Demiurge memes are fucking with my head

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Demiurge memes are fucking with my head Anonymous Sat Jul 18 03:33:02 2020 No.15893066 [Reply] [Original]

A few months ago I read about some /x/-tier theory about the afterlife that seemed to draw from a mishmash of new age, out-of-context interpretations of the Tibetan Book of the Dead, and Gnosticism. It boiled down to something like: "the light after death is a trap", "you must escape the light to break free of the material realm" and whatnot.
For some reason I can't stop thinking about it, even though I've never subscribed to any religion and have always been the agnostic theist type. I'm especially perplexed by the numerous NDE reports that seem to corroborate the aforementioned claims, at this point it's almost giving me an existential crisis.
What are your thoughts on that particular subject? Has it ever been touched upon in scripture, exegeses, or literature in general? Any book recommendations to get rid of these parasitic ideas?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 04:09:00 2020 No.15893223 >>15893066 Is this a picture of Mordecai and Rigby?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 04:18:28 2020 No.15893241 >>15893066 >agnostic theist What?

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Anonymous Sat Jul 18 04:20:03 2020 No.15893248

>>15893241
>Agnostic theism, agnostotheism or agnostitheism is the philosophical view that encompasses both theism and agnosticism. An agnostic theist believes in the existence of a God or gods, but regards the basis of this proposition as unknown or inherently unknowable. The agnostic theist may also or alternatively be agnostic regarding the properties of the God or gods that they believe in.
Couldn't you just look it up? It can be summed up as "I don't know, but I believe".

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 04:31:15 2020 No.15893291 >>15893244 That's interesting but how does it tie in to what I said?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 04:39:04 2020 No.15893319 >>15893248 >An agnostic theist believes in the existence of a God or gods, but regards the basis of this proposition as unknown or inherently unknowable. Did you find that on Reddit? What's next? Gnostic atheism?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 04:42:34 2020 No.15893332 >>15893319 >Gnostic atheism No, but there's agnostic atheism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 04:44:10 2020 No.15893342 >>15893066 Wait, you're telling me that there is personal testimony to a wacky belief system? Brb, killing myself to escape the demiurge because a "benevolent daemon" told me to.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 04:45:25 2020 No.15893344 It's worse than you think. The entire universe is a trap so even if you manage to free yourself from rebirth you will still be bound by karma to roam the universe until the lights go out. And after the lights go out. Thanks Mr cosmic architect !

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 04:46:48 2020 No.15893348 >>15893342 That's the thing though, it's not so much personal testimony as it is a large compendium of experiences that aren't directly related to the belief system, but that seem to mostly back up the claims it makes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 04:50:18 2020 No.15893362 >>15893344 https://archive.org/details/moksha_video_20190830

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 05:01:46 2020 No.15893418 >>15893362 How am I supposed to believe that someone is sincere in what they are saying when they make for themselves an intro sequence like that?

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 05:03:42 2020 No.15893426

>>15893362
Yes we'll the problem is the siddhis or powers that come before you can properly liberate yourself from this universe. Most adepts use these abilities in a way that generates karma which then totally fucks you when you run out of bodies to metampsychosize into.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 05:18:05 2020 No.15893491 >>15893426 Sounds like a larp and I don't mean this in a demeaning way even

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 05:32:28 2020 No.15893533

>>15893491
It's actually from Indian philosophy. Look up raja yoga, swami Vivekananda, samkhya philosophy. They don't explicitly warn about becoming a disembodied consciousness bound forever to a lightless void but if you merely extrapolate what they say about karma and add a little modern physics you come up with some seriously horrific shit that keeps me up most nights thinking about

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 06:15:31 2020 No.15893690 >>15893533 Quick reminder that Indians poo in streets.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 06:33:43 2020 No.15893752 >>15893332 No.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 06:39:46 2020 No.15893774

>>15893066
There are certain realities that do not line up with the wide spread rationalistic framework, and due to their uncomfortableness they are generally disregarded. Some people react to these realities as the primitive man would: they would accept them dogmatically and in a superstitious way. This need not be so. If you are looking for rationally coherent and plausible views that fully explain material and non-material truths of the world, I'd suggest Schopenhauer and Jung.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 06:44:24 2020 No.15893792 >>15893752 Why are you frustrated over something this asinine?

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 06:50:32 2020 No.15893808

did you read the rest of the Tibetan Book of the Dead? Get the full picture of what was being said and why.

study buddhadharma and stop working yourself up over the equivalent of spiritual creepypasta. posts like
>>15893344
>>15893426
>>15893533
come across like redditors pretending that lovecraft stories are real. this kind of shit is cringe and gay as fuck.
>They don't explicitly warn about becoming a disembodied consciousness bound forever to a lightless void but if you merely extrapolate what they say about karma and add a little modern physics you come up with some seriously horrific shit that keeps me up most nights thinking about

nigga you sound like a dungeons and dragons dungeon master trying to come up with a spooky storyline for his gay nerd doritos quest or whatever. if your reading is spooking and making your triple chins ripple in chilly terror you why don't you learn to meditate and develop a more grown-up way of relating to these ideas.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 06:52:43 2020 No.15893817 this thread is full of fat dorks who deserve to be bullied

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 06:56:49 2020 No.15893831 >>15893808 >Get the full picture of what was being said and why. The passage seemed quite unambiguous regarding the nature of the "light" in the bardo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 07:06:31 2020 No.15893853 >>15893817 I'm not fat

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 07:33:41 2020 No.15893957 >>15893774 >rationally coherent and plausible >Jung Care to elaborate?

>>	colby !pAe1mgBY8w Sat Jul 18 07:37:27 2020 No.15893970 >>15893223 thats why i expanded the thread. It looks very much to be the case.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 07:41:50 2020 No.15893988

>>15893957
People usually have this view of Jung as this crazy mystic, but all he does is offering empirical theories which are perhaps more "philosophically oriented" than modern science. His theories are not as reductionist as much as the modern psychology would like, but I think it has to be admitted that it's impossible to make sense of certain aspects of the world with exclusively reductionist and positivist methods. Jung nevertheless tells you why he adopts a certain theory, and his psychology in general is a rational framework of the mind.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 07:44:15 2020 No.15893995 >woah bro... what if this entire prison can only be escaped once we transition into the opposite sex and dilate our holes at least 100 times before dying??? that's how stupid you sound OP even if it were true there's nothing to support this thesis

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 07:46:55 2020 No.15894007 >>15893066 Read Yoga Vasistha and escape this transmigrational concept you have.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 07:48:55 2020 No.15894018

>>15893995
>nothing to support this thesis
Thousands of NDE accounts with glaring similarities
>seeing a light that's eerily attractive/hypnotic
>feeling pulled into it in an almost or downright coercitive manner
>meeting entities that convince you to "go back" or even intimidate you into coming back here
That's the quick rundown but there are other details.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 07:58:55 2020 No.15894063
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>>15894018

you think that shit's weird, just wait til you discover the vast archive of alien abduction experiences with corresponding details.

weird stuff is going on in this world.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 08:32:21 2020 No.15894205 http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/index.html Is that what you're talking about, OP? What makes this different from other schizo rambling blogs like timecube?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 09:07:42 2020 No.15894393 >>15894205 Timecube doesn't have a large number of consistent testimonies.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 09:14:46 2020 No.15894428
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>>15893066
>I'm especially perplexed by the numerous NDE reports that seem to corroborate the aforementioned claims, at this point it's almost giving me an existential crisis.

Just a naive idea, but couldn't the whole light thing be just because people with NDEs are often in hospitals having lights shining down upon them?

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 09:16:02 2020 No.15894431

>>15893066
lots of people are going down this rabit hole lately. we are trapped in the matrix. the archons use us as a soul farm. don't go into the light. go back to the oneness. reject the trap. the reason there is duality is because the archons are evil and gave us a piece of them. but they are also a piece of the oneness. so we are inside good v evil.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 09:34:01 2020 No.15894517 >>15894428 Nah there are quite a few reports that didn't happen in a hospital, like Amy Call's

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 09:38:15 2020 No.15894536 >>15894431 >the afterlife is a generic good vs evil Hollywood-tier plot about breaking free of some astral prison Sounds lame. I don't buy it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 09:40:37 2020 No.15894546 File: 460 KB, 1123x745, 1593505623028.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15894517 There are plenty of opportunities for light sources though. On a sunny day even the sun can play that role. I haven't read on specific cases though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 09:43:50 2020 No.15894572 >>15894546 IIRC the one I mentioned (Amy Call) happened in a dark bedroom so if anything it's a counter example to your hypothesis. Still, you may be right for some NDEs.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 09:44:13 2020 No.15894575

I had an NDE once,

Everything felt incredibly calm, felt the butterfly tingling of love in my entire chest and was enveloped in violet haze. My awareness of my surroundings gradually increased, like the POV slider in games, until I felt I was no more and then it stopped and I managed to breathe again

hope everyone experiences it like this or better

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 09:48:01 2020 No.15894595 >>15893244 >red herring research to fuck with the USSR

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 09:51:59 2020 No.15894623

>>15894536
It would make sense that reality itself works the same as pretty much every story we have created because a common element of truth will work its way through everything, it's the literal nature of reality so of course all our stories will be based around it.

