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15986714 No.15986714 [Reply] [Original]

>you'll get nowhere playing videogames
can't we say the same thing about books?

>> No.15986720

>>15986714
yes, but you can get away with reading books because it makes you look sophisticated to normies

>> No.15986724

>>15986714
No, video games are not the same as books. Now delete your thread.

>> No.15986725

>>15986714
books are typically more interwoven with relevant real-world issues, whereas many games are strictly designed to entertain.
However, this is a generalization, and ultimately you could find books and games that betray this

>> No.15986731

>>15986714
yes

>> No.15986744

>>15986714
slit your throat /v/ermin

>> No.15986752

>>15986714
videogames are unironically more worthwhile than books

>> No.15986754

>>15986720
This.
Although I'm a filthy incel and people that play video games get more poon than I do

>> No.15986758

Yes for novels, yes for narrative nonfiction, yes for continental philosophy, no for everything else.

>> No.15986759

Games are purely addictive substances and very little can be gained from them. The enormous advertisement of games serves to distract the proletariat from the actions of the elite. Books mostly inform and educate, unless you're reading manga 24/7.

>> No.15986761

>>15986714
No, not really or at least not necessarily. There is a huge difference in how you engage with books and how you engage in videogames.

Videogames are task-oriented. You want to defeat the boss, solve the puzzle, defeat the enemy player or something. There is little room for introspection when playing videogames. Whatever little introspection you get in videogames is all in the service of the previously stated objectives. Videogames can make you a more skilled person, but not a better person.

Reading, at least as far as good books go, are about digesting what you consumed and taking in its aesthetic values but also about confronting the author's worldview with your own. They literally can change who you are as a person, how you see your life and how you pursue objectives. Books also need you to be much more voluintarily engaged than videogames, which can just bribe you with dopamine.

>> No.15986798

No for novels, no for narrative nonfiction, no for continental philosophy, yes for everything else.

>> No.15986804
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15986804

its true with literally EVERYTHING if you just treat that thing as escapism and do nothing besides that thing

>> No.15986817

>>15986714

Vidya can be good in moderation, like single player rpgs or minimal time investment multiplayer games where you can chill with friends or hone some skill. It can be satisfying, if you think vidya is all bad you may as well dismiss chess as a vice too. Just avoid skinnerbox games like big mmos that can eat up days in a row and have 0 endpoint

>> No.15986818

>>15986714
What does it mean to "get somewhere"?

>> No.15986842

>>15986714
reading makes brain good

>> No.15986879

>>15986714
Nope. Books are the only hope one has to achieve something in his life if by 20 he hasn't found his calling (basically is a loser)

>> No.15986899

>>15986714
I'd sooner play a computer game than watch Rogan.

>> No.15986909

>>15986714
Genre fiction? Yes you could and should.
Actual literature and philosophy? No you can’t and if you do it means you’re retarded.

>> No.15986923

>>15986714
You can say that about anything. DFW wrote a book on it where he covers the subject in great depth from dozens of different angles.

>> No.15986944

>>15986724
>>15986879
>>15986909
Name ONE (1) way literture has actively improved your life beyond 'it really made me feel things!' or 'it really made me think!'

>> No.15986953

>>15986714
If we're talking about fiction, yes. Only retards expect to "get somewhere" by playing games and reading fiction, though.

>> No.15986964

>>15986714
this nigger loves Quake tho, admitted multiple times

>> No.15986978

>>15986944
Candide, by voltaire.
Erased the jewish brainwashing that work and toil is something to be suffered and avoided and instead it is a blessing and something to be sought for.

>> No.15986993

>>15986804
preach sis.

>> No.15987021

>>15986944
>'it really made me feel things!' or 'it really made me think!'

Those are legitimate good things brought about by literature. None of those can be provided by videogames.

>> No.15987030

>>15987021
Video games bring out a lot of feelings, so that's not entirely true.

>> No.15987036

Is it true that gamers get more pussy than readers?

>> No.15987040

>>15987036
Yes, gamers have VR.

>> No.15987053

>>15986944
Made me learn more words. I know more than one language so it helps

>> No.15987057

>>15987036
Yes.

>> No.15987073

>>15986964
Quake is the greatest videogame and one of the most important pieces of software of all time. And John Carmack is incredibly based.

>> No.15987076

>>15986714
If you're good enough at video games you can make a living out of it. If you're a bad enough reader reading will only be a waste of time.

The lesson we can take from it , kids, which is the most important lesson in life, is: don't suck and be good at stuff.

>> No.15987077

>>15987073
he was on the podcast also

>> No.15987079

>>15986714
Books can actually give you knowledge and access to other perspectives and help you grow as a person.

Videogames are a pseudohobby that provide you with a cheap and easy simulation of accomplishment without actually making you develop any meaningful skills or gather any worthwhile experiences.

So no. We can't.

>> No.15987111

>>15986978
>work is a blessing and something to be sought for
But that's literally a Jewish talking point.
t. heard this very point in a talmud study session

>> No.15987127

>>15987076
>t. doesn't know how youtube and twitch works

>> No.15987133

>>15987111
Kinda strange since all kikes are obsessed with usury and enslaving others to do hard work for them.
Oh well, guess times have changed.
You do yourself good, anon. Being raised by jews is like being raised by a lesbian couple, or so I've been told.

>> No.15987153

>>15987079
what skills does reading fiction books develop tho?

>> No.15987190

>>15987153
High quality fiction exposes you to tons of ideas and thoughts you might not think of otherwise. I often notice it increases vocabulary.

Also, the novel, in its modern form, was primarily developed as a medium for exploring different personality types and historical trends in depth, so you can learn a lot indirectly about human psychology and history from reading fiction (as long as you aren't just reading ready player one or harry potter). At the bare minimum, you'll at least be learning about what really good writers thought about that stuff, which is a good sight better than rotting your brain on flea brained clickbait all day long.

>> No.15987203

>>15986720
Because you are more sophisticated. Vydia gamers sit in front of a screen for unhealthy amounts of hours literally pressing 4-5 different buttons and move their mouse. Imagine looking at a person playing Warcraft literally just hammering on 1 or 2 keys for hours and hours.
>click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click click

>> No.15987214

>>15987190
none of what you mentioned relates to my question tho

>> No.15987230

>>15987214

You don't see how being more articulate, understanding human psychology, or how to interoperate history are skills?

>> No.15987245

>>15986714
Books are emotionally and intellectually challenging. He's referring to the type of repetitive online shooters that he was admittedly addicted to back in the days (he never shuts up about DUDE QUAKE)
There can be interesting video games, they're just few and far between and are generally not well received among "gamers". Just look at Gone Homo and Dear Esther.

But books are no different, they just carry with them cultural history and self-proscribed importance. There are more shitty books than there are good ones, it's all about what you spend your time with.

And I'm just talking about fiction.

