/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15717537]

>Helps create the secular globohomo hellhole you live in right now

No need to thank him.

[Anonymous No.15717575]

>>15717537
The hellhole was already being created. You can see it in Wagner's essay "Modern". Nietzsche tried his best to stop it, but in vain. They took bits and pieces of his thought to use against him.

[Anonymous No.15717603]

>>15717575
This. Neetch was just describing a situation that was already unfolding. You should really be blaming Martin Luther and Copernicus.

[Anonymous No.15717606]

>>15717575
>hey took bits and pieces of his thought to use against him.
This. Girard goes into it a bit. They read Nietzsche and show concern for "victims" but don't really talk about Nietzsche's disdain for slave morality.... Nietzsche work on truth and history are what they appropriate, I think.

[Anonymous No.15717615]

>>15717603
You should rather go far back and blame Moses and Socrates.

[Anonymous No.15717628]

>>15717615
>not blaming Adam and Eve
>which by proximity can be traced back to God himself

[Anonymous No.15718213]

>>15717537
gay

[Anonymous No.15718415]

Crusades and imperialism = globohomo
whoopsie!

[Anonymous No.15718452]

>>15717537
he just pointed at an occurring phenomenon

[Anonymous No.15718460]

>>15717575
>>15717603
>>15717606
>>15718452
Same thing with Frankfurt School

[Anonymous No.15718475]

>>15718460
no

[Anonymous No.15718479]

>>15718475
Yes

[Anonymous No.15718495]

>>15717615
>You should rather go far back and blame Moses and Socrates.
far righter accidentally affirms that modernity is merely the logical outcome of western civilization, and that these very cornerstone of the West are the root of the "issue"
Fascism is fundamentally anti-west

[Anonymous No.15718526]

>>15717537
making the earth a hellhole for people like you is a necessary prerequisite for any desirable world order

[Anonymous No.15718561]

>>15717537
> secular
yes, of course. religion meant not as plato and voltaire mean it , that is a set easy rules for the masses, is degenerate.
> globohomo
nope, it was poststructuralism , and ultimately heidegger and adorno.

[Anonymous No.15718946]

>>15717537
Imagine being as retarded as OP,

[Anonymous No.15719033]

>>15717537
Thank you Nietzsche!! Thank you for assisting in the creation of the world that allows me to read anything for free and get better at my hobbies with the assistance of experts from all over the world! Thank you for letting me live in the safest times to ever exist!! Thank you for making recreational drugs cheap and getting laid easy!! God bless

[Anonymous No.15719046]

>>15719033
poggers

[Anonymous No.15719062]

>>15717537
>Nietzsche walks by a house, sees that smoke is billowing out of the windows and flames are flickering
>Nietzsche: "uhh guys, I think this house is on fire, shouldn't you do something about it?"
>instead of doing anything about the fire, the residents just argue about whether Nietzsche started the fire, whether he wanted to see the house burn down, whether he likes the fire etc
>the house is now completely covered in flames and is about to collapse
>people who turned up late think Nietzsche is be the arsonist because he saw it first

[Anonymous No.15719188]

>>15718526
This

[Anonymous No.15719967]

>>15717537
He didn't support egalitarianism, so he wouldn't have supported the American liberal brand of globalism.

[Anonymous No.15719993]

>>15717537
That was H*gel

[Anonymous No.15720067]

>>15717575
I'd agree to that. Most people these days probably don't even know who the fuck Nietzche is.

[Anonymous No.15720587]

>>15717603
More like Martin Luther and John Calvin. Copernicus' Revolution was inevitable but it probably wouldn't have eroded the spiritual and political structure of Europe since it couldn't have led to (((Hegel))) in any meaningful way.

[jesus No.15720963]

>>15717537
create -> realize
fixed

[Anonymous No.15720989]

>>15717603
>>15720587
Can you guys expand on how Martin Luther is to blamed for the state of the world today. Are you saying Protestantism is what led to the state of the west today?

[Anonymous No.15721117]

>>15720989
They are salty catholic larpers.

[Anonymous No.15721134]

>>15717537
>diagnoses your disease
>is blamed for it

[Anonymous No.15721135]

>>15720989
>>15721117
>The guy that decided that he would break with at least 1000 years of tradition because he couldn't control his lust and watered down Chrisitanity to fideism, made the Christian faith into "I feel it's true because I like it" and severs the Bible from 1500 years of Tradition (in addition to getting rid of 7 books unnecessarily) did nothing wrong and didn't contribute to the postmodern hellscape we see today
Prottie Cope

[Anonymous No.15721159]

>>15720989
He privatized faith mate, planted the bourgois seeds in the inner sanctum.

