/de/ - German Lit General

[Anonymous No.15985277]

Collection thread for discussing German literature, especially more obscure authors whose threads wouldnt get much traction otherwise, and also get recs for German literature and tips on language learning.

I've recently read Austerlitz and do not quite see the appeal in it to be honest. Some of the parts were indeed interesting (I liked his memories from the welsh pastor and history teacher best), but I think the prose isnt that good and large parts are simply boring.
Did I get pleb-filtered?

[Anonymous No.15985316]

This guy is Austrian, not German, but it's close enough:
Is The Man Without Qualities/anything else by Musil worth reading? I've heard a lot about it, but it seems very long (and it's unfinished, so that's slightly frightening).

[Anonymous No.15985330]

>>15985316
>This guy is Austrian, not German
Austrians are indisputably ethnic Germans

[Anonymous No.15985340]

>>15985277
If you are traditional here are some recommendations:
Wilhelm Raabe
Gottfried Keller
Theodor Storm
Hermann Löns (Der Wehrwolf)

Walter Flex (Wanderer zwischen zwei Welten)
Ernst Jünger

Grimm (Deutsche Mythologie)
Nibelungenlied
Johann K. A. Musäus (Volksmärchen der Deutschen)
Felix Dahn (Kampf um Rom)

So far for non autistic german /lit/. Last but not least never reade Hesse. He is the absolute shit and only faggot-loving pseuds freel read him in germany.

[Anonymous No.15985365]

>>15985316
Törleß is a nice intro to him. I'd read that before trying to tackle the MWQ.

[Anonymous No.15985371]

>>15985330
even if they arent they wrote in the german language, thus can be counted to German literature. Friedrich Dürrenmatt for instance (yes, I know, I know) also was a Swiss german but is part of german literary inheritance and read in German schools, and he wrote in german too.

>>15985340
idk his prose is nice but I feel like it doesnt really have much of a statement.

[Anonymous No.15985446]

anyone here learning german? just finished the equivalent of the 3rd year of german at my uni. not really good enough to read complex literature yet.

[Anonymous No.15985485]

>>15985277
Read The Rings of Saturn, it's the greatest book since Ulysses

[Anonymous No.15985524]

read the ship by hans henny jahnn
try arno schmidt
handke, bernhard, jelinek etc can be saved for old age, kind of just entertainment lit

[Anonymous No.15985583]

>>15985524
Write their full names, mutts have a problem finding them otherwise.

[Anonymous No.15985602]

>>15985277
Writing my thesis on German Romanticism rn
here's the shortlist of best works (IMO)
-The Golden Pot (any E.T.A. Hoffmann really)
-The Runenberg (Ludwig Tieck)
-Heinrich von Ofterdingen (Novalis)

The latter being the crown jewel of early romanticism and incredibly influential on the former two. Reading in translation can still be OK. If you feel courageous you can always buy the reclam versions for a couple of bucks and work through them with a dictionary on hand.

[Anonymous No.15985624]

>>15985602
what's your thesis

[Anonymous No.15985659]

>>15985277
I want to learn german and im currently listening to german podcasts just to bombard my brain with german even though i dont understand what they are saying. I think this is a good idea. Any tips?

[Anonymous No.15985706]

>>15985659
Watch movie intead of radio podcasts, you need to see the mimic and gestic to really learn a language properly.

[Anonymous No.15985710]

>>15985624
Romanticism's influence on reactionary ideology in the 20th century.
TL;DR - Romantics were fascists (and in my mind that's a GOOD thing)

[Anonymous No.15985724]

>>15985659
No.
Best way to learn German is to watch German dubbed cartoons you're familiar with - something like spongebob - WITH German subtitles on.
Other than that I've heard DuoLingo is a good way to keep up language skills but I have no used it personally

[Anonymous No.15985735]

>>15985724
Ah, yes that is probably a better idea. I will try to do that, thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.15985737]

>>15985710
Post more recommended works, anon.

[Anonymous No.15985764]

>>15985724
especially considering germany has best spongebob dub.

[Anonymous No.15985891]

>>15985316
>not German
"Deutsch" is a fiction coined for the Bund. All it would have taken for "Austrians" to be "Deutsch" would have been for those kingdoms to join the Bund. "Deutsch" is inherently multi-ethnic with a shared language (to some extent).