>> No.15987246

>>15986714
You'll get nowhere in life doing one thing to the exclusion of all other things. But nobody really does that, so it's a moot point. Stop being self-conscious about your interests and how you spend your time. You're just an animal.

>> No.15987306

>>15986944
self help books would be a good answer, but /lit/ has autistic spasms when anyone mentions self help because it is a genre normal people read.

>> No.15987320

>>15987230
those things are all good but technically aren't skills

>> No.15987378

>>15987320

If you don't see any practical upshot to being a braindead intellectually stunted mouthbreather then sure, they aren't "technically" skills.

I think there's an obvious sense in which it's orders of magnitude more useful than vegging out clicking on shiny colors in minecraft all day long.
But that probably isn't obvious to you if you've never even put in an ounce of effort into being more intelligent or self aware than a sack of hammers in your entire life.

>> No.15987391

>>15987378
not being*

>> No.15987464

>>15987378
>braindead intellectually stunted mouthbreather
all those buzzwords kek

>> No.15987475

>>15986944
Helped me network in uni, reading """smart""" books is an easy way to make people think you're smart.

>> No.15987480

>>15987030
a dopamine rush isn't the same as reading the ego and it's own no matter how hard you want it to be.

>> No.15987491

>>15986714
Games can be a social activity with friends

>> No.15987495

>>15987127
Those are about being good at entertainment and self-presentation. If you think anyone can become rich on twitch just try it and see how you fare.
Never forget
>don't suck
>be good at stuff
Failing that you'll never go anywhere.

>> No.15987496

>>15987153
good fiction /= bad fiction
It is no stretch that reading Don Quixote is a lot more beneficial that reading harry potter. All video games fall under the harry potter level of fiction, therefore useless.

>> No.15987518

>>15987133
>Kinda strange since all kikes are obsessed with usury and enslaving others to do hard work for them.
I didn't know jewish taxi drivers and street cleaners and pastrymakers where obsessed with usury.
Anyway if you want a culture that considers work to be bad and beneath them, try the Greeks and especially the Romans. The Jews are pretty slavish, they think of work as something necessary.

>Being raised by jews is like being raised by a lesbian couple, or so I've been told.
You probably have too many lesbians friends, try being raised by a couple of loubavitches and see how lesbian that is.

>> No.15987519

>>15987464

If you think "intellectually stunted" is a buzzword then you really need to put down the nintendo switch and crack open a book every once and a while. Even just reading 2 or 3 a year is better than nothing. You'll obviously never understand why it's useful unless you try it yourself.

>> No.15987528

>>15987480
>a dopamine rush isn't the same as reading the ego and it's own
It essentially is if you're enjoying it in any capacity.

>> No.15987537

>>15986714
Yes for fiction, no for nonfiction.If you're able to apply what you learn, it's not a waste of time.

>> No.15987546

>>15987519
ok dad

>> No.15987579

>>15987496
>All video games fall under the harry potter level of fiction, therefore useless.
t.have played only counter-strike and call of duty all his life

>> No.15987625

>>15986944
Moby Dick, helped me to come to terms with the unknowable nature of reality, giving peace
Ethica, gave better definition to how to live well with a fundamental metaphysical basis
Someone has already said Candide, for me it was the same reasons

>> No.15987628

>>15987496
>reading Don Quixote is a lot more beneficial that reading harry potter
Only if you bastardize the purpose of Don Quixote.

>> No.15987686

>>15986944
>Made me a stronger Christian
>Taught me how to speak to others
>Gave me discipline and better habits
>Taught me history
>Unironically helped me with flirting and talking to girls
>Expanded my vocabulary
>Made me a better writer
>Gave me better analysis skills
I should mention that out of the dozens of books I've read only about 3 were self help books.

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15987693

Why do gaymers always have to justify their shitty hobby?

>> No.15987697

>>15987546

Deflect all you want. But this conversation is basically the equivalent of an incel being "why would I ever have sex lol I wouldn't get anything out of that."
No one can explain it to him in any way he can reference to his domain of experience, because he is a virgin who has never been within a mile of a real relationship with the opposite sex in his life. He totally dismisses every argument and imagines he is winning the debate while others are spouting obscure nonsense.

Just to soften the barbs I'll end with a few buzzwords so you can take that as an excuse to completely disregard everything I'm saying.
Your posts are nothing but pure brainlet COPE.

READ

>> No.15987702

>>15987686
Sounds ideal, Anon :) What books do you recommend for the speaking/flirting part?

>> No.15987718

>>15986714
True. You can only get somewhere with walking or riding in something.

>> No.15987768

Jesus... are people really this confused on this topic?

Videogames, like movies, like fiction, like paintings, and so on, are a form of recreation for relaxation and pleasure. We as a society produce and partake in these things as recreation and relief and everyone who doesn't is either not part of society or is ill-informed regarding how society relates to these things. The purpose of these things is not to reach any kind of maturity through them, but to unload, alleviate stress, and take pleasure in one's cultural feelings. That there are people who see other purposes in them is not an indication that there are other purposes to them but an indication that there are a large amount of people who misunderstand the original purpose and utility of these things and bastardize them in their misunderstanding of them. Ergo, there is no expectation to "get somewhere" as Joe puts it so long as you understand the original purpose and utility of these things.

Really, fuck Joe for just making things worse and indirectly causing a bunch of kids to seek out ways to erroneously conflate the significance of videogames with things that aren't intended for recreation, like reading non-fiction. Naturally anyone who derives pleasure from a thing is going to seek out a way to justify it once it is called into question by another party, but the question is misguided, so the search for a justification is too. I'm surprised so many posters here are overlooking all of this and are subconsciously perpetuating his misguided view on the matter.

>> No.15987810

>>15987768
You're right of course, but in fairness he's been kicked in the head many times and he was probably high when he said this; plus he'll contradict himself within two weeks.

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>>15987702
Surprisingly Norwegian Wood was what helped me. I grew up with a single mother so I never saw how people speak and court each other. Seeing Toru flirt with Midori throughout the book and understanding what was going through both of their heads was a big help to me personally. Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People was also beneficial for general conversation.

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>>15986714
not wrong but ill still do it anyway

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15987848

Why do people come onto /lit/ with the sole intention of starting threads that disparage literature? This board is filled to the brim with non-readers, and I'm not referring to the lazy anons who like to talk about books without actually reading them. They just drop some ridiculous non-sequitur, then tell other people to justify themselves.

>> No.15987869

>>15986804
Everything is escapism and cope. Literature and philosophy are more advanced forms of cope but cope but cope none the less. No one on here can reasonably argue against this.

>> No.15987875

>>15987768

If you don't see any value to art other than to provide temporary serotonin dumps then sure, there's no more value to playing angry birds than reading a novel.

While you're at it, can I recommend alcoholism and picking up an opium habit as an alternative to videogames? In my experience, alcoholics and drug addicts are at least better socially adjusted and get laid more often than people who waste all their time rotting their braincells with videogames.

>> No.15987876

>>15986714
>get nowhere
As opposed to get where?

