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[Anonymous No.15771876]

Why do Buddhists follow the teachings of a poo?

[Anonymous No.15771885]

>>15771876
Buddha came from an Aryan tried. Remember, India of 500BC was much different than India today

[Anonymous No.15771887]

*Blue eyed Saka Aryan.

[Anonymous No.15771895]

>>15771876
why do liberals confuse scythians with poos

[Anonymous No.15771900]

>>15771876
Because Indians solved philosophy, Buddhism is just the discount export version for plebs the real shit is Vedanta and Hindu Tantra

[Anonymous No.15771953]

>>15771876
He looks white there

[Anonymous No.15771957]

>>15771900
>the real shit is Vedanta and Hindu Tantra
if by shit you mean faeces, then yes its very real

[Anonymous No.15771987]

>>15771900
Vedanta wasn't invented until the 800sAD. That's over 1,000 years after the Buddha.

[jesus No.15771997]

>>15771876
to larp something not mainstream, but mainstream.

[Anonymous No.15772027]

Poos are drividians Buddha was a Scythian and Bodhidharma was Irish

[Anonymous No.15772224]

>>15771876
>>15771885
>>15771887
>>15772027
It's so pathetic that how you disgusting western LARPers associate these Nobel men with race and caste when they rejected such concepts. Shudras were among first followers of Buddha. Because Buddha who himself was from a slave caste rejected such superiority concepts.

[Anonymous No.15772232]

>>15772224
Buddha rejected the caste system but at the same time he was from the nobility. What are you on about?

[Anonymous No.15772243]

>>15772232
No, he wasn't at least according to his caste. Because sakas were considered a slave caste by the Aryans.

[Anonymous No.15772346]

>>15771987
Vedanta is just a straight forward exegesis of the primary Upanishads, which consistently teach the same doctrine from the pre-Buddhist Upanishads from the 8th-7th century BC to the later primary Upanishads around the 5th and 4th centuries BC. Many of the key tenets of Buddhism appear first in the pre-Buddhist Upanishads.

[Anonymous No.15772351]

>>15772243
This, you guys fell for a revolt of the untermensh globohomo progressive psyop

[Anonymous No.15772425]

>>15772346
so he's right, they just cite older influences

>>15772243
buddha's clan were considered "non-aryan" kshatriyas in the medieval period, not in his time.

[Anonymous No.15772471]

>>15771876
>why do buddhists follow the teaching of the buddha.

[Anonymous No.15772482]

>>15771876
>Eastern """philosophy"""

[Anonymous No.15772509]

>>15772425
No sincere Buddhist cares about this whole Aryan or slave caste thing.
Even if Buddha was an Aryan then he literally pissed on Aryan tradition by rejecting the concept of caste. And today he would be considered a "cuckold leftoid brainwashed by jews" by these white supremacist LARPers who are obsessed with Buddha's caste and race.

[Anonymous No.15772511]

>>15772224
Buddha racially abused brown Brahmins throughout the Pali canon.

[Anonymous No.15772538]

>>15772482
i think the prime fqctlr for this is there inability to seperate phil from theology/religion. of course in the west philosophers would use theological termonology or concepts, but they delinqte a more religious prose from a more philosophical one. using god as an axiom and rarely invoking jesus or scripture unless it is in terms of a miricle as a concept. a lot of eastern stuff is really vague on this distinction and often adhere old framework to ideas i stead of figuring out a framework themselves to support their ideas

[Anonymous No.15772539]

>>15772511
>brown Brahmins
Woah wait a minute. is this true? I thought only Aryans were Brahmins?
Also if you think that their concept of race was similar to the contemporary concept of race then you're literally retarded.

[Anonymous No.15772748]

>>15772224
>It's so pathetic that how you disgusting western LARPers associate these Nobel men with race and caste
then the next sentence
>Shudras were among first followers of Buddha
lmao you are a contradiction

[Anonymous No.15772763]

>>15772243
>kings son
>also a slave
something doesn't seem right here

[Anonymous No.15772772]

>>15772509
Prove buddha rejected the caste system then

[Anonymous No.15773053]

>>15772748
I never implied that they were Sudras according to Buddhism. They were Sudras because of their blood according to Aryans.

>>15772763
I never implied that he was a slave. His caste was considered a slave CASTE by Aryans.

