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Zeus Wed Jul 8 16:02:55 2020 No.15807892 [Reply] [Original]

>reading iliad
>first chapter is excellent
>second chapter is literally just a list of every leader and their father and how many ships they’ve brought to troy
>actually titled the catalogue of ships

That was almost as unrewarding as the genealogy of Abraham. Please tell me this doesn’t happen again

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:08:42 2020 No.15807927

>>15807892
if you knew something of greek
> geography
> mytho-geography
> dialects and relative distributions
> history, including mycenaean history, the supposed dorian migration and the ionian colonization of minor asia. and relative ethnography
you wouldn't havr been filtered by the catalogue.
unlike the bible, in the iliad every single letter is meaningful and decisive.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:11:13 2020 No.15807951 >2800 years old >list of ships still filters plebs

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:11:39 2020 No.15807954 >>15807892 I really didn't like the second chapter but it was fun recognizing certain people and looking at all the city states on a map

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:13:14 2020 No.15807969 >>15807927 >’read the iliad first its the greasy work of western literature’ >’oh you know nothing of greek mytho-geography, kek, filtered’ kys

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:13:51 2020 No.15807977 >>15807892 haha my pleb version didn't even have the catalogue and it was in prose get rekt faggot

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:17:02 2020 No.15807996 >>15807892 When you re-read it that part is more enjoyable. 'ma nigga Nestor is STRAPPED'. yes, i'm profane.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:17:56 2020 No.15808001 >>15807969 Yes, Myth predates Literature,

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:19:06 2020 No.15808013 >>15807892 This was more epic when a bard was reciting this aloud to fellow family and city members to while garnishing a patriotic, proud mood. It's not as epic to the modem reader unless you view it in the sense they did.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:20:02 2020 No.15808018 >>15808013 really nice way to put it into perspective, I now understand it's necessity, thanks anon!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:21:46 2020 No.15808028 >>15808018 Yeah it's like the pregame in sports when they introduce everybody to get all riled up. You don't need to memorize all the characters or study them

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:21:56 2020 No.15808029 >>15807977 I’m reading the prose version, what’s your point? Did your version just say ‘they had loads of ships’

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:22:04 2020 No.15808031

>>15807892
>>15807927
>>15807969
It's because it's meant to be performed to aristocratic warrior peers who know everyone's lineages, homelands, and deeds in detail. You, like muh Western civilisation, are not aristocratic or a warrior or a hero, and never will be.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:25:21 2020 No.15808058

>>15807969
lmao who the fuck said you to read the iliad first? the iliad is something you keep reading amd re-reading while building your knowledge of the greek culture and language. fully understanding the iliad is the privilege a few.
at school the first authors you translate are lysias, gorgias, etc. meanwhile you study greek philosophy and you apporach esiod, the lyricists and the historians. you pass through the whole canon and you keep reading the iliad for 5 years, and plato for 3 years. this is how one deals with a superior people like the ancient greeks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:28:14 2020 No.15808074 >>15808031 >>15808058 Virgin detected

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:31:00 2020 No.15808101 >>15807927 >unlike the bible, in the iliad every single letter is meaningful and decisive. Too long for you, huh? Filtered

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:31:29 2020 No.15808105
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>>15807892
I'm halfway through the Iliad right now and I have to admit, getting filtered by the catalog of ships is pathetic. It wasn't even that bad, I just started skimming it partway through. Only after I finished it did I even realize it was the catalog of ships.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:33:17 2020 No.15808120 >>15807927 >in the iliad every single letter is meaningful and decisive. Ya read it in translation pinhead

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:34:53 2020 No.15808137 Claim your husbandos, for me it's Diomedes

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:37:02 2020 No.15808158 >>15808105 >calls others filtered >skims parts of a book I hope you’re joking

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:37:19 2020 No.15808162 >>15808137 Would Diomedes be as cool without Athena's favor?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:41:30 2020 No.15808201 >>15808158 It's literally just a list of names.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:42:29 2020 No.15808213 >>15807892 yeah you got filtered lol

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:43:34 2020 No.15808225
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>>15808158
>NOOOOOOOOOOO I HAVE TO MEMORIZE EVERY SINGLE DANAAN SAILING OUT OT FIGHT
What a waste. No one even remembers all that shit unless you're a literal PhD classics scholar specializing in the Iliad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 16:47:01 2020 No.15808254 >>15808029 yes

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:16:40 2020 No.15808464 >>15808137 Aeneas

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:21:36 2020 No.15808500 >>15807892 But imagine how fucking sick it would be if some travelling bard recited all that shit and knew all about your ancestors and your culture and shit?

