/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15955955]

Is this guy the greatest pseud in literature?
Everyone will think they are large intelligence after reading this since everyone is in pain from their own perspective.

[Anonymous No.15956012]

>>15955955
I remember finding a modern classical music piece on youtube called something like 'melancholy' with the background being Benjamin Cuntpunter's Sherlock in black and white. As usual the comments were a lot of 'woah nice song' and 'I like this, thank you [musician]' etc, y'know the usual. What struck me however is how often the sentiment in OP's pic was repeated and reformulated. A whole slew of comment chains full of people going
>ahh I know this feel. To be a genius with such a vast intellect and yet shunned by all my peers because they can't keep up with my genius vast intellect. Boohoo woe is me I can't connect with regular people because I'm just TOO DAMN SMART!
Or some variant thereof. And these comments usually each had well above 100 likes. I wish I was kidding. I seriously hope NONE of you do this.

Cuz it's like... bro, if you're soooooo smart then why don't you just like SMART yourself into having friends and not being such a miserable bitch?

Pseuds will ree and disagreeee

[Anonymous No.15956144]

>>15956012
Actually I am a genius because earth is small rock in space and we are molecule lol

[Anonymous No.15956161]

>>15955955
Where is this quote from? You know his two most famous books criticize the "Great man" idea as a central theme of the book.

[Anonymous No.15957075]

>>15955955
How can he be the biggest Pseud when that's clearly you, OP?

He did not say that anyone who's been through much pain and suffering is of large intelligence, he said that people who are of large intelligence inevitably suffer pain and suffering. The difference intelligence makes is it allows a person to start questioning and learning from their experiences.

[Anonymous No.15957102]

is dosto the new 'he sucks because he's accessible and entry-level readers find him meaningful'?

[Anonymous No.15957111]

>>15956012
b-but I legit can't make friends because I read Dostoevsky and Plato while the other normies just watch Avengers or some shit, like what would we even talk about?

[Anonymous No.15957134]

>>15957102
pretty much yeah. remember we have to be exclusive buddy

[Anonymous No.15957191]

>>15957111
Either don't talk about it in a way that makes them feel bad about it, or don't base your friendships on normie entertainment. (actually do both) Alternatively you could watch those movies and think of ways to compare them to your favourite books. You're smart enough to figure something out, aren't you? And anyhow, none of my friends read books and that doesn't hinder our friendship so I'm confident that difference in taste isn't exactly the problem. Talk to them about say the comics the avengers were based on, talk to them maybe about the ancient myths and how they're in a sense just ye olde capeshite.

[Anonymous No.15957218]

>>15957191
but you will have to admit it would be much easier if one could find fellow literature enthusiasts to befriend

[Anonymous No.15957236]

>>15957218
Indeed. Maybe you can find a book-club, or some other 'intellectual-type' circle in reasonable distance from you. Maybe you can speak so passionately and lovingly about what you read that you will entice others to read it. I wish you all the best anon and I want you to know that I believe in you :)

[Anonymous No.15957262]

>>15957236
thanks buddy. I would rather you were here, but I shall try my best.

[Anonymous No.15957283]

>>15957262
Hey man, I'll always be on lit. And once I get to reading my classics we'll even be able to talk about them. Patience anon. We're getting there.

[Anonymous No.15957310]

>>15956012
>>15956012
Maybe I’m not as autistic as I think I am but this is me. Social interactions can be learnt with enough rigor and you will learn how to be likable. As I’m writing, I’m laying down next to a normie woman I’ve been seeing for 9 months. A hylic, she reads Instagram for her news and her political philosophy doesn’t get more intricate than Trump bad because racist.

The above quote is somewhat relatable in that the further your mental capabilities and intellectual aspirations are from your peers, the more alone you are. I live a life of arrogant solitude despite being surrounded by people who adore me. Maybe a deviation or two higher than the norm, I fall in line with the classic add addled, high iq autist: increased verbal, decimated spatial. You see this with /lit/ today getting shitted up by bait threads like these, the entire world is bending over to the lowest common denominator, and they have absolutely no interest in the aesthetic beyond the immediate gratification.

Alone in my aspirations, left to a life of failure. I don’t want to grandstand this post, but that is the life of a writer—failure. I don’t believe “great men” come by their greatness with ease, and it’s not limited to the genius level IQ (although that makes it easier). Pinch me if I’m stoic but relentless failure and solitude are the makings of a great man, and there is nothing to do but soldier on, bear it all, and ignore that for every masterpiece recognized, one hundred will be cast aside until they are useful and stumbled across.