>>15772772
>To Sundarika Bhâradvâja, the brahmin who inquired about his lineage, the Buddha answered:

>"No Brahmin I, no prince,
>No farmer, or aught else.
>All worldly ranks I know,
>But knowing go my way
>as simply nobody:
>Homeless, in pilgrim garb,
>With shaven crown, I go
>my way alone, serene.
>To ask my birth is vain."

[Anonymous No.15773234]

>>15773053
>I never implied that they were Sudras according to Buddhism.
This makes no sense though. Buddhism does not deny caste and race exist

>I never implied that he was a slave. His caste was considered a slave CASTE by Aryans.
ok then you're just incorrect then.
We are talking about Siddhartha Gautama right?

"Siddhartha's caste was the Kshatriya caste (the warrior rulers caste). He belonged to the Sahkya clan and was born in the Gautama family. Because of this, he became to be known as Shakyamuni “sage of the Shakya clan”, which is the most common name used in the Mahayana literature to refer to the Buddha."
https://www.ancient.eu/Siddhartha_Gautama/#:~:text=Siddhartha's%20caste%20was%20the%20Kshatriya,to%20refer%20to%20the%20Buddha.

>Sundarika Bhâradvâja, the brahmin who inquired about his lineage,
yeah that is part of leaving life behind for a life of homelessness.
Because Buddha left society doesn't mean somehow he wanted to end the caste system

[Anonymous No.15773422]

>>15771876
They don't. They follow Nagarjuna, and Nagarjuna followed Pyrrho. So Buddhists follow the ancient Evropean way.

[Anonymous No.15773455]

>>15771876
As a general answer to this tired old troll, I'd like to give Buddha's ancient wisdom about how to deal with trolls, taken from this translation of the Diamond Sutra:

http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/prajparagen2.pdf
>"What should we do about evil natured bhiksus?" asked Ananda.
>"Oh, that," said the Buddha, "is very easy. You should be silent and they will go away. Don't talk to them. After all, aren't they bad? Aren't they boisterous and disobedient? Ignore them. Don't speak to them. They'll become bored and leave on their own."

[Anonymous No.15773473]

>>15771885
>>15771887
>>15771895
>>15771953
Do people here actually think Buddha was white?I am always amazed how far you people go.

[Anonymous No.15773477]

>>15773234
>This makes no sense though. Buddhism does not deny caste and race exist
I like how you ignored the where I mentioned the caste based on blood.

"Birth makes not a man an outcast,
Birth makes not a man a brahmin;
Action makes a man an outcast,
Action makes a man a brahmin."
(Sutta-nipâta, 142)

In these few lines he busted bloodline caste, racial, ethnic, cultural and genetic spooks.

>We are talking about Siddhartha Gautama right?
Yeah the Siddhartha Gautama from the slave caste
>pic related

[Anonymous No.15773556]

>>15772425
>so he's right
No, since the Upanishads are and refer to themselves as Vedanta, the doctrine of the Vedanta long predates Buddha despite some of the most important thinkers in the school coming after him

[Anonymous No.15773575]

>>15773477
>In these few lines he busted bloodline caste, racial, ethnic, cultural and genetic spooks
No, he just acted like a typical subversive Jew trying to tear down harmonious heirachies, Brahmins have much higher IQ's on average than the lower castes which makes them especially suitable to study and teach metaphysics, this heritage is an important factor in what determines someone's status as a Brahmin

[Anonymous No.15773628]

>>15771887
>>15771895
>>15772027
How the fuck could he be a Saka if they only arrived to India in the first century BC?

[Anonymous No.15773645]

>>15773628
Saka was a name for all Scythian tribes, not just the specific Saka tribe of India.

[Anonymous No.15773677]

>>15773477
>I like how you ignored the where I mentioned the caste based on blood.
You agreed with me without even knowing it,

Birth makes not a man an outcast,
Birth makes not a man a brahmin;
Action makes a man an outcast,
Action makes a man a brahmin."

both buddhists and hindus believe in Karma(action)
Being of a certain caste is a result of a person's karma

>Yeah the Siddhartha Gautama from the slave caste
>Siddhartha's caste was the Kshatriya caste (the warrior rulers caste).
Yeah because slaves are totally Princes of the warrior high caste

[Anonymous No.15773758]

>>15773677
Except Hindus believed and still believe in caste by birth. And Buddhist believed in caste based on ethical behavior.
>Yeah because slaves are totally Princes of the warrior high caste
Build a time machine and argue with Aryans who considered Sakas a slave caste.