>> No.15987889

>>15987876
i think hes trying to imply doing anything other than making money for other people is waste of time

>> No.15987894

>>15987875
Can you articulate what exactly this value is?

>> No.15987922

>>15987875
You misunderstand me. The purpose of art is strongly related to culture; specifically, we enjoy our emotions as they have been tempered by culture through art (which is what I meant by "take pleasure in one's cultural feelings"). What this means is that reading a novel will not have the same value as playing angry birds depending on your cultural background and your individual cultural temperament, and depending on these, one will have more value than the other.

>> No.15987926

>>15987214
No, you just have very, very poor reading comprehension skills.

>> No.15987947

>>15987894
Nigger, can you read?

>> No.15987954

>>15987693
Because they are insecure manchildren.

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>>15987153

>> No.15987968

>>15987947
I’ll take that as a no faggot

>> No.15987981

>>15986714
He'll backtrack in a day or two. Gamers are his audience.

>> No.15987991

>>15987954
Everyone tries to justify their hobby though. Gamers just occupy online spaces more than others.

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15987998

>>15987697
>thinks sex is something worth working for, yet calls other people brainlets

>> No.15988023

>>15987768
>are a form of recreation for relaxation and pleasure.
You are dumb for thinking this. There are nuances in that broad stroke you made. If you don't know of, can't find, or can't accept examples of where these are forms of expression or teaching tools then I don't care to hear any more of your argument.

>> No.15988083

>>15986725
Most books people read now a days are flavour of the month new age/pseudo intellectual drivel.
My mother has a whole collection of garbage books and considers herself well read but would never pick up anything from say Evola to Plato, Nietche, Jung, Wilhelm Reich or Pushkin.
Some people just have trash minds and follow trends.

I read books from Theosophy to neuroscience and orgone generators because its extremely valid in terms of learning to how the world really works.

what it comes down to is that people and especially women are intellectually vapid and concern themselves with books that validate their world view and emotional bias rather than trying to rebel or learn something new.

Quite frankly I dont think most women should be allowed the freedom to do anything because they are irresponsible and too easily influenced. Coupled with the fact of western feminism and you have a recipe for 50% of the population acting like beasts who unequivocally support slavery if they are kept comfortable.

>> No.15988116

>>15987693
Because they are aware that their "hobby" (it's not a real hobby just as watching tv isn't a hobby) is 99% escapism for kids, and they are deeply insecure about this.

>> No.15988124

>>15986714
Unfair comparison. Video games these days, especially multiplayer ones, which are the most popular, draw people in mostly by two methods - the dopamine kick you get when "you get good", and the dopamine kick you get when you acquire some fancy item (often via micro-transactions). Some games take the latter even further and add in an element of gambling in the form of unboxing crates and hoping to get a rare item. These types of games are completely incomparable to books.
Maybe if you compare games that are singleplayer and only tell a story. Even then, I find that books are better at conveying stories. In the end you could argue in this case that both are forms of consumerism.

>> No.15988127

>>15986714
Where am I supposed to be going exactly, Mr. Rogan?

>> No.15988131

>>15988127
Just start a podcast bro!

>> No.15988148

>>15986714
Videogames are a repetitious series of tasks, sometimes following a vague story line.
Books often contain valuable information, unlike videogames. Books can improve your vocabulary, unlike videogames.
The only useful videogames are industry-specific training simulations.
That being said, I'm about to play Half-Life 1 and 2 for the first time, and I'm pretty excited.

>> No.15988156

>>15988148
What valuable information to books contain aside from vocabulary?

>> No.15988182

books taught me that there is only nowhere.

>> No.15988192

>>15988156
I mean... you serious?
History books
Chemistry books
Math books
To my knowledge there are no chemistry games you can play to learn chemistry. Maybe one day there will be.

>> No.15988202

>>15988192
My bad, I thought you were referring to fiction.

>> No.15988204

>actually discussing this troglodyte's opinion
but why

>> No.15988208

i didn't go to doctor school i went to invasive neurosurgery

>> No.15988213

>>15988023
>There are nuances in that broad stroke you made.
In my first post I acknowledged that others see other purposes in art. But, as I said, the other purposes they see are bastardizations of art. Even reading a novel in an academic context for the purpose of learning the historical setting in which it was written is a process of bastardization, because novels aren't written for historical examination (exceptions not counting, obviously, since they are exceptions).

>If you don't know of, can't find, or can't accept examples of where these are forms of expression or teaching tools then I don't care to hear any more of your argument.
If you want to even have an argument, you'll have to actually provide these examples you're talking about.

>> No.15988255

>>15988023
>there are numerous examples of x
>doesn’t provide a single example
Fag

>> No.15988261

and you wont get anywhere mindlessly listening to podcasts either

>> No.15988269

>>15986944
I know how to make woodworking joints from the classic work of literature, Woodworking Joints vol 1.

>> No.15988287

Lol I can’t believe people say /pol/ is killing the board when this shit is filling the catalogue
Redditors and /tv/ posters are way worse

>> No.15988299

>>15988287
>implying the people saying /pol/ is killing the board aren't just reddit and /tv/ posters

>> No.15988318

>>15988202
No worries :)

>> No.15988323

>>15988083
based/correct until the last third of the post

>> No.15988343

>>15988287
Why can’t we just say both posters are killing the board?

>> No.15988413

>>15988343
Because only certain posters are killing the board. At least /pol/ tries to actually make it about books.

>> No.15988468

>>15986714
Maybe. But think about the time in which books sprang up as an easily accessible item. It was through the 1700s that books, and especially novels, became open to a wider public. Why is this significant? It’s a time of rapid expansion of industry and geography. “the artist” as a cultural phenomenon took on a new light because of this. Romanticism emerged in England and Germany, and gave a language to defend art and culture against crass commercialism. Think of Burke, Blake, Shelley, coleridge, schlieremacher, schlegal, schelling etc. Romanticism offered new arguments that could substantially defend the value of the activity of reading against productivity as an absolute value. I think this is the moment that reading found prestige. I think that’s often why reading isn’t under the same scrutiny as vidya.

>> No.15988483

>>15986714
Name me one philosophical idea from a book that isn't oversimplified in a video game.

>> No.15988568

>>15986944
Am a maths student and used books extensively to learn how to program. Am now writing a neural network to perform facial recognition in c++. Also have gone to hackathons to network with other people in order to perform my best when applying for internships

For /lit core I've been reading the first philosopher and it's fun escapism i admit, but at least it helps me better to understand the world around me

>> No.15988573

>>15988213
You're invalidating any argument I can make by saying the purpose of art is subjective and that these are all bastardizations of art as you see it. I was getting at the fact you look at these as nothing more than recreation. I can pick up a novel intending to read it for fun and learn a philosophical lesson from it intended by the author. What happens if I pick up another of their works and read it specifically looking for more of these lessons? I'm no longer doing it to unload or relax, I'm actively seeking more that is hidden beneath simply the words on the page.