[Anonymous No.15957314]

>everyone is in pain
Dwelling in depression =/= Suffering in misery
Just because your job and life sucks, doesn't mean you're in constant pain. Dostoevsky also addresses the main problem due to which you are in constant self-pity and unironically the way to appreciate life is to experience the worst of it first. But I don't blame you, in the modern world, where the gut punch, which makes you a man, is suppressed by self-medication and escapism in childish hobbies, it's difficult for you ego to get absolutely annihilated, for you to come out a better person, instead of dwelling in a limbo of nihilism.

[Anonymous No.15957315]

>>15957283
ok fren

[Anonymous No.15957335]

>>15957310
That you are banging a normie gives me hope. thanks anon you are an inspiration

[Anonymous No.15957399]

>>15957310
Since this is already basically a blogpost thread, I may as well toss in my random thoughts

Been dating a girl for almost 3 years now who, initially, was just a hookup (this was in a hedonistic time of my life, and she was my first and only relationship of this kind). Since she seemed nice enough I decided to date her and with that we've been going since.

She will sometimes talk about how she wants to have a wedding in the future and have 3 kids. In reality I've never seen her as my one-and-only, but she has seen me that way. I feel like we're on totally different wavelengths, where she hasn't read a book outside of school in possibly over a decade and can't go a day without TikTok or social media cancer (which is more a societal problem than a personal one, I admit). And without wanting to sound like an arrogant ass, she's not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

I've helped her out with her dysfunctional at-home life and worry if I do leave her she will be a complete wreck.

[Anonymous No.15957430]

>>15956012
Aggressive, but based.

>>15957111
Be genuinely interested in the other person, not what they or you find interesting. You don't need a common hobby to enjoy an interaction.

[Anonymous No.15957453]

>>15957399
How do you tolerate her? How do you avoid the sin of pride? I will be honest, I wouldn't be able to do that.

[Anonymous No.15957465]

>>15957399
>and can't go a day without TikTok or social media cancer
Why are women so obsessed with social media to the point of having literally no other interests?

[Anonymous No.15957635]

>>15957111
My friends know I don't like those movies and they know I like reading and we're still able to have fun conversations. Not ever conversation has to be about media you've consumed you fucking consumer faggot.

[Anonymous No.15957645]

>>15957453
Admittedly I think pity plays a role in it. She had a shit home life for a while and, in light of my loving family, I felt I had to help her in some way before breaking up.

[Anonymous No.15957740]

Yeah fuck it, blogposts ITT
I tried posting a meaningful discussion thread earlier and it was immediately archived for a bunch of bait threads akin to this one.
>>15957465
Crack cocaine for women: men strive for achievement and triumph and the fame that ensues, video games therefore are the great drawback for modern men; women strive for social affluence and networking, social media, likes, it gives them affirmation unlike men.


>>15957399
We’re all the same my friend, only I’m indulging her commitment fantasies because I love to play house.

Both our women will be destroyed by us leaving. They don’t have personalities or lives of their own. In the past they’d rely on the men to define them and these idling TikTok daisygirls would be good homemakers, now they’re just bores, sweet and kind, but ultimately bores.

Don’t know about your qualms anon,
but personally, I have a duty to my kids to find an intelligent wife. Every time I cum in her leaving gets harder. Odd dilemma

>>15957453
As you would tolerate any other person, with kindness and patience. The first step is to let go of self perceived superiority, if you view intelligence as greatness you’re only doing yourself a disfavor. I’ve found that mentality makes you an infinite idiot of sorts. You may perceive yourself superior to others, but then your intelligence is your own limiting factor, dogged down because you’ll never be smart enough.

[Anonymous No.15957819]

>>15957740
>They don’t have personalities or lives of their own
Funnily enough, my gf recently decided to move to a different state out of some ill-conceived idea that her views on life would be completely different there. She almost immediately regretted it and wished to get out of the 1-year lease she signed, which didn't happen. I worry that if that is her initial reaction to getting "a life of her own", then she's more vapid than I thought.
I plan on visiting her in a few months. Hopefully I can work the nerve to break up with her face-to-face

[Anonymous No.15957857]

>>15957111
You can discuss the ideas in books by simplifying them. You don't need to be a prude or nitpick with people who don't read similar things often if all you're doing is striking common ground or trying to understand each other. Besides, if you can't simplify an idea you supposedly understand well then you probably aren't as smart as you think are you.