[Anonymous No.15773811]

>>15773758
>Except Hindus believed and still believe in caste by birth. And Buddhist believed in caste based on ethical behavior.
ok so you admit Buddha believed in a caste system I win.

>Build a time machine and argue with Aryans who considered Sakas a slave caste.
nah you're just wrong glad you're admitting it.

/thread

[Anonymous No.15773935]

>>15773811
>ok so you admit Buddha believed in a caste system
Yeah I do amit that.
>nah you're just wrong glad you're admitting it.
How I am wrong if Sakas were considered slave caste by Aryans?
And even if Buddha was an Aryan then he through his caste system he pissed on Aryan tradition of caste by birth/bloodline/race/ethnicity.

[Anonymous No.15774882]

>>15771876
Buddha was a Dravidian Bengali fighting the Greeks.

[Anonymous No.15775556]

>>15773422
>Nagarjuna followed Pyrrho
The reverse kid.
Pyrrho was inspired by indian tought
Nagarjuna too

[Anonymous No.15775729]

>>15773455
Well Jesus said the similar thing... Something about pearls and pigs

[Anonymous No.15776440]

>>15773935
>How I am wrong if Sakas were considered slave caste by Aryans?
How was the Buddha considered a slave AND a prince of the high castes?

>And even if Buddha was an Aryan then he through his caste system he pissed on Aryan tradition of caste by birth/bloodline/race/ethnicity
nope

[Anonymous No.15776585]

>>15775729
Assuming most of New Testament is more or less a true story, was Jesus a Buddha? In a spiritual sense of course.
I feel like his teachings suggest so.

[Anonymous No.15776657]

>>15771895
he wasn't a scythian

[Anonymous No.15776717]

>>15776585
The simplest answer is that no, it's impossible, their teachings are too divergent. The amount of rhetorical and mental gymnastics you need to go through to make a case for this is too large. Namely, Jesus's doctrine supports the existence of at least one Self (God), at maximum infinite Selfs (Souls). The Buddha's doctrine is rooted in the inability to find Selfs (the last time I said "Selfs do not exist" some Vedantard got really upset at me for daring to use a colloquialism, so there you go). So, right there, that position of Self vs no-Self completely diverges the two, resulting in a radical compatibility. If one is right, the other is wrong.

On the other hand, Buddhism and Christianity have a LOT of similarities, for very different reasons, and both have traditions of their other's founder as being one of /theirguys/. Christians have Prestor John, Buddhists have Jesus-as-the-Bodhisattva-of-the-West. Both are patently just attempts at making the other's founder one of their own, but this demonstrates that there is a mutual intellectual respect between the two that isn't found between Christianity and Islam, or Buddhism and Islam (both mutually agree that Islam is completely stupid and pointless; Buddhist Eschatology involves Muslims summoning demons to try and destroy the world; Allah is literally Satan according to many Christian formulations).

[Anonymous No.15776747]

quran
bible
talmud
what's the official buddhist canon book then?

[Anonymous No.15776903]

>>15776747
For Theravada, it's the Pali Canon. The Pali Canon is the Buddhist Canon in the Pali language. At the time the Buddha lived, North Indians spoke (among many other smaller languages) a dialect continuum. Sanskrit was an academic, formalized version of this dialect continuum. Pali is a later, academically ossified, version of this dialect continuum. The Pali Canon, is thus, every sermon the Buddha ever gave during his 40-45 year period of post-enlightenment life. Technically, it's every UNIQUE sermon he ever gave, as the disciple chiefly responsible for it, Ananda, missed some sermons; the Buddha re-gave these sermons to Ananda, and the audience. Ananda had a photographic memory, and his testimony was confirmed by many other monks when the Pali Canon was formalized. It takes up like 50+ books. One third is about monastic life and discipline, one third is sermons given to crowds, the final third is systemic philosophy.

For the Mahayana, the best text that would fit that ("THE book") would be the Heart Sutra. It's super short, you can fit it in a 4chan post. It's frankly closer to the Nicene Creed than the Bible, as it's a list of philosophical and doctrinal positions. It's far more in depth than that sounds, of course.

