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Jesus Christ. Why are Rene Guénon and Evola such windbags?
They aren't even trying to be poetic, they just draw out their damn points for pages.
I could sum up the entirity of The Reign of Quantity, look
"By Quality and Quantity, I basically mean immaterial and material. Modern society, with it's Scientism and Social Progressivism has put such an amount of emphasis on the material that it's almost the apocalypse. We need to focus on Metaphysical Concepts nao."

I would understand if they were trying to be poetic. I would understand if they're trying to tell a story along with it. But they're just drawing out their sentences like a lazy college student trying to write an essay.

>> No.15845228

>>15845211
philosophy is just autism over defining words and having certain words in italics because they are untranslatable a shiet, most of it isn't very useful

>> No.15845249

>>15845211
Guenon is unironically the most boring writer I've ever read for exactly this reason. It takes him SO fucking long to say anything and he constantly is going off on tangents about how some contemporary of his is an idiot and doesn't understand something and he knows everything but this isn't the time or place to explain and it just never ends.

The actual quality of his French is fine but jesus christ

>> No.15845257

>>15845211
Perhaps, but there are some interesting chapters like the Degeneration of Coinage, Cracks in the Great Wall, and Cain and Abel.

>> No.15845261

Is this copypasta?

>> No.15845272

>>15845211
you should try reading bataille kek

>> No.15845288

>>15845211
I read Guenon and Evola like I read Lovecraftian horror fiction.

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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/07/the-strange-origins-of-steve-bannons-nationalist-fantasia

>> No.15845297

>>15845211
>t. filtered by long sentences
shiggy

>> No.15845339

>>15845288
Hopefully not at all.

>> No.15845366

>>15845288
you use their ideas without reading the source material?

>> No.15845377

>>15845366
In Guenon's case, it's not really related to source material.

>> No.15845380

Because rightwing thought tends to be fairly vapid and heavily reliant on intuition.

When right wing thinkers write succinctly this becomes obvious and unpalatable to readers.

>> No.15845393

>>15845380
1/10

>> No.15845425

>>15845393
>bannon

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>>15845211
>But they're just drawing out their sentences like a lazy college student trying to write an essay.
Think again hylic


>René Guénon defies classification. . . . Were he anything less than a consummate master of lucid argument and forceful expression, his work would certainly be unknown to all but a small, private circle of admirers.”
—Gai Eaton, author of The Richest Vein

>“Guénon established the language of sacred metaphysics with a rigor, a breadth, and an intrinsic certainty such that he compels recognition as a standard of comparison for the twentieth century.”
—Jean Borella, author of Guénonian Esoterism and Christian Mystery

>“To a materialistic society enthralled with the phenomenal universe exclusively, Guénon, taking the Vedanta as point of departure, revealed a metaphysical and cosmological teaching both macrocosmic and microcosmic about the hierarchized degrees of being or states of existence, starting with the Absolute . . . and terminating with our sphere of gross manifestation.”
—Whitall N. Perry, editor of A Treasury of Traditional Wisdom

>“René Guénon was the chief influence in the formation of my own intellectual outlook (quite apart from the question of Orthodox Christianity). . . . It was René Guénon who taught me to seek and love the truth above all else, and to be unsatisfied with anything else.”
—Fr. Seraphim Rose, author of The Soul After Death

>“His mixture of arcane learning, metaphysics, and scathing cultural commentary is a continent in itself, untouched by the polluted tides of modernity. . . . Guénon’s work will not save the world—it is too late for that—but it leaves no reader unchanged.”
—Jocelyn Godwin, author of Mystery Religions in the Ancient World

>“René Guénon is one of the few writers of our time whose work is really of importance. . . . He stands for the primacy of pure metaphysics over all other forms of knowledge, and presents himself as the exponent of a major tradition of thought, predominantly Eastern, but shared in the Middle Ages by the . . . West.”
—Walter Shewring, translator of Homer’s Odyssey

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>“In a world increasingly rife with heresy and pseudo-religion, Guénon had to remind twentieth century man of the need for orthodoxy, which presupposes firstly a Divine Revelation and secondly a Tradition that has handed down with fidelity what Heaven has revealed. He thus restores to orthodoxy its true meaning, rectitude of opinion which compels the intelligent man not only to reject heresy but also to recognize the validity of faiths other than his own if they also are based on the same two principles, Revelation and Tradition.”
—Martin Lings, author of Ancient Beliefs and Modern Superstitions

>“If during the last century or so there has been even some slight revival of awareness in the Western world of what is meant by metaphysics and metaphysical tradition, the credit for it must go above all to Guénon. At a time when the confusion into which modern Western thought had fallen was such that it threatened to obliterate the few remaining traces of genuine spiritual knowledge from the minds and hearts of his contemporaries, Guénon, virtually single-handed, took it upon himself to reaffirm the values and principles which, he recognized, constitute the only sound basis for the living of a human life with dignity and purpose or for the formation of a civilization worthy of the name.”
—Philip Sherrard, author of Christianity: Lineaments of a Sacred Tradition

>“Apart from his amazing flair for expounding pure metaphysical doctrine and his critical acuteness when dealing with the errors of the modern world, Guénon displayed a remarkable insight into things of a cosmological order. . . . He all along stressed the need, side by side with a theoretical grasp of any given doctrine, for its concrete—one can also say its ontological—realization failing which one cannot properly speak of knowledge.”
—Marco Pallis, author of A Buddhist Spectrum

>“Guénon’s mission was two-fold: to reveal the metaphysical roots of the ‘crisis of the modern world’ and to explain the ideas behind the authentic and esoteric teachings that still [remain] alive.”
—Harry Oldmeadow, author of Traditionalism: Religion in the Light of the Perennial Philosophy

>> No.15845888

>>15845871
>>15845876
The only two worthwhile people in that list are the Odyssey translator and Godwin. Tge rest are Traditionalist yes men.

>> No.15845919

>>15845888
Sherrard wasn't a Traditionalist but a writer on art/aesthetics and a translator of Greek and aside from praising him he also wrote criticisms of some of Guenon's ideas in his books

>> No.15846011

>>15845249
i do always feel that there is a bit of grain of truth in what says, other than that, the connections he seems to draw between civilizations relationship with metaphysics and the conclusions that he arrives to seems quite baseless in retrospect.

>> No.15846837

>>15845211
stop reading english translations

>> No.15847139

I have to say I feel the same way about Mishima. In Sun and Steel he takes about five pages to say "Skinnyfat is disgusting so I decided to get ripped".

>> No.15847149

>>15845919
>Sherrard wasn't a Traditionalist
He wasn't a perennialist, but he was a devout ortho christian. Which is superior.

>> No.15847154

>>15845871
>>15845876
Holy based...

>> No.15847160

PSA this is bait copy pasted from another thread. On topic though, I'm about a third of the way into Introduction to the Hindu Doctrines and I'm finding it very insightful, particularly as I've actually never really understood the concept of metaphysics or religion at all.

>> No.15847570

>>15847160
You're wasting your time reading Guenon's misinterpretations.

>> No.15847598

>>15845211
That's what happens when you aren't doing material analysis, you have to have some extremely autistic framework to try to justify your bullshit.