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:29:03 2020 No.15808553
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This is why you read ossian.
the only list by him is one kings list.
the rest is entirely story.
he wasn't called "the greatest poet that has ever existed" by Jefferson for no reason.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:31:39 2020 No.15808572 >>15808553 So you're saying Jefferson had no reason for not calling him the greatest poet that has ever existed, yet he did not call him that?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 17:32:37 2020 No.15808584 >>15808572 >he thinks double negatives are incorrect

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:01:40 2020 No.15808804 >>15808074 Pleb detected

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:02:44 2020 No.15808809 >>15808225 >MEMORIZE No, you RECITE it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:04:34 2020 No.15808816 >>15808572 Fucking illiterate.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:05:51 2020 No.15808826 My favorite catalogue is the catalogue of dwarves from th Edda.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:09:18 2020 No.15808843

>>15808809
>No, you RECITE it.
Okay, that's pretty respectable if you read the Iliad aloud to yourself as you read it. My Latin teacher always said that's how the Romans read to themselves.

I'm not personally going to do that, I already talk to myself enough as is. I don't need people to think I'm straight up schizo by reading stuff aloud to myself.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:17:37 2020 No.15808887

>>15807892
Op you utter retard. Come let me hold your faggot hand.
As >>15807927 said, geography is key in understanding the catalogue of ships.
And for the bible you have to LOOK UP the meaning of the names to understand why the names are listed. The names themselves provide info about who they were what they did.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:23:00 2020 No.15808918 >>15808074 Halfwit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:29:30 2020 No.15808969 File: 34 KB, 477x719, 1428873994933.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15808826

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:01:07 2020 No.15809518 Imagine being at the wine drinking party with your friends listening to Homer and he recites the name of your city state and how many ships you sent. Why do barbarians even bother, this is not for them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:45:09 2020 No.15810175 >>15809518 This. It's the ancient Hellenic equivalent of "HELLO CLEVELAND!!!" and if you're the bard who's doing the reciting at that wine party, you god damn well better include it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:52:55 2020 No.15810247 >>15807892 welcome to Homeric scholarship, try looking on google earth at the locations mentioned

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 21:58:10 2020 No.15810283 >>15808809 no, you call upon the muses and they possess you,homer calls upon the muses a second time before he starts the catalog of ships

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 22:00:42 2020 No.15810306

Tell me now, Muses, who live on Olympus – since you are goddesses, ever present and all-knowing, while we hearing rumour know nothing ourselves for sure – tell me who were the leaders and lords of the Danaans. For I could not count or name the multitude who came to Troy, though I had ten tongues and a tireless voice, and lungs of bronze as well, if you Olympian Muses, daughters of aegis-bearing Zeus, brought them not to mind. Here let me tell of the captains, and their ships.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 01:14:47 2020 No.15811465 >>15808162 Irrelevant question. He receives Athena's favor because he's so fucking cool to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 01:24:53 2020 No.15811508 >>15808074 >his self esteem is based on whether some slut lets him into her soft hole

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 01:26:58 2020 No.15811516 File: 44 KB, 596x628, km.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15807892 >reads the Iliad in translation

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 01:30:55 2020 No.15811533 File: 276 KB, 800x667, 3D045B73-BF24-4EDE-A970-898A44D64623.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15807892 The catalogue of ships is the biggest pleb filter in history. And guess what, OP...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 01:54:55 2020 No.15811604 >>15808158 >DONT SKIM A LIST OF NAMES EVERY PARTICLE OF INK IS IMPORTANT TO THIS SACRED TEXT You are pathetic in the extreme

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 02:02:32 2020 No.15811628 I have very little knowledge of mycenaean history but I still enjoyed the catalogue of ships. It's got this serialism feeling I always enjoy. Aesthetically pleasing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 02:12:42 2020 No.15811665 >>15811604 >EVERY PARTICLE OF INK IS IMPORTANT TO THIS SACRED TEXT this but unironically

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 02:14:39 2020 No.15811673 File: 6 KB, 184x184, 1591995693305.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >the hardest pleb filter in Western literature is at the beginning of its first book

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 04:29:18 2020 No.15812230 >>15807892 filtered

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 04:36:48 2020 No.15812253 Everyone who says that part is not boring is lying to themselves. Its also not a reason to stop reading the book.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 04:38:22 2020 No.15812264 >>15811465 He gets wounded by that fucking faggot Paris

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 9 04:39:11 2020 No.15812269 >>15811673 For only six kilobytes this image of George Costanza is fucking exquisite. It's even decently sized. The compression artifacts have been extremely merciful on this basis boy.

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