[Anonymous No.15721189]

>>15720989
>Are you saying Protestantism is what led to the state of the west today?
Not that guy, but yes.

Western Europe has always been the battleground between Christian and Gnostic traditions, and the world we live in today is the world where the Gnostic tradition won.

Protestantism was an attempt at a syncretic compromise between Christianity and Gnosticism; basically, let the rubes and proles keep their 'Jesus' fantasy and ritual, while the whole thing is ruled by a Gnostic elite.

At some point the elite stopped caring about what the proles think, and threw Christianity under the bus. (That point is basically now.)

[Anonymous No.15721201]

>>15721189
>the world we live in today is the world where the Gnostic tradition won.
imagine being this delusional

[Anonymous No.15721236]

If you are an aristocrat, you are probably OK now, and if you are plebs, you are probably better off than a peasant.

[Anonymous No.15721263]

>>15721189
Gnostics we’re hunted out of existence and to even think sola filia is analogous to the gnostic traditions is laughable. Get your brain off memes.

[Anonymous No.15721284]

>>15721201
Imagine being this ignorant.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15721303]

>Blaming...
Capitalism

[Anonymous No.15721314]

>>15721236
This is the worst time to be rich desu

[Anonymous No.15721319]

What the fuck is globohomo

[Anonymous No.15721335]

>>15720989
He isn't. Increasing modes of production lead to this, and copes about the Protestant Work Ethic aren't what lead to it.

[Anonymous No.15721343]

>>15721319
It's what brainlets call Liberal Capitalism.

[Anonymous No.15721360]

>>15717628

[Anonymous No.15721377]

>>15717537
Nietzsche didn't do that, he just saw the writing on the wall for the culture Christianity created. Christianity itself creates atheists more than some edgy butthole who liked talking about how great he thought he was.

[Anonymous No.15721391]

>>15717603
Blame luciferian Catholics for selling salvation

[Anonymous No.15721430]

based on what i've read of him he wanted it to be a lot worse than what it is, he was actually crazy as fuck, he's basically the dark side of the force, and people try to separate him from the nazis but he said there were inferior races and hated democracy and all of it. there's a lot of projected magic onto his work but upon further inspection it's just super normie tyranny and circular logic that can't overcome nihilism, it just tries to create the rules of a non existent game, that all of reality is will to power energy.

I really don't know what his deal was, probably talking to demons and shit.

[Anonymous No.15721438]

>>15721430
What the fuck even is this post

[Anonymous No.15721446]

>>15721430
10/10 bait

[Anonymous No.15721448]

>>15721430
kek

[Anonymous No.15721455]

>>15717537
>intellectual created x
Wrong, history is driven by various material interests.

[Anonymous No.15721460]

Global homo is actually pretty great, the only people who it bothers deserve to suffer anyways

[Anonymous No.15721483]

I can never finish Thus Spoke Zarathustra is it worth reading until the end?

[Anonymous No.15721496]

>>15721483
No, it's pretty shit anon.
>muh man is a bungee cord between my ass and my head

[Anonymous No.15721558]

>>15717537
We just haven't gone far enough yet.

[Anonymous No.15721634]

>>15721558
Well, we aren't going too much further due to resource depletion and hardware limits in computing at the molecular level.

[Anonymous No.15721641]

Well when I read Nieter i thik a lot about his quotations regarding the self sufficency prospection flux that states in his book "On The Living Pasting"

"to find out where the little is you must first take apart the whole strara, digging beneath this you unravel a whole yard of yarn that comes up in its won. felt a little like rubber."
- Neitersze

but thats just the tip of the egg

[Anonymous No.15721660]

>>15720067
They know he's some existentialist philosopher but couldn't for the life of them explain his position. I am interested in reading and have yet to get to him.

I think it's status quo bias. A lot of people are scared they'll fuck up what they don't know so they buy into the progressive history meme where everything is on an improving curve so they assume all consumerist woke culture and constitution worship is aligned with intelligent philosophy.
Whenever anyone takes time to read anything or to focus on what someone is actually saying they usually realise it's mostly defeatist critique of the modern world.

[Anonymous No.15721727]

>>15721135
>1000 years of tradition
Martin Luther and the reformation fought against recent medieval innovations in the western church such as transubstantiation, priestly celibacy, offering the eucharist only under one form, papal investiture etc. Martin Luther was actually inspired by St. Augustine and the early church.