[Anonymous No.15985909]

>>15985891
Same way France, Spain and Italy are multiethnic. For a large part of its history Austria considered itself just as much german as Bavarians do, it even called itself "Republik Deutschösterreich" after ww1 but had to change its name due to Entente. Really, the only reason Austria is not part of Germany is because of Allies.

[Anonymous No.15985921]

>>15985446
>anyone here learning german?
German, as is English, is a lifelong study. If you are a native English speaker then you are ready for Easy Ways to Enlarge Your German Vocabulary by Karl A. Schmidt.

[Anonymous No.15985944]

>>15985737
Obviously as an academic work I'm really just recycling secondary and even tertiary sources.
For actual /lit/ I'm working with those authors above, along with Goethe's Faust, which is kind of only addressed because academics are so obsessed with him. FWIW Hoffmann is a better Romanticist but that's kind of comparing apples to oranges since Goethe's strong suit is poetry instead of symbolism. But I digress.

Here's a great essay about Faust and Heidegger's understanding of technology - who of course was an influential proto-fascist intellectual.
https://www.academia.edu/9822446/Goethes_Faust_and_Heideggers_Critique_of_Technology

[Anonymous No.15985960]

>>15985446
I found classes to be completely fake. I got an A+ year 1 and 2 and barely felt like I knew anything. None of the other students seemed to mind this or their shitty German skills so I felt like I was in a special needs class, which further lowered my motivation. The only guy who was really good was the one who just went to live in Germany for a good while.

The only thing that did it was reading in German. Fuck complex literature for now, but go get a book on a topic you care about and just take that shit apart nigga. Anything goes, including cheating with google translate, as long as you are getting the information. Your brain doesn't care if you cheat, because your brain will automatically be annoyed at having to look up the same word for the tenth time and finally remember it.

When you do that for a couple months you will be astonished at how much vocab you assimilated without noticing, thousands of words. Then you have a good base for reading literature. Fuck flashcards man.

Classes are only good for speaking practice.

[Anonymous No.15985967]

>>15985710
>Romanticism's influence on reactionary ideology in the 20th century.

Sounds neat, any recommendations?

[Anonymous No.15985985]

>>15985659
>i dont understand what they are saying
You are doing it wrong. You need comprehensible input. Watch input wherein you are already familiar with the material so the new words and grammar are overlapping with the concepts with which you are already familiar. Children's books are good for comprehensible input because of the associated pictures.

[Anonymous No.15986005]

>>15985967
Hölderlin, elegies (Brot und Wein in particular)
Novalis, Hymnen an die Nacht

[Anonymous No.15986012]

>>15985960
>google translate
Try Deepl

[Anonymous No.15986227]

why is nobody recommending actual worthwhile classics? lmao

[Anonymous No.15986243]

>>15986227
op asked for more esoteric stuff anon

[Anonymous No.15986649]

>>15986227
Be the change you want to see.

[Anonymous No.15986789]

>>15985277
Whatever you do stay away from canetti, haas, jelinek. all cancer in their own way. i like jünger, goethe, löns. doderer is supposedly great but i have yet to read on of his works.

[Anonymous No.15986815]

>>15985277
Ugly flag. Here, have a better one

[Anonymous No.15986881]

>>15986815

[Anonymous No.15986908]

>>15986881
>Rechtsextrem
Ich bin Liberal/Libertär und Amerikaner

[Anonymous No.15987256]

>>15985710
absolute garbage take. Read the early Friedrich Schlegel and Novalis’ theoretical writings (and no, Die Christenheit oder Europa is not a proto-fascist text). Next, read Manfred Franks writings on German Romanticism. Solely the mode of reflection required by the romanticist (aesthetic) theory excludes any genuine connection to fascism. Late Romanticism displayed nationalist and reductive tendencies but you have to show where it substantially connects to fascism, beyond the findings of Rüdiger Safranski in his book in Romanticism.

[Anonymous No.15987274]

>>15985944
Why are you saying that Hoffmann is a “better Romanticist” than Goethe? Did you actually pay attention in German literary history? Goethe abhorred Hoffmann and everything the “degenerated” romanticist movement embodied. He only respected Byron, because he really wasn’t a romanticist.

