The most underrated political and cultural theorist of our generation

[Anonymous No.15962248]

[Anonymous No.15962268]

>>15962248
Is he being ironic with that pose and outfit? Why are these people so cringe?

[Anonymous No.15962269]

>Um um and um uh and um um um and
How does he do it?

[Anonymous No.15962275]

>>15962248
This is obviously bait, but how the fuck does anyone take this tard seriously? His writing style is fucking terrible and his ideas are meme tier.

[Check your feed No.15962281]

>>15962275
Wrong.

He sounded so good.
https://youtu.be/RRQO3VbJsMw

[Anonymous No.15962298]

>>15962275
people are becoming dumber and easily satisfied

[Anonymous No.15962305]

[Anonymous No.15962324]

>>15962281
>Peepeepoopoo mirrorforprinces peepeeeeeeee ummmummmmmm aaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[Anonymous No.15962428]

>>15962275
What do you think of the "Cathedral" concept?

[Anonymous No.15962434]

>>15962428
The concept that institutions shape public opinion?

Uh gee I guess I think it's common sense?

[Anonymous No.15962450]

>>15962428
Way more easily described by common words like 'ideology' or 'system', plus baby tier compared to base and superstructure.

[Anonymous No.15962464]

>>15962281
>and uhm and uhm so and uhm and uhm and uhm uhm uhm uhm uhm uhm uhm uhm uhm
He's like David Foster on too many antidepressants in that german interview, except not charming or interesting at all.

[Anonymous No.15962484]

>>15962298
We're reaching the point where some people were actually raised by twitter, and thoroughly conditioned to think in tweets.
I don't even think copious amounts of amphetamine will fix the ADD-tards, it will just make them spew twitter thoughts at a more rapid speed.

[Anonymous No.15962509]

>>15962248
Wow, a *Jewish* guy who is popular despite having no talent whatsoever? That's new.

[Anonymous No.15962541]

>>15962484
It's not strictly Twitter, everyone is now raised by reading short ass greentexts or social media posts being the only not 100% pure controlled political discussion so when they see a shitty meme book or blog, they think it's like genius level political analysis.

[Anonymous No.15962608]

>>15962464
What German interview?

[Anonymous No.15962623]

>>15962450
"Cathedral" gives it a mysterious vibe to it lol

[Anonymous No.15962626]

>>15962608
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGLzWdT7vGc

[Anonymous No.15962638]

>>15962434
lmao yes, it boggles the mind that he's made a career off such a trite observation

[Anonymous No.15962645]

>>15962626
Don't know why I thought you meant some German interview with Curtis Yarvin in it.

[Anonymous No.15962647]

>>15962645
hint: Twitter ADD

[Anonymous No.15962658]

>>15962647
How to cure myself, friend?

[Anonymous No.15962697]

>>15962658
Spend more time reading books than being on the internet.
If you're permanently online 8+ hours a day, read 8+ hours a day. Alternatively, cut screen time to 2+ hours, and you just have to read for 2+.
Make a ridiculously long and annoying wifi-code and make your devices forget it so you have to manually type it in every time.

[Anonymous No.15963199]

>>15962697
That's a dumb advice,

[Anonymous No.15963223]

>>15963199
How so?

[Anonymous No.15963262]

Who am I supposed to be looking at?

[Anonymous No.15963266]

>>15962509
this is making me think

[Anonymous No.15963269]

>>15962248
he took that picture? i hate him now

[Anonymous No.15963286]

>>15963269
problem?

[Anonymous No.15963287]

>>15963223
because it relies on laziness and cognitive dissonance as its foundation. if you determine something is wrong or unhealthy you should have no problem whatsoever with discontinuing that behavior otherwise you must be lying to yourself

[Anonymous No.15963291]

>>15963269
Why? I don't even like him but the picture is thoroughly based.

[Anonymous No.15963294]

>>15963269

[Anonymous No.15963297]

>>15963286
its a decent looking jacket stylistically and its good leather but it looks gay on him because he is gay. would steal if i knew i could get away with it

[Anonymous No.15963300]

>>15963269
and?

[Anonymous No.15963311]

>>15963286
>>15963297
and the jeans dont go with the jacket, the shoes might but that depends on the pants

[Anonymous No.15963312]

>>15963297
Don't steal my jacket anon

[Anonymous No.15963319]

>>15963311
You just mad you will never reach his IQ levels.