Although we probably can't break free, we'd need outside help and that might not exist or might not happen for millions of years so we're pretty much trapped for good if this is real.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 09:55:45 2020 No.15894645 >>15894623 Sounds like bullshit fear mongering either way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 10:02:13 2020 No.15894677 >>15894623 Sounds like some x tier retard babble. Do you read books by chance? Or just blogs?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 10:04:18 2020 No.15894692 >>15893241 anglo bugman terminology, feel free to ignore

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 10:26:17 2020 No.15894819 >>15894692 Cope

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 10:34:50 2020 No.15894866 The demiurge is benevolent and he himself came down to us in order to point to the right path of liberation. No amount of pseudoesoteric knowledge will make it, the divine harmony penetrates everything.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 10:59:38 2020 No.15895019

>>15894645
>>15894677
Obviously none of us can know for certain but I think it makes sense if you see how reality works on our level. Look how we humans have dominion over the Earth, why wouldn't a higher being have dominion over us? Everything on this level evolves on the principles of survival of the fittest, what if all reality on all its levels works on those same principles? Kill or be killed, might makes right etc, then something like this is bound to happen if there is some sort of gain for those beings in trapping us here. I hope it's not like this but it easily could be.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 11:14:20 2020 No.15895087 File: 23 KB, 260x335, 41X6jdvC4ML.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone read these?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 11:17:06 2020 No.15895104 these people are crafty, anon, but they want to send you to hell/keep you trapped forever. don't listen to them.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 11:23:46 2020 No.15895154
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So if I'm understanding correctly,
I don't go to the light of (imposter?) Heaven but instead choose to go to the outer wall and escape, otherwise I will be stuck in the endless cycle of death and rebirth into this material world? The main issue being there are many traps along the way that will lead me away from the path of the boundary wall each and every time I "die". Except the longer I stay in this "reality" the more rotten my soul becomes, so it's better to escape when you're still pure, otherwise a point comes in which your soul has deteriorated to such a degree that you won't even want to escape anymore.

Sort of getting the right idea no?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 11:33:16 2020 No.15895197 >>15895019 You haven't answered my question. Have you finished any philosophy book if only the greeks?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 11:49:38 2020 No.15895318 >>15893066 http://trisagionseraph.tripod.com/Texts/Plotinus5.html

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 11:50:12 2020 No.15895321 >>15895104 Who should people listen to, if anyone?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 11:51:13 2020 No.15895330 >>15895154 That's the gist of it. The idea that we only have a limited amount of reincarnations before our soul becomes too damaged to escape is terrifying.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 11:51:36 2020 No.15895333 >>15895321 You should be fine following the precepts of whatever religion you were born with.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 11:52:16 2020 No.15895341 >>15895333 I wasn't born into any religion in particular.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 11:52:57 2020 No.15895347 >>15895341 what is your ethnicity?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 11:53:37 2020 No.15895353 >>15895347 Euro/MENA mix.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 11:55:18 2020 No.15895362 >>15895353 >Euro/MENA mix. can you be more specific at all? Like you are German-Iranian? Irish-Moroccon, Italian-Jewish, ect. It's relevant.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 11:56:50 2020 No.15895371 >>15895362 Most of my family is either French or Turkish. What makes race relevant when it comes to spirituality?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 11:58:09 2020 No.15895378 >>15895371 >French-Turkish so i'd say convert to Catholic Christianity or Sunni Islam and follow it's precepts. These are the religions of your people, at the end of the day, whether you were personally raised as them or not.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 11:58:43 2020 No.15895379

>>15895154
>>15895330
>I don't go to the light of (imposter?) Heaven but instead choose to go to the outer wall and escape, otherwise I will be stuck in the endless cycle of death and rebirth into this material world?
Except this is the literal opposite of what every ancient religion tought. For example in orphic legends you have to trick the gods/guardian who guard the light/waters that you have to drink from to gain immortality and become one with god/gods. If you don't get let in, then you fall back into the material realm. Sounds like some new age trickery.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:00:04 2020 No.15895387 >>15895362 Not him but a German-Iranian here. Feels good to be a pure blooded Aryan.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:00:15 2020 No.15895390

>>15895378
>These are the religions of your people
As far as I know, the part of my family that comes from Turkey were raised as Orthodox Christians, for what it's worth.
But you didn't answer my question, why should I necessarily follow a religion just because it's part of my cultural heritage and regardless of its precepts?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:01:17 2020 No.15895396 >>15895379 Read the testimonies on >>15894205 Everyone who goes into the light is tricked by some entity to come back to this plane. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v79lVNKthCw

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:02:25 2020 No.15895404

>>15895379
That's Gnosticism, dude. The fact that religions other than Gnosticism didn't teach what Gnosticism taught is because they aren't Gnosticism. I'm using "Gnosticism" as if it were a single coherent thing (actual Gnostics would disagree with that) rather than just a fuckton of competing schools, of course.

And no, you don't have to trick the Gods in Orphism, they're the very ones who set the system up and give people the light and wisdom to get out of the system in the first place. Source: The House of Hades, it's up on libgen, it's by Lars Albinus (the other "The House of Hades" is genrefiction).

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:02:41 2020 No.15895405

>>15895390
>why should I necessarily follow a religion just because it's part of my cultural heritage and regardless of its precepts?
because all traditional religions offer a path to ascent to God, and unless you are specific drawn to one religion or another i.e. Jesus calls you in a dream and your inclined to convert to Christianity, you are better off simply following the religion which will resonate with your culture, heritage and genetics the most.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:04:10 2020 No.15895415 File: 68 KB, 1300x866, 32465308.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15895379 >Sounds like some new age trickery Yes but who is tricking who

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:04:20 2020 No.15895417 >>15895405 >all traditional religions offer a path to ascent to God, Why not just opt for the perennialist stance, then? Even if I wanted to convert, I have absolutely no idea what the right choice would be between Catholicism and Orthodoxy.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:04:25 2020 No.15895419

>>15895390
Not him but according to Jung religions of your ethnicity are more suited to the structure of your unconscious and therefore more spiritually/psychologically beneficial. If the religion is too far away from your ethnicity it might even prove to be harmful.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:06:09 2020 No.15895437 >>15895417 >Why not just opt for the perennialist stance, then? Because all religions hold that the Perennial Tradition is their religion.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:07:23 2020 No.15895451

>>15895419
>religions of your ethnicity are more suited to the structure of your unconscious
How does that apply to mixed ethnicities, and to children who weren't raised in a strongly culturally biased home?
>>15895437
What I meant is, why not just assume that there exists a prisca theologia that permeates through all religions and leave it at that?

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:07:28 2020 No.15895453

>>15895417
>Why not just opt for the perennialist stance, then?
that is the perennialist stance
>Even if I wanted to convert, I have absolutely no idea what the right choice would be between Catholicism and Orthodoxy.
If you are actually serious about conversion, the most important thing is whether or not the parish you'll inevitable attend is welcoming to you. I'm not saying it has to fit you exactly, but these are real people you'll be interacting with. Not just anonymous post over the internet.
You might have a local catholic parish which is good, or bad. Same with orthodoxy. See what the actual ground situation is.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:09:54 2020 No.15895469

>>15895451
>How does that apply to mixed ethnicities
Hard to answer, but the best thing to do is what the anon said. Chose the one traditionally your family favored.
>and to children who weren't raised in a strongly culturally biased home?
The structure of the unconscious seems to be innate and even biological, so it doesn't matter.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:10:29 2020 No.15895472

>>15895451
You could, sure, yeah, but then you're not really doing anything involving existing religions, you're just creating a new micro-religion in order to minimize the necessity of having to actually engage with religion. Which, if all you want to do is just have a way to shrug and say "Not my circus, not my monkeys" then yeah, go for it bro.