[Anonymous No.15987316]

>>15986005
> Interpreting Hölderlin as the forefather of modern reactionaries

You know that what he lamented as “Das Göttliche” has nothing to do with reactionary and/or fascist ideals? Hölderlin was even a Jacobin, he was all for the French Revolution.

[Anonymous No.15987341]

Read Heinrich Heine's poems and literary criticism. He also has some nice conspiracy theories.

>As Jesus Christ is to this excellent son of Hammonia, so is Shakespeare to me. It takes the heart out of me when I remember that he is an Englishman, and belongs to the most repulsive race which God in His wrath ever created.

[Anonymous No.15987402]

>>15987341
He absolutely loathed the British lmao
Heine is a good antidote to all this nationalist/reactionary reception of German literature. He was a Jew and an anti-reactionary author, the one who ended Romanticism while being the last Romanticist; his prose and poetry is some of the best ever produced in German language.

[Anonymous No.15987414]

>>15987402
a toast to your excellent taste sir

[Anonymous No.15987602]

>>15987402
he was a self-loathing anti-german kike
Germany, a winter's tale is complete dogshit take on the very culture he was raised in.

[Anonymous No.15987663]

>>15987602
You misspelled god tier take, faggot
He saw through all this faggotry of fake nationalism and patriotic fraternity, all this putrid garbage that ruined German culture

[Anonymous No.15987906]

>Profitable business of Milkshops pleases my ego

Jokes aside I really love reading Der Einzige und sein Eigentum I'm about halfway through, As an individualist, I can agree with him on many ideas.

[Anonymous No.15987961]

It's funny just how much I could agree with Stirner when reading Der Einzige und sein Eigentum, i'm about halfway through the book, helped me accept my individuality, or should I say "My unique".

>Milk shops are very profitable as well.

[Anonymous No.15987990]

>>15985960
yeah the classes are pretty easy but we have a pretty good department aat my school that cares a lot about the students. i should read more though. my dad is german and we have been there many times since i was young which has helped a ton for my pronunciation.

bei welche universitat studierst du?

[Anonymous No.15988805]

>>15987341
>Heinrich Heine
Fuck that Jewish Communist. I was forced to memorize Leise zieht durch mein Gemüt and I have just recently purged it. He belongs in the garbage.

[Anonymous No.15989529]

What is some simple language German /lit/ aside from Hesse?

[Anonymous No.15989535]

>>15989529
I don't know if something is wrong with me but I had an easier time reading Goethe than Hesse.

[Anonymous No.15989738]

>>15989535
>I don't know if something is wrong with me
Hesse is intentionally obtuse.

[Anonymous No.15989956]

>>15987990
>3rd year of german and still cannot properly formulate a simple question
>3rd year of german and doesn't know the declensions
Nothing against you but we really do live in a very, very dark age.

[Anonymous No.15990058]

>>15989956
I agree. It is amazing how much of your time a school can burn while teaching you nothing.

[Anonymous No.15990185]

>>15989956
declensions are one of the harder parts of german, especially coming from a language with none. learning a language includes writing imperfect sentences, including to other learners. seethe more pretentious retard

[Anonymous No.15990216]

>>15990185
*declinations

[Anonymous No.15990378]

>>15990185
What exactly is pretentious about me expecting you to have memorized a bunch of endings after three years of learning German? I didn't mean to offend you, but education truly has gone down the drain.

[Anonymous No.15990769]

>>15990378
>drawing large conclusions about the quality of education from a single sentence from an anon on 4chan of which you know almost nothing about (eg what university, general aptitude, whether learning for reading or business etc.)

>just a bunch of endings
again, coming from a language which has no declinations it is not just memorizing the endings. it is memorizing the context in which the endings occur, which is not easy.

[Anonymous No.15990933]

>>15985710
fascism is not a reactionary ideology

[Anonymous No.15990938]

>>15986908
fick dich

[Anonymous No.15991152]

>>15990933
Explain how it isn’t. Isn’t one of their ideals to reorganize society to go back to some golden age of unity of race and culture?

[Anonymous No.15991160]

>>15988805
You’ve been filtered, pleb

[Anonymous No.15991185]

>>15985316
The greatest work of the 20th century and possibly of all time. You will not be disappointed, it is monumental in every way. After it, I'd recommend Kafka, Broch, Gombrowicz and Hasek; Kundera as well.