[Anonymous No.15963330]

>>15963286
>>15963294
>>15963300
>>15963312
>>15963319
for the love of pete m8 take it ease

[Anonymous No.15963343]

>>15963330
you are the Institution's Tool that he keeps on warning people about.

[Anonymous No.15963357]

>>15963343
I cant tell if youre are serious

[Anonymous No.15963368]

>>15963357
Read Unqualified Reservations by Mencius Moldbug. Hopefully that will open your eyes.

[Anonymous No.15963370]

[Anonymous No.15963377]

>>15963368
jesus i cant think of anything hes ever said that I disagree with im just banting because i think he looks gay and self absorbed in the pictures (and in the way he speaks) lighten up

[Anonymous No.15963386]

>>15963370

[Anonymous No.15963411]

Dr Pavel, im CIA

[Anonymous No.15963423]

>>15962248
That would be 'anon'. An digital entity, debating itself, omnipresent on several animeforums and its offsprings, gathering vast amounts of knowledge.
In real life he is living in the most famous place in Germany, where every exit on the Autobahn is going to: Ausfahrt.

[Anonymous No.15963427]

>>15962248
He should team up with Tao Lin before he Leaves Society

[Anonymous No.15963435]

>>15963423
above average post

[Anonymous No.15963436]

Isn't the Dark Enlightment just a kind of feudalistic technocracy?
Or are the works of Curtis Yavin just one branch of a movement opposing the enlightment?

[Anonymous No.15963455]

>>15963427
who dat

[Anonymous No.15963498]

>>15963436
I would say, yes. BUt obviously Yarvin stans will disagree.

[Anonymous No.15963521]

>>15963498
I just don't see how why they call themselves a reactionary movement. It is based upon feudal systems, yes. But thats already it.
Everything else in this ideology is ultracapitalism and wet cybernetic fantasies.

Dark Enlightment makes more sense as a borader term for various ieologies opposing the age of enlightment

[Anonymous No.15963573]

>>15963287
Just b urself

[Anonymous No.15963577]

>>15963573
You must be an incel.

[Anonymous No.15963656]

>>15963577
Why?

[Anonymous No.15963697]

>>15962248
I read his Gentle Introduction to Unqualified Reservations and was unimpressed, but I think the publicly released chapters of his new book are pretty good.
https://graymirror.substack.com/archive?sort=top

[Anonymous No.15963715]

>>15963521
>>15963498
>>15963436
You're sort of conflating multiple streams of thought that only loosely interconnect here. There's three big ones, but I'm sure we can get more autistic and find more (I remember seeing an old graph that had 7 or so).

The first is Landian Acceleration, which yes is literally just LMFAO WHAT IF I REPLACED MY DICK WITH A CPU SO I CAN MINE BITCOIN WHILE I JERK OFF XD. Land's critiques of Capitalism are used in the Dark Right, but basically everything else he and his ilk do has nothing to do with the other three halves of Dark Enlightenment. The fact that he's basically just a Marxist, but cheerleading for the badguys, and that you can't be an Accelerationist without the power to Accelerate, are both frequently levied by the other two thirds at this one.

The second is Moldbuggian Monarchism, which basically wants to shatter the world into hundreds of little fiefdoms of various sizes. Moldbug and Friends want to pick up where political theory left off, just prior to the Enlightenment. In particular, a big problem they're trying to solve is Power and Legitimacy in an age without an existing Church to back you up. Thus, while Moldbug is "technocratic" in the sense of "intelligent learned men should rule", those intelligent learned men don't necessarily even need to be able to count or read, because ruling is not a technique, it's a vocation. The fact that the Enlightenment still has political power and that most of Moldbug's solutions are basically unworkable (HOW are you going to shatter the world's polities into monarchies?) is a frequent criticism, even though his analyses of the world and its state are universally held as spot on.

The third and final is the HBD wing, which is a loose collection of people who basically take "genes and culture are real" to its logical conclusion and try to understand their intersection. These guys are sort of picking up where phrenology left off, when it was just about turning into an actual science and not just "lmfao you've got a bump in your head ergo you're a rapist". Y'know those Nazi scientists who went around measuring peoples noses? That's these guys. I'm making them sound dumb, but look into HBD Chick and @crimkadid on Twitter. These guys are basically "correlation =/= causation but that doesn't mean that correlation doesn't have interesting information".

