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is Blue Labour the most /lit/ political option for British anons?

>> No.15747359

>>15747333
Yes, but Sorelianism is the most /lit/ ideology, on a broader scale.

>> No.15747369

>>15747333
Yes. I wish we had something like that here in Australia. Even New Zealand has a less shitty boring labour party than us (Jacinda Ardern got in on an anti-immigration platform lol). Australia is probably second worst after Canada in terms of bland bourgeois parliamentary politics. Although I could never tolerate living in Bongland. Muh Brexit. Muh Daily Mail. Muh bankers bonuses. Shut up you subhuman fucking freaks. I fucking hate poms. Fuck OFF>

>> No.15747374

>>15747369
Actually to add on to this post, I have been interested in reading the Canadian political philosopher George Grant (associated with their 'Red Tory' tradition there). Probably the closest thing we had to that here in Australia after the mid-20th century was the DLP but that didn't last long (and was kind of demented).

>> No.15747379

>>15747333
not british myself, but probably

>> No.15747393

>>15747333
Based on a quick 30-sec glance of the wiki page: Yes.

>> No.15747411

>>15747333
No, it's a soulless embarrassment. Imagine forming your entire programme for society around what is essentially the motto "Better things aren't possible!" Everyone else is fighting for a future they believe in, however wildly different from each other that may look like; 'Blue Labour' revolves around fighting all the futures they don't believe in and as a result possess no future themselves. 'The End Of History'-tier delusion equatable to a denial of life itself. Like a vegan who becomes scared that plants feel suffering too and starves to death rather than take a chance that could cause harm. They live in a fake world that revolves entirely around managing the present situation without looking ahead and so fail utterly to measure up to the challenges of political reality.

>> No.15747434

>>15747333
It's bullshit basically designed to smuggle blairism in through the back door. Now that the blairites are back in through the front door, you can expect to never hear about it again

>> No.15747442

>>15747411
>utopianist smackhead: blargh blargh soulless!!
cringe to da extreme

>> No.15747502

>>15747369
Labor is just as anti-immigration as the Liberals, they are Blue Labour without the rejection of neoliberal economics. Any political reform in this country would be worthless as we are all run by a bunch of careerists who only know how to suck a good dick to get themselves up the social ladder. And yes, FUCK poms.

>> No.15747513

>>15747434
Blue Labour is anti-Blairite?

>> No.15747585

>>15747369
British accents are absolutely disgusting. I used to live with two British housemates and they sounded like they were retarded simply because of their accents.

>> No.15747616

>>15747513
Superficially yeah, but it's exactly the kind of watery communitarian platform that collapses back into the status quo. I think it's worthwhile trying to recover the indigenous radical tradition of the labour party (Thomas Carlyle, John Ruskin etc.) but the blue labour people are not the one's to do it. It's literally just an aesthetic appreciation of the pre-marxist socialist radicalism, with no attempt to rejig those ideas for our current, very different political landscape.

On their wikipedia page, they say they support guild socialism over neoliberal economics. Cool, but guild socialism was popular movement at the turn of the century which completely shat the bed and collapsed. Who in the blue labour scene is actually doing the analysis on why it didn't work the first time, and indeed, why the labour party was sucked, either into continental marxism or neoliberalism (or recently, into some perverse combination of both) in the first place. You see what I mean when I say it's just an aesthetic movement with no substance and that it would just collapse back into the liberal concensus if it (by some miracle) actually got into power (this btw is exactly what happened to the british guild socialists in the 1900s, who were completely reabsorbed into the liberal wing of the party)

>> No.15747668

>>15747616
So you're saying that they need to name the Jew?

>> No.15747681

>>15747668
Name the aristocrat? (((Baron Glasman)))

>> No.15747687

No, the monster raving loony party best party.

>> No.15747692

>>15747369
Democratic Labor Party
Katter's Australian Party

Australia has very conservative left tendencies due to the historical presence and influence of Catholicism.

>> No.15747701

>>15747369
Also Jacinda has never really been anti-immigration, and the policies which NZ labour campaigned, estimated to cut net migration to 30k/year, didn't do that. Net migration was at its highest ever until the lockdown.

>> No.15747706

>>15747333
Supporting political parties will never be /lit/. I have never voted in my life and nor shall I ever.

>> No.15747714

>>15747706
Have you done anything political in your life your are you just another edgy lifestylist?

>> No.15747729

>>15747616
Your post reads like someone that only knows political history from Wikipedia. You really need to actually read Glasman's PhD or Tangled Up In Blue. Calling him a Blairite (and it was basically just him and Frank Field who were core Blue Labour) is laughably incorrect.

>> No.15747733

>>15747585
Really? American girls seem to love English accents. When I was working in America women would always ask me to talk to them because they loved listening to it lol.

>> No.15747737

>>15747333
Isn't this just "being nice but also mildly religious maybe?" Sounds like another form of mediocrity desu

>> No.15747743

>>15747369
>Jacinda Ardern got in on an anti-immigration platform
Wait, how the fuck did she become the darling of progressive liberalism on an anti immigration platform?

