15990147 and >>15989430
is called).

[Anonymous No.15990326]

>>15990320
>>15990295
>>15990238
>>15990320


>cope
>we
>us
Oh im laffin

[Anonymous No.15990327]

>>15990274
well there's also the problem of identity, by the thousand year mark will you even remember the first 100 years? Your brain and cell matter would regenerate to the point where the person essentially ceases and becomes another.

And the fact that the universe itself, due to entropy, has a time limit means ideal immortality is pretty much impossible.

[Anonymous No.15990332]

>>15990326
>glorious 4chan death before 40

[Anonymous No.15990334]

>>15990332
is this all you got now newfaggot? Has your banter been reduced to this pitiful greentext of projection?

[Anonymous No.15990339]

>>15990334
How exactly is that projection if you claimed that you will die in 15 years yourself?

[Anonymous No.15990345]

>>15990339
>How exactly is that projection if you claimed that you will die in 15 years yourself?

[Anonymous No.15990347]

>>15990327
Aren't the most atoms in human body replaced in several years(seven?)

[Anonymous No.15990353]

>>15990345
>Why would I speed it up if im going to die within probably 15 years anyway?

[Anonymous No.15990362]

>>15990353
Absolutely seething

[Anonymous No.15990365]

>>15990347
yes it does however human memory post adolescence out lasts that, so you still maintain some sort of continual existence unless you adhere to a Parfitian view which negates any marker of personhood and only values moment to moment existence as a marker of immortality.

[Anonymous No.15990371]

>>15990362
But you certainly created a puzzle. What subgroup of people dies at 40 on average? Who are these brave life-deniers?

[Anonymous No.15990381]

>>15990371
Let all your anger flow.

[Anonymous No.15990391]

>>15990381
Maybe it's some surgery? When you get serious medical help, it's natural to expect half of the average life expectancy.

[Anonymous No.15990398]

>>15990391
Seethe tourist :D

[Anonymous No.15990401]

>>15990398
Anon, tell us. Why are you going to die at 40? Is it connected with your constant mentions of soi?

[Anonymous No.15990410]

>>15990401
rent free think about me as you go to sleep Kek

[Anonymous No.15990411]

>>15990365
>e unless you adhere to a Parfitian view which negates any marker of personhood and only values moment to moment existence as a marker of immortality.
Wouldn't such a view show that saving your life is not any different from saving anyone else?

[Anonymous No.15990421]

>>15990410
Looks like we are close to solving the puzzle. Now only if we'll find what subgroup of people dies at 40 or less.

[Anonymous No.15990431]

>>15990421
rent free

[Anonymous No.15990450]

>>15990431
That's a lot of 4chan buzzwords. Which one will be next?

[Anonymous No.15990455]

>>15990450
>he resorts to muh buzzwords now

[Anonymous No.15990463]

>>15990455
But how do they connect to your abysmal life expectancy? Is one of them a solution?

[Anonymous No.15990467]

>>15990463
>muh buzwords!!!!!
>oh noes that didnt work
>let me try
>But how do they connect to your abysmal life expectancy? Is one of them a solution?

[Anonymous No.15990484]

>>15990467
You already used the upper words and they certainly fit your worldview. But that is left?

[Anonymous No.15990488]

>>15990484
Seethe

[Anonymous No.15990499]

>>15990488
Looks like "dilate" word can apply for you.

[Anonymous No.15990505]

>>15990499
Rent free. You will be thinking about me all night

[Anonymous No.15990519]

>>15990505
Now we can return to the >>15990147
>Why would I speed it up if im going to die within probably 15 years anyway?
What subgroup has life expectancy about 40? Right, it's transwomen.

Now I can finally see. Anon, sorry for mocking you ITT, now I see that your life is indeed hard. Have a successful dilating, maybe the epicurianism will help you in this affair.

[Anonymous No.15990525]

>>15990519
>all that text
so mald

[Anonymous No.15990537]

any books about how to resolve 2 retards being retarded /lit/?