[Anonymous No.15963856]

>>15963715
does #3 get monetary compensation for their research?

[Anonymous No.15963879]

>>15962428
>>15962434
>>15962450
That's not his point. His point is that the United States has been from its inception a country in which Church and State are fused. Whereas the Church part of this duo was originally composed of the ministers and magistrates of Puritan Massachusetts, it has since expanded and shifted such that the university has replaced the seminary and the mainstream media the church.
Other than that, he has interesting things to say about the nature of power in our society, how activism supports the existing power structure, and how inaction is the only viable course of action at present.

[Anonymous No.15963880]

>>15963856
I'm sure the Third Reich's Nasal Measurement Division received monetary compensation for their efforts, but no, the HBD nerds do it for free.

[Anonymous No.15963912]

>>15963879
A Jew is telling us that inaction is the only viable course rather than infiltrating "the Cathedral"? Wowie! I bet you and the other dumb White guys sure feel smart!

[Anonymous No.15963922]

>>15962428
I don't think it it at all.

[Anonymous No.15963924]

>>15963715
>LMFAO WHAT IF I REPLACED MY DICK WITH A CPU SO I CAN MINE BITCOIN WHILE I JERK OFF XD
lmao

[Anonymous No.15963932]

>>15963715
>Landian

[Anonymous No.15963944]

>>15962268
have you ever even been sincere, anon, like heckin accidentally?

[Anonymous No.15963959]

>>15963912
No, he's telling you to make your own political structures and organizations. Infiltrating the Cathedral does nothing, because it either finds out that you're a racist and removes you (see: that writer of Tucker's that got ousted), OR, it just totally co-opts you into the Big Gay Disco (see: Nick Fuentes). Liberalism from the get go was designed to be a certain way to achieve certain goals, and that prevents it from ever being anything but disastrous. You cannot have a Based and Redpilled Liberalism where you're allowed to say the Gamer Word. Ever. It's specifically designed to put a stop to that. It's also specifically designed to stop infiltration.

So, don't be a Liberal. That means making things that are Illiberal. That's why it's Passivism, and not Inactivism.

[Anonymous No.15963971]

>>15963715
>Moldbuggian Monarchism
this gon be gud

[Anonymous No.15963995]

>>15963959
>Nick Fuentes is co-opted
>Follows a gay libertarian Jew
You have been filtered.

[Anonymous No.15964014]

>>15963995
Well, yeah, given that he's a border hopper who is openly advocating for increased subsidies to Israel and Pedophilia and demanding his followers vote Republican, I would say he is indeed "co-opted". What else do you call someone who started out talking about how gays need to die, and is now endorsing Lady MAGA?

This is your entire problem. You don't actually care about anything, you're just mad about not being able to say "nigger" in Overwatch, so you just inhabit the caricature of what the system says is a villain. Why would you ever expect that a system designed from the ground up to fuck you over would do anything but fuck you over?

[Anonymous No.15964017]

>>15963959
>oh shit we're thirty years behind the left
>better make it it three hundred
the absolute state of hyperconservatives.

[Anonymous No.15964109]

>>15963959
This guy gets it. Moldbug calls the hypothetical new structure the "Antiversity." I wish he spent more time developing these ideas instead of posting autistic crap about how the Loyalists were right.
>>15964014
>so you just inhabit the caricature of what the system says is a villain
This is another thing he said that I found interesting. It's like those kids who hear that Stalin was a bad guy, so they decide that they like the USSR. However much effort they put into it, they're still locked into the unreality of the system.

[Anonymous No.15964129]

>>15964109
>when moldbug cries I cry

[Anonymous No.15964168]

>>15964014
>advocating for increased subsidies to Israel
>advocating for pedophilia
>endorsing lady MAGA
You're just lying. What is the point in this?

[Anonymous No.15964254]

>>15963715
What's HBD?

[Anonymous No.15965239]

>>15964254
Human Blowup Doll

[Anonymous No.15965252]

>>15962450
Oof. You don't know what the Cathedral is little babby

[Anonymous No.15965264]

>>15963286
What a Jewish dork. Jacket too flashy. Pants too tight, he looks like. 15yo scene kid. I will give him two things, he has a big old brain and his hair is impeccable

[Anonymous No.15965280]

>>15963944
>take a photo of yourself that was clearly intended to depict power and confidence
>looks utterly ridiculous
>”a-at least I was s-sincere!”

