/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15794510]

Why was he so anti-semitic?

[Anonymous No.15794534]

It's a prerequisite for being German.

[Anonymous No.15794558]

Start with On Jewishness in Music or here:
https://www.counter-currents.com/2013/05/evil-genius-part-1/

[Anonymous No.15794728]

>>15794558
That's both horrible advice.

[Anonymous No.15794754]

>>15794728
You're horrible. Rea Wagner's critique of Jewishness from the primary and secondary sources or remain ignorant and offer nothing to the discussion.

[Anonymous No.15794771]

>>15794510
jews are annoying, corrupt and arrogant people

[Anonymous No.15794772]

>>15794510
A better question would be "Why wouldn't he be so anti semitic?"

[Anonymous No.15794798]

>>15794754
I have, retard. I'm saying that someone starting out with Wagner's prose works shouldn't read Judaism in Music first or that well-known faggot Greg Johnson.

[Anonymous No.15794835]

>>15794798
>>15794728
Not the guy you're replying to but at least he's giving reasons for his recommendations, you are just saying "nuh uh." Johnson didn't even write the article linked to.

[Anonymous No.15794852]

>>15794510
>"Property" has acquired an almost greater sacredness in our social conscience than religion: for offence against the latter there is lenience, for damage to the former no forgiveness. Since Property is deemed the base of all stability, the more's the pity that not all are owners, that in fact the greater proportion of Society comes disinherited into the world.
>Clever though be the many thoughts expressed by mouth or pen about the invention of money and its enormous value as a civiliser, against such praises should be set the curse to which it has always been doomed in song and legend. If gold here figures as the demon strangling manhood's innocence, our greatest poet shews at last the goblin's game of paper money. The Nibelung's fateful ring become a pocket-book, might well complete the eerie picture of the spectral world-controller. By the advocates of our Progressive Civilisation this rulership is indeed regarded as a spiritual, nay, a moral power; for vanished Faith is now replaced by "Credit," that fiction of our mutual honesty kept upright by the most elaborate safeguards against loss and trickery. What comes to pass beneath the benedictions of this Credit we now are witnessing, and seem inclined to lay all blame upon the Jews.
>Only the love that springs from pity, and carries its compassion to the utmost breaking of self-will, is the redeeming Christian Love, in which Faith and Hope are both included of a—Faith as the unwavering consciousness of that moral meaning of the world, confirmed by the most divine exemplar; Hope as the blessed sense of the impossibility of any cheating of this consciousness.
>AFTER recognising the necessity of a regeneration of the human race, if we follow up the possibilities of its ennoblement we light on little else than obstacles... We cannot withhold our acknowledgment that the human family consists of irremediably disparate races, whereof the noblest well might rule the more ignoble, yet never raise them to their level by commixture, but simply sink to theirs. Indeed this one relation might suffice to explain our fall; even its cheerlessness should not blind us to it: if it is reasonable to assume that the dissolution of our earthly globe is purely a question of time, we probably shall have to accustom ourselves to the idea of the human species dying out. On the other hand there is such a matter as life beyond all time and space, and the question whether the world has a moral meaning we here will try to answer by asking ourselves if we mean to go to ground as beasts or gods.

If you want to read him, read his works in this order:

>Religion and Art
>"What Boots This Knowledge?"
>Know Thyself
>Introduction to a work of Count Gobineau's
>Hero-dom and Christendom
>On Poetry and Composition
>Judaism in Music
>What is German?
>Art and Revolution
>The Art-Work of the Future
>Opera and Drama

And so on.

[Anonymous No.15794860]

>>15794835
It's pretty obvious if you've read more than just "le based antisemitic work". See>>15794852

[Anonymous No.15794896]

>>15794852
Also the only English translation ever done is pretty goofy.

[Anonymous No.15795098]

Bump.

[Anonymous No.15795123]

>>15794510
Ask the Semites.

[Anonymous No.15795132]

>>15794510
>Why was he so anti-semitic?
have you ever had to deal with jews?

[Anonymous No.15795138]

>>15794852
Hi anon. I'm the poster who had a discussion with you regarding Wagner's regeneration a few weeks ago. Have you had the chance to read The Birth of Tragedy?

[Anonymous No.15795157]

>>15794510
Good thread and i love wagner, but
>>>/mu/
might be a better choice for this thread.

[Anonymous No.15795160]

>>15794852
Good post. I'd also add to this list his essay "Modern", which I think is a direct answer to OP's question.

[Anonymous No.15795173]

>>15795157
I think Wagner is very much a literary figure in addition to being a musician.

[Anonymous No.15795616]

>>15795157
What are you, a hall monitor?

[Anonymous No.15795648]

>>15795138
Not yet, planning on reading it this week. However I do look forward to speaking with you about it again anon.

>>15795160
Just read it now, yeah that's a good one on the subject of jews.

[Anonymous No.15795654]

>>15794510
Who is this?

[Anonymous No.15795774]

>>15795654
The greatest composer of the 19th century.

[Anonymous No.15795778]

>>15795157
Wagner was a philosopher of art first, music was just a hobby.

[Anonymous No.15795792]

>>15795778
>Wagner was a philosopher of art first
>music was just a hobby.
>15 hour opera and multiple other four hour operas are just a hobby

[Anonymous No.15795807]

>>15795792
Yes.

[Anonymous No.15795815]

>>15795157
> Good thread and i love wagner, but
now try saying it without crying , you semitic rat.
wagner was also a playwright and an essayist.