[Anonymous No.15959107]

>>15957315
This exchange actually gave me feels, wtf I thought this was 4chan not tumb

aw, fuck it guys can I hang too

[Anonymous No.15959291]

>>15955955
I feel he's so good at tricking people into thinking he's intelligent because for a right winger he's somewhat intelligent, but otherwise he's nothing special. His criticism of communism in Notes From Underground is laughable. If he had been born today he would at best be one of those conservative commentators people mock in youtube for how dumb they are.

[Anonymous No.15959386]

>>15959291
There isn't any criticism aimed at communism in particular in Notes from the Underground, Dostoyevsky criticises enslavement to rationality as a whole via criticising utopian ideas, and even then he does that from a perspective of an ill character. Anyway, the work was good and innovative precisely because of how detailed and profound it pictured existential aspect of one's being, not because of its social and political subtexts, which are nearly absent. Get your head out of your ass once and stop applying literally everything to modern politics, faggot.

[Anonymous No.15959394]

>>15955955
after reading "The Grand Inquisitor" I can safely say no, he is no pseud

[Anonymous No.15959426]

>>15959291
/lit/ will seethe but this is true

[Anonymous No.15959438]

>>15959291
>zoomers think Dostoevsky is a 'conservative commentator'
Holy shit you fucking retards. Dostoevsky has never been primarily known for his politics

[Anonymous No.15959490]

>They are large intelligence
atleast you arent a pseud OP

[Anonymous No.15959932]

>>15959426
Yeah I just finished TBK and this was definitely my takeaway. I'd read Crime and Punishment and Poor Folk and his short stories before and been underwhelmed so I was hoping TBK would sell me but... it's just OK. Definitely not The Greatest Novel Ever.

Notes from Underground's pretty good though

[Anonymous No.15959939]

>>15959438
He's literally spending the entire book of TBK screaming about how socialism is the antichrist.

Can't imagine why zoomers wouldn't fall for the meme

[Old Man No.15959973]

It's mind-boggling how people think these are substantial criticisms. "I was underwhelmed." "He would be a conservative commentator." Okay, genius, we get it- you go to Marxist book clubs. Now, be a pal and post the quotes from his books that prove your point

[Anonymous No.15959980]

>>15959939
>He's literally spending the entire book of TBK screaming about how socialism is the antichrist
Why would you say something this completely untrue, do you think nobody here has read the book? Are you thinking of Demons?

[Anonymous No.15959996]

>>15956161
crime and punishment, just read the quote yesterday

[Anonymous No.15960005]

>>15956144
keked

[Anonymous No.15960133]

>>15959980
"The socialist who is a Christian is more to be feared than the socialist who is an atheist." - right from TBK

The entire book is about the decay of Russian society from what Dostoevsky clearly saw as an aristocratic/monarchical golden age. The dying of the monk and his pining for a lost era is all about that.

My reading was certainly that Smerdakov represents the scourge of the disenfranchised greedy hoi polloi trying to get his piece of the pie and how their murderous rage will destroy society, and the weak or sidelined other aspects/brothers will be powerless to halt it.

But hey you've clearly got your own take, love to hear it.

[Anonymous No.15960179]

>>15960133
That sounds like it's about religious belief, buddy.

[Anonymous No.15960211]

>>15960179
The quote? It's clearly about how socialism is fearsome regardless, but that a Socialist Christian is (to FD) a fundamental contradiction that will annihilate the orthodox church, unlike atheistic socialism which is merely a hostile ideology, not an infection

[Anonymous No.15960216]

>>15960211
>It's clearly about how socialism is fearsome regardless, but that a Socialist Christian is (to FD) a fundamental contradiction that will annihilate the orthodox church, unlike atheistic socialism which is merely a hostile ideology, not an infection
You cannot possibly draw such a conclusion from that quote alone. Post more.

[Anonymous No.15960245]

>>15960133
It's about a murder primarily, and the family that the murder revolves around. The most important theme is obviously Christianity, especially the conflict between one's inborn nature and one's freedom of will, and the possibility of redemption in a fallen world.

Father Zosima's dying monologue is about his brother's awakening to Christ through knowing his own sin, through being thankful for suffering, and secondarily about Zosima's redemption from an earlier life of sin, and the interconnected nature of all people's sins.

Smerdyakov is also a Karamazov, he's a bastard, and his similarity to Ivan is repeatedly remarked on. How are you supposed to look at Kolya and his father's stories as being Dostoevsky hating the poor? Dmitri is the villain there, exercising power of rank and wealth, and Dmitri is supposed to atone for what he did, not to mention Dmitri would have killed Fyodor if he hadn't already been dead, he is not really better than Smerdyakov.

Dostoevsky obviously did not like socialism, but to claim TBK is about socialism is ridiculous

[Anonymous No.15960251]

>>15955955
Why didn't he redeem Lise?