Lol anon, pls. Nobody cares if you’re being sincere if it makes you look like a jackass.

[Anonymous No.15965286]

>>15964254
human biodiversity. race stuff. Steve Sailer.

[Anonymous No.15965289]

>>15962248
No, that would be the Pope.

[Anonymous No.15965294]

>>15962484
Yeah man, all these kids with ADD are reading 30,000 word blog posts about Carlyle.

[Anonymous No.15965336]

>>15965286
I see. "Biodiversity"

[Anonymous No.15965350]

>>15965336
Cute, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.15965357]

>>15964254
Some brains can build computers and shape the global economy and some groups are more likely to produce this type people. On its own it's not very interesting but it becomes important once all political machinery becomes mired in ethnic conflict in the form of BLM rhetoric, white privilege rhetoric, reparations rhetoric

[Anonymous No.15965925]

>>15965350
No

[Anonymous No.15966067]

>>15962305
He wants Nick Land's dick so bad.

[Anonymous No.15966094]

>>15963287
Nah, doesn't work like that

[Anonymous No.15966707]

>>15966094
Go on

[Anonymous No.15966782]

>>15966067
Imagine not

[Anonymous No.15967228]

Test

[Anonymous No.15967509]

>>15962464
>>15963912
>>15965264
>>15965280
The moment you bring up Yarvin, suddenly all the Internet Tough Guys start crawling out of the woodwork. Maybe because he specifically targets how Internet Tough Guyness is totally ineffectual against the overbearing hand of the progressive elite - and so they double-down on it.

[Anonymous No.15967598]

>>15967509
this.

he sounded SOOOOO good.

[Anonymous No.15967624]

>>15967509
A big part of it is that he made fun of Faggy Fuentes on Hermitix. That apparently really pissed the catboi community off.

[Anonymous No.15967754]

>>15967624
That explains a lot. Whenever conservatives become aware of Moldbug, it's like they can't help but project their own weakness back onto him, rather than take heed.

[Anonymous No.15967767]

>>15962509
Cope

[Anonymous No.15967919]

wrong

[Anonymous No.15968928]

bump

[Anonymous No.15969152]

>>15963715
For me it's Moldbuggian Monarchism.

[Anonymous No.15969166]

>>15967509
>>15967624
>>15967754
nice cope faggots.

[Anonymous No.15969187]

>>15963286
If he were a video game dev he'd make for great memes.

[Anonymous No.15969206]

>>15963715
So molebug is just repackaged hoppe?

[Anonymous No.15969258]

>>15963879
>His point is that the United States has been from its inception a country in which Church and State are fused
Lmao so he's just engaging in ahistoric non-sense then. Anyone who's not a retard knows about the liberal activist complex, so that's not insightful either. Also Lasch has a far better analysis of Purtianism and the education system.

[Anonymous No.15969271]

>>15965252
>Oof. You don't know what the Cathedral is little babby

[Anonymous No.15969297]

>>15969258
He's not talking about activism. Perhaps Lasch's analysis of the relationship between Puritanism and the education system is more historically grounded, but does he provide us with a guide to action?

[Anonymous No.15969301]

>>15969206
Moldbug is way more insightful than Hoppe.

[Anonymous No.15969313]

>>15965252

[Anonymous No.15969320]

Is there an ancap soijak?

[Anonymous No.15969326]

>>15962434
You'd be surprised at how many liberals think otherwise
T. Has a Neoliberal friend who's not convinced

[Anonymous No.15969367]

>>15969297
ya its called stop being a faggot

[Anonymous No.15969400]

>>15969297
Moldbug has no guide to action, precisely because he advocates for inaction, and also provides an incorrect view of power dynamics, which retroactively rule out any possible mobilization and raise elites to the levels of gods who can unilaterally do whatever they want. Lasch was simply a historian. No one has written a realistic guide to opposing Liberalism in the US, simply because it would likely land the author in jail.