I'm not going to provide an example because I don't want to hear back, "That's not art, it's a bastardization, amd therefore recreation."

>> No.15988593

>>15988483
This isn’t really an argument. All your saying is vidya isn’t a book. Philosophical concepts are easily understandable in prose. That doesn’t say anything about why it should be taken more seriously than vidya. It’s easier to understand mathematics in a formal language than it is in prose. Equally it’s easier to understand Heidegger in prose than it would be if you could translate his concepts into mathematical language. None of this says anything about value. It only shows the content that’s available to be expressed in certain media. Here’s your argument laid out flat: Philosophical concepts are better suited to prose. That’s a fact, cool, nothing new here. vidya can’t do what a book can do. Yeah cool, no shit, it’s not a book. Therefore, vidya has less value. How? It’s not a book, so why judge as being a book? A better way to approach this: you’re a retard, but I wouldn’t hold you to the same standards as a chad like me, because you are to be judged via an entirely different normative criteria.

>> No.15988615

>>15988413
Posting some agenda laden rant and attaching “books for this” in the postscript doesn’t make it about books.

>> No.15988622

>>15986714
fuck off summerfag /v/tard.

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>>15987073
t. bugman.

>> No.15988667

>>15988637
Davis is a meme who has achieved nothing. Anyone who takes him seriously is just as deranged.

>> No.15988742

>>15988615
The ones asking for legit recommendations always get flooded with chapofags and total retards like butterfly shitflinging.

>> No.15988744

>>15988573
>I can pick up a novel intending to read it for fun and learn a philosophical lesson from it intended by the author.
This is far from the norm, which means it's an exception, but we can also refer to the oldest examples of fiction to demonstrate what I'm talking about. Take the Epic of Gilgamesh for example. What "philosophical lesson" can someone learn from reading that? Anything you could possibly come up with would be reaching and likely anachronistic to boot. Or take The Odyssey, and Homer in general. He may be at the center of academic studies of the Greeks due to us not having all that much else to refer to, and due to how gigantic his works are as cultural achievements, but does this mean their original purpose was anything besides what I'm saying? Given their poetic structure and fantastical, extravagant content, and the sheer abundance of these kinds of works, it doesn't seem so. Ultimately, the stories appear as expressions of certain cultures, for the purpose of enjoying the cultural feelings that have developed in the societies that bore them.

Also, why would anyone even think of choosing fiction as the format of teaching philosophy? Doesn't that in itself sound bizarre to you? For me, anyone who would choose fiction to teach philosophy is one of two things: an idiot who should really figure out why we have distinctions like fiction and non-fiction to begin with, or someone currently subjected to an oppressive or fragile society which demands that the philosophy being taught be masked in fiction (which would be a bastardization of fiction). And here you might say, "but some people learn better when reading fiction," but that is complete nonsense. Anyone, if they are capable of learning anything philosophical, could learn just as well from reading an essay, and in fact could learn much better from an essay, because philosophy can be articulated much better in an essay than it can be in fiction.

>> No.15988750

>>15988667
>Davis is a meme who has achieved nothing.
See, that's what makes you a bugman. You can't see anything past your infantile utilitarian worldview.

>> No.15988760

>>15988667
t. actual bugman

>> No.15988761

>>15988667
he wrote 1 more OS and has about 1,000,000 times more fame than you ever will

>> No.15988776

>>15988744
sounds like the peepeepoopoo man found /lit/ today

>> No.15988780

>>15987848
All the boards are full of trolls that shitpost in a similar fashion. It's the downside to the anonymity we are granted here

>> No.15988787

>>15988667
>Davis is a meme
Davis was a human being. Which is more than anyone can say about a fuckup like you.

>> No.15988816

>>15988787
He was a weirdo flake.

>> No.15988832

>>15988816
>flake
What are you fucking 70? You're a dumb fucking square and a fucking bogart poser.

>> No.15988850

>>15988593
Nice strawman. I never said anything about prose, and you're just meandering about value, which I also never mentioned, while never stating the merits of video games yourself.

>> No.15988851

>>15988832
>What are you fucking 70?
Are you? Someone who genuinely likes Terry would be as mentally far gone and detached from society as a 70 year old with Alzheimer's.

>> No.15988914

>>15988851
>ayy look at this dotty flake champ he looks like he's blitzed ya dig? I'm gonna go cop a squat and catch some rays back out by the discoteque, I hear it's the bee's knees. Better hope I don't get jumped by some mods or some greasers that'd be totally bogus daddio

>> No.15988955

>>15988914
Look at this utter maroon. What a rube. What an ignoramus.

>> No.15988967

>>15986752
/lit/ - Literature

>> No.15989025

>>15988851
On a serious note anyone who doesn't genuinely like Terry or discounts him because of his schizophrenia diagnosis lacks human emotion and most likely only knows about him from some borderline defamatory outside source. Most schizophrenics are highly functional and aware. Only normie faggots who watch too many crime dramas espouse the cartoonish idea that schizophrenics are these straight jacketed caricatures.

>> No.15989047

>>15989025
>if you don't think his bullshit has merit you just lack empathy bro
This thread is something else.

>> No.15989059

>>15989047
>if you don't think his bullshit has merit you just lack empathy bro
>I watched youtubers talk about him and pull clips out of context so um yeah he's like a schizo big yikes

>> No.15989080

>>15989059
All I know about is TempleOS. That's all I need to know. Why go any further? Do you not appreciate your time?

>> No.15989104

>>15989080
>I don't know anything but I feel confident in smearing strangers on the internet throwing around my faggy unfounded hot take for attention

>> No.15989124

>>15989080
post your OS

>> No.15989139

>>15989104
>this guy praised on 4chan, the shittiest website ever, who was involved in TempleOS, a completely retarded and fruitless project, is totally worth wasting your time on
Yeah, nah.

>> No.15989153

>>15989139
>the shittiest website ever
Then leave faggot. No one's forcing you to stay fucking pathetic addict.

>> No.15989156

>>15989153
I'll stay. I get some good insights here. Mostly how not to think and behave.

>> No.15989190

>>15988850
>>15988850
>I never said anything about prose
Yes you did. Via implicature. Books are written in prose. Prose is where one would find philosophical concepts, therefore you spoke about prose. Similarly, about value: you positioned prose against vidya and extracted your argument noticing the asymmetries between the two media, concluding that vidya is less than (here’s where value comes into focus) books. Also, you’re right I didn’t offer an alternative criteria for vidya to be judge upon. This is because I think it’s a mug’s game. Ranking media is firstly, boring, and secondly, not constructive. I could get dragged into it, and make the argument (in similar fashion to you, though in reverse) that books don’t have 4K graphics and I can’t be as aesthetically immersed in a book, as I can with vidya. See how fucking lame that argument is? That’s what you did, but in reverse. Boring, lame and shitty reasoning.