Plus it wasn't like the reformation happened just because Luther was horny, there were many heretical movements such as the lollards, hussites, cathars and even the franciscans. With the development of the printing press, one movement was bound to get popular.

t. athiest

[Anonymous No.15721728]

I see a lot of guys coming here to post some quotes or some literary critique but the bottom line is that you have to try to work through it all. Like Neeteinger says, "The last time you try to find out where you were born is the first front of the stall."

that's a big time quote with a lot of room to sweat in, I am sweating not for example (e.g. it's 30 + c outside with a little bit of a breeze but not enough to sweat your socks off!!!). that's a lot of Nestlzers quotes which state things about having breasts or exposing yourself in public e.g. in "Gastronomical Metafleillung" you get a good quote, "From the startup I tried to wash the oil from my hair." now you can do 2 things with is quote you can pick it up or you can put it down. you can't do both half of the time

[Anonymous No.15721752]

Neudelerz has a lot to say in his diary, "Fur the VRGGGGGG" but it's a n epic poem format so you can try to read it in your sleep maybe. I used to never wipe my ass after defecating, probably out of a thought that I had a new scent. it's very funny because after several months the dogs would sniff my ass too on the street, I visibly smelt bad and that was a big turn off for people. you see with your nose and breathe through your eyes so to speak as Neggleiz says, "find a little breathing spcae to cum in" and thats what I did

[Anonymous No.15721769]

>>15717537
Lo, this is the tarantula's den! Would'st thou see the tarantula itself? Here hangeth its web: touch this, so that it may tremble.

There cometh the tarantula willingly: Welcome, tarantula! Black on thy back is thy triangle and symbol; and I know also what is in thy soul.

Revenge is in thy soul: wherever thou bitest, there ariseth black scab; with revenge, thy poison maketh the soul giddy!

Thus do I speak unto you in parable, ye who make the soul giddy, ye preachers of equality! Tarantulas are ye unto me, and secretly revengeful ones!

But I will soon bring your hiding-places to the light: therefore do I laugh in your face my laughter of the height.

Therefore do I tear at your web, that your rage may lure you out of your den of lies, and that your revenge may leap forth from behind your word "justice."

Because, for man to be redeemed from revenge—that is for me the bridge to the highest hope, and a rainbow after long storms.

Otherwise, however, would the tarantulas have it. "Let it be very justice for the world to become full of the storms of our vengeance"—thus do they talk to one another.

"Vengeance will we use, and insult, against all who are not like us"—thus do the tarantula-hearts pledge themselves.

"And 'Will to Equality'—that itself shall henceforth be the name of virtue; and against all that hath power will we raise an outcry!"

Ye preachers of equality, the tyrant-frenzy of impotence crieth thus in you for "equality": your most secret tyrant-longings disguise themselves thus in virtue-words!

Fretted conceit and suppressed envy—perhaps your fathers' conceit and envy: in you break they forth as flame and frenzy of vengeance.

What the father hath hid cometh out in the son; and oft have I found in the son the father's revealed secret.

Inspired ones they resemble: but it is not the heart that inspireth them—but vengeance. And when they become subtle and cold, it is not spirit, but envy, that maketh them so.

Their jealousy leadeth them also into thinkers' paths; and this is the sign of their jealousy—they always go too far: so that their fatigue hath at last to go to sleep on the snow.

In all their lamentations soundeth vengeance, in all their eulogies is maleficence; and being judge seemeth to them bliss.

But thus do I counsel you, my friends: distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful!

They are people of bad race and lineage; out of their countenances peer the hangman and the sleuth-hound.

Distrust all those who talk much of their justice! Verily, in their souls not only honey is lacking.

And when they call themselves "the good and just," forget not, that for them to be Pharisees, nothing is lacking but—power!

[Anonymous No.15721771]

"bagaga boo booo do a little dooddiee dooo"
- niggszie

[Anonymous No.15721774]

>>15720587
I agree with your point about the Copernican Revolution being inevitable but why would the Lutheran Revolution not also have been inevitable?

>>15721135
If Luther had not existed, someone else would've broken up the Catholic Church, which was already hopelessly corrupt, exploitative (indulgences), and hypocritical.

[Anonymous No.15721773]

>>15721769
My friends, I will not be mixed up and confounded with others.