[Anonymous No.15990588]

>>15990111
did you read what i said? probably yes. have you thought, really, about killing yourself? absolutely not. fuck off brainlet lol.

>>15990114
says the man who proudly breeds like the rats in his apartment. your great^great amoeba grandparents are proud of you! keep the streak alive!

[Anonymous No.15990670]

>>15990537
Yes the book is called how not to project your faggotry onto others like this post >>15989276

[Anonymous No.15991734]

>>15989276
>If someone honestly says that to you in an argument, they have voided eveyrthing before and after it was uttered because they are clearly willing to lie through their teeth to make a point.
Why do you project your own psychology onto everybody on earth?

[Anonymous No.15991748]

>>15989401
no you are just a retard

[Anonymous No.15991816]

>>15988884
No it's the flying spaghetti monster tickling us with his slimy appendages, thats what we feel after death

[Anonymous No.15991841]

Guys, what if life on earth is as good as it gets, all of the souls of every living thing on earth has suffered in other areas of the universe, and life on earth is reward for the suffering our souls have gone through to even become a concious thing.. and what if, after we die on earth, we start from the beginning again, as a piece of shit, suffering for millions of years again, to become compiled into another life form on some other planet? That thought scares me.

[Anonymous No.15991887]

has this thread been stickied or have its bump limit removed?

Its got a weird boarder in the catalog.

[Anonymous No.15992136]

>>15991734
What do you mean? Obviously nobody else can have a different opinion, surely?

[Anonymous No.15992417]

>>15988987
That's exactly what Epicurus is arguing against, retard. When you are alive, you are not dead and when you are dead, you are not alive. In another words, you shouldn't worry about being dead because you won't be conscious to experience that state anyway. You literally won't even know you are dead so why fear death?

[Anonymous No.15992621]

>>15992417
But that does not make it any better and for some it's the main problem. Let's take a less radical example: you got brain damage which turned you into an idiot. You are cared about, but can't think about anything clearly. Does the fact that you don't realize your state make it desirable?

[Anonymous No.15992721]

yeah the state before life, the state after life, surely it makes sense believing there is no chance of return and rise... do these people even think?

[Anonymous No.15992730]

>>15988975
>don't you experience anything, even time, after being given anesthesia
How do you know that?

[Anonymous No.15992787]

also reminder that there is no conscious state in the transition from awakening to dream in sleep

[Anonymous No.15993669]

>>15988975
because memory is bodily

[Anonymous No.15993698]

>>15989030
>Sheer nonexistence would be a blessing. All of eternity would occur in a single instance.
Bro, there is no eternity in nonexistence, and neither a single instance. There just is not something.

[Anonymous No.15995098]

>>15988987
>Even Hell would be preferable to sheer nonexistence.
t. bugman

[Anonymous No.15995720]

>>15988862
Epicurus once said :
"oh god I think that I'm going to oh shit of fuck oh
*braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap*
oh fuck oh no it's happening I need to fart an-
*prrrrrrrfffffffffffffft*
fuck oh shit I need to fart and I have no anus
*shits out of his mouth*"

[Anonymous No.15996631]

>>15990068
>it obviously strikes you when you're alive, and afflicts those who enjoy life and would like to keep living
just don't think about death lmao

problem solved

[Anonymous No.15996758]

>>15992730
>How do you know that?
I've been given anesthesia

>>15993669
And?

[Anonymous No.15996765]

>>15991841
yea this thought scares the hell out of me too
i experienced it once when i did 7-10 g of shrooms and sort of "blacked out"
i spent what felt like an eternity in a terrifying, black, torturous state of nothingness. i realize that's a contradiction, but it was like my consciousness was floating in space, complete blackness, and my soul was in anguish. eventually i met the devil. had a happy ending though, i met god which was great and then spent a while soaring from one end of the universe to the other before i finally was reborn (regained consciousness).