Doing that would be unsatisfying for me, but then, you aren't me and I'm not you. Anything more involves actually picking a religion.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:10:57 2020 No.15895474

>>15895451
>What I meant is, why not just assume that there exists a prisca theologia that permeates through all religions and leave it at that?
because sola fide is wrong. For you to transcend, you actually need to pious. if you assume all religions have some merit yet live a lukewarm, secular life with very little spirituality & religiously beyond vague intellectual sentiments than you won't get merit as opposed to sincerely sacrificing yourself to a teaching.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:12:17 2020 No.15895487 File: 24 KB, 743x286, 1582458529602.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15895318 This.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:14:36 2020 No.15895504 >>15895487 lmao

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:15:09 2020 No.15895508

>>15895453
I live in a big city, I'm not in touch with any local communities. If I start seriously considering conversion then I'll just have to test the waters I suppose.
>>15895469
>The structure of the unconscious seems to be innate and even biological,
What led Jung to that conclusion?

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:24:40 2020 No.15895568

>>15895472
What has always made me hesitant to subscribe to any religion was how specific they all are. There's no rigor at all to my reasoning but I can't imagine the narrowness of our experience and perception being sufficient to grasp the underlying truths of reality. I don't get a feeling of overarching oneness and insight from the exposure I've had to religion in my life so far.
Those who are religious will argue that specific divine revelations provide genuine insight but it seems like a snake biting its own tail situation and I remain unconvinced.
>>15895474
>sola fide is wrong
Why? I don't know too much about theology.
How is it possible to ascertain the legitimacy of a specific teaching? Sorry for the utilitarian wording but since there is no guarantee that devoting oneself to a particular dogma will yield favorable results, why should I drop my lukewarm agnosticism? Then again I've always been scared of getting tunnel vision and missing the big picture which is why committing to anything (spiritually speaking) is difficult for me.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:26:03 2020 No.15895577

>>15895508
>What led Jung to that conclusion?
Mostly an analysis of dreams and works of art, which represent the contents of the unconscious. If a person's dreams represents a motif is that is shared by their ethnicity while the person is unaware of the motif itself (as is in the case of for example being culturally foreign to it despite ethnicity), it would point towards this theory. As it happens this has repeatedly shown to be the case.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:29:42 2020 No.15895604

>>15895577
Did Jung consider that the dilution of culture through modern cosmopolitanism was inconsequential? Many younger people today are absolutely not in touch with their ethnic and cultural backgrounds, is this systematically offset by biology then?
Aren't dreams essentially influenced by personal experiences (including surroundings) which are necessarily similar in any given community?
Regardless, did those observations lead Jung to any particular conclusions or did he just leave it at that? It sounds like an interesting subject.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:43:38 2020 No.15895674

>>15895604
>Did Jung consider that the dilution of culture through modern cosmopolitanism was inconsequential?
When Jung was doing his work cosmopolitanism wasn't as wide spread as it is today. Even so, yes he did consider it in individual cases if he saw it was present in the patient.
>Many younger people today are absolutely not in touch with their ethnic and cultural backgrounds, is this systematically offset by biology then?
At least to a great extent yes. Though we should consider that we, as humans, share a great part of our unconscious regardless of ethnicity, and many ethnicities' unconscious are similar to each other despite being situated at a distance (while at the same time many being different). These all would have their effects. Many mythological motifs of the past constantly for example constantly resurface through movies and other media.
>Aren't dreams essentially influenced by personal experiences (including surroundings) which are necessarily similar in any given community?
Some parts of it, yes. This part of the psyche he calls the "personal unconscious," that is affected by the person's life and experiences. There is however another part, more primal and less accessible, that is not affected by personal experiences. From this part, which he calls "collective unconscious", mythological dreams originate.
>Regardless, did those observations lead Jung to any particular conclusions or did he just leave it at that?
Well, he made a theory of mind partly based on them. He usually cites those cases as his empirical proof of the collective unconscious.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:54:20 2020 No.15895730

>>15895674
>There is however another part, more primal and less accessible
Did Jung ever come up with methods to "tap into" the collective unconscious, or did he always consider it to be mostly unreachable?
Could you point me towards the specific books that elaborate on those ideas we've been discussing? I'm very interested but from what I've seen Jung's writing is cryptic and difficult to navigate.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 12:58:23 2020 No.15895744

>>15895568
>Why?
it's not enough to just "think" the right thing. You have to put it into action and/or contemplation some how. In a Christian sense, Action is by doing acts i.e sacraments, charity, crusading, evangelizing. Contemplation is mediation i..e the mysteries of the rosary, the reading scripture. You could *know* that these things are efficacious, but unless you do something with the knowledge, it amounts to a triviality.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 13:06:07 2020 No.15895781 >>15895744 >unless you do something with the knowledge, it amounts to a triviality. Why should knowledge always lead to action? What is gained from applying a truth, if the truth is already known?

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 13:08:07 2020 No.15895792

>>15895730
>Did Jung ever come up with methods to "tap into" the collective unconscious, or did he always consider it to be mostly unreachable?
Dreams is the most obvious way, since they are originated from the unconscious. If you are at all artistically oriented, that's another way as well (both visual and written arts). There is also active imagination if you have a strong imagination.

If you meant there is a way to tap exclusively into the collective unconscious and not the personal one, then no the methods are the same. However, if you don't have many repressions, then your dreams tend to be more mythological. If you do suffer from repressions, then your dreams would more point to your personal shadow, which is in need of a more urgent attention.
>Could you point me towards the specific books that elaborate on those ideas we've been discussing?
"The Portable Jung" is a good collection of his papers organized in a structured progressive order. I didn't have any troubles understanding him reading that. But Jung is operating in a paradigm foreign to most people today. While I wouldn't say it's strictly required, a prior familiarity with philosophers like Kant, Schopenhauer, and Nietzsche would help greatly if you still had trouble understanding him. He borrows a lot from them.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 13:09:51 2020 No.15895802

>>15895781
>What is gained from applying a truth, if the truth is already known?
when you die, you're gonna be judged. God hates the lukewarm.
>And to the angel of the church of Laodicea, write: These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, who is the beginning of the creation of God: I know thy works, that thou art neither cold, nor hot. I would thou wert cold, or hot.

>But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, nor hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest: I am rich, and made wealthy, and have need of nothing: and knowest not, that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked. I counsel thee to buy of me gold fire tried, that thou mayest be made rich; and mayest be clothed in white garments, and that the shame of thy nakedness may not appear; and anoint thy eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. Such as I love, I rebuke and chastise. Be zealous therefore, and do penance. Behold, I stand at the gate, and knock. If any man shall hear my voice, and open to me the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

>To him that shall overcome, I will give to sit with me in my throne: as I also have overcome, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 13:12:26 2020 No.15895814

>>15895792
>active imagination
Does this extend to tastes, general inclinations or life choices? Surely not every facet of our lives can be traced back to the collective unconscious but is there a clearly defined "limit" to its influence?
>If you do suffer from repressions, then your dreams would more point to your personal shadow
What does this mean?
Thanks for the recommendation.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 13:14:48 2020 No.15895823 >>15895802 >God hates Does he?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 13:15:48 2020 No.15895830 >>15895823 yes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 13:20:46 2020 No.15895844 >>15895830 Why?

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 13:31:05 2020 No.15895903

>>15895844
don't ask why, but "why not"
>Six things there are, which the Lord hateth, and the seventh his soul detesteth: Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, A heart that deviseth wicked plots, feet that are swift to run into mischief, A deceitful witness that uttereth lies, and him that soweth discord among brethren. My son, keep the commandments of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother.
So when asking "why" God hates these things, i'd say that he hates them because they lead men to sin. Why does God hate things which lead men to sin? Because men are his children, and by sinning, they separate themselves from him forever. God loves his children, but by their sinning, they willfully separate themselves from him. It is erroneous to assume that God is an unfeeling being, on the contrary God possess the totality of all feelings.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 13:32:46 2020 No.15895909 >>15893066 It's real. All of it.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 13:32:59 2020 No.15895911

>>15895814
>Does this extend to tastes, general inclinations or life choices? Surely not every facet of our lives can be traced back to the collective unconscious but is there a clearly defined "limit" to its influence?
Active imagination is a method in which you start a fantasy and give the imagination free reign wherever it wants to go, without consciously altering the fantasy. It is, as the name suggests, a sort of "active" imagination. I don't see how this relates to tastes. But regarding inclinations and choices, the Jungian view is that we are for the most part driven by instincts. While we may attempt to influence our instincts by our reason, these attempts are most of the time and for most people unsuccessful. Instincts, too, originate from the unconscious, though not necessarily from the collective part. Only a few people like artists or legitmate prophets or even individuals like Napoleon and Hitler are for the most part driven by the collective unconscious. It's hard to say how much, but for most of us most of the time we are driven by our personal unconscious, unless we are taking a "collective" action. Jung for example says the sudden resurgence of Nazism in 20th century was a product of German collective unconscious, which is represented by their traditional god Wotan, the god of storm and frenzy.
>What does this mean?
It's hard to summarize in a 4chan post, but we are sometimes driven to repress some of the natural parts of our personality, perhaps due to socialization or perhaps due to personal moral values. This repression, in this form, is unhealthy and gives rise to many psychological illnesses. In dreams of repressed people a figure usually appears that bears the repressed qualities of the person. This is the way the unconscious cries for help, trying to give you hints for the root of psychological illness.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 13:33:42 2020 No.15895915 >>15895903 Thank you for clarifying. >>15895909 What makes you say that?