[Anonymous No.15795848]

>>15795807
>writes philosophy and artistic theories for the future of art in which he aims to create
>primarily philosopher of art

[Anonymous No.15795852]

>>15795792

[Anonymous No.15797229]

Today I will remind them.

[Anonymous No.15797236]

>>15797229

[Anonymous No.15797255]

>>15797236

[Anonymous No.15797272]

>>15794510
He was a shallow thinker.

[Anonymous No.15797294]

>>15795157
Wagner is one of the most important thinkers of the 19th century.

[Anonymous No.15797298]

>>15794510

A healthy distrust of Jews has been more-or-less routine throughout the world, throughout history. It's the past half-century that's the aberration.

[Anonymous No.15797340]

>>15797229
>>15797236
>>15797255
Case in point >>15797272

Attributing Germany's anomaly of high culture that is Nietzsche to a mere case of masturbation addiction is the definition of shallow.

[Anonymous No.15797377]

>>15797298
>a healthy distrust

[Anonymous No.15797392]

>>15797377
Seems healthy to me

[Anonymous No.15797404]

>>15797340
>implying Nietzsche is Germany's high point of culture
>implying Nietzsche was even a high point of culture in 1877
>implying Wagner wasn't a mad genius

[Anonymous No.15797482]

>>15797392
>The Jew—who, as everyone knows, has a God all to himself—in ordinary life strikes us primarily by his outward [83] appearance, which, no matter to what European nationality we belong, has something disagreeably (09) foreign to that nationality: instinctively we wish to have nothing in common with a man who looks like that. This must heretofore have passed as a misfortune for the Jew: in more recent times, however, we perceive that in the midst of this misfortune he feels entirely well; after all his successes, he needs must deem his difference from us a pure distinction. Passing over the moral side, in the effect of this in itself unpleasant freak of Nature, and coming to its bearings upon Art, we here will merely observe that to us this exterior can never be thinkable as a subject for the art of re-presentment.: if plastic art wants to present us with a Jew, it mostly takes its model from sheer phantasy, with a prudent ennobling, or entire omission, of just everything that characterises for us in common life the Jew's appearance. But the Jew never wanders on to the theatric boards: the exceptions are so rare and special, that they only confirm the general rule. We can conceive no representation of an antique or modern stage-character by a Jew, be it as hero or lover, without feeling instinctively the incongruity of such a notion. (10) This is of great weight: a man whose appearance we must hold unfitted for artistic treatment—not merely in this or that personality, but according to his kind in general—neither can we hold him [84] capable of any sort of artistic utterance of his (11) [inner] essence.

[Anonymous No.15797532]

>>15797404
Yes, I implied all of that. What are you gonna do about it, faget?

[Anonymous No.15797552]

>>15797482
I mean here he's not even making value judgements, just speaking straightforward facts.

[Anonymous No.15797585]

>>15797532
>faget

Pretty sure that’s what Wagner was implying with his little coomer comment about Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.15797624]

>>15797532
>implying Nietzsche wrote good music
>"in 1871, Nietzsche sent a birthday gift of a piano composition to Wagner’s wife, Cosima. When Cosima played the piece in public, Wagner left before the end, and one of the guests found him rolling around on the floor, laughing, shortly after."

[Anonymous No.15797635]

>>15797229
>>15797236
>>15797255
>>15797340
>>15797404
>>15797532
>>15797585
>NIETZSCHE AND MASTURBATION: ÜBER-CLENCH OF THE ÜBERMENSCH

[Anonymous No.15797697]

>>15794510
Ask not why was he was antisemetic, but how he came to be antisemitic.

[Anonymous No.15797704]

>>15797585
Wagner was a man of the state in that he mistakenly conflated the anti-culture of the state as the supreme culture of man (which is typical of genius artists), so it matters little what he thought about the greatest philosopher of the 19th century.

>>15797624
Didn't imply that, but while Nietzsche's music was good, he was no genius of music. He shouldn't have quarreled with Wagner on that. He was correct in saying that Wagner's music was simpler than classical, but he was also incorrect in implying that Wagner's music was less artistic, since Wagner's music was written for the theater.

>>15797635
I bet Nietzsche was a master of edging.

[Anonymous No.15797739]

>>15797704
>I bet Nietzsche was a master of edging.
Seems like the type:
https://youtu.be/9HyHkQ578rI?t=226

[Anonymous No.15797763]

>>15797704
>Didn't imply that,
I didn't imply that you did.

[Anonymous No.15797787]

>>15797763
You didn't imply it, you explicitly claimed that I did.

[Anonymous No.15797813]

>>15797787
Where?

[Anonymous No.15797828]

>>15797813
>>implying Nietzsche wrote good music
F

[Anonymous No.15797840]

>>15797828
No, I said where did I explicitly state it rather than imply it? It was implied.

[Anonymous No.15797869]

>>15794510
He saw the light.

[Anonymous No.15797877]

>>15794510
Because he knew he was the superior race

[Anonymous No.15797884]

>>15797877

[Anonymous No.15797896]

>>15795157
wagner has been /lit/ property for a while now

[Anonymous No.15797901]

>>15797884
probably got butthurt after finding out his nose was worse than most jews

[Anonymous No.15797909]

>>15797884
CAW CAW CAW CAW

[Anonymous No.15797921]

>>15797884
>Yes.

[Anonymous No.15798156]

>>15797884
The Jews have big noses thing was probably a huge cope seeing as pretty much every Euro ethnic group has huge schnozes.