[Anonymous No.15997061]

>>15988987
>not wanting to imitate the one and by doing so come as close as our material cage will allow us to perfection itself and thereby return to the world soul
never gonna make it

[Old Man No.15997135]

>>15989112
Because neither are ends. You've already reached your eternal peak or trough with Heaven and Hell respectively. I understand you want some kind of Valhalla-Ubermensch wet dream of eternal fighting and improvement, but Heaven and Hell are above that

[Old Man No.15997185]

>>15991816
No, actually it has been proven by scientists with through their current theories that all religious experiences are the result of high-altitude balloons running on swamp gas inducing schizophrenia and hallucinations in great swathes of the population. Also, it's all a hoax, and all the religions plagiarized each other, therefore we're monkeys on a rock in space yet we still need to love one other to not appear amoral to the aforementioned deluded believers we hate

[Anonymous No.15997288]

>>15989631
There probably are some people who really don't fear death, but they must be a tiny minority. So many people say they don't fear death, but watch them when they actually get cancer and break down in tears.

[Anonymous No.15997345]

>>15989112
Heaven is the end in the sense that there is no place that you reach after heaven but it is no the end in the sense that in the popular conception of heaven you still have consciousness and there is time, so it is not an end because time still progresses eternally.

[Anonymous No.15997878]

>>15997288
there's a difference between fearing death and fearing being dead
when people say they don't fear death, they mean they don't fear being dead
people don't want to be in pain as they die, and they worry about what will happen to their families and how their death will affect them

[Anonymous No.15997916]

>>15997878
Idk, maybe. I don't have any hard data on this so I won't argue, most people in this thread disagree with my view as far as I see. I fear the end of my existence and I think there are more people like me, but maybe not.

[Anonymous No.15997955]

>mfw materialists

[Anonymous No.15997988]

>>15997916
yea you're the guy who said you couldn't even comprehend someone not fearing nonexistence?
i'm the complete opposite, i can't comprehend someone fearing it. it sounds to me like being afraid of sleep or something. it's complete comfiness - how could you fear it? and i couldn't give a shit less if no one remembers me. but i'm not having kids either so maybe i'm just wired different.

[Anonymous No.15998003]

>>15988987
cringe

[Old Man No.15998018]

>>15997988
No, but when you go to sleep you sleep contentedly, knowing or at least hoping you will awaken the next day. Going to death is a wholly different thing, especially if you're an atheist, because it's the cessation of everything that makes you. Your personality, your mind, your "consciousness." It cannot be comfy, because you do not exist. It's just the howling void, no comfort to be found there. Are you an anti-natalist?

[Anonymous No.15998034]

>>15998018
>It cannot be comfy, because you do not exist. It's just the howling void, no comfort to be found there.
there's no discomfort to be found there either.....which sounds pretty comfy

[Anonymous No.15998074]

>>15997988
I am a different guy but I mostly feel the same.

[Anonymous No.15998215]

>>15997878
>people don't want to be in pain as they die
But that obviously isn't true: every long process of dying involves a lot of pain, meanwhile suicide can last a second. Yet most people even with advanced cancer don't suicide, but try to fight it or at least prolong their sufferings.

[Anonymous No.15998833]

>>15988987
It probably seems like cope to you but I genuinely don't at all feel the same way. Going to sleep is alright and even desirable and the difference between the states is negligible from my subjective point of view. Many times in my life I have thought to myself while going to sleep that I honestly couldn't care less if I woke up the next day or not, I would be perfectly fine to just sleep forever, completely unaware.

[Anonymous No.15999179]

>>15988862
Stop whining and prove he's wrong.

[Anonymous No.15999240]

>>15988894
You are physically paralyzed while dreaming. Otherwise you would wreck yourself and your room. You are in no way disconnected from yourself while you dream.

[Anonymous No.15999268]

>>15992417
Is Neitchze just repackaged Epicurus?

[Anonymous No.15999278]

>>15988987
I can't imagine being so narcissistic that a eternity of suffering would be better than nothing.

[Anonymous No.15999504]

>>15988862
>Epicurus once said
Stopped reading there.