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 13:34:18 2020 No.15895918

>>15895823
You will find differences of opinion on the nature of emotion in God - whether describing God as having emotions like love or hate is "purely" analogous to the point of almost being fictional, or whether God really does "feel" bowels of tender mercies and compassion.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 13:35:45 2020 No.15895929 >>15895915 >What makes you say that? Personal experiences. Then I confirmed lots of people all over the world have experienced the same. And some wiser men went even further.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 13:36:24 2020 No.15895935 >>15895929 >Personal experiences >some wiser men went even further Could you elaborate a little?

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 13:45:31 2020 No.15895995

>>15895911
I was referring to tastes in the more instinctual sense but you answered my question anyway.
There are collective unconsciousnesses for countries, ethnic groups and whatnot that express themselves through events and societal changes, but has the overarching human collective unconscious ever produced something? I'm guessing it hasn't, since all of humanity has never been truly spurred to action.
Does the collective unconscious have an observable dynamic (cyclical, or accelerationist)?
>a figure usually appears that bears the repressed qualities of the person
I was trying to relate this to personal experience, but it leads nowhere. My dreams are mundane or unnerving, sometimes eerie in a grotesque kind of way but that's about it.

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Anonymous Sat Jul 18 13:58:19 2020 No.15896065

>>15895995
>Does the collective unconscious have an observable dynamic (cyclical, or accelerationist)?
There is the principle of compensation for both personal and collective unconscious. When a quality is consciously repressed, then the unconscious will try to compensate for it by way of dreams or representations in arts.
>My dreams are mundane or unnerving, sometimes eerie in a grotesque kind of way but that's about it.
Seems like you are psychologically mostly healthy. I've seen my shadow plenty of times in my dreams, and whenever friends or family relate their dreams to me the shadow is immediately perceptible, since it is so obviously the opposite of their conscious persona.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 13:58:22 2020 No.15896066

>>15893066
It's the opposite I think, the white light is the source where you'll find liberation. After death there are many lights and doorways, they're all traps and lead to reincarnations, you'll probably be terrified and run into one without much thought

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 14:00:14 2020 No.15896075 >>15896065 >the principle of compensation So the unconscious, whether personal or collective, just seeks balance, or to be in a state of relative equilibrium? >my shadow If you don't mind me asking, what "form" does your shadow take?

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 14:01:48 2020 No.15896085

>>15893066
I recently had a NDE as a result of a heat stroke, and I can confirm the light is real. It began as a pinpoint in the center of my otherwise-black field of view. I felt able to "will" myself closer to it and make it grow larger, or "will" myself away from it to make it grow smaller. The entire experience was peaceful, and I felt like I had the choice to die or not based only on my own will. I decided to stay because I felt like I had unfinished business, but I definitely think I could have leaned into it and chosen to die in that moment. It wasn't frightening and it didn't feel evil at all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 14:05:30 2020 No.15896104 >>15896085 >it didn't feel evil at all. But can you really trust your feelings?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 14:13:39 2020 No.15896150 >>15896104 How can you trust mirrors if your eyes aren't real?

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 14:14:36 2020 No.15896157

>>15895935
I've had out-of-body experiences in the past, yes. Astral projection is another name for it. Later I look it up online and there are many communities of people who have experienced the same and some who were eager to learn how to do it. Browsing through them I realized that there were some who went even further and had explored that plane of existence way more than me. People who were into meditation, physics, etc. There was even a Russian guy who was writing his own theory about this. That guy's post blew my mind. He travelled up to the highest point he could and said it massively drained your energy. What surprised is that unlike dreams, where many random things can happen, people were telling a very similar tune regarding AP.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 14:15:20 2020 No.15896160 >>15896157 Okay, but how does that tie in to the OP exactly?

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 14:22:00 2020 No.15896197

>>15896075
>So the unconscious, whether personal or collective, just seeks balance, or to be in a state of relative equilibrium?
Exactly, yes.
>If you don't mind me asking, what "form" does your shadow take?
I will relate to you my most recent shadow dream, though you should have a notion of myself first. I am highly introverted, very intellectually oriented, I take the arts very seriously and (though I won't admit it outside the anonymity of 4chan) I am very elitist about it, despising most people, even those who are supposed to have the same interests as mine. As a result I am most of the time alone in my room reading or thinking, my body is, though healthy, underused and lean; my skin is also pale due to lack of contact with sunrise.

Now, in the dream, a rich aristocratic friend of mine had built for me as a token of gratitude a fortress-like house that was secured by a highly advanced technology. He showed me the house, which I very much like, but I had to leave to tend to some business. When I returned, I found that the highly guarded door was open, and a swarthy, loud, muscular, construction worker was painting the wall of my house, despite it not needing it and my not knowing anything about it. Frightened, I rushed into the house trying to luck the door by the technology, but it didn't work. I tried to lock it manually, but the worker would push from the outside trying to stop me. I also pushed, overpowering him, only to find out the manual lock was broken too. I rushed into my bedroom which was supposed to be even more secure, only to find out its lock was broken also. The dream ended as the worker entered the house approaching me.

I think it's obvious how the worker is the exact opposite of me, and what he was doing was forcefully infiltrating my purposefully solitary life. Honestly, I would try to work on my shadow, but I don't even know what to do. So it just sort of remains there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 14:25:42 2020 No.15896221 Gnostics are schizos and their worldview is incoherent. Gnostics on /x/ are just new age retards. Dont worry about it

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 14:34:20 2020 No.15896279

>>15896197
What I gathered from your post is that your shadow expresses in a caricatural and threatening or stressful way the imbalances in your life? As you said, it's the exact opposite of you, shown to you in a way that forces you to act or that compromises your safety. I don't know anything about dream interpretation or analytic psychology, but it's interesting that the shadow (in the way you describe it, at least) appears as a counterweight to a perceived imbalance in your life, since you said that the unconscious in general mainly sought stability. So the shadow is like a mechanism to correct unstable habits and behaviors. If that's the case, doesn't it show you, simply by how it appears in dreams, what steps should be taken to fix imbalances?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 14:42:01 2020 No.15896330 >>15895396 what the fuck this thread is making me dizzy

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 14:42:11 2020 No.15896331 >>15896221 >their worldview is incoherent. What is incoherent about the belief that the material plane is a prison?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 14:46:39 2020 No.15896355 >>15896330 What's wrong anon?