[Anonymous No.15969448]

>>15969400
>Moldbug has no guide to action, precisely because he advocates for inaction
That's the most important action one can take at this point in time.
>and also provides an incorrect view of power dynamics, which retroactively rule out any possible mobilization and raise elites to the levels of gods who can unilaterally do whatever they want
He never said that they can unilaterally do whatever they want. I have no idea where you live or what you do for a living, but I suggest that you take a careful look at the people around you. Ask yourself whether or not any of them would respond to a call to action by precisely the right-wing boogeymen who they've seen demonized all their lives in the media. Ask yourself whether or not they'd lift a finger to help you if you yourself were to become one of those boogeymen. Ask yourself whether or not you'd be able to keep your job, get published, or do literally anything in the public sphere if you were to publicly announce that you are one of those right-wing boogeymen.
The answer to all these questions is no, and that tells you who holds power in our society, and who does not. I suggest that you take his advice to heart, or you will suffer for it and play right into the hands of your enemies.

[Anonymous No.15969604]

>>15969448
>That's the most important action one can take at this point in time.
Wrong, people should be organizing offline and locally non-stop.

I have no illusions about Liberal totalitarianism or the consequences for open illiberal organization, but this is not what I'm talking about. The NRx crowd is constantly talking about how 'only elites matter' and similar ideas, and shit over the idea of any degree of popular mass mobilization. This is losing the battle before it begins, since it automatically means that dissident idea can't be organized for at all and rules out the idea of clandestine popular organization.

[Anonymous No.15969692]

>>15969448
I think most universities exist to just keep people busy because there's not enough meaningful work for people to do so why not saddle them up with some debt to make them desperate and don't teach them any kind of self-sufficiency because they've spent 4+ years at adult daycare.

This is what leads to that rise of liberalism, a psychic ego defense of the wasted time at university and a domination of 'academic' spaces. These spaces are totally irrelevant to real power, which leans heavily towards 'conseervatism'. Think major companies, think tanks, big finance, all very conservative where it matters.

[Anonymous No.15969704]

>>15969692
Dude, you're completely out of touch. Go read Return of the Strong Gods and come back.

[Anonymous No.15969717]

>>15969258
>Lmao so he's just engaging in ahistoric non-sense then
How is he wrong?

[Anonymous No.15969825]

>>15969604
>The NRx crowd is constantly talking about how 'only elites matter' and similar ideas
Because that's correct.

>and shit over the idea of any degree of popular mass mobilization.
Because it never works. Doubling down harder on it won't make it work any better.

[Anonymous No.15969837]

>>15969704
Do these people argue that universities indoctrinate people into a dogma that believes dogmas don't exist and the only way to beat them is to return to a dogma that asserts it's own correctness?

The basic premise of this stuff is that after WW2 with atomic weapons and Auschwitz there was a retreat from 'dogmatic' thinking because it was fascism/communism that led us to this point. Where we are now is unarguably bad to them, why that is maybe you can explain. But what they argue is that actually what will solve these problems is the very dogmas that led us to the crisis point.

Is this some Nietszchean eternal recurrence shit? Are we just stuck in this loop?

[Anonymous No.15969847]

>>15967919
>those detached backwards arabic letters
Ugh. Cringe.
This is how that's supposed to look:
البجعة السوداء

[Anonymous No.15969877]

>>15969717
Because there was never 'the Church' in the American context. America, even amongst elites, always had a huge variety of churches. America, at its foundation, was a place of religious pluralism. American government was founded on a secular, rationalist basis, specifically in the form of liberal democracy. Liberalism, as ideologies often do, does play the role of religion in the personal psychology of many liberals, but the university does not. Universities are places for new elites to be created and later places for job market training. The media, education system, and religious institutions are tools of control, conflating the first two with specifically the latter is dumb.

[Anonymous No.15969896]

>>15969825
>Because that's correct.
Objectively incorrect. There are tons of times throughout history were mass mobilization completely changed the course of history. The leftist fetish for horizontal or grassroots organization is obviously incorrect, but ruling it out as a historical force is pants on head retarded.

[Anonymous No.15969905]

>>15969825
>not realising how the elites are part of the decline
>probably thinks moldbug leather is postironicall bnr
retard.