There are those who preach my doctrine of life, and are at the same time preachers of equality, and tarantulas.

That they speak in favour of life, though they sit in their den, these poison-spiders, and withdrawn from life—is because they would thereby do injury.

To those would they thereby do injury who have power at present: for with those the preaching of death is still most at home.

Were it otherwise, then would the tarantulas teach otherwise: and they themselves were formerly the best world-maligners and heretic-burners.

With these preachers of equality will I not be mixed up and confounded. For thus speaketh justice unto me: "Men are not equal."

And neither shall they become so! What would be my love to the Superman, if I spake otherwise?

On a thousand bridges and piers shall they throng to the future, and always shall there be more war and inequality among them: thus doth my great love make me speak!

Inventors of figures and phantoms shall they be in their hostilities; and with those figures and phantoms shall they yet fight with each other the supreme fight!

Good and evil, and rich and poor, and high and low, and all names of values: weapons shall they be, and sounding signs, that life must again and again surpass itself!

Aloft will it build itself with columns and stairs—life itself into remote distances would it gaze, and out towards blissful beauties- therefore doth it require elevation!

And because it requireth elevation, therefore doth it require steps, and variance of steps and climbers! To rise striveth life, and in rising to surpass itself.

And just behold, my friends! Here where the tarantula's den is, riseth aloft an ancient temple's ruins—just behold it with enlightened eyes!

Verily, he who here towered aloft his thoughts in stone, knew as well as the wisest ones about the secret of life!

That there is struggle and inequality even in beauty, and war for power and supremacy: that doth he here teach us in the plainest parable.

How divinely do vault and arch here contrast in the struggle: how with light and shade they strive against each other, the divinely striving ones.—

Thus, steadfast and beautiful, let us also be enemies, my friends! Divinely will we strive against one another!—

Alas! There hath the tarantula bit me myself, mine old enemy! Divinely steadfast and beautiful, it hath bit me on the finger!

"Punishment must there be, and justice"—so thinketh it: "not gratuitously shall he here sing songs in honour of enmity!"

Yea, it hath revenged itself! And alas! now will it make my soul also dizzy with revenge!

That I may not turn dizzy, however, bind me fast, my friends, to this pillar! Rather will I be a pillar-saint than a whirl of vengeance!

Verily, no cyclone or whirlwind is Zarathustra: and if he be a dancer, he is not at all a tarantula-dancer!—

Thus spake Zarathustra.

[Anonymous No.15721798]

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- Eward Nietsaleche

[Anonymous No.15721806]

>>15721769
>>15721773
If he lived today he'd be blogging on DeviantArt
Truly before his time

[Anonymous No.15721844]

>>15720989
>dude god is real enough in your head, that's all that matters
How is this not the root of modernity?

[Anonymous No.15722563]

>>15721430
Prove him wrong. You can't.

[Anonymous No.15722572]

>>15721391
>Peter sins
>Jesus forgives him
>Catholics sin
>YOU ARE SERVANTS OF DEVIL

[Anonymous No.15722637]

>>15717537
If I could go back in time and kill somenone while he was still a baby it will hands down be Hegel

[Murphy's law No.15722661]

>>15717537
You wish. More like a billion agendas that were poorly planned, underfunded with little or no cohesive direction that brought us to the spit and duct tape civilization you see before you.

He only noticed the aimlessness of the social cohesion offered. He did not however bring the idea of nilihism to it's ultimate conclusion.

Nothing
Really
Matters

Now depending on who you are, that statement can mean a lot. It can mean you can sit and sulk about things or you can understand that nothing really matters, which means anything is possible if you shove your will into completing a task. Goes way smoother if you are polite.

[Anonymous No.15722689]

>>15722661
>nothing really matters, which means anything is possible
i want to punch your teeth down your stupid faggot teenage throat. i want to make a huge pile of every last fucking half-clever pudknocker who regurgitates this motivational poster shit and light you all the fuck on fire and then piss on the fire

[Anonymous No.15722720]

>>15717603
It's pronounced Neetch-ay

[Anonymous No.15723995]

>>15722689
uh oh somebody's pissy about their shitty lot in life :^)

[Anonymous No.15724015]

>>15719033
Kill yourself, and then go back to .Reddit

[Anonymous No.15724028]

>>15721641
I want to torture you endlessly.