>> No.15747748

>>15747733
Checked and did this get you laid?

>> No.15747754

>>15747743
because she shits on Blumpf, I don't know why would you expecting a more in-depth analysis from the progressive liberal camp

>> No.15747794

>>15747748
>did this get you laid?
Definitely. The main thing is it opened the door to talking to women and them having an immediate interest in me, but you still have to close the deal (obviously).

>> No.15747851

>>15747794
I don't know if it's just me but burger women are so much more easier than British women. I'd get next to zero matches on tinder here but tons when I went to the US, and that was before I even mentioned my accent. Either they're easier or there's more women over there who appreciate my gawky face and physique.

>> No.15747855

>>15747585
>British Accent
m8 there are about 50 different ones

>> No.15747863

>>15747754
any links please? The girls in the UK suck her female dick, I'd love to btfo them

>> No.15747876

>>15747333
not really because they're utterly doomed to failure. the rest of labour absolutely hates them and thinks they're fascists, i dunno why they don't just join the tories and try to change them from within because many tory voters are socially far to the right of conservative MPs while being economically to the left

i just wish we had literally any viable socon parties in canada. incredibly cucked country, the most liberal in the anglosphere, the liberals succeeded post-WW2 in making canada's national identity "socially progressive unlike those NASTY americans". we're fucked.

>> No.15747891

>>15747333
Maurice Glasman is a zionist jew

>> No.15747910

>>15747891
This. I don't trust (())'s and socialism one bit

>> No.15747916

>>15747729
Okay, fair enough. I'm speaking from experience of interactions with blue labour types, which haven't inspired much interest in me, but you're right that I don't know much about Glasman himself.

But also why would I read an entire book on a meme political movement that is going absolutely nowhere, because it's platform only appeals to teenagers who like Chesterton?

>> No.15747950

>>15747851
British accents are viewed positively in the US

>> No.15747951

>>15747333
for me, it's the British National Party

>> No.15747969

>>15747891
based

>> No.15747990

>>15747585
You’re American so you don’t understand the variety of accents in the UK. You were probably living with Scousers or Brummies.

>> No.15748038

>>15747333
BL is untenable in a multi-ethnic nation. You can already see this in Lammy and Glasman wanting blacks and jews respectively to have control of their own communties. Add in moslems, jocks and anglos and you have a very unstable country indeed. BL is a teary-eyed look at what the labour movement could have been without immigration. Alas, this island is for the dogs.

>> No.15748062

>>15747950
Yeah but they all swiped right before they knew I was British.

>> No.15748074

>>15747359
What do I have to read to get Sorel? Marx?

>> No.15748084

>>15748074
Marx and Nietzsche.

>> No.15748099

>implying parties can change anything in globalised capitalism
If you dont control your economy, you dont control your nation.

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>>15748038
Now, at all times, where there are marked physical differences, especially of colour, integration is difficult though, over a period, not impossible. There are among the Commonwealth immigrants who have come to live here in the last fifteen years or so, many thousands whose wish and purpose is to be integrated and whose every thought and endeavour is bent in that direction.
But to imagine that such a thing enters the heads of a great and growing majority of immigrants and their descendants is a ludicrous misconception, and a dangerous one.
We are on the verge here of a change. Hitherto it has been force of circumstance and of background which has rendered the very idea of integration inaccessible to the greater part of the immigrant population - that they never conceived or intended such a thing, and that their numbers and physical concentration meant the pressures towards integration which normally bear upon any small minority did not operate.
Now we are seeing the growth of positive forces acting against integration, of vested interests in the preservation and sharpening of racial and religious differences, with a view to the exercise of actual domination, first over fellow-immigrants and then over the rest of the population. The cloud no bigger than a man's hand, that can so rapidly overcast the sky, has been visible recently in Wolverhampton and has shown signs of spreading quickly. The words I am about to use, verbatim as they appeared in the local press on 17 February, are not mine, but those of a Labour Member of Parliament who is a minister in the present government:
'The Sikh communities' campaign to maintain customs inappropriate in Britain is much to be regretted. Working in Britain, particularly in the public services, they should be prepared to accept the terms and conditions of their employment. To claim special communal rights (or should one say rites?) leads to a dangerous fragmentation within society. This communalism is a canker; whether practised by one colour or another it is to be strongly condemned.'
All credit to John Stonehouse for having had the insight to perceive that, and the courage to say it.
For these dangerous and divisive elements the legislation proposed in the Race Relations Bill is the very pabulum they need to flourish. Here is the means of showing that the immigrant communities can organise to consolidate their members, to agitate and campaign against their fellow citizens, and to overawe and dominate the rest with the legal weapons which the ignorant and the ill-informed have provided. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood."

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15748285

>>15747333
Epin social media management on le ch0nz my dudez.

Also no it's stupid and everyone knows it's stupid. The level of cringe in pic related was unreal.

>> No.15748301

The most /lit/ political option is to be apolitical.

>> No.15748495

>>15747333
Absolute Monarchism is the only truly /britlit/ political position.

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15748521

>>15748285
>huhh huhh cringe

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