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 14:47:53 2020 No.15896365

>>15896279
Your understanding is correct. In some of the dreams that I've read Jung analyzed (though I haven't read very much), there are subtle hints about it. In other cases it was either obvious or the way was suggested by Jung or the attending analyst. Jung also suggests that even most skillful analysts miss things about their own dreams that are immediately obvious to their colleagues, so he doesn't advise this kind of self-analysis. In an ideal case it should be carried out by a skilled analyst, though I personally have no desire of visiting any (at least for now).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 14:49:14 2020 No.15896377 >>15896331 Gnostics want to simultaneously assert a Monad and also substance dualism. A One from Whom all is emmenant but also a contrary evil substance and agent independent of the One

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 14:49:20 2020 No.15896378 >>15896365 >a skilled analyst I'm guessing finding one is tough in the first place. The field of psychology is littered with charlatans and clueless glorified statisticians.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 14:52:03 2020 No.15896399 >>15896377 >independent of the One I don't think that's the case, aren't archons supposed to be emanations of the pleroma as well?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 14:52:33 2020 No.15896403 >>15896160 Gnosticism and AP share core concepts. What APers have seen resembles a lot what OP is describing.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 14:55:34 2020 No.15896417

>>15896378
Yes, though I've heard the Jung institute is rigorous and strict in its qualifications. If you live near a major city you could look through the web page of your local Jungian society to see which of them seem properly qualified. They are far and few between, but fortunately the field seems to be at least barely alive.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 14:56:53 2020 No.15896428 >>15896403 >Gnosticism and AP share core concepts Like what? I'm as skeptical of AP as I am of purportedly "enlightening" psychedelic experiences.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:00:33 2020 No.15896451 >"enlightening" psychedelic experiences Ap is just as subjective, you can have good or bad experiences, just like meeting terrifying or beautiful entities on dmt. It proves nothing about the gnostic worldview.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:04:57 2020 No.15896490 >>15896428 For example, the material world being a prison to extract energy from humans.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:06:33 2020 No.15896507 >>15896085 just know that the one who you meet on the other side. that is not god. they are the archons. you know how you know they are evil? they do not correct you.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:07:33 2020 No.15896514

>>15896490
What the fuck is the point?
This seems like people projecting their unconscious human fears and archetypes like conflict, domination and such to the unknown. If there is an afterlife, why would it be encumbered with the same shitty problems we have here in the material plane?
Why not envision something bigger?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:08:40 2020 No.15896530 What do I read to learn about this all stuff? Archons and demiurge and the one shit. The principle of "one"actually seems kind of credible, but archons and demiurge doesnt sound like something a philosopher would write about. So, what do I read?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:09:52 2020 No.15896538 >>15896514 But there is something bigger. There are many layers to it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:10:24 2020 No.15896545 >>15896514 Yeah it sounds to SFy to me. I can believe there are higher forces and maybe a demiurge, ok, but a plan to extract our energy... But I want to take the pill, Im open to it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:11:29 2020 No.15896555 >>15896545 >Yeah it sounds to SFy to me. That's because science fiction has borrowed from Gnosticism rather than the other way around.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:12:37 2020 No.15896560 Daily reminder to practice astral projection so that when you die and transition into the non-physical realm you don't trash around in confusion until your soul extinguishes because you're unfamiliar with the experience.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:12:59 2020 No.15896565 >>15896538 >there is something bigger This thing about archons extracting your energy is just so narrow in scope and boring. If that's really the afterlife, I'm underwhelmed. What are the other layers?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:14:01 2020 No.15896574 >>15896560 It makes no sense that only a handful of people initiated through AP would have the means to make it in the afterlife.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:15:09 2020 No.15896584 >>15896565 Same, sounds boring.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:16:41 2020 No.15896597 >>15896584 My entirely baseless belief is: whatever comes after, it is so much larger and all-encompassing than whatever we can imagine with our material means of observation that no worldly theory will hold a candle to it. Maybe I'm wrong though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:24:58 2020 No.15896656 >>15896574 It makes total sense. Experience is what matters. You can't pass a math test if you don't study.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:27:22 2020 No.15896672 >>15896574 It's not about what makes sense, it's about how things work.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:30:20 2020 No.15896690

>>15896597
It's like when you wake up from a dream, and your consciousness expands, so to speak. Haven't you had dreams where you thought everything was normal inside the dream, but as soon as you wake up, you think "what the fuck, how did I not realize I was dreaming? How was my thought process so narrow and impaired?"
I'm thinking it's the same when you die. You "wake up" to a more complete form of consciousness.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:31:23 2020 No.15896699

>>15896656
>billions of people don't pass and tens of billions more didn't pass in the past because they didn't do some autistic form of meditation that's only started getting traction in modern times thanks to the internet
>>15896672
How would you know how things work?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:34:58 2020 No.15896732 >>15896699 Yes. They get reincarnated until they learn how to deal with it, one way or the other. And AP has existed all throughout history by different names. Enlightenment is real.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:35:29 2020 No.15896738 >>15896732 >They get reincarnated until they learn how to deal with it, For what purpose?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:38:38 2020 No.15896766 >>15896738 Farming. Weak, inexperienced souls are cattle for the Demiurge. Only experienced and enlightened souls can manage to overcome that reach the One.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:38:40 2020 No.15896767 >>15896530 >What do I read to learn about this all stuff? You don't, it's stupid. Look no further than Plato (who coined the term demiurge) and Plotinus, don't get started with the Gnostic shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:40:00 2020 No.15896775 >>15896766 >Farming. Weak, inexperienced souls are cattle for the Demiurge. Only experienced and enlightened souls can manage to overcome that reach the One. For what purpose?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:41:52 2020 No.15896789 >>15896775 To sustain himself and his archons. They aren't as strong and eternal as the One.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:41:57 2020 No.15896790 How do you astral project?

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:44:54 2020 No.15896816

>>15896789
I was going to keep asking why but gnostic cosmology is about as fucking boring as modern capeshit so I'll leave it at that.
All those esoteric philosophies to learn about, and you had to choose the blandest one.
For argument's sake though, where do you get all this from? What makes you so sure that the system you're describing is how shit actually runs? Who's to say all the "evidence" you got from AP, NDEs and whatnot isn't as meaningless as a DMT trip, or who's to say it isn't a trick or red herring even?

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:45:17 2020 No.15896822

>>15896767
It's the most kino mythology of all time. Only Christians are scared of it because they're aware that their tales have become boring for most people. I even wrote a long YouTube comment in a Catholic priest's anti-Gnostic video where I basically BTFO'd Christianity so bad that he deleted my comment kek. Wrote it when I was drunk and angry, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:46:00 2020 No.15896826 >>15896822 >dude we're in the matrix, we were oneness and shieet Kino indeed

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:48:22 2020 No.15896846 >gnostic larpers have invaded the thread I guess there goes any hopes of interesting discussion

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:50:48 2020 No.15896867

>>15896085
>it didn't feel evil

How can you know though? People get tricked or willingly enter into "evil" things all the time, Nazi Germany didn't "feel" evil for all the Germans who willingly supported it, Scientologists recruit you by being nice to you and telling you all these great things, so people enter "evil" cults like that all the time. Besides maybe the harvester/demiurge or whatever doesn't see itself as evil, does a farmer hate his livestock? Do the livestock think the farmer feels evil? Besides, it would be a pretty terrible system if it seemed evil, no one would fall for it.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:52:58 2020 No.15896885

>>15896816
Gnosticism is the most kino mythology once you get into actually learning about it. Pretty much every other cosmology is boring in comparison. Care to mention a better one? It ties everything together along with holofractal theory and AP. I can't wait to see the developments in the future now that it's getting more known.
>>15896826
The Matrix is actually anti-Gnostic and a false awakening. It's the bugman version of Gnosticism. They wake up from the digital world into the material world (which is where we're at right now). There isn't anything beyond that

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:53:09 2020 No.15896889 >>15896822 Nah it sounds like a 16 year old writing fantasy. Its boring. philosophy, metaphysics, theology, thats exciting. This shit isn't

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:54:29 2020 No.15896899

>>15896867
>thinking Nazism was evil
Anon, hitler was trying to save the world fighting directly against the archons. He was so close to usher the golden age but the evil at last triumphed. We are literally living in the corpse of the world as the result of hitler's suicide.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 15:56:22 2020 No.15896915 >>15896889 This is all those three depending on what you read. Christianity is also fantasy, as is Hinduism and Judaism. You only dislike it because many works of fiction have borrowed from it and you think that makes it ridiculous.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:09:44 2020 No.15897023
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>>15896885
Gnosticism is the actual bugman ideology.
It's trite and generic both in its content and presentation, and draws upon archetypal concepts of good and evil that it sticks onto Platonism in an attempt to seem novel and original.
Gnosticism is a soulless and unimaginative philosophy which has been utterly blown the fuck out by Plotinus a very long time ago and which is currently only studied by historians because it is utterly worthless as an ideology, let alone as a religion.
Yes, numerous works of fiction have borrowed from Gnostic cosmology because if there's one thing Gnosticism does well, it's lending itself to the vacuous pseud sci-fi garbage that Hollywood has been vehemently shitting out for decades.
There is nothing to be found in Gnostic ideas. Anything valuable is drawn straight from Plato's writings, everything else sucks.
You're not even a Gnostic, anyway. The last Gnostics, save for that one sect in Iran which you can never be a part of, disappeared when gnosis failed to be transmitted from the alleged "pneumatic" ascended masters to their followers. Gnosticism is dead, but it was never really alive anyway.
>>15896915
>You only dislike it because [...]
This is called projection. None of the people you've replied to have stated their religion or lack thereof so far.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:12:14 2020 No.15897041 >>15897023 >save for that one sect in Iran which you can never be a part of Do you mean Manichaeism? I thought they were wiped out long ago.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:12:29 2020 No.15897043 >>15896915 Dude, just consider all that archon, pleroma and Yaldabaoth bullshit and then read >>15896690. Gnosticism has none of that, it reads like a continuation of material struggles after death. It's just not very interesting.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:13:05 2020 No.15897050

Demiurge and his cronies are real and they harvest emotional energy, positive emotional energy must be more sought after because in many NDE accounts people are told that it's worse to think unloving thoughts about another than it is to take unloving action unto another. Why would this be? Thoughts are in your head, no one sees your thoughts and no one is affected by them, so how could thoughts be worse than physical violence? There is no real reason they just want you to think a particular type of thought (one which produces positive emotional energy) cause that's what they harvest from you.

