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Is he at all reconcilable with Plato?

>> No.15701548

>>15701524
No, Nietzsche is Thrasymachus or Callicles.

>> No.15701557

>>15701548
So a Platonist would have no use for the writings of Nietzsche, except as criticism?

>> No.15701560

>>15701524
Fuck he looks good on that picture

>> No.15701602

>>15701557
a real Platonist would approach Nietzsche, like everything else, in good faith with an open mind

>> No.15701682

>>15701524
Will to Power is just Eternal Return Nietzsche is reversed Platonism desu

>> No.15701718

>>15701524
have you read any of them?
Also, nietzschean antiplatonism is, in fact, anti plotinism. Land's nietzsche is most antiplatonic than nietzsche.

>> No.15701742

>>15701718
I’ve read a bit of the Greeks, and Plato’s really grooving on me. I wouldn’t say I’m well read in the classics, though.

>> No.15702153

>>15701548
>No, Nietzsche is Thrasymachus or Callicles
when i read plato's republic, i found myself agreeing with thrasymachus

>> No.15702184

>>15701524
Reality is not reconcilable with Plato

>> No.15702214

>>15701524
The beauty of nietzsche is that you can read all of philosophy through his lense and make your own interpretation. He does not refute anything, he just changes the perspective. He is the best surrogate dad I have ever had. I owe him 1/10th of my personality. He cured my vanity

>> No.15702218

>>15702184
Says the tranny

>> No.15702222

>>15701524
>reconcilable
read hegel's preface to PoS

>> No.15702321

>>15702184
based

>> No.15702432

>>15702184
Abhorrent post

>> No.15703123

>>15702153
I found him more honest and likeable than socrates

>> No.15703337

>>15702153
>>15703123
childhood is agreeing with thrasymachus. Adulthood is realizing Socrates has a far more complex, engaging and ultimately correct argument to make.

>>15702214
imagine believing this

>> No.15703350

>>15701524
>Is he at all reconcilable with Plato?
I think Heidegger shows that he is, just the Platonic side of Nietzsche that Nietzsche consciously rejected but unconsciously was a great sentimentality.

>> No.15704788

>>15703337
Thrasymachus is practicality and Socrates is virtue. I should be more of a Socrates than I am.

>> No.15704832

Early and Mad Nietzsche is entirely Eleusinian and Platonic through and through against his own will.
It's only the Wagner dismayed Nietzsche that is a bit disingenuous.

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15704965

Entirely.

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>>15704965
Plato tells of the Guardians to willingly re-entering the Cave after some period.
And in the Myth of Er and Phaedrus he speaks of a descent from heaven after a thousand years up to ten thousand years.
And as Parmenides reveals:
It is all one to me where I begin; for I shall come back again there.

>> No.15705064

he and plato share the same un-belief in the "being". they are both "anti-mystic".
but the main difference remains.
for plato, truth = categories (the cat, the table, the wall, the sky), while perception = flasehood. plato is a rationalist.
for nietzsche, truth = perception, while categories = not exactly flasehood but rather poetic creations. nietzsche is a sui generis phenomenalist (he calls this: perspectivism).

>> No.15705075

>>15702184
Good as a post, but that's about it.

>> No.15705081

>>15705075
No, it's not. It's terrible and I actually like most of her posts.

>> No.15705204

>>15702184

This

>> No.15705259

>>15705064
I disagree. While Plato does have an un-belief in the unitive nature of being, being is ultimately realized through an understanding of a transcendent God, i.e. theologically, and possibly mystically. I haven't read Nietzsche so I can't comment too directly on his thought but I'm pretty sure he directly contradicts this.

>> No.15705268

>>15705259
Nietzsche's famous quote about there being no truth is directly in contradiction to the Forms.

>> No.15705301

>>15705081
It's very good. It will collect replies, and one of the repliers might be retarded enough to start a meaningful discussion around her claim.

>> No.15705399

>>15705259
>transcendent God
no such a thing in plato, christcuck.
plato is not plotinus. the demiurge is
1. not transcendent
2. not the creator of the ideas
3. a myth, like that of the cave or the ball-men.

>> No.15705483

>>15705399
The demiurge must necessarily be transcendent if it is to be eternal in regards to Plato's understanding of the relationship between Concept and Eternity.

>> No.15705486

>>15705483
The Euthyphro dilemma disproves the necessity of any deities.

>> No.15705566

>>15705483
that's your christcuckish interpretation. the traditional interpretation is that of the stoics (btw the stoa was and is the only legit heir of the athenian accademy) : the demiurge is the logos-nous, the rational, regular, logical structure of the universe.

>> No.15705734

Plato says nothing original. All platonists (middle and neoplatonists) explicitly wrote this and pointed that they themselves were not original as well. But we need to keep telling people on this board about it since nobody here is concerned with truth. Specially dumb posters like >>15702184, who is the archetype of /lit/poster. She worships a flat earther and thinks she has a say about what is Reality.

>> No.15705744

>>15705399
Have you read timaeus? Yes of course not, otherwise you wouldn’t make a blatantly dumb post

>> No.15705781

>>15702184
holy shit, first time you've made a commendable post. now you can kys

>> No.15705855

>>15705744
i was translating his dialogues in high school when you amerimutt were taking gender equality and comics culture lessons.

>> No.15705876

You can read Plato as a perspectivist.

>> No.15705894

>>15702184
But the übermensch and othet neechean nonsense is? LMAO

>> No.15705898

>>15705064
>Plato
>not mystical
kek

>> No.15705900

>>15705855
yikes, your situation is worse than i thought. hope you manage to get out of it somehow, anon

>> No.15705905

>>15705064
can this board become dumber?

>> No.15705908

>>15702153
I found the entire debate to be pointless semantics.

>> No.15705912

>>15702184
I really want you dead, you know that?