[Anonymous No.15991187]

Where can I find scripts for German movies, preferentially written by Werner Herzog?

Also, do you know where I can find the text of Monty Python's German episodes?

I want to practice the texts and then start watching ad infinitum until I memorize.

I am just starting to learn German.

[Anonymous No.15991198]

>>15989738
>>15989535
What? Maybe translations are weird, but Hesse is definitely very easily read.

>>15989529
Ödön von Horvath is pretty good. Going to trigger you if you're a fascist though like half the people here seem to be

[Anonymous No.15991304]

>>15989529
Cat and Mouse by Gunter Grass

[Anonymous No.15991330]

>>15985446
If you know the basics I'd recommend playing video games with German dubs. It helped me immensely. Try to find games with a lot of text and voice lines like rpgs and adventure games. Learning a language this way also gave more justification and meaning to this godforsaken hobby, so there's that.

[Anonymous No.15991341]

>>15991187
I also had this problem when I started learning German. It is virtually impossible to find German subtitles for movies for some reason. So I switched to playing video games with German dubs. It's better than watching movies anyway because it has more repetition. I'm >>15991330 btw

[Anonymous No.15991385]

Ich kann jedem von euch Negern so was von das Märchen "der goldene Topf" ans Herz legen (auch wenn der Autor manchmal zu einem eher langweiligem Schriebstil neigt).

[Anonymous No.15991544]

>>15989529
Die Räuber

[Anonymous No.15991814]

>>15985944
From your perspective and goal, which works should be better known and read? A collection which you would call canon-relevant? Your recommendation about technology sound very interesting. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.15991826]

>>15987341
>Heine
Absolute kikel meme tier. Why not recommending Hesse or some holocauster tier novel about masturbation Fließbänder?

[Anonymous No.15992119]

>>15991198
They’re being openly fascists only were they are safe in anonymity, and it’s more performative than real, cause being a fascist online is edgy now

[Anonymous No.15992126]

>>15991385
Halt deine Fresse du dummes Stück Scheiße

[Anonymous No.15992135]

>>15992126
Und wenn ihr schon Hoffmann lesen wollt, lest lieber den Sandmann und das Majorat

[Anonymous No.15992147]

>>15991826
You’re a prime example why fascists were the biggest philistines who ever lived, even bigger philistines than the Bolschewists and the proponents of socialist realism

[Anonymous No.15992148]

>>15985446
Yeah, I got to reading level in 3 months (I'm neet).

[Anonymous No.15992179]

>>15986649
Theodore Roosevelt said this, not this faggot, but yeah good translation

[Anonymous No.15992195]

>>15987341
Well if the English produced Shakespeare then they're not really the worst, are they?
Also Heine's writing is astoundingly beautiful

[Anonymous No.15992219]

>>15990378
I mean not knowing declensions is bad but some people struggle with grammar. You could have been less abrasive.

[Anonymous No.15992334]

>>15991198
Seconding Ödön. Youth without God is such a wonderfull novel, I watched a theatre inscenation of it first and while it was modernist (no costumes, moving stage and so on) it was actually leaving an impression, not like modernism and subversion for the sake of it.

[Anonymous No.15992372]

>>15992147
>kvetch kvetch everyone is fascist who doesn't salivate over some kikel lover
Ask me how I know you have been publicly educated, pleb.

[Anonymous No.15992384]

>>15992372
>yiddish word
begone burger

[Anonymous No.15992411]

>>15992384
>burger
Legst Dich mit mir an, Alter?

[Anonymous No.15992515]

Seid doch eh alles nur linke Schwuchteln und Transen hier auf /lit

[Anonymous No.15992600]

>>15992515
OP hier, ich bin für meinen Teil Katholik und Faschist.

[Anonymous No.15992632]

>>15992600
>Katholik
gibt's nicht mehr lang

[Anonymous No.15992668]

>>15992600
Christianity is inherently cucked. The only facist version of catholicism would look somehow like pic related.

[Anonymous No.15992726]

>>15992600
Basiert und hoffentlich sede vacante pilliert.