[Anonymous No.15724072]

>>15721135
>>15721189
>>15721263
What do I do if I want to be Catholic because it's the true Christian religion and my family/friends are all Catholic, but I also don't agree with indulgences/sending church money to transsexual hookers/kissing the feet of blacks/etc.? I know I could claim to be sedavancinist, but I feel like saying "I'm a sedavancinist pre 16th century" is a bit bullshit.

[Anonymous No.15724088]

>>15722661
Do you want me to tell you how I know you've never read Nietzsche?

[Anonymous No.15724987]

>>15724015
No sir I enjoy the discourse and recommendations of 4chan.org/lit/ too much to leave. In fact it is you who should kill yourself, for if a "reddit" is an indicator of poor quality posts you have "reddit" in spades.

[Anonymous No.15725016]

>>15717575
Where can I read that essay?

[Anonymous No.15725106]

>>15717537
Thank you based pants-shitter.

[Anonymous No.15725259]

>>15722661

[Anonymous No.15725314]

>>15721159
Jesus admonished the disciples to not pray in public; but instead to pray in secluded rooms, to not let their right hand know that which their left had was doing, to give alms in secret, etc. The faith was "privatized" from the beginning.

[Anonymous No.15726155]

>>15717575
>>15717603
>You should really be blaming Martin Luther and Copernicus.

Cringe, there is no one person to blame. I'll repeat it again

THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION AND ITS CONSEQUENCES HAVE BEEN A DISASTER FOR THE HUMAN RACE

[Anonymous No.15726172]

>>15726155

buy chainlink

[Anonymous No.15726182]

>>15717537
He **warned** us of the secular, globohomo hell-hole.

[Anonymous No.15727632]

>>15717603
Imagine being so retard to think one, a few, or even a whole race is responsible for late stage Capitalism.

[Anonymous No.15727699]

>>15721660
>Martin Luther was actually inspired by St. Augustine and the early church.
No. He barely even understood the context under which St. Augustine was writing his responses against Pelagianism. Look up De libero arbitro and see if Luther can unironically say he's inspired by Augustine when he's literally going against St. Augustine's own fucking teachings, let alone that of the other Church Fathers and the Early Church. Again, just like Luther removed 7 books of the OT which had more Catholic theological teachings than he likes and was going to remove James for a similar reason, he basically picked and choose what he liked for political and personal reasons, not any grand divine revelation.

>>15724072
Become Orthodox then.

>>15725314
He also said that he came to fulfill the Law not to overturn it. Thus, all the Tradition, Sacred Scripture and priestly lineages of the Old Jewish faith are still valid in the Church, but they are fully realized by the mystery of Jesus' Incarnation, Crucifixion and Resurrection. That passage is telling the faithful to not use their faith as a point of boasting, which many do fail to follow admittedly.

[Anonymous No.15727719]

>>15717537
Why do so many people on this site not understand nietzche
Everyday i see retarded and completely uneducated takes on him

[Anonymous No.15728001]

>>15727632
>Imagine being so retard
Don't have to; you're doing a fine job here.

[Anonymous No.15728050]

>>15726172
Based and schizo pilled

[Anonymous No.15728186]

>>15725016
Here
http://users.belgacom.net/wagnerlibrary/prose/wagmodern.htm

[Anonymous No.15729058]

>>15722572
Well im not Jesus, i dont forgive!

[Anonymous No.15729324]

>>15717603
>copernicus
what did copernicus do? didn't he just suggest that we consider the sun as the center of the universe? this is good. religion doesn't have to be anti-science, and being in a thread about a philosopher you should be able to see how religion and science occupy two different spaces. sure old, traditional religions had teachings that contradicted what we could learn from science, but that doesn't have to be the case. The important parts of religion are all the parts about moral and metaphysical stuff that we can know nothing about from a secular perspective. The teachings contradicting science can be and should be thrown out and instead science, knowledge, and intellectualism should be encouraged by religion so we can build a society of smart people. Religion never really was completely opposed to science anyways and most science got by just fine under the Church's rule. It was just some that directly contradicted Church teachings, and religious leaders just did awfully poor jobs at reconciling what science found with all their backwards teachings and just declared them as heresy, leading to the modern idea religion and science are necessarily opposed. Blame the retards in charge of the Church, not copernicus.

[Anonymous No.15729371]

>>15727719
Even people back then were not understanding him, so it's not surprising.

[Anonymous No.15729624]

>>15726182
He didn't warn us, he diagnosed it. It was up to us to warn ourselves

[Anonymous No.15729912]

>>15721634
>hardware limits in computing at the molecular level.
What do that means