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Every time this fat bastard opens his mouth about Tolkien it's clear he hasn't really bothered to read the material.

>> No.15799699

>>15799679
this fat, monolingual faggot has nothing on Tolkien

>> No.15801326

>>15799699
>Every time this fat bastard opens his mouth about Tolkien it's clear he hasn't really bothered to read the material.
>This famous fantasy author somehow didn't read one of the most fantasy novels in the World because I don't like him

>> No.15801334

>>15801326
But for OP >>15799679

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>> No.15801419

>>15799679
Lord of the Rings isn't exactly highbrow literature, bruv. It's something you probably read in 8th grade.

>> No.15801530

>>15801372
See, this would make a good point, but the idea that tragic catharsis = learn a moral lesson, as if you're supposed to go "oh, this character failed because he was X, I better not be X then" is an unfortunately simple view of tragedy. He's right that tragedy essentially has a moral component, and that it aims at portraying the "good and true" with regard to morals, and that Martin generally lacks an understanding of this in his works, but this is typically not achieved by positing some motive as bad, and to be avoided, as opposed to some opposite actions which would have hypothetically been good. Instead, and this has been acknowledged by many of the best philosophers, tragic work by enabling the portrayal of different, conflicting worldviews/moral drives clashing together, with the beauty arising out of the portrayal of the lack of simple or easy ethical solution to this dramatic conflict.