[Anonymous No.15992859]

>>15992668
Traditional Catholicism is inherently fascist, which why thy tried to cuck it with the second vatican council.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvl_J_Qn5JM

[Anonymous No.15992910]

>>15985316
Pages and pages of pseudo-intellectual ramblings. Waste of time.

[Anonymous No.15992943]

>>15992859
>he he he look those spaniards are just like KKK!!
unironically neck yourself
you're right about VCII though

[Anonymous No.15992985]

>>15991185
>Kafka, Broch, Gombrowicz and Hasek; Kundera
Are you sharing Feindpropaganda again, Moshe?

[Anonymous No.15992992]

>>15992943
>post about aesthetics
>spergs about the aesthetics of a Karfreitagsprozession
What do you even want?

[Anonymous No.15993246]

>>15992600
>Faschist
literarisch keine reale Ideologie

[Anonymous No.15993324]

>>15992600
Bist du ein Ösi?

[Anonymous No.15993439]

>>15991330
Amy games you recommend with good dubs?

[Anonymous No.15993942]

>>15993246
Erstens, auf Deutsch heißt das „buchstäblich“, zweitens, Faschismus *ist* eine Ideologie, du Plebejer

[Anonymous No.15993962]

>>15992985
I swear to god, fascists are even worse than leftist proponents of idpol, as soon as it comes out that some author has Jewish heritage any discussion on the intrinsic aesthetic merit is immediately dropped. Philiströse Banausen allesamt.

[Anonymous No.15993995]

>>15992859
Fascists seem to have some kind of Fetisch with Catholicism, even when both ideologies do not really converge except on some loose term of „tradition“. Anyway, both are inherently cucked ideologies.

[Anonymous No.15994002]

can we get back to discussing German /lit/

[Anonymous No.15994011]

>>15992372
Your vocabulary instantly gives away your fascism, faggot

[Anonymous No.15994012]

>>15993962
>kvetch kvetch why do they persecute me so
Show Ariernachweis, subversives Element.

[Anonymous No.15994026]

>>15994002
Blame those idiots who just can’t have a decent discussion on German lit without inserting their facist fuckery

[Anonymous No.15994040]

Hey facists, when's ww3? Getting kind of boring.

[Anonymous No.15994045]

>>15994012
I‘m literally a German catholic, faggot

[Anonymous No.15994046]

>>15994026
Well, stop posting shitty non-german recommendations in a thrad supposed to contain the works of german geniuses.

[Anonymous No.15994051]

Is Buddenbrooks the correct starting point for Thomas mann?

[Anonymous No.15994063]

>>15994051
Yes, but you also can start with Tod in Venedig if you just want to explore Mann‘s prose first without committing to a 800 pages long tome

[Anonymous No.15994069]

>>15985277
hi frens, recc me some medieval gems like Parzival

[Anonymous No.15994087]

>>15994046
Where did I post non-German recommendations? I literally seconded another anon’s recommendation of Heine, and will highly recommend proper German lit like Kleist or Büchner, instead of some weak stuff by the realists of the late 19th cty

[Anonymous No.15994098]

>>15994069
Straßburg’s Tristan, Nibelungenlied, Erec

[Anonymous No.15994146]

>>15994087
Stop bothering, he's obviously not worth it

[Anonymous No.15994148]

>>15994087
A mouse born in a horestable won't become a nice Lasgne, Kevin-Björn.
All you people post are Realschule tier literature pushed down normie kids throats, only promoted because they are negatively depicting nationalitic, religious and other healthy structures. Kleist has wet dreams about miscegenation, Heine is a oven dodgner, Hesse a boomer love.eat.pray meme and so on. Meanwhile peopl which start to learn the german language will specifically look for works which depict a healthy germanic Götterfunken, not some rotten globhom ideology.

You are so delusional and pawlovian that you are calling a fucking Polak a fascist because he points out the obvious.

[Anonymous No.15994159]

>>15994098
thanks!

[Anonymous No.15994190]

>>15994159
Meier Helmbrecht - Wernher der Gartenaere
Song of Roland (when you consider the frogs still german at that point).