>> No.15989271

>>15989139
you write your own bootstrapping compiler and operating system then, i'll wait

>> No.15989285

>>15986714
Yes, but they are great to read.

>> No.15989366

>>15986759
This. Reading Harry Potter is the same aa playing vidya.

>> No.15989397

why do people take this drug abusing weed nigger seriously.

>> No.15989745
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Fourty whatever, and you're taller than I will ever be. My legs are short and twisted, and I walk with difficulty. I require a special saddle to keep from falling off my horse. A saddle of my own design, you may be interested to know. It was either that or ride a pony. My arms are strong enough, but again, too short. I will never make a swordsmen. Had I been a peasant, they may have left me to die, or sold me to some or slaver's grotesquerie. My father was hand of the king for 20 years. My brother later killed that very same king, as it turns out, but life is full of these little ironies. My sister married the new king, and my repulsive nephew will be king after him. I must do my part for the honor of the house, don't you agree? Yet how? Well my legs may be too small for my body, but my head is too large, but I prefer to think it is just large enough for my mind. I have a realistic grasp of my own strengths and weaknesses. My mind is my weapon. My brother has his sword, King Robert has his warhammer, and I have my mind...and a mind needs a book like a sword needs a wetstone, if it is to keep its edge."

>> No.15989766

>>15989271
Sounds like a waste of time.

>> No.15989795

>>15989766
of course something you couldn't do no matter how much time you devoted to it would seem like a "waste of time"

>> No.15989820

>>15989795
lol wow, I feel so dumb and worthless now, I can't even code my own OS! when there are already OSs made that suit my needs perfectly! damn! guess I'll never know what it's like to be an enlightened genius.

>> No.15989846

the world is words and it's probably good to spend your time reading the greatest words ever written

>> No.15989895

>>15988667
Terry Davis was the St. Basil of the Computer age. He really ought to be beatified

>> No.15989941

>>15986714
Of course, playing Fifa and Counter Strike is exactly the same as reading Dostoevsky

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>>15986714

>> No.15990009

>>15986879
>thinks someone is a loser at 20 yrs old if they haven't "found their calling"

Ok bro you can stop projecting in hopes of bringing others down now.

>> No.15990015

>>15989190
No I didn't. You're just being pedantic and needlessly over intellectualizing what I said while putting words in my mouth. Answer my question. Can you name one video game that explains philosophical arguments as well as a book can?

>> No.15990016

>>15989941
What's the difference?

>> No.15990036

>>15988269
Lmaoing @ this post :)

>> No.15990051

Judging from the response to Joe Rogan's take, gamers seem to be a pretty black-pilled, cynical and depressing bunch. It's as though they hate life, that it wouldn't be worth living if games didn't exist.

>> No.15990061

>>15988667
Kill yourself, bug.

>> No.15990076

>>15990016
One sharpens the intellect and offers an emphatic experience. The other (vidya) dulls the intellect and offers a dope(amine) one.

>> No.15990092

>>15990051
Thankfully authors are known for their uplifting views on life and definitely not for their 1000 page novels about why life sucks

>> No.15990093

>>15988156
Why are you even here on a literature board? Anyone who thinks reading offers the same experience as a video game doesn't read very much.

>> No.15990094

>>15987203
>eyes go across the page and hands move around once every 1 to few minutes
>more sophisticated

>> No.15990102

>>15990092
Broaden your horizons, retard.

>> No.15990117

>>15990094
You're ignoring the process of reading. Most video games these days require little mental effort at all.

>> No.15990253

>>15990093
You didn't answer the question.

>> No.15990286

>>15990253
It's obvious to anyone who appreciates reading. Read more and find out yourself..or maybe it's not for you. Just stick with instant gratification

>> No.15990319

>>15990286
>can’t give a single reason
Okay faggot

>> No.15990330

>>15990319
You're like a morbidly obese tub of lard asking for reasons why he ought to be fit and in good shape.

>> No.15990387

>>15990330
A healthy person can give you a million reasons for why you should lose weight, exercise and eat healthy. You can’t even give one.

>> No.15990407

>>15987246
The only logical point in this thread.

>> No.15990412

>>15988156
Philosophy, which can't be adequately expressed in any format besides the written word.

>> No.15990428

>>15990330

Roasted

>> No.15990441

>>15986761
Kek. Spicy bait anon.

>> No.15990445

scientifically speaking reading helps with memory and attention span and other cognitive abilities and will especially help when you're older by preventing/slowing the decline of such things

>> No.15990446

>>15990387
Does he need to hear those reasons? No. If he has ever consumed a bag of carrots as opposed to a bag of doritos then he knows what the benefits are.

>> No.15990453

>>15990446
Based retard

>> No.15990457

>>15990441
Meant to quote >>15988083
>Reich
Top zoozle

>> No.15990547

>>15990319
>>15990453
When you read, you're aiding in in your self-development (morally, psychologically, etc..) and in your understanding of others. You also attain more knowledge generally. In terms of skills, you are subconsciously improving your own writing and communication skills.

When you game, the only thing you are improving at are those mechanics confined to a single game. Even in genres where mechanics are closely related, such as fighting games, you typically have to learn all over again. You take nothing with you. If your hobby is guitar, do you need to restart if you want to learn a new song or style? No. You simply add to the knowledge you have. You take the skill you. With gaming you never do. That's why it's a bottom-tier hobby.

>> No.15990558

>>15988083
Le wrong generation of writers meme

>> No.15990581

>>15986714
>reading
>staring at a screen with your mouth open pushing buttons

>> No.15990617

>>15990547
>When you read, you're aiding in in your self-development (morally, psychologically, etc..) and in your understanding of others. You also attain more knowledge generall
fucking vague as fuck, keep trying to justify all of your time wasted doing nothing more than an average gamurr did lol

>> No.15990651

>>15986879
I don't know a single person who found their calling in life by age 20. Finding your calling that early on in life is very fortunate

>> No.15990690

>>15990117
The same goes for most books though. The exception is always otherwise.

>> No.15990702

>>15986761
>There is little room for introspection when playing videogames
existential crisis when I speed through the setting sun in grand theft auto before committing a mass murder at an airport. Glitching out of bounds and watching the weather system flow over giant polygons, something most players will never even care about, will never see, all alone in my room. Blade runner quote.

>> No.15990707

>>15990702
*in grand theft auto

>> No.15990722

>>15990412
discussion suits philosophy better than writing

>> No.15990754

>>15990722
I guess that's why philosophers always pick writing as their method of philosophizing other than Socrates?

>> No.15990833

>>15986714
P1:Gamers spend most of their free time playing videogames
P2:Videogames are games
P3:Games are for kids and manchildren
C:Gamers are kids or manchildren

One more thing - here is the rule of the thumb - find a normie outside your house; if you can tell him about your hobbies without making him giggle, you are doing the right thing.

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>>15988269
Feel free to visit us over at /wwg/ >>>/diy/1868376

>>15990036
I and many other wood workers would heartily agree with it being classic literature, Charles Hayward was one of the best.

