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Should the beliefs and or political stance of authors matter regarding their work and its consumption by others.

>> No.15834867
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15834867

no

>> No.15834877

>>15834867
basé

>> No.15834878

>>15834854
No. Then again I haven't read a book demonizing redheads yet, so I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is if you can recommend some

>> No.15834888

Yes. And that's why pic >>15834867 is based.

>> No.15834993

>>15834878
>I haven't read a book demonizing redheads
Fucking unselfaware gingers.

>> No.15834999

>>15834854
Only if you want to analyze it as such. Literature, like any art, can be appreciated from a number of different lenses and perspectives. Only the weak, the stupid, and the timid believe otherwise, because they know of no other way to be.

>> No.15835030

>>15834854
But I don't think the Harry potter series or enders game is inherently about gay or trans people. So in that case, why should what the author thinks matter?

>> No.15835046

>>15835030
>why should what the author thinks matter?

Because it hurts people's feelings. That's literally it.

>> No.15835063

>>15834854
Sure, if the author is still alive and deriving benefits from the work in question, it wouldn't make sense to support their hateful views.
But should a person go to their bookshelf and throw out Plato? I don't think so.

>> No.15835083

Imagine these were your fathers favourite authors.

>> No.15835092

>>15835083
I would disown him.

>> No.15835095

>>15835083
I wish my dad read the books I bought him.

>> No.15835099

>>15834878
There's a lot of books with redhead protagonists, out of proportion to the level of ginge in real life. Maybe authors think it's a way for their character to stand out? Lately adaptations have changed them to black people for some reason.

>> No.15835101

>>15835083
lmfao this

>> No.15835103

>>15834854
Why do people care about hate at all? I'm jewish and I read all sorts of nazi shit and never feel like it affects my real life. Even if a philosopher hated jewish people fervently their ideas aren't suddenly irrelevant they can be wrong about jews and still provide useful insights that can only help my life. We will never meet, he will never put me in a gas chamber or even call me a kike, why should I care?

>> No.15835126

>>15834854
"Cancel culture" is good and I'm glad it keep you up at night

>> No.15835129

>>15835099
Are they all children's books or something because off the top of my head the only gingers I know about from books are like Ron Weasley and Menelaus.

>> No.15835141

>>15835126
Elaborate on that.

>>15835103
Based and rational

>> No.15835144

>>15834854
It is not about literature, it is about erasing thoughts and inserting different thoughts.

>> No.15835152

>>15834854
Cartoonist's arguments are specious at best.
Cringe.

>> No.15835153

>>15834854
Why is the son a shitskin?

>> No.15835160

>>15834854

Rowling has never said anything "hateful" about trans people. All you have to do to be "hateful" to them is to claim the shocking truth that they are (GASP!) different than biological women.

>> No.15835162

>>15835030
It doesn't matter. It is all about punishing people who fail to think the approved way, and to try and frighten others into obeying the thought guidelines being laid down.

>> No.15835171

>>15835153
The main character must be literally cucked, raising the cuckoo's genetics above his own and giving the benefit of his labour to the genes of another man. Talk about cringe! Almost makes me wanna puke...

>> No.15835188
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>>15835129
Good point, it is largely kid's books and comics characters.

>> No.15835202

>>15834854
>That nose
Oy vey

>> No.15835215

>>15835188
>ginger
>anagram of nigger
Holy based. And here I thought the purveyors of modern culture were cucks

>> No.15835216

>>15834854
>i can't
>why not?
>it was easy

>> No.15835228

>>15834854
>He bought the books before knowing they were problematic
>He's giving their escapist fantasy books away because having them in the house is supporting their politics, of which he was ignorant
>Politics that are entirely irrelevant to the stories he's taking issue with
How does this make sense to even the most vicious critic of these authors? I can't stand genreshit, but this is nonsensical.
>>15835126
>Couldn't even get ProJared off the internet for more than a month
The one time I had hope in your gay crusades, it didn't even work.

>> No.15835257

>>15835215
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw

>> No.15835296

>>15835141
>We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror. But the royal terrorists, the terrorists by the grace of God and the law, are in practice brutal, disdainful, and mean, in theory cowardly, secretive, and deceitful, and in both respects disreputable.
Also it's just hilarious watching reactionaries flip out about cyberbullying

>> No.15835307

>>15835228
lol who the fuck is "projared? is that some tiktok youtuber

>> No.15835317

>>15834854
Always question an author's motives.
That said it's pretty funny retards are trying to ban anything in the digital age, whack-a-mole endeavour for an overinflated govt. at the behest of the permanently offended.

>> No.15835318

>>15834854
If /lit/ actually falls for the "Rowling hates trans so she's le based edgelord now!" bullshit that /tv/ and /pol/ is spewing, I'm going to fucking lose it. Don't forget that Harry Potter is still the dullest franchise.