Source:there is none cause I'm just making shit up I don't actually know shit about shit

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:13:15 2020 No.15897053

>>15896699
You're appealing to emotion. So what billions of people fade into nothingness? Thousands of ants die every time some kid with a stick decides to mess around with an anthill -existence doesn't care. And projection of the non-physical body isn't some new-age thing, it features in virtually every legitimate esoteric tradition including the ones going back thousands of years.
>How would you know how things work?
I won't pretend to know anything for certain; however, there are certain motifs that regularly feature across esoteric traditions (or exoteric ones for that matter). Immortality (although it's not always explicitly called so) and passing properly into the afterlife is the aim of many religious and mystical traditions -some are more explicit about it than others, but it's all there. The idea that we're all eternal souls and everybody gets to go to the eternal bliss place no questions asked -that's the New Age bullshit.
More than that if you put in the practice, you can confirm these things for yourself. If you ever find yourself in the non-physical realm proper (not the pseudo-dream state that many New Agers find themselves in) you will see for yourself that the recently deceased are not having a good time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:13:31 2020 No.15897056 >>15897041 No, the mandaeans.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:18:46 2020 No.15897084 >>15897053 holy BASED

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:18:46 2020 No.15897085

>>15897053
>fearmongering and baseless assumptions: the post
Gnosticism is a cancer for the mind.
No, the traditions you're referring to say nothing to corroborate Gnostic retardation.
>you will see for yourself that the recently deceased are not having a good time.
ooh spooky

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:21:50 2020 No.15897099 >>15893066 o9a?

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:22:19 2020 No.15897102

>>15897050
>>15897053
You people are stuck in your own minds
Take a fucking step back and observe all that shit you've been posting. Really, do you honestly think this is all reality is about? Some kind of astral chicken run ripoff where you need to escape le ebil demiurge and his cronies so you can reunite with the one (which is all-encompassing and infinitely good but also emanated evil and the demiurge for some reason)?
Seriously, take a step back and ask yourself if this shit is really what you want to believe in and work towards. I almost fell for the larp a few years ago but now I realize how completely ridiculous it really is and I sincerelly hope you will too

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:23:01 2020 No.15897109 File: 205 KB, 640x360, cjvy30nzqgb51.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15897023 cope

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:23:48 2020 No.15897117 >>15897109 Deep down, we both know I'm right. No amount of pretending to be smug by posting frog pictures will change that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:24:58 2020 No.15897125 Gnosticism really is the new fedora atheism, bunch of autists latch onto it because it's kind of edgy and transgressive and pat each other on the back for being epic pneumatics and totally not hylic slaves (>>15897084)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:24:59 2020 No.15897127 >>15896732 >And AP has existed all throughout history by different names. The only things I've heard about AP are the new age bullshit and some obscure indian stuff. Did it exist through out Europe? If so in what form?

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:26:17 2020 No.15897139

>>15897085
I said nothing about Gnosticism, nor do I believe in reincarnation for that matter.
>ooh spooky
Nothing spooky about it, it just is what is.
>>15897102
Again, I've said absolutely nothing about Gnosticism, or expressed any sort of Matrix-esque energy farming nonsense. Exercise some reading discernment.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:27:21 2020 No.15897144 >>15897127 Europeans were barbarians and motherfuckers for the most part. It's mostly the East that it's enlightened.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:27:43 2020 No.15897147 >>15897139 >it's another new ager with an irrelevant belief system he patched together from misinterpretations of esoteric religions Please do explain what you believe in, ascended master

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:28:42 2020 No.15897158 >>15897144 cringe

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:31:10 2020 No.15897179

Okay disregarding the gnostic autism that has flared up ITT, can someone who doesn't have asperger's address >>15896690 constructively? It seems interesting to think along the lines of this existence being a transitory dream state of sorts but I don't want to fall into the new age trap either.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:33:32 2020 No.15897189

>>15897053
>the non-physical realm proper (not the pseudo-dream state that many New Agers find themselves in) you will see for yourself
That's not proof of anything.
There is no proof at all that stuff like AP isn't just delusions induced by the brain.
Nobody has any clue at all what the afterlife is, and that is the only fact

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:33:33 2020 No.15897191 >>15897158 It's just the truth. While Europeans were jacking off to horse-fucking Loki or whatever, Easterners were journeying the astral plane in seach for answers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:34:40 2020 No.15897202 >>15897179 Gnosticism isn't New Age. You're thinking neo-Gnosticism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:36:02 2020 No.15897213 >>15897202 Whatever, that's not what I asked, I don't care about gnosticism

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:37:26 2020 No.15897230 >>15897213 Then you don't care about the truth, silly hylic.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:38:54 2020 No.15897242

>>15897147
It's very simple my butthurt friend. I simply maintain that consciousness doesn't immediately disappear upon death, but it will eventually if certain preparations aren't met while still living. This is in line with certain beliefs about the afterlife in various traditions, certain occult literature and my own personal experience. Very simple.
>>15897189
Put in a bit of practice and you can verify it for yourself. Stop waiting for guys in lab coats to tell you what is real.
>Nobody has any clue at all what the afterlife is, and that is the only fact
I'll hedge my bets.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:43:02 2020 No.15897284 File: 29 KB, 300x300, 23232321312.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15897242 BASED

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:57:17 2020 No.15897428 >>15897179 So, anyone who isn't retarded?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 16:58:31 2020 No.15897439 >>15897242 >certain beliefs about the afterlife in various traditions, certain occult literature and my own personal experience. All of which are baseless :^) >lab coats >thinking anyone who disagrees with you is a materialist Oh boy

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 17:00:17 2020 No.15897448 >>15897242 >certain preparations What are they? >>15897428 It seems as plausible as anything else but I don't think that idea has ever been explored by philosophers or religions. Someone feel free to tell me if I'm wrong

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 17:23:45 2020 No.15897618

>>15896790
Start with lucid dreaming first, as AP is largely a step beyond that. Keep a dream journal. Make a habit of doing reality checks before you go to bed. Also learn how to induce lucid dreams with meditation. If you do this consistently, you will be lucid dreaming within a few weeks.

Hardmode would be something like a total fast and a few weeks in silent darkness, but you'd probably freak out without prior experience of these kinds of things.
>>15897179
Approaching this from the standpoint of the Platonic forms is the way I have been trying to look at it. You "wake up" because your ordinary consciousness operates at a very fine degree of granularity, localized in spacetime according to the principium individuationis. When you die, these forms are abolished. You no longer have reason and language to function as a compression algorithm for reality, and the white light stops getting filtered out. Schopenhauer explained it better in the aesthetics chapter of The World as Will and Representation, but he didn't realize his notion of transcendending to the more abstract and less particular Platonic forms could be extended far beyond appreciation of art.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 17:26:11 2020 No.15897640 File: 66 KB, 1000x1000, bug zappers.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] except instead of mosquitoes its your soul

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 17:37:18 2020 No.15897722 File: 215 KB, 2412x1995, Gnostic Cosmology.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15897023 Valentinianism is less cring than sethianism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 17:38:00 2020 No.15897729 >>15893319 That's literally what a-gnostic means, the opposite of gnostic.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 17:40:09 2020 No.15897752

>>15897109
my favorite pleb filter is when self-professed "gnostics" include Catholics, who spend their whole lives worshiping the Gnostic savior Christ and following his teachings, as somehow against Gnosticism at a fundamental level. Catholic laity who sincerely follow the faith are closer to gnosis than internet edgelords.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 17:40:55 2020 No.15897755 >>15897618 >not lucid dreaming first try with a simple intention >respecting schop never gonna pneumatic