[Anonymous No.15969908]

>>15969837
R. R. Reno doesn't discuss political strategy in that book. What he discusses is the rise of the "postwar consensus," the descendant of which you see in action all around you. In the postwar United States, there is only liberalism. There is nothing but liberalism. There are no options but liberalism. Either you support liberalism in the economy, or you support it in society, or, if you're a particularly vicious kind of stupid, you support it everywhere.
>dogmatic
Triple R does not use the word "dogmatic." He speaks of belief, of conviction, of loyalty, and all the strong emotions and bonds that motivate men to struggle for the sake of something greater than themselves. The refusal of the average person to take anything seriously is another manifestation of the rejection of the "strong gods."
>But what they argue is that actually what will solve these problems is the very dogmas that led us to the crisis point.
No it's not. People believing in the sanctity of marriage and despising promiscuity is not what led us to the Holocaust, yet the postwar consensus opposes that conviction with as much vehemence as it opposes Nazism.
>Is this some Nietszchean eternal recurrence shit? Are we just stuck in this loop?
No, because there is no loop. The other side happened to win in 1945, but greater and greater numbers of people are feeling the call of the "strong gods." They are returning. We must accept and learn to live with them.
Seriously, read the whole book. Then read Deneen's Why Liberalism Failed, and then read Alasdair MacIntyre's After Virtue. The last book is the best, so you might actually want to start with it.

[Anonymous No.15969916]

>>15969877
>Because there was never 'the Church' in the American context.

Harvard was founded 384 years ago as a Puritan seminary. There is no discontinuity between then and now in its place and prominence in American society.

[Anonymous No.15969923]

>>15969877
You don't understand his argument.
>>15969896
Mass mobilization only works when some faction with power supports you. If the entirety of the political apparatus is against you, you will lose, and badly.

[Anonymous No.15969943]

>>15969923
>some faction with power supports you
This is correct, but it by no means has to be a domestic power.

[Anonymous No.15969953]

>>15969916
Harvard isn't the only pole of power and influence, and it isn't even the most powerful and influential one.

[Anonymous No.15970050]

>>15969943
Good luck convincing Americans to commit treason.

[Anonymous No.15970087]

>>15970050

High level bureaucrats and Democrat party members have been doing it in volume and with gusto lately.

[Anonymous No.15970092]

>>15970050
Given the continuous unrest, low approval ratings, and falling standards of living, it's not an impossible task. It will only get easier as time goes on and things get worse.

[Anonymous No.15970568]

>>15969847
What does that say?

[Anonymous No.15970591]

>>15970568
Black Swan

[Anonymous No.15970817]

>>15969847
Are you sure? That's how it comes out in google translate.

[Anonymous No.15970983]

>>15969923
What is his argument?

[Anonymous No.15971492]

Bump

[Anonymous No.15972096]

>>15970817
That's impossible. Screenshot?

[Anonymous No.15972326]

>>15969877
Just because you say you don't have a religion doesn't mean you don't have a religion. For fuck's sake dude, Liberals will literally tell you that they believe in a creator if you ask them.

>Universities are places for new elites to be created and later places for job market training. The media, education system, and religious institutions are tools of control, conflating the first two with specifically the latter is dumb.
Who, exactly, do you think owns the media? Who, exactly, do you think runs the universities? Do you seriously think that these two groups of people not only never intersect, but also never communicate?

[Anonymous No.15972345]

>>15970087
BLM is one of many Great Awakenings and is entirely in line with the state religion, and is a reification of its myths. It's a state endorsed religious parade. It's not treason at all. The US was never for you, anon. The landed planter class that wrote the Constitution literally said who it was for: "ourselves and our posterity".

We're just the hired help.

[Anonymous No.15972489]

>>15962248
Dude swift boat redpills

[Anonymous No.15972721]

>>15972326
>Who, exactly, do you think owns the media? Who, exactly, do you think runs the universities?
The bourgeoisie, who more than a century ago displaced the landed Founder elites.

[Anonymous No.15972748]

>>15970983
His argument, as far as I can see, is that,
1. In Puritan Massachusetts, a form of government was established in which the clergy and graduates of elite seminaries like Harvard occupied positions of clerical, intellectual, and political prestige. They used these positions to direct the population towards their favored ideological positions and manufacture consensus around their own views and values.
2. With the creation of the United States, the rest of the country's Christian sects were "Puritanized," i.e. incorporated into a wider network of universities and institutions that continued to play the same role as its predecessor in Massachusetts.
3. In the 20th century, these strands of Protestant Christianity split into three: The liberals, the moderates, and the fundamentalists. The fundamentalists are still with us today, in the form of Evangelical Christianity. The former two underwent a process of secularization and became the liberal ideology that we see around us today.
Thus, we have an ideological complex that controls politics and government and bears a remarkable resemblance to the state church of Puritan Massachusetts. All power flows from this complex. All attempts to subvert it have proven futile. The only way to win is to refuse to play. This is the Cathedral.