[Anonymous No.15994243]

>>15994148
>Polak and >Fascism: there is no inherent contradiction, faggot
Kleist is god tier, what you say about him deceives that you haven’t read him. Literally all lit that positively promotes some dubious Germanic „Götterfunken“ is instantly very very low tier, not because of its intentions in itself, but because its intentions hinder its artistic energy. Not even Schiller did promote some nationalist fuckery, read An die Freude closely and you will find out.
I myself didn’t have Kleist or Heine in school, the only thing that they forced down our throats was literally Goethes Faust

[Anonymous No.15994259]

>>15994190
danke

[Anonymous No.15994329]

>>15994243
>can't even use green text
Fuck off, summerfag. Just because those public school literature is the only thing you have been exposed to, doesn't make it "god tier". Degrading the actual root of what is german is only showing of your unhealthy Geist. How mentally ill one has to be, to actively dislike what is natural and healthy for some buttfuck-promoter. But than again, germans aren't sending their best anymore, so a taiwanese pizza spelunking forum polak needs to do the work.

[Anonymous No.15994340]

Deutsche Literatur?
Ist vielleicht die Literatur Germanistans gemeint?
>>15994045
>catholic
Ins Lager mit dir.

[Anonymous No.15994348]

>>15994259
Also Hildesbrandlied.

[Anonymous No.15994390]

>>15985277
i cannot recommend andre kaminskis the gardens of mulay abdallah enough, personally. If youre a fan of obscure fiction littered with literary references, you might enjoy walter moers' work too, esp. die stadt der träumenden bücher (might be nostalgia...)

[Anonymous No.15994411]

>>15991385
halts maul du huansohn das is ja kein deutsch dass du hier verwendest

[Anonymous No.15994416]

>>15994411
käk

[Anonymous No.15994430]

>>15993324
Nein, Wolgadeutscher.

>>15993962
Stefan Zweig is a good jewish author and can actually write cohesively.

[Anonymous No.15994451]

Meine Herren, weshalb muss ich hier angelsächsich lesen statt Amtssprache? Ich bitte um Stellungnahme und Korrektur.

[Anonymous No.15994455]

>>15994430
>write cohesively
People like you will be the future audience for rapefugees. Once they learn to write, anyway.

[Anonymous No.15994463]

>>15994451
Wir haben den Krieg verloren.
Deutschland ist untergegangen und aus der Asche ist Germanistan gestiegen.

[Anonymous No.15994464]

>>15994430
I personally also like Ariel Toaff and Ilan Pappe, but I guess, those aren't the kind of Jews he would want people to read.

[Anonymous No.15994488]

>>15994329
pretty sure i've been exposed to more german lit than you, pseud. having read various authors has lead me to conclude that Kleist is some of the best, not some obscure propagandist without artistic merit. you're not the first braindead polak i've encountered though, there is a pattern. you can't even own that your worldview has a fascist core, at least be proud of that and don't deny it

[Anonymous No.15994494]

>>15994463

[Anonymous No.15994501]

>>15994463
Das Germanistan Meme war nie lustig, verpiss dich wieder zu /pol/, Dumpfbacke

[Anonymous No.15994506]

>>15994494
>>15994488
In Staub mit allen Feinden Brandenburgs!

[Anonymous No.15994509]

>>15994411
dein Deutsch ist genauso scheiße, mein Lieber. Alles Hauptschüler die hier unterwegs sind, scheinbar

[Anonymous No.15994521]

>>15994509
Scheinbar oder anscheinend?

>>15994501
Soll der Untergang unserer Zivilisation lustig sein?

[Anonymous No.15994532]

>>15994488
I'm currently stifting through Kleists complete works and desu so far I only really liked Marquise of O and Amphitryon. So far I've read all the plays up to Penthesilia and also Die Hermannschlacht and idk, but it just all seems boring and directionless to me. I really related to Goethes criticism of Kleist. Its most apparent with "The Broken Jug" also if you ask me.

[Anonymous No.15994559]

>>15994488
Neger, I've read a couple tousand books, owning over one tousand myself. Calling Kleist better than even a basic like Gottfried Keller is filter-tier. Or you know, you could be putting you ideology over acual merit, disqualifiying what your pleb school teacher has told you is rechtsextrem and völkisch. I don't mind reading fags per se, like Wilde, btw.

Oh and, despite what your public garbage school has teached you, you might like to read up on the fucking meaning of fascism, you Kartoffelneger.