>> No.15990878

>>15986714
Obviously depends on what you read. Reading JRR Tolkien and shitty escapism nonsense, won't get you anywhere.

>> No.15990884

>>15990833
nigger

>> No.15990886

>>15986944
The entire point of productivity is the enrichment of someone's life. Name a productive activity that does not have this as it's ultimate end goal. If reading or gaming or whatever directly enriches a person's life, than there is no better thing they could be doing

>> No.15990895

>>15990833
>sports are for children
found the fatty

>> No.15990918

Life is meaningless, so there is no such thing as a "waste of time".

>> No.15990965

>>15990918
Unfortunately true.

>> No.15990985

>>15986944
Vocabulary building in my mother tongue and in my other languages. I work as a translator so it has also made me a reasonable amount of money.

>> No.15991001

books are for manchilldren

>> No.15991023

>>15988083
based

>> No.15991031

>>15990918
every second that passes is another portion of your short time in this existence which will never come again and is crystallized into history forever

>> No.15991050

>>15987480
>ego and it's own
vidyas probably a lot better

>> No.15991097

>boomers critcising a new medium

>> No.15991108

>>15986714
People who read books are rare. People who read books to learn specific things they need to immediately apply them are even rarer.

That's why some people don't read fiction, because they perceive it as a waste of time. But non-fiction can be as well if you read it believing you're making progress towards a goal but in reality you're action-faking.

The ancients already said that accumulation of knowledge without application is useless. It's like porn for your intellect.

>> No.15991258

>>15991108
There's definitely things to learn from fictional characters and settings if they're used to stage a greater theme for the reader to reflect upon. But that coincides with your point about action-faking, a lot of people just read fiction for the plot.

>> No.15991290

>>15986752
no

>> No.15991302

>>15991108
Then what would one ought to be doing when they are tired of seeking their purpose of life? What is the appropriate abode to return to then?

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I would say that videogames that are about exploration tend to fill my imagination up and at times have fueled ideas for stories, so I guess it stands they are worth something.

>> No.15991422

>>15988761
>and has about 1,000,000 times more fame
What good did it do him?

>>15988667
>Davis is a meme who has achieved nothing.
Sure, he's not Carmack but writing him off as a meme isn't exactly fair considering his unfavorable mental state.

>> No.15991426

>>15990076
Reading is a dopamine thing too.

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Thoughts on this game?

>> No.15991472

>>15991437
pretty great, MD and HR are good as well

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this game was pretty great

>> No.15991566

>you'll get nowhere smoking weed

>> No.15991567

>>15986944
Growth of the soil made me a better person in several ways, and it gave me peace. also, it taught me that it's ok to hit women sometimes which is something many people nowadays get wrong

>> No.15991573

>>15991326
99% of videogamers don't achieve this state. We know who Joe Rogan is talking about - the hikikimori folk who jerk off to when the next Halo/FIFA game comes out.

>> No.15991582

>>15986714
Best take on this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u7rRqRJf1w

>> No.15991599

>>15986714
Joe Rogan has never said this, he said he loves videogames and regularly gets addicted to Quake and has to force himself to stop playing.

>> No.15991607

>>15986714
Who cares? You are allowed to have downtime, be entertained and enjoy things. Life is not the absolute constant pursuit of self betterment, which is a great way to become Patrick Bateman, burnt out or developing disorders.

You probably won't get anywhere playing videogames, but the same goes for seeing your friends and family, drinking beer, going for walks, playing sports or listening to music, but people do them because they are enjoyable ways to spend time.

>> No.15991609

>>15991599
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_SkUqOVP-0

>> No.15991620

>>15986978
>Spending 40 hours a week for 50 years typing numbers into a spreadsheet to make a group of people who don't care about you lots of money is a blessing

HAHHAHAHAHAHAH

>> No.15991623

>>15987480
Nice bait

>> No.15991630

>>15987686
>Taught me history

Literally pointless. What are you gonna do with that, go on a quiz show?

>> No.15991680

>>15990547
>When you game, the only thing you are improving at are those mechanics confined to a single game. Even in genres where mechanics are closely related, such as fighting games, you typically have to learn all over again. You take nothing with you.
That's fucking bullshit, take any fighting game player and put him in another fighting game, I assure you he'll be able to pick up the game much more quickly than a new player. Same with FPS players, take a guy who plays Counter Strike and make him play Titanfall, he'll pick up the game much more quickly than someone who has never played an FPS game before.

>> No.15991703

you're allowed to take pleasure both in work and recreation the world is fucked enough without a generation of young people berating themselves for not being an ubermensch chad by age 24

>> No.15991705

>>15991630
disregard his post, he's a christian lol

>> No.15991797

>>15991703
Video games are far more dangerous than you put it. These are addictive substances, not merely for recreation. It's like saying Twitter/Facebook/Reddit are used solely as information hubs - are they really just that? Or are they specifically engineered to make people addicts? When you see an individual with accounts on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, Reddit and much more, what do you call him/her? A slave to quick dopamine fixes? How many accounts does someone need? I am glad that 4chan is anonymous so I don't get obsessed over points/upvotes/likes. I say what I want and if I rage, I forget about it the day tomorrow.

>> No.15991811

People don't read the same book for up to 3000 hours.

>> No.15991813

>>15991705
Fedoras aren't welcome here.

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>>15986714
Unless, you are a gaming content creator. Checkmate.

>> No.15991851

>>15991811
some people do

>> No.15991860

>>15991797
>Video games are far more dangerous than you put it.These are addictive substances
you sound like my granddad

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My kids will never play video games if I can help it. Not only is it a complete waste of time as a hobby, it is by far the most subversive form of media. They're psychologically manipulative in order to encourage kids to continue playing but they also include subtle political messaging that can't easily be monitored by parents. It's right up there with porn and masturbation in terms of how much they're encouraging children to engage with them and it's because videos games are a form of political control.

>> No.15991874

>>15991869
ok boomer

>> No.15991884

>>15991869
You won't have kids, don't worry about it.

>> No.15991885

>>15991582
Nick makes good points here but keep in mind that he doesn't read fiction at all, he's talking mostly about history, philosophy, political theory. The question of using your own critical thinking versus outsourcing it to books and articles is not as relevant when applied to reading poetry or novels, although the issue of conSOOMing as a frenzied activity still applies.

>> No.15991894

>>15991869
>implying incels have children

>> No.15991904

>>15991894
Say it a few more times

>> No.15991906

>>15991797

Lol frankly speaking most people are dumb as shit and it's reflected in their method of use. same way drugs are not to be blamed for a person deciding to abuse them. I'm getting to the point where I think most people deserve being rounded up like cattle because most cannot even handle a simple photo sharing app and suddenly their brains strung out on a fairly easy to devise dopamine hacking response.