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:03:33 2020 No.15897961

>>15897618
>Approaching this from the standpoint of the Platonic forms
Yes that's what I thought of as well but what you're talking about implies a kind of annihilation of the self through transcendence, whereas I'm talking about a hypothetical higher self. In that case, the act of waking up (through death) would imply an expansion of the self, or of consciousness, into a higher realm, rather than a return to "oneness".
Generally speaking I don't think too many monotheistic religions entertain the idea of the afterlife not being a return to monadic oneness, but instead a simple expansion of consciousness into a nondescript higher realm of existence (higher does not imply final or all encompassing).
I seem to recall "existence is a dream" as a quote from a thinker (probably eastern) but I can't pinpoint it. Either way I used to look at it metaphorically, but lately I've been wondering if it shouldn't be taken in the most literal sense. Not to the point of solipsism, but the idea that this life is more of a dreamlike "in between" state that eventually ends.
I enjoy playing around with this idea mostly because there is no assumption of judgment, inherent meaning in this existence, or any promise of an ultimate truth to be found beyond; just awakening. Though I can see why that very thing would be incompatible with religious dogma.
What do you think?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:05:05 2020 No.15897977 >>15897722 These complex cosmogonies bother me. Why should things be that way and not another way?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:07:43 2020 No.15898001 >193 posts in >nobody has actually addressed OP's issue which was to dispel his existential anxieties regarding all that neo-gnostic stuff being thrown around on the Internet lately Just bringing it up because I'm worried too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:19:11 2020 No.15898083 >>15898001 Why dispel? You're on the cusp.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:19:52 2020 No.15898089 >>15898083 No, it's clearly bullshit, but it's the parasitic kind of bullshit you can't help but think about

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:20:42 2020 No.15898099

>>15897752
Christ is Gnostic but the Old Testament isn't, and YHWH is likely the Demiurge. Both of which Catholics worship. There was literally no reason for the Bible to include the OT. As long as so-called Christians worship the OT, they're only half-Christians for the only Christian part of the Bible is the NT.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:21:47 2020 No.15898105 >>15898089 Just accept it. Mainstream Christianity has died. Christian Gnosticism is what's in.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:24:52 2020 No.15898125 >>15898089 > you can't help but think about Yes but why is that? All of the other goofy memes can be brushed aside but there is just something about this one.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:26:28 2020 No.15898134

>>15898105
I don't care for either
I have never felt drawn to Christianity and I don't feel drawn to the weird gnostic shit either at all.
It's just that the whole light is a trap thing is stressful. I don't really buy it, but if it turns out to be true, it's gonna be such a hassle.
>>15898125
Nah there's nothing about it, it's just a shitty but pernicious meme, like Roko's basilisk.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:27:28 2020 No.15898146 >>15898125 Because you know it's strong and ever growing. It's like Christianity in its beginnings. Same metaphyiscal strength. The 21st century will be the Gnostic century. Buckle up, we're only starting.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:28:32 2020 No.15898154 >>15898134 Gnosticism is ancient, not a recent meme. It's only now getting the attention it deserves and that's a good thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:29:01 2020 No.15898156 >>15898146 Imagine believing this Putting Spurdo's head on a snake's body and making threads on /x/ isn't going to bring back a dead religion from 200 AD

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:29:58 2020 No.15898164 >>15898134 >It's just that the whole light is a trap thing is stressful. I don't really buy it, but if it turns out to be true, it's gonna be such a hassle. Lots of people have experienced it. There's probably some truth to it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:30:05 2020 No.15898165 >>15898154 Yeah but I don't care about that. I think it's dumb and I'm not interested in it, which is why the light thing bothers me

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:31:07 2020 No.15898171 >>15898154 Nobody outside of /lit/ and /x/ gives a flying fuck about gnosticism, don't be delusional.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:32:01 2020 No.15898176

>>15898156
That Gnosticism, eh? That Gnosticism, it just won't go away. It might hibernate from time to time, and sink back into the swamp. I think the cyclical nature of the universe in which it exists demands it adheres to some of its rules.

But it's always waiting there, just around the corner. Ready to make its way back through the sludge and smash through the glass ceiling, looking better than ever. Yeah, that Gnosticism, it seems like it's faded away sometimes, but it will never die. And there's nothing you can do about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:32:10 2020 No.15898178 >>15898164 Lots of people have experienced machine elves too People are quick to give credence to shit that may not mean anything

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:33:14 2020 No.15898187 >>15898176 Ok

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:34:16 2020 No.15898192 >>15897961 >existence is a dream Imagine. You die here, full of emotions, fears, maybe regrets, thousands of memories... And you just wake up, while the relief of "it was just a dream" washes all over you. It would be weird.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:34:24 2020 No.15898195 >>15898171 It's growing in many Reddit communities. Check again. >>15898165 I don't understand your concern. Are you afraid of that being true?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:35:38 2020 No.15898203 >>15898195 >many Reddit communities Is that supposed to give it credence?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:35:40 2020 No.15898204 >>15898165 >I think it's dumb and I'm not interested in it you keep saying this anon. but here you are on a saturday several hours later repeating this. who are you trying to convince? more importantly, when you find out its true, what will you do?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:36:22 2020 No.15898209 >>15898178 But that shit you mention is thanks to hallucinogenic drugs. Meanwhile the light thing happens naturally when people are about to die.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:38:01 2020 No.15898220 >>15898203 It's supposed to give credence of its growth, yes. It's not some obscure believe anymore like you're saying. It's a blooming seed.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:38:04 2020 No.15898221

>>15898195
>Are you afraid of that being true?
If it were true I'd be incredibly disappointed because it's a really dumb and boring concept but yeah, I guess I don't want to have to worry about even more shit after I die. When I die I want to leave my worldly concerns behind, not have to make an escape plan so some lion-headed snake faggot doesn't recycle me into the moon or whatever the fuck you people believe
I think I'm more scared of it being true because it's so mundane and lame though

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:39:50 2020 No.15898227

>>15898209
>endogenous compounds don't exist
>>15898204
>when
Stop making false assumptions. And stop being a condescending faggot, it doesn't make you cool
It's one of these "I don't actually believe it but it still stresses me out" things. Exactly like Roko's basilisk. I grew out of that one so it'll probably be the same for this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:40:54 2020 No.15898237 >>15898220 Many dumb things have been "blooming seeds" in the past, m8

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:42:14 2020 No.15898247

>>15898221
It might seem boring and bland but once you're there, experiencing it first hand, it's beyond fascinating. It's like becoming a father. It sounds like boring shit but once you're holding that creature you've created, it's a wonderful experience incomparable to anything else. There's more to this than just soulless information and raw data. There's emotion and spirit that you can only experience it on your own.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:42:22 2020 No.15898249 >it's another "dumb humans with their five senses and limited rational minds think they can conjecture what happens after death" episode

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:44:12 2020 No.15898260 >>15898237 Yes, but now you're moving the goal posts, lad.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:44:36 2020 No.15898262

>>15898247
Sorry man it still sounds lame. I want an afterlife that is utterly exhilarating and ineffable in scope and nature, not another run of the mill good versus bad cosmogony with evil aliens who make you reincarnate.
If I leave the material plane I want to be gone for good, this whole prison thing is shit writing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:46:02 2020 No.15898269 >>15898260 I'll move the goal posts if I want, bub You're excited because gnosticism is making a "comeback" in niche internet communities but I guarantee it won't gain much traction outside of its pop culture bastardization i.e. the simulation theory

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:46:40 2020 No.15898275 >>15893066 The light after death is Brahma

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:46:44 2020 No.15898276 >>15898262 Work for it then. You zoomers want things to happen automatically without putting up the work. If you want to transcend and save your soul you should look into AP and meditation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:48:20 2020 No.15898285 >>15898276 And what comes after, the ever-boring concept of ultimate oneness? Fuck that too. There's no imagination in any of that shit. >you should You don't actually know though, remember that.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:49:40 2020 No.15898297

>>15898269
They're already doing Hollywood flicks based on some pseudo-Gnostic and AP themes. Doctor Sleep and Pixar's Soul. There are many YouTube videos talking about this. Teaching people how to do it and what is it. These are ideas that are in the air right now. Like I said, this century will be the Gnostic century. The sooner you accept it, the better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:50:46 2020 No.15898298 >>15898297 >The sooner you accept it Nah fuck off. Don't force your dumb shit down people's throats.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:51:30 2020 No.15898304 >>15898285 What kind of afterlife would you like, imaginative man? Surprise me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:53:14 2020 No.15898319 >>15898298 It's happening whether you like it or not. Adapt or die.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:54:18 2020 No.15898328