[Anonymous No.15777581]

>>15776657
The Buddha was of indo european origin that migrated to India during the Aryan Invasion. likely scythian

[Anonymous No.15779193]

>>15772539
>I thought only Aryans were Brahmins
It's thousands of years after the Bronze Age invasions by the time Buddha emerges on the scene, the Aryans have mixed with the cute girls of the slave caste several times over to make Brahmins by now.

In the Pali cannon Buddha race-checks several Brahmins who try to flex on him for being a Kshatriya, he replies by pointing out they're black and he's not.

[Anonymous No.15779201]

>>15776657
His is literally called the Saka Sage (Shakyamuni) by later Buddhists who inflate the Buddha count and need a new name to distinguish him.

[Anonymous No.15779250]

>Ambaṭṭha Sutta
Buddha BTFO's a Brahmin, who was talking shit about the Sakyans, for being a Black hobgoblin:

1.15. Then the Lord (Buddha) thought: ‘This young (Brahmin) man goes too far in abusing the Sakyans. Suppose I were to ask after his clan-name? ’ So he said: ‘Ambattha, what is your clan?’ ‘I am a Kaṇhāyan, Reverend Gotama.’

‘Ambattha, in former days, according to those who remember the ancestral lineage, the Sakyans were the masters, and you are descended from a slave-girl of the Sakyans. For the Sakyans regard King Okkāka as their ancestor. At one time King Okkāka, to whom his queen was dear and beloved, wishing to transfer the kingdom to her son, banished his elder brothers from the kingdom — Okkamukha, Karandu, Hatthiniya and Sinipura. And these, being banished, made their home on the flank of the Himālayas beside a lotus-pond where there was a big grove of teak-trees. And for fear of contaminating the stock they cohabited with their own sisters. Then King Okkāka asked his ministers and counsellors: “Where are the princes living now?” and they told him. At this King Okkāha exclaimed: “They are strong as teak (sāka), these princes, they are real Sakyans!” And that is how the Sakyans got their well-known name. And the King was the ancestor of the Sakyans.

1.16. ‘Now King Okkāka had a slave-girl called Disā, who gave birth to a black child. The black thing, when it was born, exclaimed: “Wash me, mother! Bath me, mother! Deliver me from this dirt, and I will bring you profit!” Because, Ambattha, just as people today use the term hobgoblin (pisāca) as a term of abuse, so in those days they said black (kaṇha). And they said: “As soon as he was born, he spoke. He is born a Kanha, a hobgoblin!” That is how in former days...the Sakyans were the masters, and you are descended from a slave-girl of the Sakyans.’

http://www.palicanon.org/en/sutta-pitaka/transcribed-suttas/majjhima-nikaya/118-mn-150-nagaravindeyya-sutta-to-the-nagaravindans.html

[Anonymous No.15779272]

>>15776440
Holy shit you retard
Read >>15773477 pic related with open eyes for once. I am not making that up the Aryans fucking ARYANS considered Sakas a slave non-aryan caste.
He wasn't a prince in mainland India where the Aryans ruled. It was a small little shithole of a kingdom.

[Anonymous No.15779282]

>>15779272
See>>15779250
Sakas were outcast Aryans who interbred with their own sisters rather than mix with black hobgoblins (their words). The Aryans/Brahmins chose to mix with their slaves.

[Anonymous No.15779340]

>>15779282
I am just telling him that Sakas were a non-aryan slave caste according to Aryan law. I don't give a shit if they were white or red or blue.
For all I know Buddha rejected the caste system based on birth/race/ethnicity. He even rejected his family's tradition, religion and his status of prince. And valued ethical behaviour, compassion and love above all.

[Anonymous No.15779381]

>>15779340
Sounds like hobgoblin kanha cope. The words of the Buddha speak for themselves: sleep with your own sister rather than mix with kanhas.

[Anonymous No.15779402]

>>15779381
>sleep with your own sister rather than mix with kanhas.
Sauce
Also see >>15773053 >>15773477

[Anonymous No.15779488]

>>15779402
>Sauce
Literally above you>>15779250
The Ambattha Sutta.

[Anonymous No.15779544]

>>15779488
Yeah he did the right thing by BTFO'ing that stupid fucking Brahmin's racial and caste pride by playing the game of racial purity.
But where did he argued against mixing? Where did praised the racial purity?