[Anonymous No.15960256]

>>15956012
Making friends is easy. You make socially appropriate jokes, ask people questions about themselves, and remember things about people, that's basically it. Spergs saying it's impossible to make friends because of how smart they are is just coping. But despite that, there's a transcendental aspect to human connection that relies on something deeper in both people, and I think very intelligent people do miss out on this since their experience is so vastly different from normal people.

[Anonymous No.15960266]

>>15960216

Socialism comes up repeatedly, always as a negative, and the book itself is a fable about how empowering the powerless leads to destruction and misery.

Take the character of Kolya: he's clearly meant to be Dosto's earlier Western critics -- he supports socialism in conversation with Mitya, but admits during their dialogue that he's a child who can't back up anything he's espousing.

It's all right there in the book, but if you've got an alternate read on the themes, lay em on me, brother

[Anonymous No.15960272]

>>15960245
That's the plot, not the theme, little book report pal.

[Anonymous No.15960277]

>>15960272
>The most important theme is obviously Christianity, especially the conflict between one's inborn nature and one's freedom of will, and the possibility of redemption in a fallen world.

[Anonymous No.15960282]

>>15960245
I never said he hated the poor. I think that Dostoevsky as an anti-socialist/monarchist thinks that the poor should stay in their societally/divinely mandated place and not reach for more than they are given, and I think the book attempts to show this in a dramatic example. You know, like literature and not an essay?

[Anonymous No.15960291]

>>15960282
The book is not about the poor at all, it is explicitly about Alyosha, and his religious struggles against the backdrop of the Karamazov family imploding into violence.

[Anonymous No.15960292]

>>15960277
You're right, sorry, I skimmed over that. I definitely agree, indeed it would be hard to dispute that Christianity is a major subject in TBK, but I maintain that the looming threat of socialism/revolution in Russia is the most pressing thematic concern of the book.

[Anonymous No.15960310]

>>15960291
And I'm saying, you seem overly concerned with the surface aspects of the book's plot, rather than putting work in to discovering what larger subjects the book may be concerned with. But at the end of the day, we all have our own takeaways, that's how art works.

[Anonymous No.15960325]

>>15960310
>>15960292
The larger theme is dealt with at length explicitly in the book, it's Christianity. Claiming the book is secretly about socialism doesn't make you intelligent, it makes you obsessed with politics.

[Anonymous No.15960350]

>>15959291
Dostoyevsky will live on for millenia and you will never create anything worthwhile. Popularity is a sign that someone created something profound and maybe you should process his works like a normal person instead of giving in to your contrarian impulses.

[Anonymous No.15960362]

>>15960325
you're right, a book can only be about one thing. I wish you'd let me know sooner, I could have just skimmed the wikipedia summary.

[Anonymous No.15960364]

>>15955955
How come everytime someone doesn't like something on this board the author must be a pseud. Why can't you just acknowledge that you don't like his writing and move on or discuss the book in a meaningful way.

[Anonymous No.15960370]

>>15960350
Then I guess BLM must be really deep because it's really popular. Yeah. I agree. How much people is retweeting about Dostoyevsky right now? Yeah. I thought so. It's good that we agree though.

[Anonymous No.15960384]

>>15960364
Because I'm tired of pretending that right wingers can be intellectuals just because right wingers are fragile and desperate to idolize whoever believes the same. Dostoyevsky was a good writer, in the sense he wrote good and cathartic stories, because his prose was subpar, but as an intellectual he was laughable and there's nothing wrong with admiring it.

[Anonymous No.15960412]

>>15960384
Dude are you completely fucking retarded? Have you ever noticed that everyone, regardless of their political affiliation, likes Dostoevsky and Tolstoy? Stop watching the news and reading the newspapers for one fucking day and see how much more intelligent you become.

[Anonymous No.15960420]

>>15960384
What do you think of what Joyce said about Dostoevsky's prose?

>..he is the man more than any other who has created modern prose, and intensified it to its
present-day pitch. It was his explosive power which shattered the Victorian novel with its
simpering maidens and ordered commonplaces; books which were without imagination or
violence. I know that some people think he was fantastic, mad even, but the motives he
employed in his work, violence and desire, are the very breath of literature. Much as we know
has been made of his sentence to execution, which was commuted as he was waiting for his turn
to be shot, and of his subsequent four years' imprisonment in Siberia. But those events did not
form his temperament though they may have intensified it, for he was always enamoured of
violence, which makes him so modern. Also it made him distasteful to many of his
contemporaries, Turgeniev for instance, who hated violence. Tolstoy admired him but he thought
that he had little artistic accomplishment or mind. Yet, as he said, 'he admired his heart', a
criticism which contains a great deal of truth, for though his characters do act extravagantly,
madly, almost, still their basis is firm enough underneath... The Brothers Karamozov... made a
deep impression on me... he created some unforgettable scenes [detail]... Madness you may call
it, but therein may be the secret of his genius... I prefer the word exaltation, exaltation which can
merge into madness, perhaps. In fact all great men have had that vein in them; it was the source
of their greatness; the reasonable man achieves nothing.