[Anonymous No.15994641]

good german language blogs?

[Anonymous No.15994653]

>>15994641
https://www.bamf.de/AR/Startseite/startseite_node.html

[Anonymous No.15994771]

Ein absoluter Schandfleck bist du und sonst nichts, selbst der dümmste Fisch würde sich eines solchen Köders verweigern...

[Anonymous No.15994794]

>>15994641
Dikigoros Reisen.

[Anonymous No.15994808]

>>15994771
>eines solchen Köders

O H O

G E N I T I V

[Anonymous No.15994873]

>>15994808
Manche Bernds kämpfen nun mal gegen die Verballhornung der Deutschen Sprache, weil sie nicht so sehr durch Anglizismen als durch die Verstümmelung der Grammatik gefährdet ist. Siehe dafür auch die Englische Sprache, welche ja mittlerweile ihre Deklinationen verloren hat und zur isolierenden Sprache degradierte, wodurch sie objektiv schlechter als Deutsch, Russisch, Griechisch usw. ist und eben auch so einfach zu erlernen.

[Anonymous No.15994895]

>>15994873
Kulturell hat der sprachliche Wandel auch die Tür für den gesellschaftlichen Wandel geöffnet.
Wie lange wir wohl noch ein generisches Maskulinum haben werden?

Ich erinnere mich auch noch an Zeiten in denen Dinge Sinn ergeben haben.

[Anonymous No.15994950]

>>15994559
> implying that Keller is better than Kleist

you absolute dweeb. Your numbers ain't impressive faggot, I easily outdo that. And as i already mentioned, I barely was put through a german lit canon in school, as I went to a naturwissenschaftlich-sprachliches Gymnasium. all german lit I know I discovered mostly by myself.
>healthy germanic Götterfunken
>natural and healthy
>unhealthy Geist
And you're telling me that I put ideology over artistic merit? Lmao fuck off, you filthy chimp. You can't even say what ideology.
Even implying that someone like Löns or Raabe is on the same level as Lenz, Jean Paul, Arnim, Kleist, Büchner or Heine is the epitome of ignorant Philisterei. Even implying that Jünger (who is good, though) stands alone as a 'giant' in modern German lit when there are Döblin, Mann and Kafka is delusional. I really don't give a fuck about what the PC culture deems as völkisch and rechtsextrem, even Kleist gets that rep as he wrote Hermannsschlacht and Katechismus der Deutschen, and yet you see me here saying that he is one of the best. The same I would say for Benn btw. So fuck off, and I actually have read books on fascism, and you seem not, dämliche Hohlbirne

[Anonymous No.15994973]

>>15994895
>Ich erinnere mich auch noch an Zeiten in denen Dinge Sinn ergeben haben
>Impliziert, dass die Dinge jemals Sinn ergeben haben
Deine Reflexionskraft scheint ihre definitive Decke gefunden zu haben.

[Anonymous No.15994976]

>>15994950
kek
Speaking of German literature without even knowing Arabic.

[Anonymous No.15994987]

>>15994973
Bevor Gott tot war haben Dinge durchaus noch Sinn ergeben, Nihilismus ist ein Problem welches erst existiert seit die Franzacken gegen ihren König revoltieren mussten.

[Anonymous No.15994999]

>>15994895
>Ich erinnere mich auch noch an Zeiten in denen Dinge Sinn ergeben haben.

Errinest du dich auch an der Zeit bevor es systematische Rechtschreibung gab?

[Anonymous No.15995000]

>>15994976
its not even the arabs but rather the turks who are the problem you stupid idiot

[Anonymous No.15995015]

>>15994999
>an der Zeit
kek

>>15994987
In der alten Zeit angeblich göttlicher Ordnung, also vor Luther und dem allgemeinen Schulwesen, gab es gar keine Rechtschreibung.

Da hat man einfach jeden Dialekt phonetisch zu Papier gebracht wie man lustig war.

[Anonymous No.15995020]

>>15994532
If you can't see the greatness in plays like Penthesilea and Prinz von Homburg, or in tales like Michael Kohlhaas and Die Heilige Cäcile, I must sadly tell you that you've been filtered. Just like Goethe, who, in all his greatness, was just unable to correctly diagnose the merit in new developments of German lit after his classicist project.