[Anonymous No.15779647]

>>15779544
He defended the racial purity of the Sakas and called black people hobgoblins.

[Anonymous No.15780017]

>>15779272
>>15779282
Answer the question then
How was the Buddha considered a slave AND a prince of the high castes?

[Anonymous No.15780230]

>>15779647
He presented that argument not to praise those concepts but to demolish that young Brahmins' pride and make him humble. You read the whole argument between the two get the whole picture.

>>15780017
As I said earlier go build a time machine and argue with Aryan authorities who wrote the Aryan law on caste.

[Anonymous No.15780231]

>>15773477
The Manusmriti was written long after Buddha's death, though.

[Anonymous No.15780300]

>>15780230
>As I said earlier go build a time machine and argue with Aryan authorities who wrote the Aryan law on caste.
So you can't prove your claims wheb met with counter evidence?
Good to know

[Anonymous No.15780348]

>>15780300
Okay dude, let's accept Buddha was an Aryan.

>To Sundarika Bhâradvâja, the brahmin who inquired about his lineage, the Buddha answered:

>"No Brahmin I, no prince,
>No farmer, or aught else.
>All worldly ranks I know,
>But knowing go my way
>as simply nobody:
>Homeless, in pilgrim garb,
>With shaven crown, I go
>my way alone, serene.
>To ask my birth is vain."

"Birth makes not a man an outcast,
Birth makes not a man a brahmin;
Action makes a man an outcast,
Action makes a man a brahmin."

And there you go he rejected spooks of birth/bloodline/ethnicity/race in these few lines. Now label him a "leftoid cuckold race traitor bugman atheist brainwashed by Jews" you braindead /pol/tard LARPer.

[Anonymous No.15780626]

>>15780348
yawn. I already debunked this. try harder pol

Birth makes not a man an outcast,
Birth makes not a man a brahmin;
Action makes a man an outcast,
Action makes a man a brahmin."

both buddhists and hindus believe in Karma(action)
Being of a certain caste is a result of a person's karma

>And there you go he rejected spooks of birth/bloodline/ethnicity/race
Yet the Buddha never spoke out against a caste system based on birth/bloodline/ethnicity/race, never sought to dismantle it and it remains undisturbed in Ceylon today for example, while in Japan and China Buddhism lived in harmony hierarchical and imperial society.
ONLY in the west is Buddha see as a leftist figure.

[Anonymous No.15780654]

>>15771876
Buddha – The Forbidden History Of The Aryans
http://esotericawakening.com/buddha-aryans

[Anonymous No.15780662]

>>15773473
Well you are a darkie, no surprise you are ignorant and dumb

[Anonymous No.15780678]

>>15780626
>through good action you gained the karma so when you get reborn into a 'pure' caste you can rape, enslave and kill people of 'lesser' races because that's your right to do so, you're still god either way

[Anonymous No.15780738]

>>15780678
>has not counter argumnet
>tries to lie about what I said.
get back to your containment board pol

[Anonymous No.15780754]

>>15780738
pol would love the race system you describe you shit for brains

[Anonymous No.15780770]

>>15780738
also the current dalai cunt is a retard lmfao. he's the one who refused a vegetarian meal when he visited some country because he didn't want to be labeled as a 'vegetarian'. he's a mighty serene buddhist super-super monk leader, the 'vegetarian' label is too poor for him

[Anonymous No.15780845]

>>15780626
And again Aryans/Hindu caste was and still determined by birth. But Buddha in those lines rejected the caste based on birth in favour of caste based on action. So your argument literally makes no sense. He basically pissed on racial/ethic/cultural/genetic spooks.

[Anonymous No.15781136]

>>15780770
>>15780754
>dalai cunt
>retard lmfao
you can only fake reading ability for so long. you have been found out pol

[Anonymous No.15781143]

>>15780845
And again if what you're saying is true the Buddha would have done something about the caste system. He did not and in many ways supported that very caste system.

[Anonymous No.15781200]

>>15781143
You're literally denying to accept Buddha's words. So I don't know how else I can convince you.

[Anonymous No.15781246]

>>15781200
>You're literally denying to accept Buddha's words. So I don't know how else I can convince you.
this is a massive deflection. Do you have an actual counter argument or is it just deflection and time machines?