>> No.15835322

>>15835318
On that note, I need to get up and stretch my legs.

>> No.15835325

>>15835153
The optimist in me believes that the guy imagines himself married to a Codi Bryant-esque hot black girl. I choose to research this topic no further.

>> No.15835346

>>15834854
>4 panel comic
so uhhhh... wheres the funny?

>> No.15835374

When did the idea become prevalent that every author you read has to be someone who you agree with on everything? Nearly every 20th century author had views that were ordinary at the time but would be seen as horrifying by the Twitter puritans. Are they going to limit their reading to only the bowdlerized books of the past few years?

>> No.15835402

>>15835374
It's been something that's become the standard over the last 25 years or so, and it's unfortunate. I think a large part of it goes to relatively privileged white academics being jealous of the social outrage that their colleagues of color could express, and so they just latched on to the whole cancel culture nonsense, where they get an enormous endorphin rush and a rise out of becoming enraged at stupid things. It's addicting for them, and they push that onto their students, who then become addicted themselves and continue spreading it.

We're in for a rough ride for the next few decades, friends.

>> No.15835403

>>15835318
This. People like Rowling are super rich faggots who have nothing to lose. I don't care how based they are, even if they never flip-flopped on anything, they get the rope too.

>> No.15835412

>>15834854
No but they do add validity to their work.

>> No.15835725

>>15835083
>only author my dad has ever read is Ian Fleming
who else here /basedfamily/?

>> No.15835741

>>15835318
No it doesn't, everyone still hates Rowling for the overwhelming amount of other hateable shit she thinks, but the fact is that she's the only person in the mainstream I can name who's sticking it to tranny scum.

>> No.15836174

>>15835318
I won't go so far as to say she's a based edgelord, but I have gained a lot of respect for her. She holds her beliefs and stands by them, even in the face of an angry mob, and I hope others see her conviction and do the same

>> No.15836341

>>15835083
Imagine being a brown Hapa.

>> No.15837186

Orson Scott Card is so much a better writer than JK Rowling that the only thing that bothers me about this comic is that it lumps the two of them together in any way.

>> No.15837219

>>15835103
Based, as a Jew i constantly read authors who were fervently anti-Semitic. I just read down and out and Orwell was laughably anti-Semitic, but it's not really relevant to me reading his book.

>> No.15837360

>>15834854
Ignoring the good someone has done just because they did something wrong only hurts you.

>> No.15837368

>>15834854
No. The only time you should care about an author's political beliefs is when they're writing about them. Same goes for anything in their personal life really.

>> No.15837985

>>15834854
I honestly don't understand why people virtue signal this hard, can someone give me a quick rundown?

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>>15834854
>Something Positive got woke

>> No.15838142

>>15837985
Reduce everything down to a simple binary choice of good vs evil and it becomes easy to tell yourself "I am a good person." If you accept that things are more nuanced and complex you actually have to be a good person, not just say you are.

>> No.15838151

Do any Italians refuse to read HP Lovecraft?

>> No.15838195

>>15838142
This
Cancellers want to inhabit that moral high ground so bad, but they've never done anything worthwhile to get there

>> No.15838202

>>15834854
Of course, it's impossible for any art to not be a product of the artist. Always do your research to properly filter.

>> No.15838207

>>15838195
The right does it as well, it is ancient. I used good vs evil for a reason, religon has exploited this technique for centuries and still does.

>> No.15838234

>>15838142
Things end up as good or evil either way. Complexity and mitigating factors don't charge this, only the severity. It's an excuse to claim ignorance.

>> No.15838324

>>15838234
>fatalist bullshit
It is not an excuse to claim ignorance, it is plain and simple I AM BETTER THAN YOU.

>> No.15838380

>>15835030
Don't try to look for logic where there isn't any. These people are just looking for something to be outraged about. As if throwing away books by "problematic" authors is going to do any difference

>> No.15838403

>>15838151
He hated the Spanish too apparently.

>> No.15838532

>>15838380
It does, "cancelling" an author is equivalent to social ostracization. This is the dumbfuck enlightened centrist take, there is no doubt that cancelling works. The only question is whether you like it or not, and the only honest answer is "depends on whether I like the author".

>> No.15838542

>>15834878
> I haven't read a book demonizing redheads yet
>He hasn't read The Ginger Man
If you need political personal shit about the author, he sued Olympia Press so hard he wound up owning their entire back catalogue (Lolita, Naked Lunch, etc), and then retired to a lake side mansion to fuck young girls who like rich old men.

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>>15838542

>> No.15838817

>>15838542
Holy based. Will read

>> No.15839093

>>15834854
Not unless there writting about it in their novels.
I don't get all this virtue signaling on this comic, as if the author always held the most progressive and woke ideals, most people aren't completely pc through and through, we all hold some some rotten idea or two.
The lady donated millions to charity, doesn't that negate whatever dumb shit she did?