[Anonymous No.15995030]

>>15995020
>Prinz von Homburg
Quoted that in this thread.

Read than in a Deutsch LK before the rapefugee invasion.

>>15995000
Arabs, Kurds, Turks... Maybe you, as well?

[Anonymous No.15995068]

>>15994987
Wie bereits ein Anon vor mir sagte, das "Problem" begann eigentlich mit Luther und der Reformation, da dadurch die göttlich gegebene Ordnung erstmals hinterfragt wurde. Zweitens, war es auch die Dekadenz des Hofes, welche zur Revolte des Volkes führte. Man kann im Gang der Geschichte nicht mehr zurückspringen, deswegen sind jegliche reaktionäre Ideologien ein Traumgespinst und thanatogene Phantommaschinen.

[Anonymous No.15995076]

>>15987274
Goethe did not want to be a romanticist and neither did Schiller, hence the move to establish Weimarer Klassik.

Not the person who posted >>15985944
But Hoffmann just plays a different game than Goethe.

[Anonymous No.15995077]

>>15995068
>erstmals
tfw no Jan Hus

[Anonymous No.15995084]

>>15989529
Magic Mountain by Thomas Mann

[Anonymous No.15995085]

>>15995030
Aus welchem Bundesland bist du?

[Anonymous No.15995094]

>>15995085
Germanistan's most populous province: NRW

[Anonymous No.15995095]

>>15995084
kek

[Anonymous No.15995110]

>>15995077
that's why I said Reformation, Jan Hus was an early Reformator

[Anonymous No.15995135]

>>15995095
stimmt was nicht alter?

[Anonymous No.15995140]

>>15994509
Ich weiß nicht was grammatikalisch falsch an >>15991385 ist. Kann jemand mir bitte dabei helfen mein Deutsch zu verbessern?

[Anonymous No.15995199]

>>15995076
they established Weimarer Klassik way before Romanticism was on the horizon. Romanticism basically started with Schlegel's theoretical writings (starting 1794). Goethe wrote and then published the tenets of Weimarer Klassik way before: Egmont (1775/1788), Iphigiene (1779/187) and Tasso (1780/1790). The early Romanticists surged in reaction to Goethe and Schiller. See Schlegel's famous essay on Goethes Wilhelm Meister.

[Anonymous No.15995219]

>>15995140
"von das Märchen" ---> von dem Märchen
"zu einem eher langweiligem.." --> zu einem eher langweiligen

Ich würde auch sagen, dass "so was von" unnötig ist

[Anonymous No.15995237]

>>15995140
>auch wenn der Autor manchmal zu einem eher langweiligem Schriebstil neigt
Wenn der Dativ schon in "einem" steht, muss er nicht wieder im Adjektiv zu "Schreibstil" vorkommen. deswegen heißt es dann: "...zu einem eher langweiligen Schreibstil neigt". (Achja, "Schreibstil" hatte auch ein Tippfehler, aber das meinte ich garnicht)

[Anonymous No.15995253]

>>15995135
Wer denkt, Zauberberg wäre "simple language German", der wird beim Lesen sein blaues Wunder erleben. Mann ist dafür bekannt, mit einem extrem hypotaktischen Satzbau zu arbeiten.

[Anonymous No.15995264]

>>15995094
Lass mich raten: Björn Höcke ist für dich der zukünftige Führer, der Deutschland aus der Finsternis leiten wird?

[Anonymous No.15995310]

>>15995253
klar aber Anfänger können es lesen und trotzdem etwas verstehen

es ist kein Opitz

[Anonymous No.15995460]

>>15995310
Opitz oder Grimmelshausen sind auch kein Vergleich, hier haben wir es mit Frühneuhochdeutsch zu tun, wo es noch keine einheitliche Rechtschreibung gab oder grammatische Konstruktionen, die heute obsolet oder völlig unüblich sind. T. Mann ahmt dieses alte Deutsch jedoch in seinem anderen Roman Doktor Faustus meisterlich nach.

[Anonymous No.15996619]

>>15994873
ITT: Rückbank-Linguisten der präskriptiven Art

[Anonymous No.15996739]

>nazistischster thread auf /lit/
der Morgenthau-Plan hätte durchgeführt werden sollen