[Anonymous No.15973043]

>>15972748
Him placing too much emphasis on the university system and the Puritans makes far more sense when you realize he's just advocating for his faction of the US elite (Silicon Valley) to displace other factions.

[Anonymous No.15973152]

>>15972748
>>15963879
Interesting theories, does he have any concrete evidence to back them up?

[Anonymous No.15973219]

>>15973043
I'm not so sure about that.
>>15973152
He has relatively little evidence to back it up. His background is in CS, so he has no idea what it means to put together a rigorous historical argument. I think what matters is not the bit about Christianity - that I find a stretch - but the part about the nexus of power centered on the university that runs the United States.
That being said, the most important stuff he has to say concerns the "political porn" that we are raised to engage in. I like his idea of completely cutting oneself off from politics and refusing to so much as attempt to convince others. I stopped consuming the news media and its derivatives before reading Moldbug, and I can attest to the immense relief that this brings.

[Anonymous No.15973689]

bump

[Anonymous No.15973737]

>>15962428
I don't.

[Anonymous No.15973789]

>>15972721
They did not displace them, they bred into them.

>>15973152
>>15973219
I'm fairly certain he has an incredibly long piece that, much like everything he writes, could be condensed down quite easily. I know others have actually done this however; Moldbug isn't the first to make this argument either. I remember seeing this (or rather, something like this) ages ago.

I do believe that this is touched on in Albion's Seed, however.

[Anonymous No.15973872]

>>15973789
Do you know of any good sources on the importance of refusing to participate? Moldbug was fine for getting the message, but I need something more sophisticated now.

[Anonymous No.15974033]

HYPERSPEED LIBERALISM!

I'M GOOOOOOOOOIINNING!

[Anonymous No.15974037]

>>15972721

Moldbug doesn’t make anymore sense than stupid liberals because they always tell fractions of the story, and it is always self-serving. What a coincidence that Moldbug thinks him and his group of wealthy friends should be the leaders of the world. Why should anybody care except for edgy internet weirdos? These people are all self-important assholes, they haven’t displayed any commendable qualities that any other rich cock-sucker hasn’t also displayed, and they already run everything. I’ll join the Home Depot faction, maybe Bernie Marcus will give me a discount on contractors when he is CEO of Texas. He’ll probably make me do a pilgrimage to Jerusalem too, but if I’m good and visit all of the big attractions I can go out and drink at night with normal bloodthirsty Israeli hippies.

[Anonymous No.15974069]

>>15974037
>What a coincidence that Moldbug thinks him and his group of wealthy friends should be the leaders of the world
When did he say that?

[Anonymous No.15974075]

>>15974037
>What a coincidence that Moldbug thinks him and his group of wealthy friends should be the leaders of the world
Moldbug has never said this. Ever. Even back in UR, he was always saying that he, and people like him, should NOT be given power, because technocrats always fuck things up. In every interview he's ever done, he always says that he should not be given power, doesn't want it, and frankly thinks his ideas will not be put into practice any time soon. That's the entire reason he's doing his whole autistic Mirrors for Princes thing: the world is currently fucked, it'll eventually reach terminal fuck, and the people around then need to know how what to do.

[Anonymous No.15974305]

>>15974033
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

[Anonymous No.15974471]

>>15974075
that's pretty cool. you get to be right about everything without having to do anything and instead enjoy all the comforts of your 'decaying world'. this guy seems pretty smart.

[Anonymous No.15975356]

>>15974037
Either you're willfully pulling shit out of your ass because you haven't read Moldbug but still want to mindlessly debate or your reading comprehension is absolute dogshit.

[Anonymous No.15975395]

>>15962623
yeah a jew spooking you with a christian word, of course

[Anonymous No.15975468]

>>15969152
Moldbug doesn't support hereditary monarchy

[Anonymous No.15975477]

>>15973872

[Anonymous No.15975759]

Yaaas Bezos be my queen xD
NOOO why won't the cathedral let me

[Anonymous No.15975804]

>>15962434
That's oversimplifying, why pretend that's all it is when the point is his analysis of that. Chomsky said the same thing but they both have very different takes.

[Anonymous No.15975810]

>>15962450
>>15962623
It's a reference to a book about program development in computing, they refer to monolithic centralised development as the "cathedral" model and open-source systems as the "bazaar"

[Anonymous No.15975948]

>>15965280
why are you so upset about a guy just wanting to look cool in a picture?