[Anonymous No.15960430]

>>15960412
Tolstoy was a leftist though and a much superior intellectual. And I'm not saying Dostoyevsky is bad. I like him too. I'm just saying that as an intellectual he's laughable. Bad takes shouldn't be entertained just because he wrote some good stories.

[Anonymous No.15960446]

>>15957819
good luck with that anon.
>>15960292
>skimmed over that
>looming threat of socialism/revolution in Russia is the most pressing
dude you're just reading this with historical hindsight. Most pressing... my ass. Reread

[Anonymous No.15960481]

>>15960384
Literally anyone before the modern era would be considered right wing by people like you. How can you read any great literature if that is your mindset?

[Anonymous No.15960491]

>>15960430
You can keep claiming who is and is not an intellectual but it sounds like you just don't like things that you can't easily rationalize into your fringe worldview.

[Anonymous No.15960496]

>>15960481
Dostoyevsky was a right winger even for his time. Also I have no problem reading and enjoying him. I just don't pretend their political ideas are valid just because they put them in good books. Bad takes must be called out.

[Anonymous No.15960518]

>>15960496
>Disliking socialism and liking Christianity was right-wing in the 19th century
You're delusional.

[Anonymous No.15960527]

>>15960496
Not a single person on this board cares about your opinions of Dostoevsky's politics, which he undoubtedly knew way more about than you do anyway, since you're a zoomer who gets his opinions from social media.

You creepy little puritans running around checking ideological conformity of writers from over a century ago, just fuck off

[Anonymous No.15960551]

>>15960527
So you're just going to deny all his bad takes? If Dostoyevsky were alive today he would have a reactionary channel in youtube in which he would talk against free healthcare because we will end up just like Venezuela. He was a good writer. He was good understanding psychology. But when it came to politics he was a reactionary moron. It's okay to have a layered opinion of him. Just because he wrote good books doesn't mean he must be perfect. It's perfectly possible, even if statistically improbable, that a right wingers can have stupid political ideas and still write good books.

[Anonymous No.15960564]

>>15960551
What are his bad takes? Not everyone takes social leftism as a default position so you need to actually explain yourself if your going to keep arguing about this.

[Anonymous No.15960574]

>>15960551
>everybody who disagrees with me politically is a moron
You are a discredit to your own political position.

[Anonymous No.15960609]

>>15959291
He's not criticizing communism... but utopianism and materialism (ideas which were central to socialists/revolutionaries in Russia). Never in his book does he ever even mention communism or its tenets. Total pseud post.

[Anonymous No.15960620]

>>15960551
What a fucking brainlet you are, having to reduce everything to your 115 IQ youtube-packaged worldview. Stop watching Contrapoints and Cuck philoshophy and escape the retarded right-left dichotomy you are trapped in.

[Anonymous No.15961918]

>>15960564
>what are his bad takes?
>radio silence
pottery

[Anonymous No.15962295]

>>15959932
TBK was my first Dosto novel and the themes were so contrived, the characters over dramatic, and the plot forced. I recently read C&P and felt the exact same way, contrivances and conveniences to orchestrate characters into unnatural directions. Also, why exactly was it so horrible for Raskolnikov;s sister to get engaged to a well off lawyer? Because he thinks a poor woman will make for a more loyal wife? That's actually kind of based, but then since he needs to be a villain there's that laughable scene where he plants money on Sonya in plain view of a witness so he can get outed as a nasty nasty evil man and vindicate Raskolnikov's distrust of him while never being heard from again. Yawn.

[Anonymous No.15962653]

>>15957635
Based

[Anonymous No.15962690]

>>15960430
>Tolstoy was a superior intellectual

[Anonymous No.15962701]

>>15960551
This post literally can’t be real I could post this on other social media websites and immediately get clout based on how fucking hilariously dumb this is

[Anonymous No.15962767]

>>15955955
>Everyone will think they are large intelligence after reading this since everyone is in pain from their own perspective.
That's not what the quote says.

[Anonymous No.15962771]

>>15960551
we need to ban twittertards