>> No.15991949

>>15986714
>you'll get nowhere playing videogames
the eternal anglo can't fathom the idea of not working for once

>> No.15991991

>>15991906
I have more sympathy than you do because the cattle are purposely made cattle by corporate elites who are spending hundreds of billions of $$$ in advertisement to get this response. That's why you end up with ridiculous phrases that are unironically said such as "Work harder to shop Harder." That shit is satire once you realise the absurdity of it. The pressures to consume are immense and 99.9% of people suffer the consequences. Very very few are aware of this.

>> No.15992005

I think it tells us something that gamers get so angry when you insult their hobby. I don't get offended when somebody insults reading because I'm confident in its merits but these people are obsessed with defending their tranny characters.

>> No.15992104

>>15992005
you faggots get mad when you propose an idea that videogames also might have some value which is the same shit

>> No.15992113

>>15988083
Philosophy is crap hhough

>> No.15992163

>>15992104
People aren't angry just because they disagree with you. I think you have rage issues related to your videogame consumption, and it's so bad you can't even see it as abnormal, and thus you associate the same sort of anger you have with everyone else. The media you consume is violent and videogames as a whole are degenerate. They're psychologically exploitative, violent, and they're used for political purposes, pushing particular views and philosophies onto impressionable minds. Have you ever wondered why feminists have been so obsessed with them lately? They see the power of video games for political control.

>> No.15992183

>>15992163
>The media you consume is violent
I meant to say the media you consume affects the way you think

>> No.15992192

>>15991620
Do data entry jobs even still exist nihlist grandad?

>> No.15992222

>>15986944
The rational male - helped me understand women and deconditioned me to be nice, be cute, buy her stuff to make her fall in love with you mindset. Instead taught me that the answer is not 1 trick or pua routines but rather hit the gym, fix other areas of life and women aren't really that glamorous

>> No.15992224

>>15992163
you don't even know me you closeminded fool

>> No.15992233

MGS2 Sons of Liberty is great. James Joyce is also great. I have enjoyed many things, but I have disregarded more.

>> No.15992242

>>15992224
You've insulted me multiple times now for no reason other than disagreement so I know enough to say you have anger problems. You're defending videogames so you probably play them. Videogames are generally violent and they can affect the way you think. Violence and anger are often connected so i feel justified in the conclusion that your videogame consumption is a contributing factor to your irrational anger.

>> No.15992251

>>15986953
Ah man, john green books are su guud. Need to post a pic of it on ig to share its goodness. Maybe sttaaeert a book account on instagram reviewing john green, hurdy plutar, and other great authors of our time, the greatest time in history to be alvife, global village ebverybudy.

>> No.15992258

>>15992242
>You've insulted me multiple times now for no reason other than disagreement
this is 4chan you faggot, do you even know where you are lol?

>> No.15992282

>>15992258
Yes I'm aware of where I am but that's beside the point. People who aren't mad don't act like that so I have reason to believe you're angry. You said I don't know anything about you and I'm explaining the reasoning behind my opinions of you.

>> No.15992288

>>15992282
ok now go get yourself a cookie, you deserved it

>> No.15992295

>>15992288
For what, am I congratulating myself over something? You are the biggest argument against videogames use.

>> No.15992327

>>15986944
My knowledge of argentinian culture helped me impress a thot and fuck her. Thanks Borges!

>> No.15992329

>>15992295
ok, no read your big philosophy book faggot

>> No.15992387

>>15987306
No, it's because self help books are grifter trash for retards.

>> No.15992428

I just play video games until I get bored. All I do in GTA V is kill NPCs online with my friend. It's literally just mindless murder for me. The quests they want you to do are repetitive and boring. Killing people in a video game never gets old, for some reason.

>> No.15992433

>>15992428
gta 5 overall was meh to me personally, all other ones were better

>> No.15992435

>>15986944
It introduces you to a bigger vocabulary and good grammar if you read good books. Reading is a skill you absolute pseud

>> No.15992440

>>15990547
i like slow paced western RPGs and metroidvanias, they arent like that

>> No.15992445

>>15992251
Have you even read The Fault in Our Stars?

>> No.15992451

>>15992192
>Implying accountancy, accounts, marketing, finance, logistics and admin aren't just typing numbers in a spreadsheet with a few extra steps

Have you had a real job yet?

>> No.15992460

>>15986752
lol ok retard

>> No.15992463

>>15986944
Taught me ethics.

>> No.15992476

>>15986879
It's a good way to cope with life, I give you that. In the rare case, it might inspire you to do something but very rarely it happens if you are a loser at 20/30/40 whatever.

>> No.15992480

>>15992433
I don't care.

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>> No.15992488

>>15992480
ok incel

>> No.15992490

>>15986818
i wanna know the annswer to this too. tell us o bugman.

>> No.15992513

>>15991797

4chan is clearly some kind of addiction. I’d guess 60% of the users compulsively browse their favorite boards even if they’re not truly interested in what they’re looking at. I compulsively look at this stupid website. I never use Facebook, Instagram, Twitter etc. and the “like” model has never appealed to me. Not a single point in my life of using the internet have I felt driven to curate a presence on social media for likes. But I come to this shit hole almost every day. I’ve managed to peel myself away for some months, actually thinking I’ve escaped, and then for some twisted reason I come back once and I’m in another cycle.

>> No.15992516

>>15992490
get paid and laid

>> No.15992595

>>15986714

You'll get nowhere playing books?

>> No.15992631

>>15986761
Being a Starcraft tryhard nerd is exactly the same as reading the Art of War, except you get to figure it all out for yourself.

>> No.15992739

>>15992163
For me they're just an outlet for my desire to partake in competition. To get good at any competitive game you literally transcend all the stuff you seem so concerned about. The first thing you do is reduce the game to its abstract mechanics. You then optimize mechanical skill and develop strategies, then see if you're better than other people playing the game. For me it's very similar to how I enjoy playing sports.

Now, if we're talking about casuals who play single player narrative driven games or aimlessly dick around in sandbox games for hours upon hours, I'd tend to agree with you. Literally just read a book instead. However, a book can't deliver the satisfaction derived from direct competition and real life teamwork.

If you characterize me as "raging" I will have to characterize you as a no good shitter.

>> No.15992760

>>15992445

i mean who doesnt read goodreads choice award winner masterpieces.

>> No.15992768

>>15992513
It's nice to "talk" to other people and get one's thoughts and ideas out there for second opinions. Good posting on 4chan literally does no harm. :3

>> No.15992799
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15992799

>>15992760
Its a little book, I read it in two sittings. The least you can do is read it before passing a judgement. If the same story had been written by one of your fancy Russian writers in 19th century your pseud ass would be going gaga over it now.

>> No.15992820

why are movies not a target
easily the most braindead, consumable of the mediums

>> No.15992895

>>15992799
no

>> No.15992916

>>15992820
Criticism of movies has moved on to whether enough diversity is being shown. You're right though, although I'd guess that watching movies is down far less often than playing games.

>> No.15992973

>>15992895
You just don't dare.