>>15898304
One of infinite possibility and uncertainty, not limited by trite manmade concepts and ideas but instead transcending logic and archetypes.
>dude when you die all the shit we figured out on Earth still translates perfectly to whatever's above
How soulless and mind-numbingly boring. How can you be satisfied with something so mundane?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:55:45 2020 No.15898341 >>15898319 kek I will laugh my ass off when your dumb shit becomes the slightest bit mainstream and gets immediately and violently shut down just like Plotinus did two millennia ago.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 18:58:59 2020 No.15898374

>>15893066
Putting faith in NDEs is kinda dumb because
1. People who have had NDEs have never actually been truly dead
2. People who have had NDEs have therefore been under the influence of whichever neurochemicals flared up during a traumatic event
3. NDEs actually aren't that homogeneous, most accounts vary wildly, the light is present in most of them but could also be chalked up to the collective unconscious and to suggestion
4. Dualism is dumb

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:00:23 2020 No.15898385 >>15898374 >1. People who have had NDEs have never actually been truly dead That's why they're called near death experiences, and not "I was actually dead lol" experiences.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:01:25 2020 No.15898395 >>15898385 That's why anyone who thinks NDEs actually reflect what happens after death is deluded or stupid

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:04:00 2020 No.15898408 >>15898341 Christianity has also been "refuted" many times yet it still managed to survive. Meme opinions from angry contrarians don't really matter when the metaphysical forces are strong enough to survive them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:06:56 2020 No.15898432 >>15898408 >Christianity has also been "refuted" Not really, and never with the same violence with which Plotinus utterly annihilated Gnostics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:08:00 2020 No.15898440 >>15898408 Funny you'd use the word contrarian when that's basically what gnosticism can be summed up as

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:10:48 2020 No.15898466

>>15898432
>Not really
Yes, really. Countless times even.
>nd never with the same violence with which Plotinus utterly annihilated Gnostics.
With a much superior intensity even. If you can "refute" Gnosticism, you can absolutely "refute" Christianity, probably with an easier difficulty, since Christianity is an open book.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:11:51 2020 No.15898473 >>15898440 Gnosticism predates Christianity. Christians are the contrarians.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:13:46 2020 No.15898491

>>15898285
>>And what comes after, the ever-boring concept of ultimate oneness? Fuck that too.
If you ever had a real nondual experience, you would know it is the least boring experience you can have. But because you have not, you can only judge from your sterile conceptualizations of it. Don't believe me? Go on a silent darkness retreat for 21 days, and then come back and tell us how boring oneness is.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:13:48 2020 No.15898492

>>15898466
All these claims, no sources.
Whatever, I'm not interested in discussing this with you since both Christianity and Gnosticism depress me
>>15898473
Stop making shit up. Gnosticism can be traced back to ~150 AD at the very earliest. Anything else is Platonist influenced thinking that isn't actually gnosticism
Anyways see above

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:17:00 2020 No.15898524 >>15897125 Neo 4chan Christianity is a million times more cringe than reddit atheism or gnosticism

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:17:37 2020 No.15898527 >>15895378 Retard Alert

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:20:52 2020 No.15898557

>>15898491
>dude I have totally experienced oneness, that's why I'm arguing on 4chan's Harry Potter board about neo-gnostic larping on a Saturday night
And yes, it's boring. "Meditate to break free from the flesh prison and you'll be allowed to be one with the monad for eternity" is very generic and not particularly appealing, to me at least.
All shitposting aside, I jjust can't buy into any kind of religion. It doesn't click for me. I find this new strain of gnosticism to be pernicious because it preys on the fear of reincarnation and the fear of losing yourself, and I don't like that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:21:03 2020 No.15898559 >>15897125 how is it edgy? being a good person so a giant spurdo demon doesnt force you to reincarnate in a time loop doesnt strike me as something particularly subversive.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:21:42 2020 No.15898565 >>15898557 But have you try it? You seem very judgmental without actually trying anything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:22:23 2020 No.15898571 >>15898559 >being a good person Nothing to do with gnosticism, which is about gnosis (transmitted from teacher to student I might add; not attainable by itself)

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:27:24 2020 No.15898604

>>15898565
Tried what? I can't exactly become one with the universe on a whim, and I don't do drugs. I like meditating, but not for attaining any kind of higher spiritual state.
I don't agree with the idea that the loss of the ego is a good thing to strive towards. Why should life necessarily culminate in the annihilation of the self? I like being. For my being to change with time is an inevitability, but the spark of individuality inherent to my existence is something I like having and would like to keep. I don't see how it's so noble and enlightened to seek to destroy that spark.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:33:06 2020 No.15898650 >>I like meditating, but not for attaining any kind of higher spiritual state Then what the fuck is your purpose? To just sit there?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:34:30 2020 No.15898662 >>15898650 Just for "muh stress." Typical McMindfulness shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:34:48 2020 No.15898665 >>15898650 It relaxes me. Helps a lot with concentration too. >you must have a higher spiritual cause in mind every time you do something Sounds stressful.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:35:09 2020 No.15898671 >>And yes, it's boring You say this so confidently, yet it is apparent you have never had any experience of the kind you criticize. He who speaks does not know.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:36:05 2020 No.15898679 >>15898662 The eternal /lit/ pseud, disdainful towards everything that doesn't help him feel validated and above the plebs. A sad existence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:37:16 2020 No.15898691 >>15898671 And you have? If so, why are you here, boddhistava anon? It's boring in principle, which is sufficient. I trust my intuition entirely.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:38:56 2020 No.15898708 >>15898650 >he doesn't like just sitting there Imagine being such an NPC you need to constantly be doing something to feel alive

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:39:49 2020 No.15898711 >>15898679 Sounds like you're projecting, lad. Meditation without any notion of actual trascendence is peak pseud. Just a burgerized Eastern practice.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:40:52 2020 No.15898722 >>15898708 Nice strawman.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:42:06 2020 No.15898730 >>15898722 thanks

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:42:26 2020 No.15898733

Reminder that none of you have the slightest, tiniest clue what (if anything) happens when you die. Your endless debates and hypotheses are useless and lead nowhere.
>but t-
No. No exceptions, no buts.
You do not know, and you will never know until the very moment you draw your last breath.
Now go outside you fucking nerds.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:45:11 2020 No.15898751

>>15898711
>projecting
I'm not the one claiming people should have a spiritual goal in mind when they sit down and do nothing, pseud.
I'm not a burger and I don't care about eastern culture. You sound impressionable.
>>15898722
>stop using logical fallacies!
No.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:45:47 2020 No.15898758

>>And you have?
Yes.
>>why are you here, boddhistava anon?
Because I like to read books.
>>It's boring in principle, which is sufficient
I won't argue my case any further. I only hope that you open yourself up to more experiences and realize all the amazing things you are missing. There's lots of room on my side of the fence. You don't have to be a Gnostic or believe any weirdness, read Sam Harris if that suits you better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:49:20 2020 No.15898781 File: 196 KB, 738x1163, 713hiSjbfLL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15898751 McMindfulness was BTFO already, mate. You're just a bugman pseud who "meditates" yet doesn't. understand the very purpose of that.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:51:57 2020 No.15898804

>>15898781
Note that I never mentioned mindfulness even once and you were the one who brought it up, insecure brainlet.
>bugman pseud
Ironic for someone so desperate to fit in
I do things because I want to do them and don't seek the approval of my fellow /lit/ midwits. You should try it!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:53:25 2020 No.15898814 >>15898758 What comes after oneness? Nothing, it's just that. I don't see the point. Good for you if you found your thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:11:25 2020 No.15898946 >>15893066 Are we even sure there's a light after death? People see a light during NDEs (or PBEs but who trusts that shit?) but that doesn't seem to be conclusive evidence.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:12:15 2020 No.15898953

>>15898814
Eternal life.
>>15898804
You meditate without purpose. Just because it feels good. That's mindfulness. I also couldn't give a shit about /lit/. Most people here hate Eastern religious things. If anything, I'm going against the grain. You must be a newfag.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:19:00 2020 No.15898993 >>15898953 I would bet money that I've been here longer than you. Not everyone who disagrees with you is new, newfaggot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:20:27 2020 No.15899005 >>15893066 read Kant

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 21:08:08 2020 No.15899382 >>15893817 i'm fit and i have been practicing brazilian jiu jitsu for 7 years. come at me

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 21:14:02 2020 No.15899426 >>15895396 what the absolute fuck....

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