>> No.15992993

>>15990870
based

>> No.15993428

>>15986714
Books will at least provide you with more and greater knowledge and wisdom, but if you don’t work to apply these you’re functionally identical to the archetypal gamer.

Just like me.

>> No.15993438

>>15987203
Imagine looking at a person reading literally just moving a page a couple inches for hours and hours
>flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip flip

>> No.15993453

>>15986944
I discovered buddhism.

>> No.15993528

>>15992387
>No, it's because [insert genre here] books are grifter trash for retards.

>> No.15993543

>every single poster ITT being a modernity-poisoned faggot who cannot think in terms of anything but buglike cost/benefit analyses, improvements and instrumental value

>> No.15993609

>>15986714
you can say the same about anything because his mindset was
>no matter how much you play video games it's incredibly unlikely you'll make millions from it

>> No.15993678

Why are there so many /v/ermin in this thread. I’m glad I quit playing video games in college a few years back. League of Legends and WoW almost ruined my life. No way am I letting my kids play any games on the computer.

>> No.15993684

>>15993678
how will you get kids if you never get laid?

>> No.15993716

>>15993684
I’m brown. My parents will arrange me with someone in a few years.

>> No.15993754

>>15993716
>sandniggers on /lit/

>> No.15993767

>you'll get nowhere doing x
Yes, cause life is meaningless and it doesn't matter what you do for your short period on earth

>> No.15993791

>>15993543
this and also lethal doses of copium ITT

>> No.15993799

>>15993754
White boy seething over the web. Sorry I make you mad kid.

>> No.15993819

>>15987579
The thing I really dislike is that almost none of the gamers I know actually have an interest in video games outside of mechanics and gameplay. I’ve had a friend who's beaten Dark Souls 70 times and has no idea what the game is about. Even if a game does have interesting aesthetic or narrative merit (Like Dark Souls) most players don't care beyond the most superficial level. I think there are really good games that qualify as artistic media, but conversations about those qualities have a long way to go.

>> No.15993833

>>15986944
I seems like you're presupposing that any activity can only improve your life if it provides material benefits. Obviously reading a book on its own won't ever do that, so what you're saying is trivially true in that sense. But reading great literature and philosophy has absolutely improved my life mentally and emotionally, which I guess you just discredit as meaningless.

>> No.15993845

>>15986752
Based

>> No.15993857

>>15993819
To be honest, most stories are very shallow or get extremely convoluted through out the series.

>> No.15993961

>>15990617
>keep trying to justify your time wasted
You're doing the same thing with games. Only it's obvious with gamers as they get so enraged defending their childish hobby.

>> No.15994840

>>15991860
And he is right, sonny.

>> No.15995123

>>15986953
>>15986953
This doesn’t account for fiction written by authors like Pynchon or DFW, for example. Gravity’s Rainbow or Infinife Jest are both reading experiences that promulgate philosophical pontification and, more generally, critical thinking. Was this meant to be bait Anon?

>> No.15995210

>>15987496
You’re not accounting for games like Bioshock that inspired and informed my decision to branch out into philosophical/more sophisticated literature. If I hadn’t played Bioshock I would’ve never picked up Down and Out in Paris and London by Orwell. Video Games are like any other art form; there’s the low brow junk culture entries — Call of Duty, Fortnite — and the high brow cerebral entries — Bioshock, Shadow of the Colossus, some portions of MGS 2, Dark Souls.

>> No.15995239

Fallout New Vegas is better written than any NYT bestseller.

>> No.15995306

>>15992513
accept it anon, you wont be able to leave until you have someone (irl or online) to share your mind with. 4chan provides that right now.

this anon >>15992768 is right, we are social beings and gotta know opinions of others on stuff we have opinions on.

occasionally, this place is genuinely fun and comfy, so i try my best to keep it like that :)

>> No.15995568

I am very sceptical about the value of most books, once you reach the intellectual level of not being a complete retard.
I can read Aristotle defending slavery for hours, I can read about different religions like Buddhism, Christianity etc. or I can read books arguing against religion. I can compare the philosophy of Nietzsche and Shopenhauer, or read ancient Greek poetry but in the end I always feel like my horizons only get broader but I don't get any closer to any truth, I only understand more conflicting views.

The people who claim they profited the most from certain books are usually the people who feel like they have found some degree of certainty in those books, like people who became Christians after reading Aquinas or something like that. As we see in this thread however, different people still have different views and those who think they have found truth only feel that way because it makes them feel good, whatever truth they found is not actually objectively true or even if it is by coincidence, the book didn't actually provide an irrefutable proof.

>> No.15995570

>>15995123
Protip: Pynchon, DFW, and most lauded fiction written after the 19th century, are crap.

>> No.15995780

>>15995210
Okay then. Tell me what the video game equivalent of “Crime and Punishment” is. Too hard? How about the equivalent of “Barry Lyndon,” or even “The Tree of Life.” Don’t even try to compare a ‘Video Game’ to the works of JS Bach or Vivaldi you addict. If you want to experience the divinity of art, you won’t find it in a commercial commodity whose sole purpose is to generate money. Video games are created by a corporate table, not a passionate individual looking to express himself. The most artistic game in my opinion is Minecraft, at least when Notch owned it.

>> No.15995845

>>15992513
There is no other places like Chans. I could join some IRL book club but the experience would be very different. Sometimes the trolling and the /pol/ shit get annoying but overall most people are pretty honest which is very refreshing.

>> No.15996069

>>15988568
why are you writing that in C++, just use pytorch baka

>> No.15996102

>>15990015

You judge value solely based on philosophy. Broaden your horizons.

>> No.15996243

>>15995570
DFW, yes. Pynchon, no

>> No.15997075

>>15986714
professional dota 2 players and starcraft players are clearly smarter than any nerd reading focault and heidegger

>> No.15997153

>>15988744
Philosophy can be taught and examined through fiction in the same way we it can be taught in other forms of art like plays,movies, and music. Existentialism was heavily looked at through the lens of fiction through the works of Dostoevsky and Camus among others.

>> No.15997211

>>15988744
>>15997153
Samefagging, but another point I'd like to add. Isn't the expression of other cultures just another way of learning about the philosophies of the time? Absurdism was a cultural expression of post WWII Europe that was expressed through various different works of fiction.

>> No.15997300

>>15986714
Fucking retarded nigger! No way American burger fags or whatever the fuck they are... are this fucking stupid! I mean, if you find reading books isn't worth the time spent on it, then what's the fucking difference between you and the fucking niggers in Mali or the fucking rock niggers in pre-white Britain Australia? Like there's books for geography that helps you learn shits from maps to types of rocks etc etc... and there's books about medical shit that teach you types of diseases, now if you didn't read books about these topics, what the fuck is the difference between your shitty fucking retarded brain and the fucking shitty fucking brain of the Australian niggers? vidyas aside though I'm talking about books here as vidyas isn't worth your time?

>> No.15997441

>>15997300
go back to /pol/ shit for brains.